JL vs. FF Villains

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Roster: Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, Flash, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, Aquaman.   
 
Scenario: Reed Richards has rid himself of all his problems, transporting the villains of the FF to the DC universe.  

Rules:  
- Two weeks between battles. Villains & League have that time to prep/heal. (Ex: round 3 = 6 weeks prep time)  
- Assume no knowledge, only what can be learnt during time in the DCU  
- Pre-52     
- Win by K.O, Death,  Incapacitation  
- No BFR   
- Morals, In-Character    
- JL can receive aid from any of the following characters once: Atom, Blue Beetle, Booster Gold, Captain Atom, Captain Marvel, Doctor Fate, Firestorm, Hawkman, Orion, Power Girl, Red Tornado, Supergirl, Zatanna.      
 
Villains:  
Round 1: Mole-Man + Subterranea monsters 
Round 2: Frightful Four/8 (Wizard, Hydro-Man, Titania, Klaw, Red Ghost, Mad Thinker, Living Laser, Absorbing Man) 
Round 3: Terrax  
Round 4: Super Skrull  
Round 5: Inhumans & Namor (Black Bolt, Medusa, Karnak, Gorgan, Triton, Crystal, Maximus, Lockjaw)   
Round 6: Dr. Doom  
Round 7: Annihilus w. Cosmic Rod + 50% Annihilation Wave   
Round 8: Maelstrom  
Round 9: Molecule Man (Post Retcon) 
Round 10: Galactus  
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stop at 7

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#3  Edited By YoungJustice

Stop at 9

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#4  Edited By MAZAHS117  Online

They don't get past round 9

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#5  Edited By IZZR

They annihilate all rounds but stop at round 9 IF MM is pre retcon otherwise they trash him too.

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#6  Edited By Yai_Inn
@YoungJustice@SHAZAM117@IZZR:  
I don't think they could beat Pre-Retcon MM, but for the sake of the debate wanted to leave it open to both.  
Can they clear Ret-conned MM?  
Can they clear Galactus?  
Do they suffer causalities along the way? 
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#7  Edited By Yai_Inn

Bump. Can they clear post-retcon MM? 

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#8  Edited By Lone_Wolf_and_Cub

Stops at 6 if Doom has prep, if not 7.

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#9  Edited By Yai_Inn
@Lone_Wolf_and_Cub: Doom gets 12 weeks prep, but only has knowledge of the Justice League he can learn in that time. But does not have Latveria 
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#10  Edited By Oni_Bane

Stop at 5, Black Bolt can just shout and take out half there team.

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#11  Edited By Ancient_0f_Days

@Oni_Bane said:

Stop at 5, Black Bolt can just shout and take out half there team.

or flash can imp him before he opens his mouth ........

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#12  Edited By IZZR

Whoever thinks they stop before 10 is highly deluded. Galactus is the only one who can put a stop to them. Flash solos up to 10 i dont see what they can do to stop him.

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#13  Edited By Oni_Bane

Man, the way Flash is played up in this site is ridiculous. Granted I haven't read alot of DC.

Can I see some scans, maybe you can change my mind.

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#14  Edited By Saren

50% of the Annihilation Wave? The army that spanned three solar systems? Really?

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#15  Edited By Yai_Inn
@CitizenBane: Yeah I was unsure what percentage to go with... 2/3, 1/2, 1/3, 1/4 ? I figured GotG with two heralds were holding them until Thanos gave them teleportation. You don't think the JL can stall them and beat them with the support available? 
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#16  Edited By Saren

@Yai_Inn: I don't think the GotG + 2 Heralds (Red Shift and Stardust?) were holding the entire Wave, just a portion of it that was in the vicinity. With prep they should be able to come up with something to counter the vast numbers advantage the Wave has.

I love Annihilus but most of the League would manhandle him. His only major prep feats are from decades in the past.

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#17  Edited By Ancient_0f_Days

@Oni_Bane said:

Man, the way Flash is played up in this site is ridiculous. Granted I haven't read alot of DC.

Can I see some scans, maybe you can change my mind.

I gotchu

Flash Respect

That's why Flash gets as much cred as he does here.

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#18  Edited By ChaosBlazer

dude post thumbnails for christ sake

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#19  Edited By cattlebattle

I would make  a case for them stopping at the Frightful 8....
 
 Klaw can be pretty powerful, he has created constructs that mimic powers, Absorbing Man could absorb Wonder Womans bracelets, Living Laser is also trouble...problem is they all have  big old jobber streaks

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#20  Edited By Ancient_0f_Days

@ChaosBlazer said:

dude post thumbnails for christ sake

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#21  Edited By Evil-Incarnate

They clear it and I say this because if the FF can do it, which they do with Prep.PIS/CIS, then I see no reason the JLA can't.

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#22  Edited By Yai_Inn
@CitizenBane: So if you think they can defeat the numbers of the wave and manhandle Annihilus how far do you think they get?  
 
@Ancient_0f_Days: Thanks for posting  scans. 2 concerns I have with Flash though. How useful will he be in open space? where most likely many of these battles will take place. And Speedforce is transferable, correct? Could Doom steal it? It's not out of character for Doom to attack his foes this way. What happens to the League if Doom steals the Speedforce?    
 
@Evil Incarnate: I don't think FF clears it. They didn't do anything to stop the Annihilation Wave. FF likely wouldn't clear 7. 
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#23  Edited By AssertingValor

Stop at six depending on how much prep Doom has.......

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#24  Edited By Ancient_0f_Days

@Yai_Inn said:

@Ancient_0f_Days: Thanks for posting scans. 2 concerns I have with Flash though. How useful will he be in open space? where most likely many of these battles will take place.

Well, Green Lantern has been able to support Flash in space and hold his own against enemies at the same time, most notably during OWAW while fighting Imperiex probes. So Hal's got Wally's back in space.

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@Ancient_0f_Days: And Speedforce is transferable, correct? Could Doom steal it? It's not out of character for Doom to attack his foes this way. What happens to the League if Doom steals the Speedforce?

Well, personally ... I think there'd have to be some kind of plot device for that to happen. If Doom can anticipate Flash's speed, put up auto shields, and somehow trap Flash and use his power stealing tech, he could be a serious problem. Hal could defend the team using constructs, Superman/Wonder Woman/Martian Manhunter could possibly keep Doom at bay since their speeds are enough to at least react to Doom with Flash's speed. Superman once caught Flash when he was going out of control with his speed, Wonder Woman has reaction speed that is way over light speed so she'd be able to at least block him, Martian Manhunter has similar stats to Superman and can turn intangible to keep out of harms way. Those three are the best of the JLA line up to deal with Doom if he ever got a hold of the speed force, while Batman and Aquaman stay within the safety of Green Lantern's barrier construct. Martian Manhunter and Aquaman could possibly work together to mentally stop Doom, unless he has impenetrable psi blocks. Other than that, I see a possibility of Doom winning "IF" he knows how to speed steal.

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#25  Edited By Shawnbaby

You gave Dr.Doom has 3 months of prep time. You never Give Dr. Doom 3 months of prep time.

JLA stop at Doom.

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#26  Edited By Yai_Inn
@Ancient_0f_Days said:

Well, Green Lantern has been able to support Flash in space and hold his own against enemies at the same time, most notably during OWAW while fighting Imperiex probes. So Hal's got Wally's back in space.

But isn't Flash dependent on GL's reaction speed then?  
 
@Shawnbaby said:

You gave Dr.Doom has 3 months of prep time. You never Give Dr. Doom 3 months of prep time.

JLA stop at Doom.

Doom loses badly without prep. 12 weeks may seem like too much, but he doesn't have Latveria to support him. And no prior knowledge, only what he can gather in the 12 weeks.   
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#27  Edited By Shawnbaby

@Yai_Inn said:

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

Well, Green Lantern has been able to support Flash in space and hold his own against enemies at the same time, most notably during OWAW while fighting Imperiex probes. So Hal's got Wally's back in space.

But isn't Flash dependent on GL's reaction speed then?

@Shawnbaby said:

You gave Dr.Doom has 3 months of prep time. You never Give Dr. Doom 3 months of prep time.

JLA stop at Doom.

Doom loses badly without prep. 12 weeks may seem like too much, but he doesn't have Latveria to support him. And no prior knowledge, only what he can gather in the 12 weeks.

He didn't have 12 weeks or Latveria when he stole Galactus and The Beyonder's Powers.

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#28  Edited By Ancient_0f_Days

@Yai_Inn said:

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

Well, Green Lantern has been able to support Flash in space and hold his own against enemies at the same time, most notably during OWAW while fighting Imperiex probes. So Hal's got Wally's back in space.

But isn't Flash dependent on GL's reaction speed then?

He wasn't that dependent in OWAW

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12 Weeks of Prep?

Then the fight stops at 6.

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#30  Edited By jeanroygrant

@matchesmalone21 said:

stop at 7

Why?

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#31  Edited By imbackwimps

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Whoever thinks they stop before 10 is highly deluded. Galactus is the only one who can put a stop to them. Flash solos up to 10 i dont see what they can do to stop him.

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#32  Edited By PossesedShadow

Stops at 6

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#33  Edited By Blacklightning13

At round 6 they stop.