Standard Jedi Knight vs a standard Hogwarts Wizard. Fight take place in Hogwarts dining room.
VS
Jedi Knight easily
If wizards can dodge spells with their human level reflexes, a jedi knight could do it with his eyes closed. Then, a lightsabre to the chest and its over.
Jedi Knight > any wizard from the HP verse.
Except Voldemort
Jedi Knight > any wizard from the HP verse.
Except Voldemort
Voldemort gets curbed too
@shootingnova said:
Jedi Knight via speedblitz.
Yep.
To be honest, outside of speedblitzing or just wrecking with a lightsaber, a Jedi could just TK the wand out of the wizard's hand, and a typical wizard wouldn't exactly be capable of efficient wandless magic. The Jedi could proceed to wreck him H2H if he so desired.
Jedi Knight via speedblitz.
Flagging this for a mismatch. There's literally no way the HP wizard wins, and there's otherwise no discussion value.
Jedi Knight > any wizard from the HP verse.
Except Voldemort
Voldemort gets curbed too
It depends if whoever he's going up against is capable of speedblitzing.
Standard HP wizard is far too versatile for standard jedi knight. Not like they have a way to get past a shield..
An Auror would be a better match. A standard HP wizard is a trained warrior. A standard HP wizard is a random guy off the street. So I'm going to go about this assuming that the wizard is a standard Auror rather than a standard school student.
That being said, this depends on a couple factors. Can the average Jedi (not the high end ones we see as the characters in all the media) actually speed blitz a wizard before they get off the right spell is one? I doubt it, but since most wizards cannot do things like apparate mid-battle, it's certainly a possibility.
The other question is, can the wizard actually use battle tactics that makes sense given what they have been shown to be able to do? As much as I love the HP books, and as strong of a writer as JK is in other departments, she sort of sucks at writing combat. Wizards who have been shown to be able to transmutate matter and even a person into an animal with a wave of the wand (a spell that is instantaneous and not a beam so could not be dodged), suddenly resort to stunners and disarming charms while in combat. Seriously, they have been shown to do SOOOOO much more, then it's like they loose all of that in combat...
If the wizards do what they should be able to do, they turn the lightsaber into a poisonous snake with a flick of their wand, the Jedi suddenly has to contend with a large and aggressive serpent in their hands, but before they are able to kill it, the wizard turns the Jedi into a gerbil...
But since Wizards RARELY if ever actually use these tactics despite clearly being able to...yeah the Jedi should win.
In the movies, Luke was trained to sense the attacks from that training bot blindfolded. Wizards rely more on their wands than Jedi's do on their lightsabers (Hell, Jedi's don't even need lightsabers to kill). Movie Jedi's win I'd say, and EU (whoops I mean Legends) Jedi's stomp.
As much as I love the HP books, and as strong of a writer as JK is in other departments, she sort of sucks at writing combat. Wizards who have been shown to be able to transmutate matter and even a person into an animal with a wave of the wand (a spell that is instantaneous and not a beam so could not be dodged), suddenly resort to stunners and disarming charms while in combat. Seriously, they have been shown to do SOOOOO much more, then it's like they loose all of that in combat...
This is sooo true. JKR is good at storytelling, but when it comes to "game balance" or battle tactics, she is a bit clueless. Avadra Kedavra is supposed to be a super feared and high-level spell, when it does nothing that a muggle can't do with a shotgun (kill someone at close range). If there was any realism in power levels, even Wingardium Leviosum would be a harder spell to muster and more feared.
Heck, remember how Hermione used a time travelling device to get her homework done? That little toy was more dangerous than nukes. It's a little absurd that Voldemort didn't use this all the time, if a schoolgirl was able to get her hands on it.
A HP wizard with prep time and actual brains kill a Jedi easily. Drink Felix Felicis, then use a Time Turner to kill him when he's a baby. Or use any of the other ludicrously overpowered tools available.
But yeah, a HP wizard from the HP universe would fight an honourable duel and get shredded.
Standard Jedi Knight speedblitzes, or takes his wand away. A standard wizard is not capable of efficient wandless magic. At that rate, the Jedi Knight's vastly superior physical attributes could let him wreck in H2H.
I'm interested in seeing if someone can make a case for the wizard.
Are there any wizards in the HP universe who can react at bullet time speeds? Can an average Hogwarts wizard cast a spell before a Jedi Knight uses Force Push to disarm/neutralize the wizard?
Star Wars > Potterverse in general when speaking of combat effectiveness. And the same can be said for your typical Harry Potter wizard (what even is that? An average adult, a student..? What?)
@morganfreeman: Nope. HP characters are human in reflexes. And even then the main cast tends to miss their spells often. Jedi are trained warriors from childhood. Normal wand wavers in HP are hardly marksmen.
Jedi wins fairly quickly. Magic has a lot more potential versatility than the Force, but the Force loads the user up with a ton of passive abilities that make them extremely formidable. There aren't really any passive Harry Potter spells that an average wizard has access to, and because of that the wizard starts off at an extreme disadvantage.
The jedi can use the force to enhance their speed, strength, and reflexes to meta-human levels. Even jedi padawans can run fast enough to become a blur as seen in Episode 1.
The Force also gives the jedi precognition which goes hand in hand with the enhanced agility to allow them to block blaster fire from multiple sources from all different angles without being hit. The jedi will be able to anticipate when the wizard is about to attack and react before it even happens, which will allow the jedi to constantly be a step ahead of his opponent. On top of that jedi can read the intentions and emotions of others, and in some cases surface thoughts, which further adds to their ability to figure out how their opponent intends to strike next.
Couple the superior speed, agility, and precognitive reflexes with the telekinetic powers of the Force, which the wizard has no defense against, there is really no reason for a jedi to not simply Force throw the wizard around or knock the wand from his hand. Wizards can't use magic without their wand, and even the greatest wizards can't use combat magic without their wand, so disarming them renders the wizard helpless. A jedi is never helpless even if they do drop their lightsaber because they always have access to the Force.
Harry Potter wizard, easily. Now before you flip shit. Here's why. A Jedi mind trick works on weak minded people, and let's just for fairness say we have Dumbledore versus Yoda, each equally badass. A Jedi mind trick, even from, yoda, wouldn't work on Dumbledore. However, the Harry Potter version of this is known as the Imperious Curse, which essentially does the same thing, just holds for longer. While a well trained jedi, such as yoda, could break free easily from this, it still takes a certain amount of time, and in that about 3 second span to resist it, Dumbledore or any first year wizard could use a petrifcus totalus spell and immobilize the Jedi before finishing him or her off. And also now though a Jedi has the force, a slightly lesser version of this is the Accio charm, which calls an object to the casters hand which they could use to grab the Jedi's lightsaber, and if not, a bombarda spell could easily dispatch the Jedi as long as it was cast nearby within 10 feet, as demonstrated when Peter petigrew faked his death.
Alright! I'm late to the party but all Jedi aren't created equal and the same for Wizards. Trebor Coleman was easily taken out by Jango Fett by a blaster. Where were his Jedi 'senses'?Also we don't know how the Force and the World of Wizardy would balance together. If both were to be in the same plane of existence then there most be some kind of balance. Also, did you not see Percival Graves(Grindelwald) in 'Fantastic Beast and where to find them'. This movie had amazing battles between Wizards and Witches.
Let's also remember that certain tech does not work around wizards I believe
Also some wizards have modifications to their bodies that make them hyper sensitive, for example, Mad-Eye Moody.
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If we're simply talking about the films, the average Jedi is also someone with average human speed and tk. At close range, a Jedi can beat a wizard in h2h but conversely, a wizard has more spells to use in a long range duel than vice versa. So if we look at the most well known source for both franchises, which is the movies, and assume the starting distance is the standard 30 feet, the wizard wins.
@ninjawarrior268: Your first sentence is fairly inaccurate. But regardless, why restrict the Jedi to the movies when there's an established canon to adhere to?
If we're simply talking about the films, the average Jedi is also someone with average human speed and tk. At close range, a Jedi can beat a wizard in h2h but conversely, a wizard has more spells to use in a long range duel than vice versa. So if we look at the most well known source for both franchises, which is the movies, and assume the starting distance is the standard 30 feet, the wizard wins.
This is rife with inaccuracies
Jedi just by canon material only are bullet timers easily and even some canon Jedi have the TK to ragdoll the heck out of any wizard
Hogwarts wizard? Adult or Teens? Well obviously wizards could apparate, but Jedi could feel it. Unless of course easiest way to beat the jedi, Use confringo as not all jedi can beat flamethrowers, or just do bombarda.
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