#1 Posted by ironman2 (23 posts) - - Show Bio

In hell Nothing physical other than janemba's jelly beans Janemba has sword

#2 Posted by nickzambuto (14891 posts) - - Show Bio

Janemba is a high level reality warper, Dr. M is merely matter manipulator.

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#3 Posted by NeonGameWave (9024 posts) - - Show Bio

Janemba turns Dr. Manhattan into a glow toy.

#4 Posted by N0tS0An0nym0us (907 posts) - - Show Bio

Stalemate, since Janemba cannot turn Manhattan into anything he cannot reform himself from and Manhattan cannot manipulate Janemba's molecules for whatever reason, the OP implied it anyway. So either this is a loaded match, or a stalemate.

Logically Manhattan could manipulate Janemba, but Janemba could teleport away I guess? Or just reform from it, so yeah stalemate.

#5 Posted by RedLanternSuperman (348 posts) - - Show Bio

@N0tS0An0nym0us said:

Stalemate

#6 Posted by nickzambuto (14891 posts) - - Show Bio

@N0tS0An0nym0us said:

Stalemate, since Janemba cannot turn Manhattan into anything he cannot reform himself from and Manhattan cannot manipulate Janemba's molecules for whatever reason, the OP implied it anyway. So either this is a loaded match, or a stalemate.

Logically Manhattan could manipulate Janemba, but Janemba could teleport away I guess? Or just reform from it, so yeah stalemate.

Janemba is a reality warper. He can literally take away Dr. Manhattan's powers and turn him into a chair.

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#7 Posted by minigunman123 (3116 posts) - - Show Bio

Janemba would lose.

Dr. Manhattan could simply turn him into... A turnip. You can't recover from that. Janemba is too unintelligent to do anything significantly bad to Dr. Manhattan that he can't recover from.

Plus...

Are we talking first form, or second form Janemba?

#8 Posted by N0tS0An0nym0us (907 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

@N0tS0An0nym0us said:

Stalemate, since Janemba cannot turn Manhattan into anything he cannot reform himself from and Manhattan cannot manipulate Janemba's molecules for whatever reason, the OP implied it anyway. So either this is a loaded match, or a stalemate.

Logically Manhattan could manipulate Janemba, but Janemba could teleport away I guess? Or just reform from it, so yeah stalemate.

Janemba is a reality warper. He can literally take away Dr. Manhattan's powers and turn him into a chair.

show me janemba turning someone into a chair ........ you can't

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#9 Posted by nickzambuto (14891 posts) - - Show Bio

@N0tS0An0nym0us said:

@nickzambuto said:

@N0tS0An0nym0us said:

Stalemate, since Janemba cannot turn Manhattan into anything he cannot reform himself from and Manhattan cannot manipulate Janemba's molecules for whatever reason, the OP implied it anyway. So either this is a loaded match, or a stalemate.

Logically Manhattan could manipulate Janemba, but Janemba could teleport away I guess? Or just reform from it, so yeah stalemate.

Janemba is a reality warper. He can literally take away Dr. Manhattan's powers and turn him into a chair.

show me janemba turning someone into a chair ........ you can't

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No, but I can show you him warping the very fabric of existence in every universe of every dimension all at the exact same time and twisting Heaven and Hell into his own playground.

Though considering this is Comic Vine, I'll probably get a reply saying that collapsing the universe doesn't qualify him as turning Dr. Featless into a chair.

@minigunman123 said:

Janemba would lose.

Dr. Manhattan could simply turn him into... A turnip. You can't recover from that. Janemba is too unintelligent to do anything significantly bad to Dr. Manhattan that he can't recover from.

Plus...

Are we talking first form, or second form Janemba?

That goes for you too.

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#10 Posted by N0tS0An0nym0us (907 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto: he didn't turn goku into a chair, he didn't turn vegeta into a chair, he didn't turn the DBZ cast into chairs, all he did was put jelly beans in other world/hell and release the evil dead into the living world....stop wanking janemba.

And yes, it doesn't qualify as turning Mr Manhattan into a chair ...........

/thread

#11 Posted by nickzambuto (14891 posts) - - Show Bio

@N0tS0An0nym0us said:

@nickzambuto: he didn't turn goku into a chair, he didn't turn vegeta into a chair, he didn't turn the DBZ cast into chairs, all he did was put jelly beans in other world/hell and release the evil dead into the living world....stop wanking janemba.

And yes, it doesn't qualify as turning Mr Manhattan into a chair ...........

/thread

Waiting for Dr. M feats.

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#12 Posted by FLCL1 (9287 posts) - - Show Bio

if janemba is so great of a reality warper why didnt he just turn gogeta into an ice cream cone?

stalemate or Dr. M wins.

Dr.M has shown no weakness

#13 Posted by Praetor_fenix (221 posts) - - Show Bio

Featless character #1 vs featless character #2...

#14 Posted by nickzambuto (14891 posts) - - Show Bio

@FLCL1 said:

if janemba is so great of a reality warper why didnt he just turn gogeta into an ice cream cone?

stalemate or Dr. M wins.

Dr.M has shown no weakness

Because Gogeta was more powerful?

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#15 Posted by FLCL1 (9287 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

@FLCL1 said:

if janemba is so great of a reality warper why didnt he just turn gogeta into an ice cream cone?

stalemate or Dr. M wins.

Dr.M has shown no weakness

Because Gogeta was more powerful?

i guess he isnt that powerful considering he got beat by a being that still cant survive a planetary explosion

#16 Posted by nickzambuto (14891 posts) - - Show Bio

@FLCL1 said:

@nickzambuto said:

@FLCL1 said:

if janemba is so great of a reality warper why didnt he just turn gogeta into an ice cream cone?

stalemate or Dr. M wins.

Dr.M has shown no weakness

Because Gogeta was more powerful?

i guess he isnt that powerful considering he got beat by a being that still cant survive a planetary explosion

Except Vegeta took a planet busting Kamehameha in the Saiyan Saga and came back for round 2.

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#17 Posted by N0tS0An0nym0us (907 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

@N0tS0An0nym0us said:

@nickzambuto: he didn't turn goku into a chair, he didn't turn vegeta into a chair, he didn't turn the DBZ cast into chairs, all he did was put jelly beans in other world/hell and release the evil dead into the living world....stop wanking janemba.

And yes, it doesn't qualify as turning Mr Manhattan into a chair ...........

/thread

Waiting for Dr. M feats.

lol you can't even deny it, that's whats up ....

you didn't ask, but you shall receive ....

all of these are self explanatory.....

#18 Posted by FLCL1 (9287 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

@FLCL1 said:

@nickzambuto said:

@FLCL1 said:

if janemba is so great of a reality warper why didnt he just turn gogeta into an ice cream cone?

stalemate or Dr. M wins.

Dr.M has shown no weakness

Because Gogeta was more powerful?

i guess he isnt that powerful considering he got beat by a being that still cant survive a planetary explosion

Except Vegeta took a planet busting Kamehameha in the Saiyan Saga and came back for round 2.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

these DBZ fanboys still exist?

let be guess; you firmly believe krillin can also destroy planets in the buu saga? LOL

#19 Posted by nickzambuto (14891 posts) - - Show Bio

@N0tS0An0nym0us said:

@nickzambuto said:

@N0tS0An0nym0us said:

@nickzambuto: he didn't turn goku into a chair, he didn't turn vegeta into a chair, he didn't turn the DBZ cast into chairs, all he did was put jelly beans in other world/hell and release the evil dead into the living world....stop wanking janemba.

And yes, it doesn't qualify as turning Mr Manhattan into a chair ...........

/thread

Waiting for Dr. M feats.

lol you can't even deny it, that's whats up ....

you didn't ask, but you shall receive ....

all of these are self explanatory.....

Whoa, he destroyed a tank and vaporized Rorschach. Warping Heaven and Hell ain't got nothin on that ass.

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#20 Posted by nickzambuto (14891 posts) - - Show Bio

@FLCL1 said:

@nickzambuto said:

@FLCL1 said:

@nickzambuto said:

@FLCL1 said:

if janemba is so great of a reality warper why didnt he just turn gogeta into an ice cream cone?

stalemate or Dr. M wins.

Dr.M has shown no weakness

Because Gogeta was more powerful?

i guess he isnt that powerful considering he got beat by a being that still cant survive a planetary explosion

Except Vegeta took a planet busting Kamehameha in the Saiyan Saga and came back for round 2.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

these DBZ fanboys still exist?

let be guess; you firmly believe krillin can also destroy planets in the buu saga? LOL

AAA+ argument would read again

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#21 Posted by N0tS0An0nym0us (907 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

@FLCL1 said:

@nickzambuto said:

@FLCL1 said:

if janemba is so great of a reality warper why didnt he just turn gogeta into an ice cream cone?

stalemate or Dr. M wins.

Dr.M has shown no weakness

Because Gogeta was more powerful?

i guess he isnt that powerful considering he got beat by a being that still cant survive a planetary explosion

Except Vegeta took a planet busting Kamehameha in the Saiyan Saga and came back for round 2.

that kamehameha blew up a planet? what planet did it blow up? LOL jk jk, I know his kamehameha wasn't planet busting nuthin LOLOLOLOL.....

#22 Posted by N0tS0An0nym0us (907 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto: better than making jelly beans, which is pretty much the extent of janembas "warping" lol

keep on wankin that DBZ bro

#23 Posted by nickzambuto (14891 posts) - - Show Bio

@N0tS0An0nym0us said:

@nickzambuto said:

@FLCL1 said:

@nickzambuto said:

@FLCL1 said:

if janemba is so great of a reality warper why didnt he just turn gogeta into an ice cream cone?

stalemate or Dr. M wins.

Dr.M has shown no weakness

Because Gogeta was more powerful?

i guess he isnt that powerful considering he got beat by a being that still cant survive a planetary explosion

Except Vegeta took a planet busting Kamehameha in the Saiyan Saga and came back for round 2.

that kamehameha blew up a planet? what planet did it blow up? LOL jk jk, I know his kamehameha wasn't planet busting nuthin LOLOLOLOL.....

Except it was. Vegeta's Galick Gun was going to blow up Earth. Vegeta said it. Goku confirmed it. If it wasn't Goku would of just dodged.

The Kamehameha outmuscled the Galick Gun. Common sense.

I look forward to your reply which will undoubtedly be well worded and filled with perfect grammar and plenty of scans with absolutely no gifs or LOLOLOLs.

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#24 Posted by nickzambuto (14891 posts) - - Show Bio

@N0tS0An0nym0us said:

@nickzambuto: better than making jelly beans, which is pretty much the extent of janembas "warping" lol

keep on wankin that DBZ bro

And you keep on using logic and common sense in your expertly written debates... oh wait.

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#25 Posted by FLCL1 (9287 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto: i was making my argument, until i got side tracked by more DBZ fanboy bull #$&*

but seriously, Dr. M rips janemba to pieces atom by atom. it is already known as far as comic readers know that Dr.M can not be killed, janemba, on the other hand has died by energy blast. matter manipulation should kill him

#26 Posted by nickzambuto (14891 posts) - - Show Bio

@FLCL1 said:

@nickzambuto: i was making my argument, until i got side tracked by more DBZ fanboy bull #$&*

but seriously, Dr. M rips janemba to pieces atom by atom. it is already known as far as comic readers know that Dr.M can not be killed, janemba, on the other hand has died by energy blast. matter manipulation should kill him

Love all those scans and feats of Dr. M you brought up.

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#27 Posted by xeon1cs (1481 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

@N0tS0An0nym0us said:

Stalemate, since Janemba cannot turn Manhattan into anything he cannot reform himself from and Manhattan cannot manipulate Janemba's molecules for whatever reason, the OP implied it anyway. So either this is a loaded match, or a stalemate.

Logically Manhattan could manipulate Janemba, but Janemba could teleport away I guess? Or just reform from it, so yeah stalemate.

Janemba is a reality warper. He can literally take away Dr. Manhattan's powers and turn him into a chair.

Janemba has trash tier reality warping feats. I dont even understand this. Regardless, there's nothing he can do to Dr. Manhattan, just like there's nothing Manhattan can do to Janemba. I don't know why people think warping Hell was a good feat, since Hell is a single dimension filled with trash weak characters. His reality warping clearly wasn't powerful enough to warp any character worth a shit.

#28 Posted by FLCL1 (9287 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

@N0tS0An0nym0us said:

@nickzambuto said:

@FLCL1 said:

@nickzambuto said:

@FLCL1 said:

if janemba is so great of a reality warper why didnt he just turn gogeta into an ice cream cone?

stalemate or Dr. M wins.

Dr.M has shown no weakness

Because Gogeta was more powerful?

i guess he isnt that powerful considering he got beat by a being that still cant survive a planetary explosion

Except Vegeta took a planet busting Kamehameha in the Saiyan Saga and came back for round 2.

that kamehameha blew up a planet? what planet did it blow up? LOL jk jk, I know his kamehameha wasn't planet busting nuthin LOLOLOLOL.....

Except it was. Vegeta's Galick Gun was going to blow up Earth. Vegeta said it. Goku confirmed it. If it wasn't Goku would of just dodged.

The Kamehameha outmuscled the Galick Gun. Common sense.

I look forward to your reply which will undoubtedly be well worded and filled with perfect grammar and plenty of scans with absolutely no gifs or LOLOLOLs.

"Vegeta's Galick Gun was going to blow up Earth."

prove it because i didnt see anything of the sort.

"Vegeta said it."

yeah because he has credibility

"Goku confirmed it."

goku has never encountered planet busting powers until frieza, what would he know?

prove vegeta's galick gun at that time was a planet busting attach without that hearsay argument

#29 Posted by N0tS0An0nym0us (907 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto: So vegeta can say he can destroy the planet just like how Cell said he could blow up the Solar system, when Cells blast got overpowered by gohan's it was in contact with the planet's surface......didn't even blow anything up.....just like Goku's 4x kioken kamehameha.....

Goku didn't blow up any planets, not like it matters since Janemba didn't either, stop wanking DBZ,

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#30 Posted by FLCL1 (9287 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

@FLCL1 said:

@nickzambuto: i was making my argument, until i got side tracked by more DBZ fanboy bull #$&*

but seriously, Dr. M rips janemba to pieces atom by atom. it is already known as far as comic readers know that Dr.M can not be killed, janemba, on the other hand has died by energy blast. matter manipulation should kill him

Love all those scans and feats of Dr. M you brought up.

r.i.p janemba

#31 Posted by xeon1cs (1481 posts) - - Show Bio

People just need to stop putting Dr. Manhattan in fights. He has absolutely no feats. He atomized, if you want to even call that atomizing someone, Rorschach; a normal human being. That's literally his best offensive feat.

#32 Posted by FLCL1 (9287 posts) - - Show Bio

@xeon1cs said:

People just need to stop putting Dr. Manhattan in fights. He has absolutely no feats. He atomized, if you want to even call that atomizing someone, Rorschach; a normal human being. That's literally his best offensive feat.

deatomizing a person or thing isn't like blowing someone up, durability isn't even a factor when it comes to an attack of this magnitude.

it means that he would be breaking down atoms to their simplest form. there is no guarding against this. unless you are someone like superman or silver surfer who has resistance to this form of attack you are dead.

#33 Posted by N0tS0An0nym0us (907 posts) - - Show Bio

@xeon1cs said:

People just need to stop putting Dr. Manhattan in fights. He has absolutely no feats. He atomized, if you want to even call that atomizing someone, Rorschach; a normal human being. That's literally his best offensive feat.

not really....

#34 Posted by xeon1cs (1481 posts) - - Show Bio

@N0tS0An0nym0us: How is him atomizing more normal human beings, somehow greater than him...atomizing a normal human being?

I...wait, what?

@FLCL1: I mean...if Janemba clearly didn't possess the ability to deconstruct and reconstruct himself, then I suppose you're right.

#35 Posted by FLCL1 (9287 posts) - - Show Bio

@xeon1cs:

is that why gogeta vaporized him?

if he is so all powerful and can reconstruct himself, why is he grass?

#36 Posted by N0tS0An0nym0us (907 posts) - - Show Bio

@xeon1cs said:

@N0tS0An0nym0us: How is him atomizing more normal human beings, somehow greater than him...atomizing a normal human being?

I...wait, what?\

cuz he atomized MOAR than 1 ..... and he did that tank thing ....

#37 Edited by xeon1cs (1481 posts) - - Show Bio

@FLCL1: Because plot. It's really not that hard to figure out, is it? If you have the bigger number in DBZ, you win. It's really that simply. Gogeta's number was bigger.

@N0tS0An0nym0us: I fail to see how doing the same thing to multiple people, is any different to what I stated. Oh boy, he crumpled up a tank. Guess he can beat Galactus.

He just doesn't have the feats to justify him beating anyone noteworthy.

#38 Posted by FLCL1 (9287 posts) - - Show Bio

@xeon1cs said:

@FLCL1: Because plot. It's really not that hard to figure out, is it? If you have the bigger number in DBZ, you win. It's really that simply. Gogeta's number was bigger.

that isnt a argument and cannot be used to negate the fact that he is dead.

every action in comic, manga, and animation is due to plot.

try again

#39 Posted by xeon1cs (1481 posts) - - Show Bio

@FLCL1: I'll make it simple for you. Show me Dr. Manhattan atomizing anyone with any kind of transmutation/regenerative/reconstructive properties. Or show me him 100% unmaking people, to where there's nothing left, not even blood.

For the record, Gogeta completely obliterated Janemba, the little glittering sparkles reformed the demon boy that initially turned into Janemba. It's not like he just shot him with energy and that was it. He unmade him, entirely. Clearly Gogeta's ability was beyond Janembas reconstructive ability.

I don't do the whole speculation thing of "WELL HE CONTROLS ATOMS!" When he's never done anything beyond killing regular people.

#40 Posted by minigunman123 (3116 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

@N0tS0An0nym0us said:

@nickzambuto said:

@N0tS0An0nym0us said:

Stalemate, since Janemba cannot turn Manhattan into anything he cannot reform himself from and Manhattan cannot manipulate Janemba's molecules for whatever reason, the OP implied it anyway. So either this is a loaded match, or a stalemate.

Logically Manhattan could manipulate Janemba, but Janemba could teleport away I guess? Or just reform from it, so yeah stalemate.

Janemba is a reality warper. He can literally take away Dr. Manhattan's powers and turn him into a chair.

show me janemba turning someone into a chair ........ you can't

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No, but I can show you him warping the very fabric of existence in every universe of every dimension all at the exact same time and twisting Heaven and Hell into his own playground.

Though considering this is Comic Vine, I'll probably get a reply saying that collapsing the universe doesn't qualify him as turning Dr. Featless into a chair.

@minigunman123 said:

Janemba would lose.

Dr. Manhattan could simply turn him into... A turnip. You can't recover from that. Janemba is too unintelligent to do anything significantly bad to Dr. Manhattan that he can't recover from.

Plus...

Are we talking first form, or second form Janemba?

That goes for you too.

Sorry, what goes for me?

Janemba isn't a reality warper of the caliber you suggest. His creation caused certain events to be played out, but I don't think he was consciously doing these things. He's a mindless beast. He wouldn't have any idea how to handle Dr. Manhattan.

To bend reality to the scope of actually being a reality warper, you need more than power, you need the brains to use that power. Janemba has almost no brains at all. Even if he can turn someone into a chair, he never demonstrated that type of warping (he altered the fabric of the universe... But that might be attributed to simply his creation, or the nature of who he is, rather than him consciously trying to do it), and he never demonstrated the willpower or desire to do such things. He is a brawler. He's a fighter. That's why, even if he had the power to turn Gogeta into a cupcake, he didn't do it.

Dr. Manhattan, on the other hand... We've already seen the lengths he's willing to go to, for the greater good. He killed his own friend in the name of terrorist acts that he was convinced were necessary for the greater good (if I am remembering correctly; I do not have scans though as I did not read the book, I read about the book). He's also very intelligent. He'd dispatch Janemba with relative ease.

#41 Posted by nickzambuto (14891 posts) - - Show Bio

@minigunman123 said:

Sorry, what goes for me?

Janemba isn't a reality warper of the caliber you suggest. His creation caused certain events to be played out, but I don't think he was consciously doing these things. He's a mindless beast. He wouldn't have any idea how to handle Dr. Manhattan.

To bend reality to the scope of actually being a reality warper, you need more than power, you need the brains to use that power. Janemba has almost no brains at all. Even if he can turn someone into a chair, he never demonstrated that type of warping (he altered the fabric of the universe... But that might be attributed to simply his creation, or the nature of who he is, rather than him consciously trying to do it), and he never demonstrated the willpower or desire to do such things. He is a brawler. He's a fighter. That's why, even if he had the power to turn Gogeta into a cupcake, he didn't do it.

Dr. Manhattan, on the other hand... We've already seen the lengths he's willing to go to, for the greater good. He killed his own friend in the name of terrorist acts that he was convinced were necessary for the greater good (if I am remembering correctly; I do not have scans though as I did not read the book, I read about the book). He's also very intelligent. He'd dispatch Janemba with relative ease.

Whatever, I'm not a big enough Janemba fan to defend him anymore - I doubt anyone is a Janemba fan, actually :P

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#42 Posted by FLCL1 (9287 posts) - - Show Bio

@xeon1cs said:

@FLCL1: I'll make it simple for you. Show me Dr. Manhattan atomizing anyone with any kind of transmutation/regenerative/reconstructive properties. Or show me him 100% unmaking people, to where there's nothing left, not even blood.

For the record, Gogeta completely obliterated Janemba, the little glittering sparkles reformed the demon boy that initially turned into Janemba. It's not like he just shot him with energy and that was it. He unmade him, entirely. Clearly Gogeta's ability was beyond Janembas reconstructive ability.

I don't do the whole speculation thing of "WELL HE CONTROLS ATOMS!" When he's never done anything beyond killing regular people.

i already explained the definition of deatomizing and as far as comics go it is the second best power (matter manipulation) next to reality warping. no one in DBZ has ever shown the power to resist every atom in there body being spontaneously separated at the same time instantly.

deatomizing doesnt mean he wipes them from existance dude. thats scientifically impossible away seeing as how energy can only be recycled not destroyed.

you are still compareing a energy blast to matter manipulation...

do you fully comprehend what "matter manipulation" is?

#43 Posted by MisterGuyMan (2026 posts) - - Show Bio

Just pointing out that Vegeta did actually blow up a planet. Yes it's in the anime but I saw people citing both movie and comic feats for Dr. Manhattan.

#44 Posted by minigunman123 (3116 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto: Were you just defending him because nobody else would?

#45 Posted by LostMind (155 posts) - - Show Bio

Janemba's first form seemed to be quite powerful as Goku had to transform into his Super Saiyan 3 form to overpower him. In his super form, Janemba managed to completely overpower Super Saiyan 3 Goku and was only defeated by the fusion of Goku and Vegeta, Gogeta. His reality warping power was capable of transforming the entire universe into his image, including the Other World. He possesses great matter manipulation powers as well since he was easily able to pick up a club and alter its molecular structure, turning it into a sword. This could also be a side effect of his reality warping powers. Aside from his reality warping powers, he is also proved to be an accomplished martial artist, taking on both Goku and Vegeta in hand-to-hand combat, and winning.

Janemba was the creation of teenage ogre becoming succumbed to the evil of millions spirts which Gogeta was able to beat Janemba by purifying that evil reverting him back to the teenage ogre ( I think.).

So in the long run I say a Stalemate since their basically the same Janemba is just does things on a larger scale.

#46 Posted by Bo88gdan (4639 posts) - - Show Bio

Dr Manhattan wins his full potential is yet to be shown. Full powered he would be on Level of

Pre Retcon Molecule Man ! Dr Manhattan wins this

#47 Posted by Dextersinister (6509 posts) - - Show Bio

@Bo88gdan said:

Dr Manhattan wins his full potential is yet to be shown. Full powered he would be on Level of

Pre Retcon Molecule Man ! Dr Manhattan wins this

I wouldn't go that far, Manhattan would be on the high end of the Captain Atom ladder the character he was based on and who himself has shown to be incredibly powerful.

#48 Posted by ironman2 (23 posts) - - Show Bio

Bo88dan you're just another marvel fanboy who never leaves Dr manhattan's ass alone.really?if dr manhattan turns a tank into a ball can he win over someone who can shake the whole universe at his birth,can make clones stronger than his opponents,can make heaven and hell his own playground,open 3 portals on earth with beings able to bust galaxies and turn a small club into a sword that can cut everything that is infront of it?NO,face it marvel fanboy dr manhattan is only a matter manipulator,janemba is a hightime reality warper.