JLA (Original) vs F4(Original) X Men (Original)Avengers(Original) - Battles

#1 Edited by American Dragon (1146 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

JLA
                    Superman
                     Batman
                    Wonder Woman
                     Aquaman
                    Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)
                    Martian Manhunter
                    Flash (Barry Allen)

                                                                     vs

                                                                                                   F4
                                                                                                              Mr. Fantastic
                                                                                                               Invisible Woman
                                                        AND                                               Human Torch
                                                                                                                Thing
X Men
                              Cyclops
                               Jean Grey
                               Beast
                             Angel
                               Iceman
                            Professor X
                                                                                                    Avengers
                                                               AND                                                 Captain America
                                                                                                                         Ironman
                                                                                                                         Wasp
                                                                                                                         Ant-Man
                                                                                                                         Hulk
                                                                                                                         Thor

JLA vs Marvel Alliance

All have original powers
48 hrs prep
No Morals
on a 800 yard beach
No one can fly higher than 500 feet in the air
theres a piece of Kryptonite 40 miles under the ocean

Superman and Flash rush into the middle of the Marvel Alliance

the other members of the JLA are 5 minutes away

Who wins this battle of Iconic teams ???

#2 Posted by American Dragon (1146 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

No One

BUMP

#3 Posted by -Unseen- (1198 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

4 minute bump, A NEW RECORD !

Fight comes down to Aqua-Man and Ant-Man. I see Arthur edging it. Fish > Ants.

#4 Posted by FLCL1 (9581 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@-Unseen-:
havent seen you in a while

#5 Edited by -Unseen- (1198 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@FLCL1 said:

"@-Unseen-: havent seen you in a while "

Interesting choice of words...

#6 Posted by American Dragon (1146 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

One more Bump for the Originals

#7 Posted by Black Lantern Mar-vell (1488 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

JLA

#8 Posted by Fortanono (4890 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

X-Men.

#9 Posted by EpitomeofCool (2779 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

JLA easily.

#10 Posted by Night Thrasher (2722 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, and Martian Manhunter have match ups that are equal to if not greater in strength or exploiting a weakness. Superman and Thor, Wonder Woman and Hulk, Batman and Captain America and Martian Manhunter and Human Torch. Now before you go saying MM can mindrape the torch, remember that the team has prep and Professor X doesn't have to match up with anybody. He could just sit back and keep Martian Manhunter from entering anybody's mind. So, if you have Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman and Martian Manhunter at least occupied the rest are in trouble. The Wildcard would be Flash. If Flash could get to Professor X then it could be trouble. However, like I said they have prep. Jean Grey's TK could be enough to keep Flash in stasis. With that I'm going with the Marvel team.

#11 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15259 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

JLA easily

#12 Posted by EpitomeofCool (2779 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Night Thrasher said:

" Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, and Martian Manhunter have match ups that are equal to if not greater in strength or exploiting a weakness. Superman and Thor, Wonder Woman and Hulk, Batman and Captain America and Martian Manhunter and Human Torch. Now before you go saying MM can mindrape the torch, remember that the team has prep and Professor X doesn't have to match up with anybody. He could just sit back and keep Martian Manhunter from entering anybody's mind. So, if you have Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman and Martian Manhunter at least occupied the rest are in trouble. The Wildcard would be Flash. If Flash could get to Professor X then it could be trouble. However, like I said they have prep. Jean Grey's TK could be enough to keep Flash in stasis. With that I'm going with the Marvel team. "

Professer X would not be powerful enough to stop Martian Manhunter. Wonder Woman would own the Hulk. How are the rest in trouble? The only two left are Aquaman and oh yeah another powerhouse, possibly the most powerful, Green Lantern.

#13 Posted by manx422 (477 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

JLA

#14 Posted by Thor's hammmer (7184 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

JLA Thor is the only one on marvel who could even Hurt WW, MM, GL or the Man of Steel

#15 Posted by Night Thrasher (2722 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@EpitomeofCool: I didn't say Professor X would stop MM. I said he would shield the team versus MM's telepathy. As far a WW and Hulk; even if she beats Hulk, it ain't going to be a one hit fight, so she's tied up. And Aquaman and Green Lantern versus Cyclops, Jean Grey, Sue Storm, Iron Man, etc, etc. That's why they're in trouble. Only a complete fanboy is going to completely dismiss the power of these teams.

#16 Posted by brharri (838 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

X-men
last is ovoulsiy the fanatastic 4

#17 Posted by FinalStar86 (8682 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Night Thrasher said:

" Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, and Martian Manhunter have match ups that are equal to if not greater in strength or exploiting a weakness. Superman and Thor, Wonder Woman and Hulk, Batman and Captain America and Martian Manhunter and Human Torch. Now before you go saying MM can mindrape the torch, remember that the team has prep and Professor X doesn't have to match up with anybody. He could just sit back and keep Martian Manhunter from entering anybody's mind. So, if you have Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman and Martian Manhunter at least occupied the rest are in trouble. The Wildcard would be Flash. If Flash could get to Professor X then it could be trouble. However, like I said they have prep. Jean Grey's TK could be enough to keep Flash in stasis. With that I'm going with the Marvel team. "

Fail

#18 Posted by FLCL1 (9581 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@-Unseen- said:

"@FLCL1 said:

"@-Unseen-: havent seen you in a while "
Interesting choice of words... "

lol

#19 Posted by FinalStar86 (8682 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Night Thrasher said:

" @EpitomeofCool: I didn't say Professor X would stop MM. I said he would shield the team versus MM's telepathy. As far a WW and Hulk; even if she beats Hulk, it ain't going to be a one hit fight, so she's tied up. And Aquaman and Green Lantern versus Cyclops, Jean Grey, Sue Storm, Iron Man, etc, etc. That's why they're in trouble. Only a complete fanboy is going to completely dismiss the power of these teams. "

ROFL ....

#20 Posted by Night Thrasher (2722 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@FinalStar86: You fail to realize, everyone is at original power levels. Also, even at full power JLA team won't just roll through. Solo, JLA could easily beat any of these teams. Together, especially with Reed Richards prepping, I don't see them winning.

#21 Posted by FinalStar86 (8682 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Night Thrasher said:

" @FinalStar86: You fail to realize, everyone is at original power levels. Also, even at full power JLA team won't just roll through. Solo, JLA could easily beat any of these teams. Together, especially with Reed Richards prepping, I don't see them winning. "

Prep time is massively overrated, the reason why it works so well is because of plot. Most of team 2 are canon fodder anyway, characters like Iron Man and Cyclops would be killed instantly, the only one's that might last a few minutes are Hulk and Thor

Keep in mind the JLA have prep time also. That it helps either team much here

#22 Posted by Night Thrasher (2722 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Nobody is going to instant kill anybody in this scenario. Prep is overrated, except in the case of masters of prep, like Richards and Batman. Iron Man nor Cyclops could beat Green Lantern, but together they at least pose a challenge. The strength of the Marvel team is the numbers. Also, Jean Grey is an Omega Level mutant, as is Professor X. Thing is strong enough to go at Aquaman, maybe not beat him, but enough to go toe to toe with him. Either you don't kow enough about the Marvel Team, or your dismissing them for your love of DC. This battle is all about the "cannon fodder", and Marvel's "cannon fodder" includes two omega level mutants, and Sue Storm who is arguably as powerful as an Omega level mutant.

#23 Posted by DedmanWalkin (2598 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Someone needs to keep the Flash rant ready for debates like these.

Flash solos, Superman solos, Martian Manhunter solos, Green Lantern solos, WW and Bats almost solos, Aquaman sleeps.

#24 Posted by FinalStar86 (8682 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Night Thrasher said:

" Nobody is going to instant kill anybody in this scenario. Prep is overrated, except in the case of masters of prep, like Richards and Batman. Iron Man nor Cyclops could beat Green Lantern, but together they at least pose a challenge. The strength of the Marvel team is the numbers. Also, Jean Grey is an Omega Level mutant, as is Professor X. Thing is strong enough to go at Aquaman, maybe not beat him, but enough to go toe to toe with him. Either you don't kow enough about the Marvel Team, or your dismissing them for your love of DC. This battle is all about the "cannon fodder", and Marvel's "cannon fodder" includes two omega level mutants, and Sue Storm who is arguably as powerful as an Omega level mutant. "

Prep time is overrated period..and the so called masters you mentioned ? Their practically the only one's that ever utilize prep time

Iron Man and Cyclops are not a challenge to Green Lantern, GL is a cosmic level being capable of leveling entire worlds, Cyclops is barely above street level and Iron Man is a mid tier character at best, GL would kill them instantly.

Strength in numbers would help the Marvel team, if their team actually had some impressive characters. Thor , Iceman and Sue are the only possible threats and they can be taken out by Supes or Flash alone.

You're the one that doesn't know enough about the DC team especially since you think Cyclops and Iron Man can challenge a freaking Green Lantern, not to mention one of the more powerful Lanterns. Two omega level mujtants? Iceman might be a threat but Jean is useless since Martian is a far superior telepath and GL can shield everyone from her and Xavier's telepathy.

Basically this fight is Iceman, Thor, and Sue vs GL, Supes, WW, Flash....the winner is obvious

#25 Posted by Ferro Vida (33859 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

By original power levels do you mean Golden Age levels? Because if so then the Avengers and the FF can both win.

#26 Posted by FinalStar86 (8682 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Ferro Vida said:

" By original power levels do you mean Golden Age levels? Because if so then the Avengers and the FF can both win. "

If that was the case then this would be Alan Scott who could solo

#27 Posted by Ferro Vida (33859 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@FinalStar86: Nah, Hal Jordan was around in the Golden Age too, wasn't he? Alan Scott just came first.

Besides, original power level Reed Richards was still able to repel alien invasions and Galactus with a bit of prep.

#28 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15259 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Ok well when The JLA was formed Superman was destroying Solar Systems with Sneezes and Throwing collapsed stars around trillions of miles that weighed like 500 trillion tons and with the gravitational force of like 100 supernovas. Not to mention in Silver Age Superman had Mind Control and TK on occasion

#29 Posted by Ferro Vida (33859 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Son_of_Magnus: Silver Age isn't original power levels for Superman.

#30 Posted by FinalStar86 (8682 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Ferro Vida said:

" @FinalStar86: Nah, Hal Jordan was around in the Golden Age too, wasn't he? "

Hal Jordan was Silver Age

#31 Posted by Ferro Vida (33859 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@FinalStar86: Was he? Alright. What kind of feats did Alan Scott have back then?

#32 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15259 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Ferro Vida said:

" @Son_of_Magnus: Silver Age isn't original power levels for Superman. "

It is for JLA and Alan Scott's feats are the same as they are today he never changed since he was brought here from the Golden Age

#33 Posted by FinalStar86 (8682 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Ferro Vida said:

" @FinalStar86: Was he? Alright. What kind of feats did Alan Scott have back then? "

The only notable feat that he had from the actual Golden Age was owning Doctor Fate. But since he is from Earth 2 all of his feats in the past 10-20 years are considered his Golden Age feats.

#34 Posted by Ferro Vida (33859 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@FinalStar86: I don't really know anything about him.

@Son_of_Magnus: No it isn't. It says all characters are at original power levels, not all teams.

#35 Posted by FinalStar86 (8682 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Ferro Vida said:

" @FinalStar86: I don't really know anything about him.

@Son_of_Magnus: No it isn't. It says all characters are at original power levels, not all teams. "

Basically Fate was the most powerful Golden Age hero [back then he was in the same ball park as the Spectre] and Scott defeated him. That would his most noteably feat chronologically speaking. Earth 2 is suppose to be DCU during the Golden Age where the JSA comes from ei Jay Garrick, Wildcat, Alan Scott. So basically, he's at the same levels now as he was during the Golden Age.

#36 Posted by Ferro Vida (33859 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@FinalStar86: Alright, sounds fair. Has he ever been defeated, and if so how?

#37 Posted by FinalStar86 (8682 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Ferro Vida said:

" @FinalStar86: Alright, sounds fair. Has he ever been defeated, and if so how? "

Yes in fact I was just thinking about this, If Reed actually has knowledge of Scott's weakness against plant matter/wood then he can probably whip something up easily with prep

Although I dont know if Alan has this weakness anymore or not, if he does I can see them taking him down. With him down the only credible threat would be GA Flash aka Jay Garrick, and I doubt he solo.

#38 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

JLA veeery easy.=]

#39 Posted by Ferro Vida (33859 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@FinalStar86: See, that's what I'm thinking. Reed Richards with prep is almost as unfair as Superman vs. Deadpool.

#40 Edited by Night Thrasher (2722 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Golden Age is JSA, JLA original is Hal Jordan.

JLA original is;
Superman
Wonder Woman
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)
Flash (Barry Allen)
Batman
Aquaman
Martian Manhunter

#41 Posted by American Dragon (1146 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

bump

#42 Posted by SSGL1 (214 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

So, you're saying Hulk isn't at post-Sakaar strength?

#43 Posted by Sexy Merc (41965 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

JLA should win rather easy.

#44 Posted by texasdeathmatch (12566 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Sexy Merc said:

" JLA should win rather easy. "

I dunno, this is original Iceman so he does have those snowballs and dope ass rain boots

#45 Posted by Sexy Merc (41965 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@texasdeathmatch said:

" @Sexy Merc said:
" JLA should win rather easy. "
I dunno, this is original Iceman so he does have those snowballs and dope ass rain boots "

Aquaman with his water hand could just dehydrate him and knock him out.

Hal can create a bubble around him that he won't escape from, produce flames inside the bubble, deprive him of air which would lead to incapacitation, he turned Adam Strange from water back into a normal person so he could just melt Iceman, turn him into a human form and destroy him, etc.

If it was Wally, I could give better scenarios, but Barry hasn't displayed most of the things Wally had.

Then there's J'onn, Superman, and Wonder Woman who are all too fast, strong, durable to lose. J'onn can mentally shut him down, control him, make him think he's in his human form etc.

#46 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (21886 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

This is just sad, JLA annihilates.

#47 Posted by SlimJ87D (7196 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@DedmanWalkin said:

" Someone needs to keep the Flash rant ready for debates like these. Flash solos, Superman solos, Martian Manhunter solos, Green Lantern solos, WW and Bats almost solos, Aquaman sleeps. "

Are you exaggerating here? Or very serious?

#48 Posted by texasdeathmatch (12566 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Sexy Merc: haha yeah I know, Iceman would be absolutely useless with his snowballs. this fight is simply ridiculous

#49 Posted by DedmanWalkin (2598 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Bats is dangerous, but I am exaggerating... a little

Sometimes jokes don't travel well on the internet.

#50 Posted by MrDirector786 (41452 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Original powers and original team? JLA stomps. The original JLA was made in the Silver Age which means that they have Silver Age Superman.