JLA vs Brute Squad

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1.DoS DD won't solo this, I am not sure who would win between him and Superman, but I also don't see any other from JLA who would be able to take him. Similar with Lobo and Hulk. Only Superman has a chance to match them.

2.List of the strongest in JLA: Superman, Hal Jordan, Martian, WW, Aquaman and IS Batman.

List of brutes: Lobo/Hulk, DoS DD, Elling, Abomination, She-Hulk, Thing. I am not sure which Grundy is this. But if this is Grundy from his mini, I would put him around Abomination level.

Ergo:

DoS DD vs Superman - Superman, but later than sooner.

Lobo vs Hal - hard to decide.

WB/Mindless Hulk vs Martian - depends how Martian will try slow him down, but if he will turn intangilbe, Hulk will just smash his friends. Martian will lose if he won't phase through Hulk.

Elling vs. WW - I am not Elling's expert, IMO he is overrated. But if we have any "strong" version of Grundy, they should be able to win with her as a team. After all Despero is controlling them.

Thing can take both: Aquaman and Batmanin the same time, starting with good thunderclap.

Ergo, Abomination and She-Hulk are free. And their help will distract heroes, a specially Hal.

Personally, I don't see JLA taking DoS DD, Lobo and bloodlusted Hulk in the same time. Mindless Hulk is almost immune to any damage...

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#102  Edited By bigcimmerian

Batman solos, guess why? Cause he's Batman.

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The more I think about this, If Doomsday is here and the JLA fights in character, the "brutes" will win. He can't be quickly defeated, even by Superman and Eiling, Hulk & Lobo can go-mano-a-mano with any of the others and win in a purely physical fight. The others are insurance.

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The brutes due to greater numbers would win although it would be a good fight.

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This is DoS Doomsday?

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#106  Edited By cfrehse

brutes! in a great fight. Bats and aquaman are outclased. All the brutes except thing pretty much have regen. Manhunter and supes gotta pull of a miracle to win this one

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JLA: Aquaman, Hal Jordan, Batman w/ Insider Suit, Martian Manhunter, Superman, Wonder Woman

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Brute Squad: Abomination, DoS Doomsday, General Eiling, Hulk, Lobo, She-Hulk, Solomon Grundy, The Thing

Standard pre-52 versions of all characters.

Despero gathers a group of brutes to pound the Justice League into a bloody pulp. He mentally controls them into doing his bidding, and the fight is on.

Rules: Brutes are bloodlusted, JLA is in-character. TP wont work on Brutes because of the mental control from Despero. No prep, no BFR. Win by KO or death (single death for Doomsday).

Who wins?

Batman isn't doing crap with or without the Insider suit. He will at best be an annoyance to one of the lesser bricks, but he the suit doesn't give him the durability to take a punch from anyone else here (including his own teammates) and it has a crappy battery. This matchup depends upon the environment. In a crowded, small environment (like say, the JLA satellite) the brutes would have the advantage in that they would force the JLA into hand to hand combat without the advantage of some of their other abilities (no swooping down at super speed without the risk of massive property damage and accidentally killing Batman, nor massive energy blasts without the chance of accidentally taking down a fellow teammate)). In a crowded city, it would be even worse for the JLA as they would constantly be trying to save people. In a giant open field or on a open beach near the ocean, however, they would hold a massive advantage. They could maneuver, zipping in at impossible speeds and blitzing the crap out of the brutes. Knocking a brute into the ocean would give Aquaman the chance to speedblitz too.

Oh, and what people don't seem to realize is Aquaman is strong enough to handle any member of the brute team, at least for a short time. In straight up hand to hand he could potentially take The Thing, She-Hulk, Abomination or the weaker versions of Hulk/ Grundy. However, this image of Aquaman is the waterbearer hand Aquaman... who can quite possibly one shot anyone here save Doomsday (who is almost completely solid) and the maybe the Thing (who is made of rock... that is organic?) by siphoning the water from their bodies. With the magical hydrokinesis granted by his water hand Aquaman is actually going to be very dangerous for almost any of the brute team to challenge. Granted, the members with the fastest healing factors might get back up again, but they will be knocked down for a short period, enough to be finished off or for Aquaman to move on to another target.

As for who wins between these two teams... like I said, depends upon where the fight takes place. Although, if the JLA team starts on one side and the brute team starts on the other, the JLA team could just go all out right away and blast the brutes with all they had. All but the strongest would fall, then the JLA team could swoop in and take the brutes down via team coordination and super speed.

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#108  Edited By Ancient_0f_Days

Half of the Brute squad can't even touch most of the JLA roster due to lack of speed, flight or the power necessary to actually be a threat....

Hulk, Abomination, She-Hulk, Thing and Grundy ain't touchin MM, GL, SM or WW. They definitely are not touching Martian Manhunter for obvious reasons including but not limited to; intangibility, invisibility, super speed, flight, shape shifting, telekinesis, etc ... They aren't touching Hal for basically all of those reasons besides telekinesis...constructs basically can do the same or similar things but he can also teleport himself, so those guys definitely aren't going to lay a finger on him. They ain't touchin Superman for similar reasons such as speed, flight and he can make himself intangible and invisible by manipulating the speed of his molecules, the intangibility has been proven to work on Doomsday Rex. They aren't touching Wonder Woman due to speed and flight, also she has unbreakable bracers that make an Aegis when crossed which can block virtually anything and if they get caught in the lasso its almost a done deal from there .....

Lobo, Eiling and Doomsday are the only threats and individual members can take them on, Hal has incapacitated Lobo before, Martian Manhunter can definitely outfight General Eiling better than the rest can, Wonder Woman and Superman have individually given Doomsday a good fight but together there's no reason why they shouldn't beat him especially if it is either DOS or Rex Doomsday. Alternatively, Clark and Diana can just blitz the crap out of Eiling like they did in the comic and KO him, Lobo really can't beat Martian Manhunter without prep if he tried his very hardest, Hal could keep Doomsday at bay until Superman and Wonder Woman got done blitzing Eiling .... besides them, no one else really poses too much of a threat besides Hulk.

Depending on the incarnation, Grundy can get beaten by either Batman or Aquaman, but assuming he's not at his weakest or even slightly weak he'd probably still lose to Aquaman due to his greater speed, comparable strength and magic nullifying waterhand which would wreak havoc on Grundy since he's magic based and gives Arthur precog and regeneration among other things....She-Hulk and Thing probably would lose to Aquaman too due to the waterhand's regen, precog, strength bonus, and water manipulation. Not to mention that it can almost instantly undo mutations like it did with Black Manta.

Batman.....well as long as he has energy he can survive as long as he needs to but he wont be doing any real damage...

JLA probably win 7/10