***Credit to for the awesome idea***
Jason Bourne

VERSUS
Mad Dog

Location
Unpopulated. Fight can break into rooms.

Rules
-Random encounter.
-In character.
-Both are unarmed.
-Standard elimination rules apply.
-Begin 15 feet apart.
***Credit to @texasdeathmatch for the awesome idea***
Jason Bourne

Mad Dog

Unpopulated. Fight can break into rooms.

-Random encounter.
-In character.
-Both are unarmed.
-Standard elimination rules apply.
-Begin 15 feet apart.
I want to say Bourne but The Raid had almost Transporter like feats (1 guy going up against 10 opponents and not getting a scratch). Having said that they where always quick light movements that kept the enemy at a distance and everyone in The Raid seemed to have trouble once they where pinned or in very close quarters with the enemy.
I have a feeling if Jason got his hands on Mad Dog he'd instantly try and break his arm or do some proper damage rather than the fancy kicking stuff they were performing in The Raid.
So i'm leaning towards Jason as he's a lot more resourceful (a newspaper can be a weapon in his hands) but it could go either way depending on the circumstances.
He suffered quite a few injuries from all of those encounters. And, towards the end of the film, he was obviously fatigued.I want to say Bourne but The Raid had almost Transporter like feats (1 guy going up against 10 opponents and not getting a scratch). Having said that they where always quick light movements that kept the enemy at a distance and everyone in The Raid seemed to have trouble once they where pinned or in very close quarters with the enemy.
I have a feeling if Jason got his hands on Mad Dog he'd instantly try and break his arm or do some proper damage rather than the fancy kicking stuff they were performing in The Raid.
So i'm leaning towards Jason as he's a lot more resourceful (a newspaper can be a weapon in his hands) but it could go either way depending on the circumstances.
@Illuminatus said:
He suffered quite a few injuries from all of those encounters. And, towards the end of the film, he was obviously fatigued.
Yeah I realize that. Thats why I said Transporter-like feats and not Transporter type feats. I saw he got quite few injuries but the guy still took down a LOT of enemies
I'm still sticking with Bourne though.
I'll post my personal theories on how this fight could go when I get back. Off to see The Cabin in the Woods!
Well, that's a completely different character in the film we're talking about (the main protagonist), but its very feasible that someone could perform maneuvers like that with enough training and adrenaline pumping through their veins. What I noticed after all those encounters was that the director wanted you to feel that, as soon as the adrenaline stops being utilized by the body, the person has a strange look on their face as their chemical reactions in their brain attempts to correct themselves. Like I said, human beings can do some very outlandish things that they could never do normally without the use of adrenaline. Plus, the guys he was fighting for the most part had a decent level of martial-arts skill, but were crackheads/junkees with machetes that didn't realize they were going to be fighting an elite police officer that trained for encounters like this every day of his life (or so you're led to believe).@Illuminatus said:
He suffered quite a few injuries from all of those encounters. And, towards the end of the film, he was obviously fatigued.
Yeah I realize that. Thats why I said Transporter-like feats and not Transporter type feats. I saw he got quite few injuries but the guy still took down a LOT of enemies
I'm still sticking with Bourne though.
@Illuminatus: Oh I agree Mad Dog has a high durability and this could probably go either way.
I just feel Jason takes a slight majority (6/10) due to the fact I see his attacks as more precise and made to deal out maximum damage.
Mad Dog Vs Danny The Dog would be an interesting fight too.
@k4tzm4n said:
@jeanroygrant: Did you see the movie?
@Illuminatus: Excellent.
@k4tzm4n said:
@jeanroygrant: I mean The Raid: Redemption.
@k4tzm4n said:
@jeanroygrant: What do you know about Mad Dog if you haven't seen the movie? He has two epic fights and you haven't seen either :P
Hah nice.
Going with Mad Dog because of the setting. Jason Bourne usually uses his environment to get the edge with his opponent (pens, books). In his hallway, he won't have that advantage. And Mad Dog clearly displayed signs of superhuman durability, haha.
Hah nice. Going with Mad Dog because of the setting. Jason Bourne usually uses his environment to get the edge with his opponent (pens, books). In his hallway, he won't have that advantage. And Mad Dog clearly displayed signs of superhuman durability, haha.But, the fight is allowed to enter rooms. There's all kinds of fun things Jason could use to his advantage in the rooms..
Here's the thing: Mad Dog isn't a very big guy. Sure, size rarely accounts for anything when fighting someone who has inferior skill to your own, but Bourne is ridiculously skilled himself. He has a longer arm-reach and more body-mass per index to apply to hit strikes on Mad Dog. Mad Dog might be slightly more skilled and well-rounded, as well as quicker, but Bourne has the advantage of resourcefulness, CIA/Black Ops training, and more weight/height.
Overall, I give it too Bourne 5.5/10.
Daaaaaaaammn... You crazy k4tz.
@Illuminatus: I think Mad Dog's mind set is a hindrance as well. Despite his talents, he's a man seeking to relish the fight. Bourne is trying to end is ASAP. Regardless of the winner, this is going to be epic!
@Deranged Midget: Credit goes to TDM. I wanted a Mad Dog match, he suggested Bourne.
@k4tzm4n: Regardless, it's an epic bout indeed.
Honestly, this fight could go either way. Speed-wise, I say they are about even but Mad Dog took on more enemies at once than Bourne has, although the majority of Bourne's combatants were nearly on an equal footing as he. As for skill, I'm going to have to edge it out only slightly to Bourne only because he's a much more serious fighter and isn't afraid to utilize his environment to gain an advantage. I don't really think strength will play a factor in this fight but there's isn't really a difference regardless.
I'm giving Bourne the benefit of the doubt here.
Bourne is an all-round guy. Prep, random encounter, H2H, melee, ranged, etc. He's a master of em all. But Raid guys are beyond masters in terms of H2H.As was already stated, they were like superhumans. And so Bourne goes down here in a hard fight. But make it any other fight and he'd own them Indonesians. Heck, give him prep and he'll end that film in half an hour.
Side-note. Film version Bourne uses Kali Jeet-Kune-Do developed by Dan Inosanto (making it a quasi-Filipino MA) and the Raid guys use Silat. If I ever see a real fight with these two badass martial arts from Southeast Asia, I can die a happy man. :D
@k4tzm4n:
Ranged - Bourne
Melee - Mad Dog
@k4tzm4n:
Seen the movie (Raid multiple times), I would make an assumption that Mad Dog in under Meth or PCP since they are in a drug lab tenement. The fun thing about this match is that both these guys don't #@ %$ around with acrobatics but they for the kill. The thing is that in the movies bourne had a lot of difficulty against desh (ultimatum) because they are similar in skillsets, while Mad Dog tore his way through the characters like a soldering iron through a jello mold until he reaches Rama and Andi (both whom have kicked hundreds of ass, and whom Mad Dog can kill one on one). Going by feats I go with Mad Dog.



@Rumble Man: Very interesting point regarding the drugs. I honestly never thought to make that connection when it comes to his insane level of pain tolerance.
Always nice to meet a fellow Raid fan. Check out the last page of the thread below for the director giving an update about the remake and sequels.
@k4tzm4n: Then again looking at bourne I would have to say
Not impressed (I guess the raid has saturated fight scenes in movies)
Bourne breaks into a room and uses a weapon of some kind to kill him. He's a trained CIA operative. Fighting fair is for fools.
Great thread, though. Never would have thought of this one.
@Strider92: You ain't lying..Jason beat a dude down with a book. However I have yet to see the raid.
@k4tzm4n: YES I DO I DO I DO I DOOO OOOO lol
I'm going Mad Dog. Bourne is impressive but when i was at the theater watching the raid i was more impressed by him
@k4tzm4n:
As crazy as that fight was, I still think Bourne is taking it. Bourne is not as flashy as the Raid but he is much more brutal and resourceful IMO. My guess is that Mad Dog is going to have to fight with a broken bone at some point in the fight and it would just be downhill from there.
Bumpity bump
reason: more people would have watched the movie by now so we can have more opinions
@k4tzm4n: is it both scores or just the crummy shinoda one?
@k4tzm4n said:
@Rumble Man said:
@k4tzm4n: is it both scores or just the crummy shinoda one?
Just bought the blu-ray, and according to the back of the box it has both scores.
I love you man, gonna buy that sh!t now...
@k4tzm4n:
What would you rate the movie from 1-10?
Cause it looks really cool and I want to buy it, but I don't know if it's worth it.
I'm still saying Bourne would win here. He's a far more efficient and brutal fighter than Mad Dog is. He won't be afraid to utilize anything to his advantage and I'm expecting to break a limb early on as he seemingly has the possible strength and weight advantage.
@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:
@k4tzm4n:
What would you rate the movie from 1-10?
Cause it looks really cool and I want to buy it, but I don't know if it's worth it.
As an action film? 15 out of 10.
As a film in general? 8.5 out of 10.
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