Ugh..... I guess someone doesn't know what "troll" means. Also you are on this site for a day and already decided that you knew the forum rules when you don't but Whatever, I'll take Sasuke and Itachi ftw. Sasuke > Naruto. Itachi = Jiraiya imo
This is a "debatable" battle it can go either way, but in my opinion Naruto and Jiraiya-Sensei take this, Sasuke at the summit ? was a crutch character, he needed help so many times even vs Danzou Shimura.
Sasuke was not a crutch character. He needed help from time to time, but don't ignore context.
As for Itachi, it's common knowledge that Jiraiya is much stronger than him, in base mode they are equal,
No they aren't. Itachi still has his susanoo that he kept hidden from everyone in part 1. And before you start, Itachi claiming that him and Kisame would stalemate Jiraiya is incorrect as it was later revealed that Itachi wasn't a bad guy and wanted to protect his village.
but i believe it was stated that Sage Mode makes Jiraiya the perfect mod enhancing all his skills, i really feel that Jiraiya could use the same tricks to get into Sage Mode
Sage mode requires massive amounts of time for Jiraiya to use. Neither Itachi nor Sasuke will give him the time to enter it especially when sasuke could just Amaterasu him on sight. Amaterasu was considered unavoidable for the characters at that time, jiraiya isn't dodging it.
since he's seen Amaterasu and Tsukiyomi, there's no way he would fall for something he's seen, he's shown to be very smart and dextrous, Itachi is very intelligent as well, but Itachi has no intel on SM, but Naruto and Jiriaya have more intel so i see them taking this battle.
Jiraiya hasn't seen Itachi use Amaterasu. All he saw has the after effects of the technique. But even if he had seen it, he still has no way around it outside of pure speculations such as "he won't fall for it because he is experienced" that's not an argument. Does Jiraiya have any substantial way to deal with amaterasu ? By feats he doesn't.
Itachi and Sasuke are still only MS level, MS level sasuke is hella weak, even in his EMS form Itachi had to save his ass vs Kabuto alone..who is a perfect sage while Naruto whom has also perfected Sage mode will be just as much as a problem.
Wrong for very obvious reasons.
1)Itachi and Sasuke were fighting to incapacitate Kabuto not to kill him. If it was just about killing then either could have Amaterasu'd him or Itachi could have simply sealed him when he caught him right here :
2)Sage Kabuto's sage mode is different from Naruto because Kabuto doesn't need to gather Natural energy by himself. He has the cursed mark which automatically absorbs natural energy even when he is moving. Unlike Naruto and jiraiya who respectively need time to enter sage mode. Itachi and Sasuke can instantly activate Ms and go for the kill.
Sasuke held his own "with" Suigetsu and Jugo and karin at his side,even vs Danzou he needed Karin to heal him after the last blow, let's not forget
Hopefully you realize that that is very point behind having a team. It's called team work.
Garra jumped in to save him from the Raikage's killer blow ..he was on death door the whole time ..that whole kage arc proved Sasuke to be more of a "crutch" character than anything who relies on others to survive.
Wrong again. Sasuke didn't need Gaara's help against Raikage, if anything the one who needed saving was the Raikage. We have already seen that even though the Raikage can break a susanoo rib, his hits aren't enough to seriously damage Sasuke so Sasuke would have survived either way. The Raikage however was heading straight for Sasuke's Enton and Sasuke's Enton can oneshot Juubi minions:
Raikage would have never survived that.
As if that isn't enough the Raikage already had his arm already covered in Amaterasu meaning that dragging the battle would have caused his death.
I don't see why you are trying to make having difficulties against several kages a bad showing in the first place. Anyway You were mocking Sasuke for needing healing, but the same can be said for the Raikage :
Sasuke was capeable of figuring out Izanagi, but Karin still assisted him, she jumped in to heal him look to the left, that whole arc between killer bee and the kage summit Sasuke was a crutch ....
Karin is a medical Ninja, what do you think medic Ninjas are supposed to do ? I can't believe that you are considering getting healed by a medic a mark of weakness lol. Also don't forget that before that Sasuke had clashed with tens of samurais, the raikage and his supporters, the kazekage and his supported, the mizukage and his supporter, the tsuchikage and finally Danzo. Sasuke received help a few time but that doesn't take away the fact that he was facing the top ninjas of his universe who were outnumbering him.
@uchiha454: I agree, but those same situations Sasuke was "actually" saved by plot armor making him a crutch character he was saved more than any other character has ever been saved in the whole series in one "single" arc...I agree Naruto would have fallen to them though, but still Sasuke has actually fallen to this
cee released the Genjutsu and Dauri and A had him dead for sure look at both panels
Plot armors has nothing to do with this. Sasuke didn't even need Suigetsu and Juugo's help to defend from that attack. He already saw through the genjutsu and knew the attack was coming. Suigetsu and Juugo fell for the genjutsu but were still fast enough to react to the attack and "protect" Sasuke. Sasuke who is leagues above both suigetsu and Juugo would have have absolutely no trouble whatsoever dodging or protecting himself :
The key element here isn't 'necessity', It's 'team work'. The battle was 3 vs 3 anyway so your point is moot to begin with.
Jiraiya's genjutsu completely seals movement. They wont b able to turn and look into each others eyes (like they did with kabuto), they'll b bound with no way to move or activate any offensive attacks (3 pains couldnt.
Jiraiya's genjutsu completely seals movement. They wont b able to turn and look into each others eyes (like they did with kabuto), they'll b bound with no way to move or activate any offensive attacks (3 pains couldnt.
Jiraiya's genjutsu completely seals movement. They wont b able to turn and look into each others eyes (like they did with kabuto), they'll b bound with no way to move or activate any offensive attacks (3 pains couldnt.
So you believe that Itachi and Sasuke will wait patiently for Jiraya to summon his toads and wait for them to get in sync while Naruto is struggling in a basic illusion? Jiraya's genjutsu has weaknesses in it that make it hard for him to use here
@uchiha454: You do know Sasuke doesn't even bother using Genjutsu on Naruto because he knows it won't work right? If that were the case Sasuke would've used his rinnegan on him in their final battle.
@uchiha454: You do know Sasuke doesn't even bother using Genjutsu on Naruto because he knows it won't work right? If that were the case Sasuke would've used his rinnegan on him in their final battle.
You do realize that this version of Naruto is not in cooperation with the Kyuubi and is still susceptible to genjutsu right?
Team 2 wins, Naruto is superior to sasuke, whilst Itachi is far superior to Jiraiya. That leaves naruto and itachi. And at that arc, kinda obvious who wins.
Jiraiya always makes clones for distractions and summons giant toads to battle (3 minutes). Or do you think jiraiyas so weak he wouldnt last that long?
Naruto (doesnt need three minutes, nothing stops him from entering sage mode and summoning them while jiraiya buys time along with narutos clones). And dont forget gamaoyabunta, gamahiro and gamaken arent pushover, you saw what they did to pains summonings.
Jiraiya always makes clones for distractions and summons giant toads to battle (3 minutes). Or do you think jiraiyas so weak he wouldnt last that long?
No Jiraya is not weak but he is no Naruto either I don't the clones would be as powerful as say a later version of Naruto which wouldn't buy him too much time and Itachi can create clones as well nor does he have the speed feats to suggest he could avoid Amaterasu which a member on team 2 is known to spam also if the summons get hit with Amaterasu they are gone and even without Amaterasu look at how easily Itachi dealt with Orochimaru's Hydra technique :)
Naruto (doesnt need three minutes, nothing stops him from entering sage mode and summoning them while jiraiya buys time along with narutos clones). And dont forget gamaoyabunta, gamahiro and gamaken arent pushover, you saw what they did to pains summonings.
IIRC this Naruto set clones up to gather natural energy to enter sage mode and since he doesn't have prep here gonna go out on a limb here and say team 2 is not going to be as lax to let him go create clones and wait while he gathers natural energy also if Naruto looks at either Sasuke or Itachi he will become either a non factor or a detriment because Jiraya will have to release him from it and that will create opportunity for team two.
Dude with those clones 1000 narutos would attack at the same time (jiraiya will summon the three giant toads). & dont speak as if itachi is comparable to naruto at cloning. Amaterasus useless, jiraiya can seal it. And if team one decide to hide in susano, jiraiya can turn the entire battle field into a dark swamp which would drown team1 in a mud like quick sand. Not to mention the massive fire combos jiraiya can spam with bunta.
Dude with those clones 1000 narutos would attack at the same time (jiraiya will summon the three giant toads). & dont speak as if itachi is comparable to naruto at cloning. Amaterasus useless, jiraiya can seal it. And if team one decide to hide in susano, jiraiya can turn the entire battle field into a dark swamp which would drown team1 in a mud like quick sand. Not to mention the massive fire combos jiraiya can spam with bunta.
I wasn't comparing Itachi's cloning to Naruto's I was comparing it to Jiraya's. Jiraya isn't going to be able to seal while it is burning him alive or do it before he summons are sent back. Also what is to stop Naruto from being dealt with in a glance? Dark swamp when a member of team 2 is an experienced lightning nature user bad move not to mention their speed spamming fire combos will do nothing as chakra cloaks do not burn and susanoo is a chakra cloak :)
@uchiha454: Ah I see, well anyways Sasuke doesn't have the visual prowess to trap Naruto in a genjutsu and Itatchi is going to be too busy with Jiraiya to do anything like that. Unless you're going to make a case for Kotoamatsukami the point is moot.
@uchiha454: Ah I see, well anyways Sasuke doesn't have the visual prowess to trap Naruto in a genjutsu and Itatchi is going to be too busy with Jiraiya to do anything like that. Unless you're going to make a case for Kotoamatsukami the point is moot.
Dude jiraiyas stamina is above itachis. And he tricked pains rinnegan (madaras eyes) with kage bunshin). And dude summonings are sent back if their master dies not if he is wounded. And how does amaterasu tag jiraiya at that distance (he is on oyabins head remember)
Dude jiraiyas stamina is above itachis. And he tricked pains rinnegan (madaras eyes) with kage bunshin). And dude summonings are sent back if their master dies not if he is wounded. And how does amaterasu tag jiraiya at that distance (he is on oyabins head remember)
Pain didn't have the skill level that Madara does with his eye all he was able to do was use paths can you name one instant where he used a ms heck even a basic sharingan technique with those eyes? It seemed to me that the summoning jutsu takes longer than glaring at someone and Jiraya doesn't start with summons so...
Naruto struggled against itachis genjutsu which>>>>>sauce's.
Has this version of Naruto done anything to suggest that Sasuke's genjutsu wouldn't work on him? and Itachi wasn't even using Tsukyomi with Naruto the two times he was trapped by it.
Tis in character for him to summon them at the beginning of fights as seen against pain & orochimaru.
But he doesn't get prep unless your saying he does it at the beginning of this fight in which case Amaterasu will hit him before he completes the summon.
Yes he does it at the begining of the fight. And no body on team uchiha spams amaterasu at the begining of fights (not in character). Stop creating situations that favour you, while ignoring logic.
Yes he does it at the begining of the fight. And no body on team uchiha spams amaterasu at the begining of fights (not in character). Stop creating situations that favour you, while ignoring logic.
Your nerfing characters while buffing your own there are so many ways for team 2 to deal with summons. Itachi will counter it with susanoo or sasuke will hit it with amaterasu both of these things they have done in battle and no summons save for the Juubi can fight with amaterasu burning it even the bijuu have been unable to do anything against it unless you wanna argue Gamabunta >>>>> the Hachibi and when has this version of Naruto shrugged off any illusions?
@a1l_s2a3m4e5n: Youre the one making BS up, youre saying jiraiya can seal amaterasu? Is he gonna get on his knees, prepare the scroll just tk seal it everytime? Would he have time to do it? Hed get stomped the second he tried.
Susano is too slow to tag any of those toads. as for amaterasu, i'll give you that. But Narutos ability to enter sage mode in a matter of seconds prevents amaterasu tag for naruto. And with that he can summon lord fukasaku and lady shima for jiraiya (a speculation)/tell bunta to go back and bring them with back him.
Susano is too slow to tag any of those toads. as for amaterasu, i'll give you that. But Narutos ability to enter sage mode in a matter of seconds prevents amaterasu tag for naruto. And with that he can summon lord fukasaku and lady shima for jiraiya (a speculation)/tell bunta to go back and bring them with back him.
1. It doesn't need to be fast the toads can't harm Itachi with long ranged attacks and Gama fights with a tanto usually and once in range Itachi can use the SoT
2. Doesn't Naruto need to stand still and gather Natural energy to enter sage mode in the Pain fight he set up clones in mount myoboku to stay absorbing natural energy the giving it too him and in the actual fight it took him a while to gather Natural energy while being restrained by preta path I can't recall when he entered it in moments?
3. How does Sage mode prevent Naruto from being hit with Amaterasu?
1. It doesn't need to be fast the toads can't harm Itachi with long ranged attacks and Gama fights with a tanto usually and once in range Itachi can use the SoT
*The giant toads are distractions. Theyre not actually suppose to win.
2. Doesn't Naruto need to stand still and gather Natural energy to enter sage mode in the Pain fight he set up clones in mount myoboku to stay absorbing natural energy the giving it too him and in the actual fight it took him a while to gather Natural energy while being restrained by preta path I can't recall when he entered it in moments?
*He can have clones hide in buntas mouth and enter sage mode, while the real one aids jiraiya.
3. How does Sage mode prevent Naruto from being hit with Amaterasu?
*sage naruto reacted to 3rd raikage, how would amaterasu which the fourth raikage dodged hit naruto?
Ps. Rinnegan has better vission than sharingan. Reference to lithograph written by so6p. Rinnegan can see it clearly, sharingan can.
1. It doesn't need to be fast the toads can't harm Itachi with long ranged attacks and Gama fights with a tanto usually and once in range Itachi can use the SoT
*The giant toads are distractions. Theyre not actually suppose to win.
2. Doesn't Naruto need to stand still and gather Natural energy to enter sage mode in the Pain fight he set up clones in mount myoboku to stay absorbing natural energy the giving it too him and in the actual fight it took him a while to gather Natural energy while being restrained by preta path I can't recall when he entered it in moments?
*He can have clones hide in buntas mouth and enter sage mode, while the real one aids jiraiya.
3. How does Sage mode prevent Naruto from being hit with Amaterasu?
*sage naruto reacted to 3rd raikage, how would amaterasu which the fourth raikage dodged hit naruto?
Ps. Rinnegan has better vission than sharingan. Reference to lithograph written by so6p. Rinnegan can see it clearly, sharingan can.
1. It doesn't need to be fast the toads can't harm Itachi with long ranged attacks and Gama fights with a tanto usually and once in range Itachi can use the SoT
*The giant toads are distractions. Theyre not actually suppose to win.
And does that distraction usually involve Gamabunta getting close to the opponent or not because when he was used I remember him using close combat against many opponents.
2. Doesn't Naruto need to stand still and gather Natural energy to enter sage mode in the Pain fight he set up clones in mount myoboku to stay absorbing natural energy the giving it too him and in the actual fight it took him a while to gather Natural energy while being restrained by preta path I can't recall when he entered it in moments?
*He can have clones hide in buntas mouth and enter sage mode, while the real one aids jiraiya.
Has Naruto ever done that before? If not why would he do it in this fight? also in this fight he starts in it but I don't see how it helps him avoid Amaterasu or Sasuke's genjutsu or if he can even hurt them before it runs out?
3. How does Sage mode prevent Naruto from being hit with Amaterasu?
*sage naruto reacted to 3rd raikage, how would amaterasu which the fourth raikage dodged hit naruto?
Nope that was KCM Naruto who is not in this fight unless you have a scan of it cause I am 99% sure its KCM Naruto
Ps. Rinnegan has better vission than sharingan. Reference to lithograph written by so6p. Rinnegan can see it clearly, sharingan can.
Yes when it is wielded by an actual uchiha not implanted into an Uzumaki again has Nagato ever used any basic sharingan techniques such as precog or copying or genjutsu?
1. Sasuke was a "crutch" character are you joking ? that whole arc he was saved more than anyone in the whole series
2. Garra, Zetsu, Karin, Jugo, Obito and Suigetsu that's more than 6 times bro, in one arc lool he needed to be saved more than Karin or Sakura has been in the whole series lol
3. tachi's stamina is weak as hell, he stated this to Kisame, In addition, itachi being revealed as good means little, he stopped to destroy, Kakashi, Kureni and Asuma, but when he got to Jiraiya he all of a sudden cared about his alliance to the village ? Itachi > Jiraiya
4. What massive time ? in the manga how many panels did it take him to reach Sage Mode ? besides that Jiraiya can use the same tricks he used before ,he has too much intel on Itachi seeing as he showed him already what he could do with Sasuke and how Kakashi suffered at the hands of the same jutsu
Amaterasu was considered unavoidable, but we do not know how Ero-senin would fair vs it, seeing as he's seen it "intel" we don't know what he knows about it or knew and with that said we never will cause of Kishimoto's terrible ending and terrible turn in the manga
5. They were fighting to incapacitate him, but still how would they amaterasu him when Kabuto can shed his skin or use "oral rebirth" ? they could not kill kabuto if they wanted to, he had the edge and actually Itachi would have been already dead if he were not an Edo, Kabuto killed him several times
Team work in 1v1 battles ? 1v1 vs Danzou you have Karin jump in and heal you ? 1v1 vs Mizukage you have Zetsu come help you ?
1v1 vs Oonoki you have Obito save you ? come on bro, the guy has been saved more than Dead Goku with Dragon Balls, how is that team work, name one person in the whole series who needed that much team work
Sasuke had flames covering him, read the "viz translation" Garra stated both parties would have suffered from each attack
8 Since Sasuke faced Killer Bee he's needed plot armor, hands down, your point about Suigetsu and Jugo being lower than Sasuke means little, if they would have his Sasuke he would have died on the spot, he saw though the genjutsu, but how did he know an attack was coming ? he's not a sensory lol
@comicvinepoozer1: Well just don't want to deal with any trolling :D i got Jiraiya and Naruto ...Jiraiya >Itachi part 1 Jiraiya >>>>>>>>>>>Itachi time skip
1. Sasuke was a "crutch" character are you joking ? that whole arc he was saved more than anyone in the whole series
No I'm not joking. I have no reason to joke as I've already added the missed context to the instances you mentioned.
2. Garra, Zetsu, Karin, Jugo, Obito and Suigetsu that's more than 6 times bro, in one arc lool he needed to be saved more than Karin or Sakura has been in the whole series lol
Gaara didn't save Sasuke. Suigetsu and Juugo didn't need to save him either as I already proved. Obito and zetsu helped an out of chakra sasuke escaping a kage level character when he was already exhausted from fighting his way up to that point that isn't bad at all. Karin's role is to heal her team mates in the first place. What are you getting at ? Naruto is a manga about team work this has been established since the very first chapters.
3. tachi's stamina is weak as hell, he stated this to Kisame, In addition, itachi being revealed as good means little, he stopped to destroy, Kakashi, Kureni and Asuma, but when he got to Jiraiya he all of a sudden cared about his alliance to the village ? Itachi > Jiraiya.
Itachi's stamina was weak because he was ill. This isn't ill Itachi and this doesn't matter at all since Itachi can end the fight in one hit. Itachi did not try to kill Asuama or Kurenai or Kakshi. He literally could have killed any of them but decided not to do it. Especially in Kakashi's case :
Instead of going off of speculations and dubious statement why don't you use feats to judge them ? Because we both know that Itachi's feat >>>> Jiraiya.
4. What massive time ? in the manga how many panels did it take him to reach Sage Mode ?
It took him an entire Manga chapter to enter sage mode.
besides that Jiraiya can use the same tricks he used before ,
What tricks ? summons ? lol Itachi oneshots the summon and Jiraiya at the same time like he did to Nagato :
he has too much intel on Itachi seeing as he showed him already what he could do with Sasuke and how Kakashi suffered at the hands of the same jutsu
Again you are only going off assumptions and empty claims. What substantial way does Jiraiyia have to deal with Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi ? None at all.
Amaterasu was considered unavoidable, but we do not know how Ero-senin would fair vs it, seeing as he's seen it "intel" we don't know what he knows about it or knew and with that said we never will cause of Kishimoto's terrible ending and terrible turn in the manga
Don't blame off your lack of proof on Kishi. We know very well how Jiraiya would deal with Amaterasu : By getting one shotted. Is jiraiya as fast as Raikage ? No. Is jiraiya able to absorb ninjutsu ? No. Is jiraiya a chakra cloak user ? also no. It's very clear that Jiraiya has no answer to Amaterasu. If you are going to clam otherwise you are to be expected to be able to present evidence to back your claims not push the blame of the writer.
5. They were fighting to incapacitate him, but still how would they Amaterasu him when Kabuto can shed his skin or use "oral rebirth" ?
Enton Kagatsushi = GG. He will burn from the inside out.
they could not kill kabuto if they wanted to,
Yeah right. Totsuka blade = GG. Enton Kagatsushi = GG. Amaterasu till he runs out of chakra = GG (Itachi was edo)
he had the edge and actually Itachi would have been already dead if he were not an Edo, Kabuto killed him several times..
Itachi didn't care about getting hit because he was edo. And you are using a scenario were he couldn't use his full power against Kabuto to make interpretation. That's very obviously wrong.
Team work in 1v1 battles ? 1v1 vs Oonoki you have Obito save you ? come on bro, the guy has been saved more than Dead Goku with Dragon Balls, how is that team work, name one person in the whole series who needed that much team work
1v1 vs Danzou you have Karin jump in and heal you ?
1v1 vs Mizukage you have Zetsu come help you ?
What 1 vs 1 battles ? It was onoki plus mizukage + raikage + their followers + miffune vs sasuke. Not that it matters any way. This isn't some lame tournament or a noblemen's duel, this is war. You'd know if you followed Kakashi's very first lesson.
Sasuke had flames covering him, read the "viz translation" Garra stated both
parties would have suffered from each attack
Gaara doesn't even know crap about Enton. Why would you take his baseless statement over what's shown on panel ? a little too convenient.
Wrong there was no plot armor is that fight. And apparently you don't even know what plot armor is. Getting =/= Plot shield.
your point about Suigetsu and Jugo being lower than Sasuke means little, if they would have his Sasuke he would have died on the spot, he saw though the genjutsu, but how did he know an attack was coming ? he's not a sensory lol
It's called sharingan, google it. If fodders like Juugi and suigetsu were fast enough to react EVEN THOUGH they fell for the genjutsu, then sasuke would have never gotten tagged. No assumptions or maybes only facts based on their feats.
1. lol you don't' want him to be crutch but he is, look how many times he had to be saved in one arc alone ? Man he's more crutch than Sakura loool or Ton Ton the pig. He also has a ton of plot protection, even vs Killer Bee he was almost dead
Just cause you say "I proved this" ? means little, What "you" soley think does not go with what was shown. These people helped him when he was knocking on deaths door, he was stomped over and over and over and still lived, he was crutch and full of "plot protection" There was no plot armor ? i don't know what it is ? so Sasuke not dying is just the story or due to good luck right ? he's not being protected cause he's a key character …right ? …I guess you got me looool
2. Karin's role is to help someone fighting 1v1, lool even after the stalemate with Danzou he collapsed and she jumped in to help him, he's a crutch, do you know what a crutch is ?
3. Itachi---- We knew Itachi's limits cause if his own comments, Itachi raped Kakashi, he destroyed Kureni, yet when he gets to Jiraiya he runs ? but this is because he's a good guy ? What ????
Edo Itachi's feats are what ? Itachi had assistance, Nagato was focused on the opposition and he took advantage, which is key, but in a 1v1 fight Itachi is no near match to Nagato, while Nagato himself stated Jiraiya could have won, had he knew the secrets lool Most of Itachi's Edo feats are things he could never do, after he fought bee and used Amaterasu and Susanoo he would have passed out.once his limits don't allow him to go far, which is why he is always able to play with weaker foes, like Naruto, Sasuke, Diedara, Kureni
You've seen Itachi one shot one powerful ninja outside of Edo Form, and that's Orochimaru, who even resisted his technique, there is not proof Itachi can one shot powerful foes when he has his limits in human form lol only problems i see Itachi giving Jiraiya is Genjtusu and maybe Amaterasu, but Itachi does not know what Jiraiya has in his arsenal, so he is not stupid enough to do so, i don't know why all you guys think itachi is an idiot who will try to use his best moves right off the bat to blitz or one shot lol
As for tricks ? Jiraiya can use summons, barriers, toton, but i know he could get into sage mode, but it's just speculation, just like you thinking he could not.
Jiraiya has Intel Itachi does not, it makes a world of difference.
Itachi ran from Jiraiya when he could have used the same on him right ? but he was being a good guy at that moment right ? if Itachi ran, I'm sure he knew the difference between him and Ero Senin :D
4. Kabuto and Nagato Totsaka too slow, it has no feats of speed, it sealed a slow Orochiamru in 8 branches mode, and it sealed Nagato, which he was only capable of doing because of Killer Bee and Naruto Amaterasu nor Enton is not working on Kabuto bro, sad but true he's too fast and he can shed his skin like nothing, he would literally kill them both if he did not want to capture them as well.
Itachi would have died as a human, everyone knows he's no match for Kabuto in SM or Nagao.
5. Gara stated they both would have suffered, read the Official Viz bro
1. lol you don't' want him to be crutch but he is, look how many times he had to be saved in one arc alone ?
How about you add context to your statement instead of only seeing what you feel like seeing ?
Man he's more crutch than Sakura loool or Ton Ton the pig.
Oh so you are just a Sasuke hater trying to rustle my jimmies? good to know. Too bad all your attempts will be :
He also has a ton of plot protection, even vs Killer Bee he was almost dead
Being almost dead does not equal having a plot shield lol By your logic Killer B is a crutch for having the 8 tails save him from Sasuke's genjutsu. Naruto is a crutch for having sasuke save him. Ichigo for having Zangetsu help him. Yusuke for having Hiei help him and every other manga character as well.
Just cause you say "I proved this" ? means little, What "you" soley think does not go with what was shown.
Nope unlike you who is merely presenting a twisted version of the events. I have presented undeniable evidence proving that sasuke did not need that help.
These people helped him when he was knocking on deaths door, he was stomped over and over and over and still lived, he was crutch and full of "plot protection"
*Yawn*
There was no plot armor ? i don't know what it is ? so Sasuke not dying is just the story or due to good luck right ? he's not being protected cause he's a key character …right ? …I guess you got me looool
Oh, so you really don't know what a plot shield is huh. For you knowledge it means surviving something that should have killed you for no logical reason other than PIS. Getting help is not plot protection.
2. Karin's role is to help someone fighting 1v1,
Why does he even have to fight 1 vs 1 lol ? What do you think war is ? Have you even been reading Naruto at all ? Let me refresh your memory on what Ninjas are :
Kakshi fought Zabuza 3 vs 1, Pain fought Naruto 1 vs 6 etc
lool even after the stalemate with Danzou he collapsed and she jumped in to help him, he's a crutch, do you know what a crutch is ?
Oh so getting help from your medic after beating Danzo makes him a crutch huh. Very immature, aren't you ?
3. Itachi---- We knew Itachi's limits cause if his own comments, Itachi raped Kakashi, he destroyed Kureni, yet when he gets to Jiraiya he runs ? but this is because he's a good guy ? What ????
You do realize that Itachi also retreated from that fight with Kakshi and co right ? (unlike what you call running). Itachi didn't give a damn about Jiraiya he fodderzized Sasuke while Jiraiya was there not even caring, try to understand the context of the events instead of only looking at what superficially happened lmao
Edo Itachi's feats are what ? Itachi had assistance, Nagato was focused on the opposition and he took advantage, which is key, but in a 1v1 fight Itachi is no near match to Nagato, while Nagato himself stated Jiraiya could have won, had he knew the secrets lool Most of Itachi's Edo feats are things he could never do, after he fought bee and used Amaterasu and Susanoo he would have passed out.once his limits don't allow him to go far, which is why he is always able to play with weaker foes, like Naruto, Sasuke, Diedara, Kureni
Oh so now you are downplaying Itachi too ? Nice. Too bad Itachi doesn't even need Edo feats to fodderize Team1. I don't see why you even brought this up. Probably another misunderstanding due to taking things out of context lol
You've seen Itachi one shot one powerful ninja outside of Edo Form, and that's Orochimaru, who even resisted his technique, there is not proof Itachi can one shot powerful foes when he has his limits in human form lol
See ? this is exactly what I'm talking about. If you were able to read and comprehend my statement in their context instead of grasping at straws, you'd realize that the oneshot I'm talking about was Amate + Tsuku
only problems i see Itachi giving Jiraiya is Genjtusu and maybe Amaterasu, but Itachi does not know what Jiraiya has in his arsenal, so he is not stupid enough to do so, i don't know why all you guys think itachi is an idiot who will try to use his best moves right off the bat to blitz or one shot lol
LOL So Itachi is just going to stand there and watch instead of going for the sure kill ? Yeah, that's just another one of your baseless assumption, man.
As for tricks ? Jiraiya can use summons,
Sitting ducks that'd get one shotted by amte or totsuka blade or even sasuke's arrows.
barriers,
No amount of barriers are going to save Jman's ass lol stop talking in general give concrete examples and proof of their effectiveness.
toton,
What even is that ?
but i know he could get into sage mode, but it's just speculation, just like you thinking he could not.
Nice. So you can't even go back and check how long it takes jiraiya to go into sage mode ? lol ok.
Jiraiya has Intel Itachi does not, it makes a world of difference.
Yeah no. Jiraiya knows close to nothing about Itachi other than Tsukuyomi (if Kakashi even told him) He'll try to avoid eye contact and fall for a genjutsu at the start of the battle.
Itachi ran from Jiraiya when he could have used the same on him right ? but he was being a good guy at that moment right ? if Itachi ran, I'm sure he knew the difference between him and Ero Senin :D
Ah yes, he "ran" just like Naruto ran from pain when his sage mode ran off.just like Yusuke was running from a truck. Just like J man was ranning from pain's summon lmao
4. too slow, it has no feats of speed.
So a susanoo's weapon is considered too slow now ? lol
it sealed a slow Orochiamru in 8 branches mode, and it sealed Nagato, which he was only capable of doing because of Killer Bee and Naruto Amaterasu nor Enton is not working on Kabuto bro, sad but true he's too fast and he can shed his skin like nothing, he would literally kill them both if he did not want to capture them as well.
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How about you present actual evidence instead of these empty claims ?
Itachi would have died as a human, everyone knows he's no match for Kabuto in SM or Nagao.
I had no idea you opinion qualifies as "everyone" lol
5. Gara stated they both would have suffered, read the Official Viz bro
I couldn't care less about what an irrelevant character who knew absolutely nothing about the justsu says. I only go by what's actually shown on panel. In which case Enton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Raikage's kick.
@mudamudamuda: LooL Ohhh now i get it, you're based on Dio Brando ? lool i have not read Jo Jo in like 13 years loool in fact i think i was like 10 or 11 when i stated reading it ..Cool ..
1. Ahh I'm a hater ? over calling a character who needed more help in one arc, than most need in the wholes series loooool how old are you ?
Killer B's 8 tails ? is part of his arsenal, just like the 9 tails and Naruto, those are "whole other" ninjas who help sasuke when he's losing lol. Killer B has never been crutch, especially taking on all of Taka :D
I know what plot-armor is, Sasuke has had it for the longest, he should have died a long time ago, i guess it's luck then, cool story
2. Thank you for that panel :D but, Kakashi was speaking on the duty of a ninja, Sasuke denounced being a ninja and went rouge, so was that the duty of him being a ninja or a so-called "avenger" loool
so what point are you trying to make ? he was following what Kaskshi-sensei taught him ? lol that's a good one Bro !!!
Sasuke's fought for revenge not to protect, Kakashi needed to be saved to protect, The Leaf needed Naruto, Sasuke was on a vengeful war-path and almost died, for something he wanted to do which was not beneficial lol
3. Itachi retreated cause Anbu was coming and might Gai was there, Itachi took time to come and destroy Kakashi but he ran from Jriaiya ? cause he was a good guy ? loool if were using "your" logic this makes sense, if were using common sense what difference would it make to run from someone you could easily one shot ? Right Good Point from you :D
Not downplaying Itachi, he could never do any of that outside of his Edo form, the best he's done was vs his kid brother, his limits have never been pushed vs any elite ninja bro, Facts !! but he tends to toy with loser ninjas who are under him lol.
4. Ahh I don't comprehend *sigh* ok
5. Name an elite ninja Amaterasu has one shotted :D and the arrows :D oh and let me know how Amaterasu has killed anyone but a summmon DOG !!
6. Toton is Jiraiya's transparent escape and camouflage, read the databook
It took about 10 panels to get into sage more, and he could still fight :D i think Jman would get into sage mode, that's just me, cause Itachi to me is inferior to those 3 paths :D
7. Susanoo sealing sword is slow, it has no feats of speed loool
8. Empty Clains on Itachi ? he would have died …he stated his limits how does Itachi kill Kabuto ? when Genjjutsu is useless and he's fast as hell ? Izanami also only needs prep lool
Fact 1. Itachi has never went all out vs any elite ninja but his little brother lol
Fact 2. Itachi stated his limits years ago, after the time skip it got worse see here…
My Opinion ? Thats fact, Kabuto toyed with them the whole time, Itachi is too weak in comparison to Kabuto or Nagato who are both top 10 dead or alive :D he's too weak in comparison, who does not know that lool Just as you all say Itachi and Sasuke was not trying to kill them ? Kabuto was not trying to kill them either lool
9. Think what you want, Sasuke would have died from the kick as well, :D
LooL Ohhh now i get it, you're based on Dio Brando ? lool i have not read Jo Jo in like 13 years loool in fact i think i was like 10 or 11 when i stated reading it ..Cool ..
Seems legit.
1. Ahh I'm a hater ? over calling a character who needed more help in one arc, than most need in the wholes series
Nope, I made that comment based on the ridiculous claims you were making such as this :
"Man he's more crutch than Sakura loool or Ton Ton the pig."
And the provocative way you were making your (twisted) interpretation such as this :
These people helped him when he was knocking on deaths door, he was stomped over and over and over and still lived, he was crutch and full of "plot protection"
If you aren't trying to hate on Sasuke by making these comments, then that means that you actually believe that nonsense. In which case your credibility is shot, friend lol
I just wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt by turning it into a joke with the jimmies comments, but apparently you really do believe your own nonsense... That's rather sad.
loooool how old are you ?
This is gold ! Let's check what you said in some other thread :
@mudamudamuda: only children sit and "guage" ages behind the computer screen lol
Killer B's 8 tails ? is part of his arsenal, just like the 9 tails and Naruto, those are "whole other" ninjas who help sasuke when he's losing lol. Killer B has never been crutch, especially taking on all of Taka :D
LOL at that interpretation. Both the 8tails and nine tails are whole beings as well. Just because they were sealed inside B or Naruto doesn't mean that they suddenly become luggage. And still you aren't making any sense, why do ninjas have to fight 1 vs 1 ?
I know what plot-armor is, Sasuke has had it for the longest, he should have died a long time ago, i guess it's luck then, cool story
No, you don't apparently. Name one instance were Sasuke survived due to PIS. Do you even know what Pis is ?
2. Thank you for that panel :D but, Kakashi was speaking on the duty of a ninja, Sasuke denounced being a ninja and went rouge, so was that the duty of him being a ninja or a so-called "avenger" loool
so what point are you trying to make ? he was following what Kaskshi-sensei taught him ? lol that's a good one Bro !!!
Sasuke's fought for revenge not to protect, Kakashi needed to be saved to protect, The Leaf needed Naruto, Sasuke was on a vengeful war-path and almost died, for something he wanted to do which was not beneficial lol
Duties of a ninja. that's a good one.
That's the explanation of how battles in Naruto work, mate. this isn't some lame tournament manga like Yu Yu Hakusho, the fact that you are unable to understand this is hilarious. Even more since you actually try to make using team work a mark of weakness lol
What is the difference between using a magic healing pill or a medic ? None at all, the effect is the same. Just because one is human doesn't mean anything, again this isn't some lame "1 vs1 me IRL, fggt I rkt ya" kind of manga, try to understand this or simply don't bring other manags logic into it. For God's sake even the kages teamed up on Madara lol Naruto and the alliance were literally fighting the Juubi, Obito and madara 40000~ vs 3 lol
And you still aren't making sense. By your logic Sasuke is still a ninja even as rogue lol so you really are't helping your case.
3. Itachi retreated cause Anbu was coming and might Gai was there, Itachi took time to come and destroy Kakashi but he ran from Jriaiya ? cause he was a good guy ? loool if were using "your" logic this makes sense, if were using common sense what difference would it make to run from someone you could easily one shot ? Right Good Point from you :D
Ah, so Itachi who slaughtered the entirely of Konoha's police that were all considered the elite of the village, will be afraid of a few anbu ? lmao
And did you miss the part were Itachi spared both Kakashi ad kurenai even though he could have killed them ? You aren't making any sense, mate.
Not downplaying Itachi, he could never do any of that outside of his Edo form, the best he's done was vs his kid brother, his limits have never been pushed vs any elite ninja bro, Facts !! but he tends to toy with loser ninjas who are under him lol.
You know, I would provide an in depth explanation to debunk this if we weren't in a Naruto vs Naruto thread. Fortunately, I don't have to because everyone here is familiar with the manga and knows that what you are stating here is nonsense.
4. Ahh I don't comprehend *sigh* ok
Indeed you don't, as you have been proving over and over again.
5. Name an elite ninja Amaterasu has one shotted :D and the arrows :D oh and let me know how Amaterasu has killed anyone but a summmon DOG !!
Let's see. One shotting Danzo. One shotting lots and lots of Zetsu's. One shotting the Juubi minions. One shotting Killer B (who was forced to escape). One shotting Nagato's Summon birds. One shotting Nagato. etc etc
Literally the only people who survived amaterasu are those who had a way to deal with it. Which unfortunately isn't Jiraiya's case
You failed the instant you thought that people with valid counters surviving it means that others who don't will.
6. Toton is Jiraiya's transparent escape and camouflage, read the databook
lmao you mean the jutsu that has never actually been used like ever ? And of which the only mention we have being a younger jirayia claiming that he uses it to spy on women on bath ? This is beyond hilarious !
Anyway, sharingan can see transparent ninjas regardless, so your invalid argument is even more invalid.
It took about 10 panels to get into sage more, and he could still fight :D i think Jman would get into sage mode, that's just me, cause Itachi to me is inferior to those 3 paths :D
Yeah that's just your baseless opinion. Good to see you admitting it. As far as facts go, Jman gets Amaterasu'd on sight = GG no re.
7. Susanoo sealing sword is slow, it has no feats of speed loool
Of course the sword has no feats of speed lol Susanoo's arms on the other hand has... and guess what is it that decides the sword's speed ? Yep.
8. Empty Clains on Itachi ? he would have died …he stated his limits how does Itachi kill Kabuto ? when Genjjutsu is useless and he's fast as hell ? Izanami also only needs prep lool
So your empty claims vs what's shown on panel here:
Itachi caught Kabuto. If he was going for the kill he would have sealed him right there.
Fact 1. Itachi has never went all out vs any elite ninja but his little brother lol
This is irrelevant to begin with, instead of beating around the bush in a desperate attempt at downplaying why don't you present actual eveidance of jiraiya having what it takes to win ? Because so far you are only hurting your own arguments since Sasuke and Itachi that you are downplaying can still beat your tame. That just makes it look worse.
Why does itachi even need to go all out ? When even when he isn't he can still take down the entire Uchiha clan lol
Beat sasuke who could already do this :
and Orochimaru who is already stronger than jiraiya lamo :
Without even going all out ? lmao you aren't helping your case at all.
Fact 2. Itachi stated his limits years ago, after the time skip it got worse see here…
Still bringing Itachi's lies to kisame as an argument ? lol When will you start providing actual feats instead of basing your arguments on dubious claims ? Oh wait, sorry I forgot that Jiraiya has no decent feats, like at all lol the only battles he fought were losing battles.
My Opinion ? Thats fact, Kabuto toyed with them the whole time, Itachi is too weak in comparison to Kabuto or Nagato who are both top 10 dead or alive :D he's too weak in comparison, who does not know that lool Just as you all say Itachi and Sasuke was not trying to kill them ? Kabuto was not trying to kill them either lool
Still waiting for you to present any form of actual evidence to back literally any of your claims lol
Also neither Nagato nor Kabuto are top 10, not even close lol.
9. Think what you want, Sasuke would have died from the kick as well, :D
lol still no shred of proof huh ? Why am I not surprised ?
So to summarize :
This conversation went off topic with 80% of your posts not actually being related to the battle but just a bunch of irrelevant downplay and general interpretation (probably because you already know that your team has no chance whatsoever unless you resort to downplay instead of actual feats) . But what we know so far :
You haven't provided any form of counter to amaterasu : So Amaterasu = GG.
You haven't provided any form of counter to Tsukuyomi : So Tsukuyomi = GG
You haven't provided any form of counter to even basic genjutsu : So any genjutsu = GG
You haven't provided any form of counter to Sasuke's arrows : so Susanoo arrows = GG.
You haven't provided any way for your team to deal with Yata mirror and totsuka blade so still GG.
Now, then. Will you start providing actual feats and relevant arguments ? or will you keep on beating around the bush and embarrassing yourself ?
@mudamudamuda: also I got Naruto and Jiraiya taking it low difficulty, you can say what you want ? but by Itachi's own merit he stated Jiraiya was out of his league. You < The manga good show.
@mudamudamuda: also I got Naruto and Jiraiya taking it low difficulty, you can say what you want ? but by Itachi's own merit he stated Jiraiya was out of his league. You < The manga good show.
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