JLA Superman Batman Wonder Woman Aquaman Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) Martian Manhunter Flash (Barry Allen)
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F4 Mr. Fantastic Invisible Woman AND Human Torch Thing X Men Cyclops Jean Grey Beast Angel Iceman Professor X Avengers AND Captain America Ironman Wasp Ant-Man Hulk Thor
JLA vs Marvel Alliance
All have original powers 48 hrs prep No Morals on a 800 yard beach No one can fly higher than 500 feet in the air theres a piece of Kryptonite 40 miles under the ocean
Superman and Flash rush into the middle of the Marvel Alliance
Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, and Martian Manhunter have match ups that are equal to if not greater in strength or exploiting a weakness. Superman and Thor, Wonder Woman and Hulk, Batman and Captain America and Martian Manhunter and Human Torch. Now before you go saying MM can mindrape the torch, remember that the team has prep and Professor X doesn't have to match up with anybody. He could just sit back and keep Martian Manhunter from entering anybody's mind. So, if you have Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman and Martian Manhunter at least occupied the rest are in trouble. The Wildcard would be Flash. If Flash could get to Professor X then it could be trouble. However, like I said they have prep. Jean Grey's TK could be enough to keep Flash in stasis. With that I'm going with the Marvel team.
" Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, and Martian Manhunter have match ups that are equal to if not greater in strength or exploiting a weakness. Superman and Thor, Wonder Woman and Hulk, Batman and Captain America and Martian Manhunter and Human Torch. Now before you go saying MM can mindrape the torch, remember that the team has prep and Professor X doesn't have to match up with anybody. He could just sit back and keep Martian Manhunter from entering anybody's mind. So, if you have Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman and Martian Manhunter at least occupied the rest are in trouble. The Wildcard would be Flash. If Flash could get to Professor X then it could be trouble. However, like I said they have prep. Jean Grey's TK could be enough to keep Flash in stasis. With that I'm going with the Marvel team. "
Professer X would not be powerful enough to stop Martian Manhunter. Wonder Woman would own the Hulk. How are the rest in trouble? The only two left are Aquaman and oh yeah another powerhouse, possibly the most powerful, Green Lantern.
@EpitomeofCool: I didn't say Professor X would stop MM. I said he would shield the team versus MM's telepathy. As far a WW and Hulk; even if she beats Hulk, it ain't going to be a one hit fight, so she's tied up. And Aquaman and Green Lantern versus Cyclops, Jean Grey, Sue Storm, Iron Man, etc, etc. That's why they're in trouble. Only a complete fanboy is going to completely dismiss the power of these teams.
" Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, and Martian Manhunter have match ups that are equal to if not greater in strength or exploiting a weakness. Superman and Thor, Wonder Woman and Hulk, Batman and Captain America and Martian Manhunter and Human Torch. Now before you go saying MM can mindrape the torch, remember that the team has prep and Professor X doesn't have to match up with anybody. He could just sit back and keep Martian Manhunter from entering anybody's mind. So, if you have Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman and Martian Manhunter at least occupied the rest are in trouble. The Wildcard would be Flash. If Flash could get to Professor X then it could be trouble. However, like I said they have prep. Jean Grey's TK could be enough to keep Flash in stasis. With that I'm going with the Marvel team. "
" @EpitomeofCool: I didn't say Professor X would stop MM. I said he would shield the team versus MM's telepathy. As far a WW and Hulk; even if she beats Hulk, it ain't going to be a one hit fight, so she's tied up. And Aquaman and Green Lantern versus Cyclops, Jean Grey, Sue Storm, Iron Man, etc, etc. That's why they're in trouble. Only a complete fanboy is going to completely dismiss the power of these teams. "
@FinalStar86: You fail to realize, everyone is at original power levels. Also, even at full power JLA team won't just roll through. Solo, JLA could easily beat any of these teams. Together, especially with Reed Richards prepping, I don't see them winning.
" @FinalStar86: You fail to realize, everyone is at original power levels. Also, even at full power JLA team won't just roll through. Solo, JLA could easily beat any of these teams. Together, especially with Reed Richards prepping, I don't see them winning. "
Prep time is massively overrated, the reason why it works so well is because of plot. Most of team 2 are canon fodder anyway, characters like Iron Man and Cyclops would be killed instantly, the only one's that might last a few minutes are Hulk and Thor
Keep in mind the JLA have prep time also. That it helps either team much here
Nobody is going to instant kill anybody in this scenario. Prep is overrated, except in the case of masters of prep, like Richards and Batman. Iron Man nor Cyclops could beat Green Lantern, but together they at least pose a challenge. The strength of the Marvel team is the numbers. Also, Jean Grey is an Omega Level mutant, as is Professor X. Thing is strong enough to go at Aquaman, maybe not beat him, but enough to go toe to toe with him. Either you don't kow enough about the Marvel Team, or your dismissing them for your love of DC. This battle is all about the "cannon fodder", and Marvel's "cannon fodder" includes two omega level mutants, and Sue Storm who is arguably as powerful as an Omega level mutant.
" Nobody is going to instant kill anybody in this scenario. Prep is overrated, except in the case of masters of prep, like Richards and Batman. Iron Man nor Cyclops could beat Green Lantern, but together they at least pose a challenge. The strength of the Marvel team is the numbers. Also, Jean Grey is an Omega Level mutant, as is Professor X. Thing is strong enough to go at Aquaman, maybe not beat him, but enough to go toe to toe with him. Either you don't kow enough about the Marvel Team, or your dismissing them for your love of DC. This battle is all about the "cannon fodder", and Marvel's "cannon fodder" includes two omega level mutants, and Sue Storm who is arguably as powerful as an Omega level mutant. "
Prep time is overrated period..and the so called masters you mentioned ? Their practically the only one's that ever utilize prep time
Iron Man and Cyclops are not a challenge to Green Lantern, GL is a cosmic level being capable of leveling entire worlds, Cyclops is barely above street level and Iron Man is a mid tier character at best, GL would kill them instantly.
Strength in numbers would help the Marvel team, if their team actually had some impressive characters. Thor , Iceman and Sue are the only possible threats and they can be taken out by Supes or Flash alone.
You're the one that doesn't know enough about the DC team especially since you think Cyclops and Iron Man can challenge a freaking Green Lantern, not to mention one of the more powerful Lanterns. Two omega level mujtants? Iceman might be a threat but Jean is useless since Martian is a far superior telepath and GL can shield everyone from her and Xavier's telepathy.
Basically this fight is Iceman, Thor, and Sue vs GL, Supes, WW, Flash....the winner is obvious
Ok well when The JLA was formed Superman was destroying Solar Systems with Sneezes and Throwing collapsed stars around trillions of miles that weighed like 500 trillion tons and with the gravitational force of like 100 supernovas. Not to mention in Silver Age Superman had Mind Control and TK on occasion
" @FinalStar86: Was he? Alright. What kind of feats did Alan Scott have back then? "
The only notable feat that he had from the actual Golden Age was owning Doctor Fate. But since he is from Earth 2 all of his feats in the past 10-20 years are considered his Golden Age feats.
" @FinalStar86: I don't really know anything about him.
@Son_of_Magnus: No it isn't. It says all characters are at original power levels, not all teams. "
Basically Fate was the most powerful Golden Age hero [back then he was in the same ball park as the Spectre] and Scott defeated him. That would his most noteably feat chronologically speaking. Earth 2 is suppose to be DCU during the Golden Age where the JSA comes from ei Jay Garrick, Wildcat, Alan Scott. So basically, he's at the same levels now as he was during the Golden Age.
" @FinalStar86: Alright, sounds fair. Has he ever been defeated, and if so how? "
Yes in fact I was just thinking about this, If Reed actually has knowledge of Scott's weakness against plant matter/wood then he can probably whip something up easily with prep
Although I dont know if Alan has this weakness anymore or not, if he does I can see them taking him down. With him down the only credible threat would be GA Flash aka Jay Garrick, and I doubt he solo.
I dunno, this is original Iceman so he does have those snowballs and dope ass rain boots "
Aquaman with his water hand could just dehydrate him and knock him out.
Hal can create a bubble around him that he won't escape from, produce flames inside the bubble, deprive him of air which would lead to incapacitation, he turned Adam Strange from water back into a normal person so he could just melt Iceman, turn him into a human form and destroy him, etc.
If it was Wally, I could give better scenarios, but Barry hasn't displayed most of the things Wally had.
Then there's J'onn, Superman, and Wonder Woman who are all too fast, strong, durable to lose. J'onn can mentally shut him down, control him, make him think he's in his human form etc.
" Someone needs to keep the Flash rant ready for debates like these. Flash solos, Superman solos, Martian Manhunter solos, Green Lantern solos, WW and Bats almost solos, Aquaman sleeps. "
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