Jason Todd (New 52) vs Tim Drake (New 52)

They are in the amazon rain forest in a fight to see who can KO the other first. Both have all the usual tools. Go and please ask for clarification when needed. Yes, both have crossed paths before and fought each other before, but they get a maximum of 5 minutes prep time before the battle starts.

Jason Todd

They seemed to have made Tim younger in Teen Titans, but no less smarter that he was pre-52. With 5 minutes prep, I think he can handle Jason.

Does Tim get crowbar?

no

...With a severe lack of feats, anything that this produces is mere speculation. I'd say that while Todd has some decent skill displays, we have nothing to compare it against. Tim does have the flight advantage on the other hand.

@RyuHayabusa said:

Does Tim get crowbar?

hahaha u bastard.

Well Jason beat Tim to a pulp twice pre-Flashpoint, so I don't see why it'd be any different now.

@Nathaniel_Christopher said:

Well Jason beat Tim to a pulp twice pre-Flashpoint, so I don't see why it'd be any different now.

Got to it before I could.

Jason has been proven to be a lot more skilled in the New 52. In Outlaws there was even a scene where he beat Batman. It was a flashback though, not sure if it counts. He also seems to have a lot less rage.

Bruce Wayne admitted that Tim Drake was the best in all the departement in the New 52, compared to Jason and Dick.

Tim drake's only disadvantages are strength and a killer mentality. He should take this

some more disadvantages....experience, fighting ability, overall size and range, and jason is going to be carrying a bunch of lethal weapons(usual gear)

jason takes this fight 11/10

Tim actually got a all around skill boost in terms of origin compared to pre 52. I believe he's smarter as well but he isn't beating Jason.

Didn't Jason get an upgrade lately? I'm pretty sure he stomps currently.

We only have one quote from a scrapped title.

And no relevant feats that change anything about Tim's level.

They had their brief fight during Death of The Family. Tim was smarter and tricked Jason into walking straight into a flashbang, but then Jason was so skilled he fought on par with Tim while blind. Given that I personally feel it can go either way, intelligence is always a wildcard. Tim has the potential to put Jason down, but would a writer actually bother to emphasis tactics in a comic book fight? It doesn't happen often.

@nickzambuto: But I lol at Tim being more agile than Grayson because of one line.

And the entire New 52 showing otherwise.

Can Todd use venom?

Jason already bested him in Death in the Family.

JT

Todd.

Jason is a lot more skilled and a lot stronger. He takes this.

@shadowhuntr said:

@highlyevolved said:

Jason has been proven to be a lot more skilled in the New 52. In Outlaws there was even a scene where he beat Batman. It was a flashback though, not sure if it counts. He also seems to have a lot less rage.

Bruce Wayne admitted that Tim Drake was the best in all the departement in the New 52, compared to Jason and Dick.

I got the impression Bruce was calling Tim "the best" in reference to his drive, not his abilities. As in "striving to be the best".