Jean Grey vs Invisible Woman

Scenario one:  
 
Jean Grey before she is Phoenix, 
 
 Scenario Two:  
 
Jean Grey is Phoenix. 
 
 Scenario Three: 
 
Not using powers; just hand combat.   

Scenario Two: Invisible Woman was in this battle ? Doesn't look like it.

It's just them fighting, who would you think would win in a fight. I am not very good at typing what I'm trying to ask on here.

" It's just them fighting, who would you think would win in a fight. I am not very good at typing what I'm trying to ask on here. "

Well idk much about IW and Jean's h2h knowledge, so until further proof and evidence is shown, a stalemate for me.
Scenario 1- Can go either way.

jean 
1. jean
2. jean
3. IW

" It depends on the situation. If Invisible Woman is ambushing Jean Grey, then she would win. If the opposite, then the opposite would occur.  If the Invisible Woman is prepped for the confrontation, then she could easily ambush Jean Gray. If they randomly came across each other and decided to fight, if Jean Gray doesn't kill her in the first minute or so(easily possible given her powers) and allows her to survive while invisible, then she could probably win. Simply having the power of ability gives her great potential to assassinate or kill anyone who doesn't know she's coming. No matter how powerful, unless they have the ability to heal from life threatening wounds.  No clue about scenario 3. "

1. Invisible Woman (She's stopped Jean before)
2. Phoenix (That's a given)
3. Invisible Woman (She's been trained by Iron Fist!)

Invisible Woman
Jean Grey
Invisible Woman

Scenario 1: 50/50 - Depends on who strikes first  
Scenario 2: Jean Grey - In a horrific beat down 
Scenario 3: IW but not by much....her history in h2h is not extensive enough to say she could stomp Jean

Invisible woman
invisible woman, she can block Jhonny's super nova, why can't she block Phoenix Fiery attacks? , matter manipulation doesn't works if her shields are up,Jean Grey and Molecule man know this, and if sue is invisible she can't be detected for telepathy,or Jean wouldn't think she's a robot , cause she feels nothing coming from her, phoenix was defeated by wolverine cause she coudn't harm him, either can Sue, phoenix won't be able to hurt her, she can to create very thin discs, and hurl in phoenix before she attempts to move, and slice phoenix, she can create shields inside her body, and kill her, in her brain, in her heart, Phoenix can destroy the universe argument shoudn't be used, cause she needs to go to the sun and consume it, simply her fiery attacks can't destroy a planet like Jhonny's super nova.
Invisible woman , has got combat training from Iron fist , the thing, and she hulk

 altought Jean Grey is more powerfull than susan, she would lose for logic

I love Jean and Susan, they're my favorite characters in ultimate alliance, but I think sue can take Jean.
And I am creating a game they both will be playable, and maybe Raven, from the animated series, not the comics
 
please check the first video of my game, and my video in tribute to them:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpdm2wurVL4
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Scenario 1: Jean after an extensive fight because she is still pretty strong without the phoenix there
Scenario 2: We both know the answer to this
Scenario 3: Hmmm i would have to give it to .... Jean cuz she would anticipate the moves and fight back
 
Another scenario could be if the men in their lives came in and tried to protect them, who would win, may it be;
Mr. Fantastic vs. Cyclops    or     Mr. Fantastic vs. Wolverine??

1. Sue
2. Jean
3. Sue
   

1. IW

2. invisible woman can only get the powerful will to destroy with something to rage her like attacking her family if jean were to do that she could possibly win i also thing that that kind of power and will could make here use her psionic force fields to the point were she unknowingly uses some kind of telepathic power if jean were to anger her like that if not then she will loose to the pheonix

3 .IW

it really depends on the situation cuz it could go either way but im going with this

1. Sue

2. I think that if the Phoenix angered Invisible Woman enough that she could use a powerful amount of will power and could win like attacking her family but if not angered she will lose i also think that if she uses a powerful amount of will power that she could uknowingly gain telepathic powers by using her psionic powers at immense proportions

3. Sue

1.sue

2.jean

3. sue

Phoenix would stomp. all other rounds go to Sue.

@silverr: Wait ok WHAT

The phoenix power is far beyond anything Johnny could do.

An.the phoenix does not need to fly up to The sun to destroy a planet

Also when has Sue.show the ability to block Matter manipulation?

Round 1: either way really both are powerful

Round 2: Phoenix

Round 3: idk i would probably say Sue because I think she was taught in some for of martial arts. Jean knows some defensive moves an attack but she barley ever goes h2h since her mind is kinda like her hands lol

invisible woman doesnt win once? are you kidding me

@magnificentstorm:

she is immune to matter manipulation well her shields are.

I would say Jean Grey, the Force field defense, is useless against Jean Grey...When Sue successfully encased Jean into one, Jean was basically set back to zero. Her powers drained almost completely. Nonetheless, Jean has already proven to go through her shields, so I say Jean Grey easily takes this. Not to mention Jean's Phoenix Raptor (Not Phoenix Force) will cut through Sue's shield.

@patroklos: While I too am not fully convinced Sue force field could stop Jean's powers your 1st scan is from Ultimate X-Men (not canon) so it can't be used to support your argument for this battle.

round 1 is a toss up who ever reacts first i would say sue but could go either way.

round 2 phoenix jean stomps

round 3 sue wipes the floor withe her

@moorebman90: Oh stop with the bullshitt. If Jean made her angry she would still whoop her ass.

@patroklos said:

I would say Jean Grey, the Force field defense, is useless against Jean Grey...When Sue successfully encased Jean into one, Jean was basically set back to zero. Her powers drained almost completely. Nonetheless, Jean has already proven to go through her shields, so I say Jean Grey easily takes this. Not to mention Jean's Phoenix Raptor (Not Phoenix Force) will cut through Sue's shield.

what issue is the top scan from? :)

F*ck this

Sorry are veterans only allowed to debate like that?

sue

Sue
Jean Stomps
Sue

Round 1: Could go either way, but i think jean will win.

Round 2: Phoenix easily.

Round 3: I don't know their h2h combat feat :P

Jean all rounds.

Jean R1

Jean R2

Jean R3

Susan isn't too much of a challenge for Jean, Jean has a list of things she can do with her telekinesis and telepathy while Sue on the other hand can only create force fields, make force field blasts, make objects, people, creatures invisible oh and sue can change the color of objects which is kinda useless. I think Jean all rounds.

Woefully ignorant of Sue's capabilities.

OT: Jean probably loses pre Phoenix if that means Marvel Girl.

@professorrespect: I just listed Susan's abilities what did I not include?

Her actual versatility or any of the advantages. You literally just go "well Jean got TK/TP, Sue got force fields" despite said fields being far faster and more potent than TK or whatnot.

@professorrespect: I dont know to much about Susan but I do know that Jean's telekinesis is alot more valuable and stronger than Susan's ff's oh and lets not forget Jean can create force fields as well.

@professorrespect: Wow you're speechless.

No, I'm just not on CV every second to reply to everything, lol. I'd suggest reading up on Sue because the idea that Jean's TK is stronger than her own is very inaccurate. Jean isn't very potent when it comes to TK, she's not even a omega level.

Due to telepathy, Jean would beat Sue. Phoenix Jean would especially beat Sue.

However, Sue's force fields are far stronger than Jean's TK.

@geekryan: Since when did Sue's force fields become far stronger than Jean's telekinesis? Jean will probably be an omega level telekinetic soon if she already isn't.

Jean's TK, on average, is island-level. Sue, in the last few years, has received several feats that are way above island-level, including planetary-level, and more via scaling.

Jean is only Omega for telepathy, and the Omega title is nothing more than an accolade. Quentin Quire is also an Omega-level telepath but he doesn't have the feats to be near Jean's level.

Here are some recent feats for Sue:

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1) Blocks an attack from Annihilus

2) Blocks an attack stated as the "full force of a living sun"

3-4) Blocks a gamma blast from a bloodlusted Celestial She-Hulk

5) Blocks a punch from a bloodlusted Thing

6-10) Shields an entire planet for an extended period of time, keeping it invisible as well, and withstanding some punches from a bloodlusted Sentry

11) Blocks a blast from a hungry Galactus

@geekryan: But this is only Susan BLOCKING attacks, Jean's telekinesis can grasp, crush, break, heal, push, shield, blasts, shockwaves, levitate, reconstruct and create weapons.

@geekryan said:

@candymandy3366 said:

@geekryan: Since when did Sue's force fields become far stronger than Jean's telekinesis? Jean will probably be an omega level telekinetic soon if she already isn't.

Jean's TK, on average, is island-level. Sue, in the last few years, has received several feats that are way above island-level, including planetary-level, and more via scaling.

Jean is only Omega for telepathy, and the Omega title is nothing more than an accolade. Quentin Quire is also an Omega-level telepath but he doesn't have the feats to be near Jean's level.

Here are some recent feats for Sue:

Gallery

1) Blocks an attack from Annihilus

2) Blocks an attack stated as the "full force of a living sun"

3-4) Blocks a gamma blast from a bloodlusted Celestial She-Hulk

5) Blocks a punch from a bloodlusted Thing

6-10) Shields an entire planet for an extended period of time, keeping it invisible as well, and withstanding some punches from a bloodlusted Sentry

11) Blocks a blast from a hungry Galactus

Galactus was actually almost restored at full power and to add to your feats

To add to your feats recently she was actually able to knock the sh!t out of a group of X-Men and was stated to be more powerful then the likes of Storm and Iceman who are both omega level mutants If you want to argue using the omega level status