Jean Grey vs Manchester Black

#1 Posted by Jake Fury (15905 posts) - 2 years, 11 months ago - Show Bio

Jean Grey (Standard Gold Team Version. Telepathy and telekinesis only, no Phoenix force in any way, shape or form)  
 

 
    
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
vs Manchester Black     
(I wanted to use Manchester because I could not find him in a single battle thread on the site. Alos, there aren't as many telepaths in DC as Marvel and wanted to see what the CV universe thought he could do against one of Marvel's best.)

Powers

Telekinesis: Black was an incredibly gifted telekinetic, and was capable of amazingly precise use of his telekinesis. He was able to give Superman the equivalent of a stroke, for example, by telekinetically pinching blood vessels in Superman's brain.

Telepathy: He was also able to create very detailed illusions on a vast scale, and telepathically control thousands of people at the same time.


   

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
  
Scenario:  
Both telepaths have sensed each other and meet at a Metropolis subway station. Jean is interested in the possibility of a powerful new mutant and of course Black simply wants to kill her.
 
Can Jean Grey take down the telepath that nearly brought the Man of Steel to his knees? 
   
#2 Posted by Jake Fury (15905 posts) - 2 years, 11 months ago - Show Bio

Bump?
#3 Posted by Silver2467 (16361 posts) - 2 years, 11 months ago - Show Bio

Manchester sounds powerful. I have to say I don't think I've read much with him in it. But being able to puncture a blood vessel in SuperMan is impressive. Supes is durable all over, inside and out. Does he have any other notable telekinetic feats though? 

#4 Posted by Jake Fury (15905 posts) - 2 years, 11 months ago - Show Bio
@Silver2467:
I put my nose to the grindstone and just couldn't find much info on him. Maybe I'll amend the thread to telepathy only.
#5 Posted by Jake Fury (15905 posts) - 2 years, 11 months ago - Show Bio
@Silver2467:
I couldn't come up with anything. His CV page says hes only had 14 appearances.
#6 Posted by jorgeareizaga (272 posts) - 10 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio

wow amizing thread, I love Jean Grey, he is 10000000000000000000 times better than Emma Frost but Manchester Black is super cool too, he is a fantastic enemy to Superman, I would preffer Jean and him unite force to humilliate and destroy Superman!

#7 Posted by CitizenBane (19836 posts) - 10 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio

Jean wins a TP battle. TK should be more interesting, Black has some very nice TK feats.

#8 Posted by Needlebay (1871 posts) - 9 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

Manchester.

#9 Posted by mrtrickster (2307 posts) - 9 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

going with MB

#10 Posted by KMART4455 (1285 posts) - 9 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

I actually dont know much about MB

But if he brought down Supes that is quite a feat.

I do know about Jean though and she could probably do the same.

Plus her TP is much more powerful

Im going with her but someone can certainly change my mind.

#11 Posted by SithLantern93 (1259 posts) - 9 months, 8 days ago - Show Bio

@mrtrickster said:

going with MB
#12 Posted by blackadamFTW (7824 posts) - 9 months, 8 days ago - Show Bio

@SithLantern93 said:

@mrtrickster said:

going with MB
#13 Posted by Dextersinister (2894 posts) - 9 months, 8 days ago - Show Bio

I don't think non-phoenix Jean has ever touched Blacks best feats. He controlled an army of villains while making some of the insane ones sane and he rewrote some of Doomsday's brain.

#14 Posted by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - 9 months, 8 days ago - Show Bio

Manchester Black wins over non phoenix Jean

#15 Posted by Vaeternus (3966 posts) - 9 months, 8 days ago - Show Bio

MB

#16 Posted by Hohotask (23 posts) - 3 months, 16 days ago - Show Bio

@CitizenBane: You need to read the comics! Or atleast his bio on this page, i promise that you will change your mind about his TP!

#17 Posted by Deathstrokesrevenge (182 posts) - 2 months, 28 days ago - Show Bio

Manchester black FTW!!!!!!

#18 Posted by steelhound56 (1068 posts) - 2 months, 28 days ago - Show Bio

Manchester Black has got this if Jean doesnt have the Phoenix Force.

MB has the better TK feats for sure, and controlling a bunch of superpowered villians is an impressive TP showing.

#19 Posted by charlieboy (7023 posts) - 2 months, 28 days ago - Show Bio

Has he ever actually fought another telepath? He is powerful sure. But I don't know how he would handle as skilled a telepath as Jean.

#20 Posted by IcePrince_X (4162 posts) - 2 months, 28 days ago - Show Bio

just remove Jean's morals and make her blood lusted, she can win this using her tp and tk. I believe she is far more stronger than Manchester Black.

#21 Posted by dondave (7501 posts) - 2 months, 28 days ago - Show Bio

Manchester Black ftw

#22 Posted by charlieboy (7023 posts) - 2 months, 28 days ago - Show Bio

What has Manchester Black done with tk that is so impressive?

#23 Posted by Roddy010 (4354 posts) - 2 months, 28 days ago - Show Bio

@charlieboy said:

What has Manchester Black done with tk that is so impressive?

^^This. Jean has achieved telekinetic godhood on a molecular level what has he done to put him on that level.

#24 Posted by steelhound56 (1068 posts) - 2 months, 28 days ago - Show Bio

@charlieboy: He gave Supes a seizure/stroke once. He ruptured the blood vessels in his brain....

#25 Posted by charlieboy (7023 posts) - 2 months, 28 days ago - Show Bio

@steelhound56: Jean killed a morlock by telepathically turning their brain off. Similar feat. Jean generally doesn't kill but will if no other option presents itself.

#26 Posted by Roddy010 (4354 posts) - 2 months, 28 days ago - Show Bio

@steelhound56 said:

@charlieboy: He gave Supes a seizure/stroke once. He ruptured the blood vessels in his brain....

Is that all?

#27 Posted by charlieboy (7023 posts) - 2 months, 28 days ago - Show Bio

@Roddy010: We are using the standard Jean version from the gold team so this is well before Morrison's run. Also it is debatable if Jean was tapping into the Phoenix during that run.

#28 Posted by Roddy010 (4354 posts) - 2 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

@charlieboy said:

@Roddy010: We are using the standard Jean version from the gold team so this is well before Morrison's run. Also it is debatable if Jean was tapping into the Phoenix during that run.

Yeah that's right. (I completely skimmed over that part) Jean in the 90's had some pretty awesome feats too and yes it is debatable even though her powers have been explained to construct a phoenix raptor when she uses them at their peak which is a lot different than tapping into the actual Force.

#29 Posted by IcePrince_X (4162 posts) - 2 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

Not that I am stating that Sabretooth is stronger than Superman or they are of the same level but this scene shows and explain why Jean Grey somewhat downplays her power. She knows what she truly is capable of.

#30 Posted by Hyperlight (2053 posts) - 2 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

idk

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