Janemba Vs Kid Buu

Janemba should be able to stomp if not then at least he's gonna win

Janeba wins. SSJ3 Goku states that he would've beaten kid buu had he gone all out right away instead of taking his time and allowing vegeta a turn. Janeba pretty muched rekt ssj3 goku

Kid Buu FTW

Guys kid but is stronger than janemba because 1st they needed goku - vegeta - trunks - gohan - goku' little son and vegeto just to make him reach the kid Buu state and even after that they needed the help of fat buu and 1 spiritual bomb and even a wish from the dragon to just restore goku's power because kid buu had the ability to catch the bomb and relocate it

But janemba just needed goku and vegeta and that green man and one fusion to beat him

It was an hour fight but the fight with kid buu only took 3 hours

super janemba does not have an attack that can completely destroy buu,so he will regenerate over and over again . buu can also destroy planets with an attack . now i don't know if that would be a concern for janemba since he can teleport and i don't know if he can survive the vacuum of space but i just thought i'd throw that out there

What about 1st form janemba?

On feats alone, I think Kid Buu. He has more displays of power than Janemba.

Both him and Jenemba took on SSJ3 Goku and won. The only difference is that Kid Buu was toying around more. He is more sadistic. You can see this difference when they both fight Vegeta. Jenemba deals with him quicker. Kid Buu tortures him.

Kid Buu just has more displays of regeneration, power, durability, and skill than Jenemba does.

Not sure, wanna say Janemba but gut is telling me Buu

Goku himself stated that he could've beaten Kid Buu if he went all out from the beginning. Goku stood no change against Janemba.

Janemba stomps.

Let's see: SSJ3 Goku = Kid Buu. Janemba effortless stomped SSJ3 Goku, so I think the winner is clear.

imo janemba is stronger and wins but only if he can wipe away every trace of kid buu to a cellular level wich isnt that easy.

Janemba wins

@tony_shark: kid buu didn't win against goku

He fought him to an stalemate until ssj3 took it's toll on goku's body

@oldmagic: Kid Buu is the strongest Buu not because he has more power inside of him, but because he has the most usable power. Kid Buu + Grand Supreme Kai > Kid Buu, but Fat Buu < Kid Buu, because Buu could not use the extra power. That's all there is to it.

Kid Buu is the strongest Buu not because he has more power inside of him, but because he has the most usable power.

implied muliple times super buu > kid buu.

kid buu didn't win against goku

He fought him to an stalemate until ssj3 took it's toll on goku's body

outlasting someone is a win

Let's see: SSJ3 Goku = Kid Buu. Janemba effortless stomped SSJ3 Goku, so I think the winner is clear.

poor abc logic. kid buu is nearly invulnerable to all of janembas arsenal. no matter what happens, he regenerates good as new

Goku himself stated that he could've beaten Kid Buu if he went all out from the beginning. Goku stood no change against Janemba.

no he did not. he admits he had been going all out the entire time and needed one minute of continous charging to get enough power to wipe out every cell. time janemba does not have. kid buu is relentless and cant be truly harmed

SSJ3 Goku states that he would've beaten kid buu had he gone all out right away instead of taking his time and allowing vegeta a turn.

again nonsense. this never happened. the opposite did. goku admits multiple times hes been going all out the whole time but simply cannot win unless hes given time via stalling to charge up

Janeba pretty muched rekt ssj3 goku

because he couldnt reform! kid buu will reform infinitely

Janemba easily, Goku had similar power to Kid Buu but he had to fuse to fight Janemba.

so what? he still cant put kid buu down

How is this even a debate? Goku stated clear as day that he was messing around with Kid Buu so that Vegeta could have his shot against him

no he didnt. in both japanese version and the manga its made clear he was going all out from the start and still could barely keep up let alone get a good shot off of kamehameha

. SSJ3 Goku was more than capable of incinerating Kid Buu.

yes if he had 1 minute of uninterrupted charging. which he wouldnt have gotten in a 1 v 1.and even then its implied it wouldnt work because he opted for genkidama rather than restored stamina

Janemba wiped the floor with SSJ3 Goku.

because he cant reform!

1) I'm sorry but people who say Fat Buu is stronger than Kid Buu should stop calling themselves DBZ fans due to their ill knowledge. He kicked Fat Buu's ass hard after he was spewed out by Kid Buu in the last DBZ saga.

your the one with ass knowledge. good buu fought kid buu, not fat buu. good buu had a fraction of fat buus power due to evil grey buu taking most of the power with him

janemba can reality warp.

low level and nothing that would truly put buu down

Janemba is leagues above Kid Buu.

but cannot win. its basically rhino vs T-1000.

Goku is less fatigued in his SSJ3 state when he's dead and Janemba was owning him so Janemba beat's buu.

goku cant reform from the vast majority of damage. buu can. he reformed from vapor. gotenks tried with all his might to find a way to keep buu down but he kept bouncing back.

Buuhan is only SLIGHTLY stronger than Janemba.

based on?

Janemba, he took on SSJ3 Goku and SSJ3 Vegeta and still bested both of em. Goku destroys Kid Buu with the Super Spirit Bomb while he needs to fuse with Vegeta to beat Janemba. Janemba 7/10

again kid buu was besting those 2 as well. you just admitted goku could not win alone vs either of them. and im sure even if vegeta was willing, they couldnt use fusion because unlike janemba kid buu wouldnt just sit around and wait for them to perfect it. its PIS that they got it right on the second try vs janemba!

like ive told so many others janemba simply cant put buu down. gotenks thought blowing him to pieces and burning the pieces would work. NOPE.

Reasoning? I'd hesitate to even put him above Gohan.

because gogeta is vegetto, except just created with a different method

I believe if Janemba uses all his power in one single attack, and super buu just stands there. (Which would never happen. I'm just voicing my opinion on his power.) he would wipe super buu from existence.

but hes not smart enough to try. gotenks repeatedly believed reducing him to burned bits would be effective. and thats a quite genius mind at work, janemba would just slash and slash, and get more and more mad and sloppy.

o, if you watch the episode that Supreme Kai told the story about Buu you will know the truth, Kid Buu is the most powerful incarnation not the strongest

no he didnt. read the manga

Kid Buu is dangerous becauseof his energy powers too, when Goku and Vegeta fought him they said he is the most powerful of the incarnations a

no they didnt

Anyway, here's a short explanation for Janemba's victory here:

SSJ3 Goku = Kid Buu

Janemba > SSJ3 Goku

That should be all...

how can janemba harm kid buu? goku wasnt doing SHIT to him. and he knew it.

Kid Boo was fighting equally against SSJ 3, even Goku said that if he could reach his maximum power he will wipe out Boo from existence.

so what makes you think janemba could or would do something similar and make a large enough beam to wipe him out?

and it wasnt equal. goku was barely keepig up and needed a distraction to "reach his max" power.

Janemba is more powerful than Kid Buu. SSJ3 Goku was equal to Kid Buu, whereas Janemba destroyed SSJ3 Goku.

but he cant actually put down kid buu or predict all the hax that buu is capable of. absorption, candy ray etc. if gotenks was losing his mind trying to think of a way to put buu down for good, a stupid thug like janemba wont think of a way.

You forget that Goku was stronger when he fought Janemba than when he fought Kid Buu (

no evidence of this whatsoever. the timelines are wierd with the films and movie 12 could easily be after buus defeat given they make reference to buu in the film. so that menas buu is dead in the movie 12 timeline. they should be equal.

I think Janemba will win is because he really wont receive any damage from Kid Buu

he can tire, buu cant. and buu can absorb him

The one that was fat and yellow

Whats so sad about this is none of you are dragonball fans just watched all the fight scenes and think what ignorant thought comes to mind. 1st off janemba cant beat kid buu. One kid buu power is great greater than anything in the dbz verse. secondly hands down buu is a beast janembas strong but kid buu is a monster who can assimilate any power he sees and can upscale his strength based on opponent if need be. The other thing is too the fools from the 1st page there are actually 3 iterations of buu and kid buu power surpasses all of them if you watch the anime in japanese and read the damn manga he explains that the original grand kai got absorbed into buu to intentionally suppress his power. Without the grand kaio suppressing it free from him kid buu power is literally unsurpasable goku did not kill buu with his power he used the power of all the universe not just earth.

@shenlong: Kid Buu isn't the strongest, he's the most ruthless. Super Buu with Absorbed Piccolo and Gohan is the strongest Buu.

@fortee86gransz: "Whats so sad about this is none of you are dragonball fans just watched all the fight scenes and think what ignorant thought comes to mind."

-I'm a fan.

"1st off janemba cant beat kid buu."

-yes he can, easilly.

"One kid buu power is great greater than anything in the dbz verse."

-Completely untrue. He was weaker than Super Buu, much less Buutenks or Buuhan.

"secondly hands down buu is a beast"

-and Janemba is an OG killa

"janembas strong but kid buu is a monster who can assimilate any power he sees"

-Janemba has roughly similar stats and heavy reality warping hax. GG

"and can upscale his strength based on opponent if need be."

-No he cant. If someone is stronger than him, they're stronger. Period. Unless he absorbs something.

"The other thing is too the fools from the 1st page there are actually 3 iterations of buu and kid buu power surpasses all of them"

-Nope, just fat Buu and evil buu.

"if you watch the anime in japanese and read the damn manga he explains that the original grand kai got absorbed into buu to intentionally suppress his power."

-Remedied when evil Buu dominated good buu.

"Without the grand kaio suppressing it free from him kid buu power is literally unsurpasable"

-except when it is surpassed, multiple times, by multiple characters.

"goku did not kill buu with his power he used the power of all the universe not just earth."

-he used power FROM the universe, an insignificant portion compared to how much there is overall.

@thelocust619: Prove janemba is stronger than kid buu. Goku handled janemba easily it wasnt till janemba warping that goku was actually if u can even say defeated goku and vegeta only fused to beat janemba warping. Power which really wasnt all that secondly he died from an attack buu could regen from janeba is not on buus level so much so the bout between janemba was serious in ssj3 goku was handling janemba easily he wasnt that great at all. At ssj3 in buu battle goku was trying his hardest he used so much power he had vegeta pull a rope a dope in order for him to build up a genki dama plz ur janemba love is weak as ur credibility.

@fortee86gransz:

GT SSJ3 Goku > Z SSJ3 Goku

Given Goku had to merge to defeat Janemba, you're horribly incorrect that Buu is stronger. Jenembas power level should be leagues above Buu

Let's see

Goku said he might have been able to beat Kid Buu

Goku got completely annihilated by Janemba and forced to fuse.

Hmmmmm

@iragexcudder: that wasnt gt super saiyan 3 goku 1st off so lets get that out the way. Secondly janemba should be power doesnt equate to kid buu toying with goku and vegeta like a child like i explained earlier kid buu is not the same as the other incarnations and power still surpasses super buu with mystic gohan power. They even asked why his power is even greater than before. Secondly kid buu would pprobably kill janemba off gp just sensing his malice intent. And with his speed and power seeing janemba uses his power he d probably snatch him out of it and literally curb stomp him. I like janemba but i watched and read dbz i know the limits janemba had more vicious killer intent so he was a more vicious disabling attacker going for the kill kid buu had way more power he could easily have dismantled goku and vegeta but hes op so he played with them. Janemba was not op strong yes nice techniques but his power and buu power are on different dimensions. And kid buU is literally destruction incarnate hence the name kid buu as in the nature belying a child with lots and lots and lots of power.

Neither character is stomping the other. This is actually a pretty close fight. We're going to have to use Goku as a measuring stick

A dead SSJ3 Goku was somewhat able to hold his own initially against Jenemba and even managed to inflict pain on him. However, it did not last long and Jenemba got the upper hand when he started utilising his warping abilities. He subsequently overwhelmed Goku when he took at his sword and stomped him pretty easily.

Kid Buu and Goku were engaged in short skirmish and the two were even. Both were equally marked up and bruised. Goku even tanked a Kamehameha. The issue with Kid Buu in the fight was that he had stamina superior stamina and could keep regenerating from Goku's attacks. Goku could have killed him earlier, but due Buu's quick regeneration, he did not get the chance to gather his Ki for the attack needed to wipe him out wholly hence needed a minute to gather his Ki.

Based on this, I would give Jenemba the power advantage over Kid Buu. He easily stomped a dead SSJ3 Goku with with his sword, who can better utilise SSJ3. It would be a long fight due to Kid Buu's regeneration and stamina, but Jenemba is capable of nullifying/redirecting Buu's Ki attacks through dimension warping and can attack from distance with his sword. His reality warping abilitiy used in conjunction with his sword would be the icing on the cake, here.

The only chance Buu has is if he manages to hit him with his candy beam or absorbs him.

@fortee86gransz: "Prove janemba is stronger than kid buu."

-show me where I said that :)

"Goku handled janemba easily"

-You mean...couldn't do anything to him? Sure.

"it wasnt till janemba warping that goku was actually if u can even say defeated"

-it literally wasn't a fight, Goku had no chance and Janemba literally toyed with him, displaying several times he could kill him casually.

"goku and vegeta only fused to beat janemba warping"

-proof? Otherwise, they fused to beat Janemba. Period. Janemba was reality warping literally the entire time.

"Power which really wasnt all that"

-You mean power so overwhelming it spilled into an entirely different dimension, and post EOZ SS3 Goku couldn't even come close to beating it.

"secondly he died from an attack buu could regen from"

-Buu never tanked Gogeta's attack, and no evidence exists saying he could.

"janeba is not on buus level"

-opinion, and its wrong based on showings, feats, powerscaling, statements....take your pick.

"so much so the bout between janemba was serious in ssj3 goku was handling janemba easily he wasnt that great at all."

-you mean against the child form so far above him it barely even realized it was in a fight? Lol

"At ssj3 in buu battle goku was trying his hardest he used so much power he had vegeta pull a rope a dope in order for him to build up a genki dama"

-a weaker SS3 Goku than the one that fought janemba, and even then he states he could probably handle kid buu at full power. When he was returned to full power, he easilly and completely overpowered Buu's push as a regular SSJ, even though Buu was easilly pushing back prior.

"plz ur janemba love is weak as ur credibility."

-says the guy with 70 posts who is literally trying to argue that kid buu is the strongest in Z (Super Buu, Buutenks, Buuhan, Vegito, and Mystic Gohan say hi), and was even just corrected by someone with literally 100x your experience on this site (7,000 posts). Funny thing is, I don't need to insult you back to discredit you. You're doing it to yourself, you poor thing.

@fortee86gransz: and Kid Buu never fought Super Vegito

@precrisisbardock: when did i say he did?

Janemba

Let me explain this janemba movie this movie occurs in a dimension where goku beat buu the 1st time in ssj3. So he returns to the afterlife, goku strength is nowhere near the kid buu fight strength. Because you have to take in the times recovered so. Janemba being stronger than kid buu he is not. Gogeta is a lower fusion it puts his strength actually at kid buu strength. With potara the fusion is powerful more so than the fusion dance. Fan favorite janemba is strong as buu he is not.

@fortee86gransz: You said against Janemba they had to fuse and janemba didn't last, the only way that would be valid is if Kid Buu fought Super Vegito and lasted longer, which he didn't.

Janemba.

@precrisisbardock: no it is a basis for strengh measuring its already side story canon super buu gohan mix is stronger than janemba vastly stronger. If u read the manga goku says kid buu is waay more powerful hes been giving it his all. This is unkai state kid buu he never released his ki seriously if you wacth the janemba movie ssj3 is literally beating super janembas ass janemba is ppsychic and losing he warps once then coiunters annd goku dodges the attk then falls back on a wtf?? And starts running janemba picks up rock transforms into sword and chases goku never fought janemba seriously. Vegeta show up gets yoked out and turns into vagina and gives up janemba is not a threat. The hardcore fanboyism is greatly over exaggeratting his strength, over coming vegeta is not a hurdle he got a glass jaw, he did not fight on par nor beat a ssj3 he whipped a sword out and goku ran the rezt of the fight after getting cut. If this is ur uber battle card. Plz plz do pray tell who is ur ace mr.satan. i mean buu literally went toe to toe and playfully nearly destroyed kaioshin planet. Goku admitted kid buus out of his league he cant let kid buu get serious. Not only did he tank him he tanked vegeta as well, goku knew his kid buu fight was getting nowhere he dont lose power and he dont fatigue. Whats janemba gonna do against that he takes damage from curse words hed probably die from watever kid buu would utter his way in his kid buu language. But kid buu would kill janemba hes only at base super buus strength smh.

@fortee86gransz: "no matter what you say janemba cant beat kid buu"

-meaning, no matter what anyone says, you won't change your opinion. That is bias, and you now have literally no ground to stand on. You just admitted your opinion is incapable of changing regardless of the information presented. Game over, for you.

"Fact."

-wrong, as proven.

 "Kid buu beat goku buu and vegeta fighting playfully"

-Janemba was playful. Buu was ruthless.

 "only person who knows for sure is Akira Toriyama"

-and anyone who fully read/watched his work.

 "and the fact of the matter is as it stands goku had to have a ton of power to vanquish buu he could not do otherwise solo no matter whats said."

-because he didn't have time to gather his ki. But what's the sense of explaining this to someone who admits he refuses to listen.

 "Fighting janemba they had to fuse."

-yea. Fighting kid buu, they didnt. Done.

"Yalll give janemba too much credibility when he didnt even last 5 seconds against gogeta."

-neither would buu, you still have no point. This is pathetic. You're done, you can't provide anything to back your case nor will you listen to anything reasonable. Buh bye

Janemba. Far stronger.

@fortee86gransz: lol try me when someone actually agrees with you

@fortee86gransz

Kid buu beat goku buu and vegeta fighting playfully

Kid Buu gave Vegeta one the biggest beat downs in the show. Yet, for some reason, he couldn't do it to Goku and fought evenly with him.

as it stands goku had to have a ton of power to vanquish buu he could not do otherwise solo no matter whats said.

Well, the manga says otherwise.

Fighting janemba they had to fuse.

They also had to fuse to beat Super Buu and all the forms that followed.

Yalll give janemba too much credibility when he didnt even last 5 seconds against gogeta.

The thing is, neither would Kid Buu.

So he returns to the afterlife, goku strength is nowhere near the kid buu fight strength.

And how did you come to this conclusion? Goku did not magically get a power boost from sitting around in other world. In fact, he was arguably stronger against Jenemba than he was against Kid Buu as he did not have the strain of SSJ3 on his living body. He could fight all out without his Ki drain.

Gogeta is a lower fusion it puts his strength actually at kid buu strength.

This logic is doesn't work. How is it possible for Gogeta be weaker than Kid Buu when the latter was on par with Goku, who is only a part of Gogeta?

Moreover, there are statements from manga that disprove your claim.

Gogeta>Kid Buu.

This is unkai state kid buu he never released his ki seriously

This is a baseless.

i mean buu literally went toe to toe and playfully nearly destroyed kaioshin planet

When did this happen?

Goku admitted kid buus out of his league he cant let kid buu get serious.

When did Goku say this?

goku knew his kid buu fight was getting nowhere he dont lose power and he dont fatigue.

That is not the same as being outclassed in power. Buu's stamina doesn't give him a power advantage over Goku. It just means he doesn't get tired. 17 had the same advantage yet the fight between him and Piccolo was still pretty much even. Moreover, Kid Buu was able to beat Good Buu to the point where his Ki ran. Vegito was beaten Buuhan so badly that his regeneration was getting slower. Buu has limitations.

Goku could not deal long term damage on Buu because of his fast regeneration speed. Buu can only be killed by a large Ki blast that would envelope him wholly and wipe out every trace of him. The opportunity did not present it self to Goku during their skirmish and he was unable to get that kind of attack off while still at full strength, due to the fast pacing of their fight and Buu's persistence. Thats why Goku needed to gather his Ki for a minute.

But kid buu would kill janemba hes only at base super buus strength smh.

Super Buu is stronger than Kid Buu. Goku can fight on par with the former and can beat him with an amplified Ki blast at full power. He would get stomped by the former, by his own omission.

@thelocust619: lmao u havent read this thread all the way then queer bait every real fan argues my same point. so whats ur next excuse? Cuz the band wagon train has left the station

@fortee86gransz:

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@thelocust619: lmao u havent read this thread all the way then queer bait every real fan argues my same point. so whats ur next excuse? Cuz the band wagon train has left the station"

-well, someone's getting banned :)

@gxrevolution96: did you even read those scans you posted they dont win the arguement with a wouldve couldve becuz if he could have it would have been done why didnt you post the next couple of pages matter if fact why not post the janemba battle its on youtube, janemba is not fighting like the hyped up warrior you all claim

Goku SSJ3 Vs. Janemba (720p HD): https://youtu.be/do6xlluMF2E

matter of fact he doesnt really fight goku so all janemba claims are literally denied. heres my proof where does janemba commit this great ass kicking. Want me to post buu fight and add commentary with a punch by punch play count. Actions speak louder than claims.

And i dnt kno wat u read or watch but i go by anime in japanses with subs for my version not the american bs and goku admits buus power is greater in both english and jap. Secondly ur u cant compare potara to fusion dance its been stated the potara greatley increase the power over fusion dance. Dragonball facts guy learn em. In comparison buu never lost That much power from buuhan to kid buu buu. If you cant comprehend whats being said and taking it directly as is you shouldnt be trying to debate.

@gxrevolution96: excellent post, but don't bother. This guy is the reason we can't have nice things. Just flag him, any more will likely get DBZ banned again due to his inability to discuss the topic like an adult and his tendancy to fall back on childish insults. Please don't contribute to his ruining this for everyone...

@fortee86gransz

did you even read those scans you posted they dont win the arguement with a wouldve couldve becuz if he could have it would have been done

Goku's statement is never contradicted and if you have in fact read the manga, you would know that the only reason Goku failed was because he started losing his Ki after almost reaching full power, again, due to the ki drain of SSJ3.

pages matter if fact why not post the janemba battle its on youtube, janemba is not fighting like the hyped up warrior you all claim

I am not hyping Jenemba. I am merely going by what was shown. Yes, Goku did get a couple of hits in Jenemba(which pale in comparison to the number of hots he was bale to land on Chibi), which I mentioned in my earlier post( I recommend you read it, because I even stated that this would be a close match). But when Janemba pulls out that sword, Goku gets stomped and falls out of SSJ3 and starts running, which Kid Buu wasn't even able to do. This all taking into account the fact that he is dead, meaning he can better utilise SSJ3

heres my proof where does janemba commit this great ass kicking. Want me to post buu fight and add commentary with a punch by punch play count.

You have not provided proof of anything. All you have done so far is derail this thread with unsupported statements and conjecture. You are also yet to address my points.

-Janemba was playful. Buu was ruthless.

nope the opposite is true. kid buu favored slow sadistic beatdowns in all his showings

Fighting kid buu, they didnt. Done.

goku admits they should have

-a weaker SS3 Goku than the one that fought janemba, and even then he states he could probably handle kid buu at full power. When he was returned to full power, he easilly and completely overpowered Buu's push as a regular SSJ,

are you implying goku ssj1 > kid buu? theres also no evidence hes weaker vs kid buu than vs janemba

With potara the fusion is powerful more so than the fusion dance.

proof?

Secondly ur u cant compare potara to fusion dance its been stated the potara greatley increase the power over fusion dance

no it hasnt. all thats been said is that potara has no time limit

Goku could not deal long term damage on Buu because of his fast regeneration speed. Buu can only be killed by a large Ki blast that would envelope him wholly and wipe out every trace of him.

which janemba is too stupid to try

Yalll give janemba too much credibility when he didnt even last 5 seconds against gogeta.

would kid buu?

Gogeta is a lower fusion it puts his strength actually at kid buu strength.

your taking the supposed "potara > dance" crap way too far. gogeta, if he is weaker than vegetto, its only by a tiny amount. gogeta can beat buuhan just as easily

e did not have the strain of SSJ3 on his living body. He could fight all out without his Ki drain.

ssj3 causes strain either way

When did Goku say this?

Chapter: 517 (DBZ 323), P5.4

Context: after Goku tells Dende to heal good Boo

Goku: “Well, it’s alright, ain’t it Vegeta? This Boo and Mister Satan both did well. If these two hadn’t been here, then we and everyone else would have been done in. Right?”

Chapter: 510 (DBZ 316), P13.5

Context: after Super Saiyan 3 Goku explains he needs to gather ki for 1 minute to defeat pure Boo

Goku: “Dammnit~~~If it was with the Potara, I could have done it in one blast. …..Cheh~~~I guess I went and showed off too much. But I thought things would go a little better than this…!”

but Jenemba is capable of nullifying/redirecting Buu's Ki attacks through dimension warping and can attack from distance with his sword. His reality warping abilitiy used in conjunction with his sword would be the icing on the cake, here.

janembas too stupid to figure out how ot put buu down. and his reality warping is unconscious ie he cant control it.

Goku said he might have been able to beat Kid Buu

Goku got completely annihilated by Janemba and forced to fuse.

yet later on goku syas he underestimated kid buu and should have fused against him.

janemba only started winning when he landed slices with his magic sword, which is worthless vs kid buu. janemba would get more and more pissed off as his every attack fails miserably to harm buu

@uft Are you replying to me? Because going though your last post, It seems you've quoted me and two other users out of order, without specifying who you are aiming it at. In any case, I am just going to quote the points that I think are aimed at me.

ssj3 causes strain either way

No, it doesn't.

Goku being dead when he fought Jenemba, would not have had this issue.

Chapter: 517 (DBZ 323), P5.4

Context: after Goku tells Dende to heal good Boo

Goku: “Well, it’s alright, ain’t it Vegeta? This Boo and Mister Satan both did well. If these two hadn’t been here, then we and everyone else would have been done in. Right?”

Chapter: 510 (DBZ 316), P13.5

Context: after Super Saiyan 3 Goku explains he needs to gather ki for 1 minute to defeat pure Boo

Goku: “Dammnit~~~If it was with the Potara, I could have done it in one blast. …..Cheh~~~I guess I went and showed off too much. But I thought things would go a little better than this…!”

And no where in that quote does Goku admit that "he is out of his league".

Goku is emphasising how much easier it would have been had they used the Potara, saying that he could have done it with "one blast". He doesn't say that he cant beat him.

It is also interesting how you conveniently left out the first half of that quote. But allow me.

It is as I said before, Goku did not get the chance to gather his Ki for a full power attack that would wipe Buu out entirely. The opportunity never presented itself due to Buu's super fast regeneration and stamina, which didn't give Goku the time to unleash his attack. By the time they take an intermission[When Vegeta approaches him] he is no longer in a state where can unleash the attack for maximum effect hence has to gather his Ki for a minute for a full power blast

janembas too stupid to figure out how ot put buu down.

And the latter is smarter?

I can just as easily reverse your statement; Kid Buu is too stupid to figure out how to put Janemba down. Whats more, he has no counter for Jenemba's reality warping ability.

and his reality warping is unconscious ie he cant control it.

He sure can

I know these weren't directed at me but I feel compelled to address them

Proof

Yet later on goku syas he underestimated kid buu and should have fused against him.

He did not bank Buu's regeneration and stamina. Outside of that, the two were evenly matched in their skirmish and went blow for blow. Piccolo was slightly stronger than Piccolo and defiantly more skilled, but was disadvantaged by 17's infinite stamina.

And again, Goku never said he "should have fused". He merely makes the point that it would have been easier<Being the operative word here.

janemba only started winning when he landed slices with his magic sword, which is worthless vs kid buu.

And why are we assuming that Jenemba's sword wouldn't damage or hurt Buu? He stomped a SSJ3 Goku who fought on par with Goku.

janemba would get more and more pissed off as his every attack fails miserably to harm buu

More like, Kid Buu will get more frustrated as every Ki he attack he fires gets redirected back at his face.

Context: after Goku drops out of Super Saiyan 3

Goku: “Da-dammit…When I was dead, it was no problem at all…It seems that in the end, becoming a Super Saiyan 3 with a living body eats up an excessive amount of ki…”

neverthless hes not used to it even in the afterlife.

And no where in that quote does Goku admit that "he is out of his league".

but he neverthless does so, admitting later on without good buu and mr satan, hed be dead

I can just as easily reverse your statement; Kid Buu is too stupid to figure out how to put Janemba down. Whats more, he has no counter for Jenemba's reality warping ability.

you could but youd be stupid to do so. janemba beats himself via tiring out. and a repeated pounding from someone he cant permanently hurt.

And why are we assuming that Jenemba's sword wouldn't damage or hurt Buu? He stomped a SSJ3 Goku who fought on par with Goku.

because he fucking cant, idiot. because kid buu regenerates from anything and everything, and most powerful thing the sword sliced was goku's shoulder. the thing that made him get an advantage over goku is worthless here.

More like, Kid Buu will get more frustrated as every Ki he attack he fires gets redirected back at his face.

kid buu is too insane to care. he'd regen endlessly, but janemba cannot

. By the time they take an intermission[When Vegeta approaches him] he is no longer in a state where can unleash the attack for maximum effect hence has to gather his Ki for a minute for a full power blast

and then he unexpectedly fails to. meaning the plan was never a viable option and he never was going ot be able to do what he siad he could do. evidenced here

Chapter: 511 (DBZ 317), P8.3-5, P10.4

Context: as Goku gathers ki, while Vegeta holds off pure Boo

Goku: “Just a little more…….!! Just a little bit more. Tough it out for me, Vegeta….!!”

Vegeta: “St…still not yet?...Hurry up…..!! I’ll be ki…..killed………..!!”

Goku: “Sh-shit…! It-it’s already over 1 minute, but…N-not yet! I still can’t wipe out Boo with this much…! [ ] …Da...Damn it……..!! …I haven’t gathered all the ki!! What’s going on? He…he’ll be killed…..!!!”

Chapter: 512 (DBZ 318), P1.6

Context: Vegeta asks Goku if he’s gathered enough ki to defeat Boo yet

Goku: “I…I know..! I know, but…It’s strange… I gathered my ki close to full power, but…The ki which I al…already gathered has begun falling off…!”

Chapter: 512 (DBZ 318), P10.3-5

Context: still with the ki-charging business

Vegeta: “Ka…Kakarot…!! …Cut it out…! How long will it take? Do…do it now…N…not yet? Have you still not gathered the ki...!?”

Goku: “Da…Damn it…Damn it…!! …It shouldn’t be…It shouldn’t be like this…!! My…my power…my power is…Fa…falling off…”

*he reverts from Super Saiyan 3 back into his regular state*

@uft

neverthless hes not used to it even in the afterlife.

Are you being serious? His outright says that its wasn't an issue "When I was dead, it was no problem at all… This literally cannot be interpreted any other way. Just also look to Goku's reaction upon dropping out of SSJ3 when he realised he couldn't hold it. He was surprised and confused, and quickly deduced that it must have been his living body.

but he neverthless does so, admitting later on without good buu and mr satan, hed be dead

Again, Goku never admits to anything of the sorts.

His later statement was in reference to Hercule and Mr Buu's participation in the Genki Dama's success. Had Mr Buu not charged Chibi and Mr Satan not carried Vegeta to safety, Goku would not have been able to launch the bomb ergo Kid Buu probably would have disrupted the attack all together.

janemba beats himself via tiring out. and a repeated pounding from someone he cant permanently hurt.

Baseless

Kid Buu still has no counter for Jenemba's reality warping.

kid buu is too insane to care. he'd regen endlessly, but janemba cannot

Not true. It been shown that Buu's regeneration and stamina is not unlimited. Vegetto beat Buuhan so badly that the latter's regeneration got slower and slower as the fight progressed. Kid Buu beat Good Buu to the point where the he ran out of Ki.

Kid Buu launches a Ki attack or charges at Jenemba….well

because he fucking cant, idiot. because kid buu regenerates from anything and everything, and most powerful thing the sword sliced was goku's shoulder. the thing that made him get an advantage over goku is worthless here.

There is no need to start thawing insults around. If you cannot argue in a constructive manor or without insulting other users, then dont bother getting into debates, especially if this the manner in which you respond whenever some happens to disagree with you viewpoint.

and then he unexpectedly fails to. meaning the plan was never a viable option and he never was going ot be able to do what he siad he could do. evidenced here

All this does is further support my point, that Goku alone had the power to beat Kid Buu

This all comes down to this; Goku and Kid Buu were evenly matched in their skirmish and went blow for blow. Neither had the upper hand as far as power was concerned. Goku was able to take Kid Buu's attacks and vice versa. Both were equally marked up. The latter even attempted to one shot Goku with his candy beam, which if used against Jenemba, would only be redirected back at him.

By contrast, despite getting a couple of good blows in on Jenemba, a dead SSJ3 Goku was ultimately stomped.

If Goku was dead when he fought Kid Buu, he never would have had stamina issues and could have destroyed Buu much earlier without it dragging out.

And as I mentioned before, this will not be an easy fight for either side and probably be drawn out, but based on showings, has the power advantage and should take it more than not.