#1 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

ok, no fancy one on one battles anymore... time for the big fight...

The JLA at their height...

team up as pictured

VS

========

Team up as pictured, Jenny Sparks included

Check the character listings out first...

JLA

===

Superman

http://www.comicvine.com/superman/1807/

Batman

http://www.comicvine.com/batman/1699/

Wonder Woman

http://www.comicvine.com/wonder-woman/2048/

Green Lantern

http://www.comicvine.com/green-lantern/41148/

Aquaman

http://www.comicvine.com/aquaman/2357/

Martian Manhunter

http://www.comicvine.com/martian-manhunter/2047/

Wally West

http://www.comicvine.com/wally-west/23879/

VS

Apollo

http://www.comicvine.com/apollo/2197/

Doctor

http://www.comicvine.com/doctor/2201/

Engineer

http://www.comicvine.com/engineer/17607/

Jack

http://www.comicvine.com/jack-hawksmoor/2194/

Jenny

http://www.comicvine.com/jenny-sparks/2203/

Midnighter

http://www.comicvine.com/midnighter/2196/

swift

http://www.comicvine.com/swift/6021/

as usual, check out the character listings first and use your common sense...

M

#2 Posted by Buckshot (18913 posts) - - Show Bio

At first I though that the JLA had it easily. None of the Authority has the speed to avoid the speedblitz of Flash, Superman, Martian Manhunter and Wonder Woman. But, Baby Jenny has autoshields that I'm sure would protect her and Jeroen could bring himself back to life like the renegade Doc did and then protect himself. If these two live, then the battle could almost restart. Jeroen could bring the others back to life as well as slow time to kill the JLA's speed advantage or just stop it altogether (he did that before but it was difficult so maybe not). I don't know what Jenny Q would do other than just blast energy, but that could hurt the weaker JLA members. Jeroen could split the JLA up, sending them to other dimensions so the Authority could take them out one at a time. Martian Manhunter could be the most dangerous since the team has only basic psychic protection, but if they had a chance, between Jeroen and Engineer they could probably beef it up. I don't know, I'll come back again.

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#3 Posted by the creator (8560 posts) - - Show Bio

All of the JLA brains (to my knowledge) still work on electrical impusles.

Jenny Q can in theory disrupt these impulses (as her predessor could).

Buckshot makes a good point about the Doctor bringing himself back from the dead but this Doctor is a Hindu (I think) and as such it is highly unlikely that he would break this tenet. I can see him being taken out by the Flash or Superman.

Martian Manhunter may be able to telepathically attack the Doctor anyway to neutralise his involvement because I don't think that the Doctor is resistant to this type of attack.

Although the Midnighter can run the battle simulation a million times before the first punch, how can he overcome beings who can move so much faster than him - the limits of his body render any attack/defence he may be able to use meaningless - he does not have the speed or strength to really impact Superman, Flash, WOnder Woman or Martian Manhunter.

As per previous discussions, I don't see GL losing to the Engineer. She could be the thorn in everyones side with the possible exception of Supernman and Martain Manhunter (the formers force field renders him immune to her nanobot attacks while the latters shapeshifting ability might act to counteract her nanobots).

Apollo, Swift Jack and Midnighter would likely go down first, along with Batman and Aquaman.

Wonder Woman or the Flash may soon follow.

The wild cards here are the Doctor and Jenny Q.

If I am right about the Doctors beliefs, then that brings up just Jenny Q.

Here energy control powers are meant to be a magnitude greater than Jenny Sparks.

So in theory she can control greater varieties of energy and smaller/larger amounts. She has teleported before as well and shown other weird matter/energy powers.

Could she manipulate GL's energy. It has been done by others in the past but he try to resist her.

However she still has some human frailities and a telepathic attack with multiple super speed attacks may be enough to finish her.

So I am still picking the JLA for the win but with some of the variables mentioned, it may not be so simple.

#4 Posted by Buckshot (18913 posts) - - Show Bio

The_Creator says:

"All of the JLA brains (to my knowledge) still work on electrical impusles.Jenny Q can in theory disrupt these impulses (as her predessor could).Buckshot makes a good point about the Doctor bringing himself back from the dead but this Doctor is a Hindu (I think) and as such it is highly unlikely that he would break this tenet. I can see him being taken out by the Flash or Superman.Martian Manhunter may be able to telepathically attack the Doctor anyway to neutralise his involvement because I don't think that the Doctor is resistant to this type of attack.Although the Midnighter can run the battle simulation a million times before the first punch, how can he overcome beings who can move so much faster than him - the limits of his body render any attack/defence he may be able to use meaningless - he does not have the speed or strength to really impact Superman, Flash, WOnder Woman or Martian Manhunter.As per previous discussions, I don't see GL losing to the Engineer. She could be the thorn in everyones side with the possible exception of Supernman and Martain Manhunter (the formers force field renders him immune to her nanobot attacks while the latters shapeshifting ability might act to counteract her nanobots).Apollo, Swift Jack and Midnighter would likely go down first, along with Batman and Aquaman.Wonder Woman or the Flash may soon follow.The wild cards here are the Doctor and Jenny Q.If I am right about the Doctors beliefs, then that brings up just Jenny Q.Here energy control powers are meant to be a magnitude greater than Jenny Sparks.So in theory she can control greater varieties of energy and smaller/larger amounts. She has teleported before as well and shown other weird matter/energy powers.Could she manipulate GL's energy. It has been done by others in the past but he try to resist her.However she still has some human frailities and a telepathic attack with multiple super speed attacks may be enough to finish her.So I am still picking the JLA for the win but with some of the variables mentioned, it may not be so simple."

There are only a couple places where I disagree with you. First, the Doctor coming back to life. The pictured Doctor is Jeroen, not Habib, so he's not Hindu. And when he did die (killed by the spirit of Murder) he said he wanted to come back to life so I think he'd try it or it would happen automatically because of a sense of self preservation like it did with the Renegade Doc. (The reason he couldn't was because another Doctor had been chosen.) I was thinking before that Martian Manhunter's psychic abilities would be hard to get around, but Jeroen has broken free of the control of a man who had mental control over much of the world's population. He wasn't able to do this on his own, but with the help of previous Doctors in the garden. I think if he knew about it before the attack he could prevent it, but caught unawares he would waste time fighting the attack and probably be vulnerable to attack (unless he makes himself indestructible or something). With the Doctor alive for the fight, the Authority can win.

I'm thinking about how the other members of the Authority can do damage (provided of course either Jenny Q or Jeroen are protecting them). Jack Hawksmoor could suck people into the ground which could potentially kill Flash. If the street beneath him suddenly turns immaterial he would go under and would probably die (he does casually run through walls though so maybe not) when it solidifies. From examples I've read, it works like Kitty Pryde's phasing ability, so getting stuck is fatal. And how strong is a sentient city? Getting hit by millions of tons of concrete and steel is bound to knock even Superman for a loop (if he can hit of course). Midnighter could get isolated with Batman, Swift is pretty much useless as usual, The Doctor or Jenny Q could supercharge Apollo, or either one could probably drain Superman in the same way, either Jenny could affect the JLA's brains as was mentioned, and the Engineer could keep Kyle out of the fight even if she can't beat him (I see a stalemate until one side gets back up), or possibly cut Martian Manhunter apart atom by atom which would take care of (in my opinion) the JLA's most dangerous member. The Doctor and Jenny Q (even as a baby) are reality warpers though so if they're alive they would do most of the work.


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#5 Posted by the creator (8560 posts) - - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"The_Creator says:
"All of the JLA brains (to my knowledge) still work on electrical impusles. Jenny Q can in theory disrupt these impulses (as her predessor could). Buckshot makes a good point about the Doctor bringing himself back from the dead but this Doctor is a Hindu (I think) and as such it is highly unlikely that he would break this tenet. I can see him being taken out by the Flash or Superman. Martian Manhunter may be able to telepathically attack the Doctor anyway to neutralise his involvement because I don't think that the Doctor is resistant to this type of attack. Although the Midnighter can run the battle simulation a million times before the first punch, how can he overcome beings who can move so much faster than him - the limits of his body render any attack/defence he may be able to use meaningless - he does not have the speed or strength to really impact Superman, Flash, WOnder Woman or Martian Manhunter. As per previous discussions, I don't see GL losing to the Engineer. She could be the thorn in everyones side with the possible exception of Supernman and Martain Manhunter (the formers force field renders him immune to her nanobot attacks while the latters shapeshifting ability might act to counteract her nanobots). Apollo, Swift Jack and Midnighter would likely go down first, along with Batman and Aquaman. Wonder Woman or the Flash may soon follow. The wild cards here are the Doctor and Jenny Q. If I am right about the Doctors beliefs, then that brings up just Jenny Q. Here energy control powers are meant to be a magnitude greater than Jenny Sparks. So in theory she can control greater varieties of energy and smaller/larger amounts. She has teleported before as well and shown other weird matter/energy powers. Could she manipulate GL's energy. It has been done by others in the past but he try to resist her. However she still has some human frailities and a telepathic attack with multiple super speed attacks may be enough to finish her. So I am still picking the JLA for the win but with some of the variables mentioned, it may not be so simple. "
There are only a couple places where I disagree with you. First, the Doctor coming back to life. The pictured Doctor is Jeroen, not Habib, so he's not Hindu. And when he *did* die (killed by the spirit of Murder) he said he wanted to come back to life so I think he'd try it or it would happen automatically because of a sense of self preservation like it did with the Renegade Doc. (The reason he couldn't was because another Doctor had been chosen.) I was thinking before that Martian Manhunter's psychic abilities would be hard to get around, but Jeroen has broken free of the control of a man who had mental control over much of the world's population. He wasn't able to do this on his own, but with the help of previous Doctors in the garden. I think if he knew about it before the attack he could prevent it, but caught unawares he would waste time fighting the attack and probably be vulnerable to attack (unless he makes himself indestructible or something). With the Doctor alive for the fight, the Authority can win. I'm thinking about how the other members of the Authority can do damage (provided of course either Jenny Q or Jeroen are protecting them). Jack Hawksmoor could suck people into the ground which could potentially kill Flash. If the street beneath him suddenly turns immaterial he would go under and would probably die when it solidifies. (From examples I've read, it works like Kitty Pryde's phasing ability, so getting stuck is fatal.) And how strong is a sentient city? Getting hit by millions of tons of concrete and steel is bound to knock even Superman for a loop (if he can hit of course). Midnighter could get isolated with Batman, Swift is pretty much useless as usual, The Doctor or Jenny Q could supercharge Apollo, or either one could probably drain Superman in the same way, either Jenny could affect the JLA's brains as was mentioned, and the Engineer could keep Kyle out of the fight even if she can't beat him (I see a stalemate until one side gets back up), or possibly cut Martian Manhunter apart atom by atom which would take care of (in my opinion) the JLA's most dangerous member. The Doctor and Jenny Q (even as a baby) are reality warpers though so if they're alive they would do most of the work. "

Your right about the Doctor - sorry, just thinking about current lineup without referencing the picture above.

I don' think that Flash would be sucked in to the ground or so easily caught, as unless the city can react at his speed level he can move around the obstacle - hell he could even air walk his way to safety.

I agree, if the Doctor is alive, the fight can be won. He and Jenny are the wold cards.

Their power is such that thay can have a dramatic impact on the battle but if all the Authourity are dead or KO, even for 20 secs is that still a win.

If it is a win, then Flash should be able to kill pretty much the entire Authority team (exception of Jenny Q, the Engineer and possibly Apollo) prior to the first though by most of the Authority. This combined with a telepathic attack from M and super speed attacks from Supes, WW and MM might win it.

Could the Supes, WW and MM kill / KO Jenny Q, the Engineer and Apollo ?

If yes then we may have a short win, before the Doctor comes back.

#6 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - - Show Bio

it all seemed so interesting at first but then it just comes down to the reality warpers... the doctor can always come back right? if he can, then his team wins.

#7 Posted by Buckshot (18913 posts) - - Show Bio

The_Creator says:

"Your right about the Doctor - sorry, just thinking about current lineup without referencing the picture above.I don' think that Flash would be sucked in to the ground or so easily caught, as unless the city can react at his speed level he can move around the obstacle - hell he could even air walk his way to safety.I agree, if the Doctor is alive, the fight can be won. He and Jenny are the wold cards.Their power is such that thay can have a dramatic impact on the battle but if all the Authourity are dead or KO, even for 20 secs is that still a win.If it is a win, then Flash should be able to kill pretty much the entire Authority team (exception of Jenny Q, the Engineer and possibly Apollo) prior to the first though by most of the Authority. This combined with a telepathic attack from M and super speed attacks from Supes, WW and MM might win it.Could the Supes, WW and MM kill / KO Jenny Q, the Engineer and Apollo ?If yes then we may have a short win, before the Doctor comes back."

Have you seen the fight between the Renegade Doctor and The Authority? I think that's one of the best examples of his power and what he can do if he isn't being written down (and even then he was being written down just so The Authority wouldn't die in the first picosecond of the fight). When he was killed he wasn't even slowed down for 1 second, let alone 20. He was talking and insulting them while he brought his body back together after being exploded by Swift, and later when he was fighting in the sun, Apollo punched his brains out of his head and he was still fighting back (and winning). His time manipulation alone could win the fight. He could travel to when the JLA members were born and kill them all as children, he could raise them as his kids and have more heroes for The Authority, he could stretch one second to infinity and give the Authority all the time they needed. I don't know if they could take the three you mentioned. They all have very impressive feats when it comes to their durability/defenses. Jenny for instance threw up a bubble that contained the explosion of a universe, and though she's not fast, she has some sort of extra awareness that activates her powers to protect her (and her teammates on occasion) when she's in danger even if she doesn't consciously choose to do so. Her autoshields could counteract the JLA's MAJOR speed advantage and buy The Authority time to act.

Apparition says:

"it all seemed so interesting at first but then it just comes down to the reality warpers... the doctor can always come back right? if he can, then his team wins."

And without the reality warpers it just comes down to the speedsters.

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#8 Posted by Buckshot (18913 posts) - - Show Bio

I think this is a very cool picture.

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#9 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"Apparition says:
"it all seemed so interesting at first but then it just comes down to the reality warpers... the doctor can always come back right? if he can, then his team wins."
And without the reality warpers it just comes down to the speedsters. "

youre right it always does seem to work out that way.

Buckshot says:

"I think this is a very cool picture.
" />http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs12/i/2006/303/1/4/JLA_vs__The_Authority_by_genekelly.jpg"

wow... did you just start looking for that, inspired by this battle, or did you make that?

#10 Posted by Buckshot (18913 posts) - - Show Bio

Found it. Wish I could say I made it.

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#11 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - - Show Bio

either way it's awesome.

#12 Posted by glforthewin (2355 posts) - - Show Bio

the doctor would win it for them but it would be a challenge for him

#13 Posted by Stormultt (5317 posts) - - Show Bio
@Methos said:
"

ok, no fancy one on one battles anymore... time for the big fight...

The JLA at their height...

team up as pictured

VS

========

Team up as pictured, Jenny Sparks included

Check the character listings out first...

JLA

===

Superman

http://www.comicvine.com/superman/1807/

Batman

http://www.comicvine.com/batman/1699/

Wonder Woman

http://www.comicvine.com/wonder-woman/2048/

Green Lantern

http://www.comicvine.com/green-lantern/41148/

Aquaman

http://www.comicvine.com/aquaman/2357/

Martian Manhunter

http://www.comicvine.com/martian-manhunter/2047/

Wally West

http://www.comicvine.com/wally-west/23879/

VS

Apollo

http://www.comicvine.com/apollo/2197/

Doctor

http://www.comicvine.com/doctor/2201/

Engineer

http://www.comicvine.com/engineer/17607/

Jack

http://www.comicvine.com/jack-hawksmoor/2194/

Jenny

http://www.comicvine.com/jenny-sparks/2203/

Midnighter

http://www.comicvine.com/midnighter/2196/

swift

http://www.comicvine.com/swift/6021/

as usual, check out the character listings first and use your common sense...

M

"

Wonder woman looks like a horrid susan boyle with hair :/