Janemba vs Buuhan
Isnt Janemba supposed to be a lot more powerful in Hell? With at least mid tier reality warping powers?
"Isnt Janemba supposed to be a lot more powerful in Hell? With at least mid tier reality warping powers? "
Actually I've never seen anything that says his power is restricted to Hell, but Yea Janemba was supossedly more powerful than Buuhan. But being stronger alone, won't exactly help him win this fight. Ex. Super Buu vs Ultimate Gohan. While Gohan was deffinatly stronger, he couldn't end Superbuu.
Same would probably go for Janemba. I honestly can't pick a winner at this time!
This is too tough to call! These are two of the few beings in DBZ that are mid Cosmic level beings.
Janemba Powers:
Transmutation
Superspeed
Superstrength
Stretching ability (Endless)
Magic
Teleportation
Demensional portals
Energy Manipulation
Telekinises
Reality Manipulation (Trump Card)
Note: Janemba at his weakest could create clones of himself to attack opponents. And also create a warped clone of his opponent and use their attacks back at them. This is an awesome ability!
Buuhan Powers:
Mimicing Abilities (Trump Card)
Magic
Magical Regenration
Superspeed
Superstrength
Stretching (Endless)
Energy Manipulation
Transmutaion
Note : Superbuu whos weaker than Buuhan could shatter demensional walls with his power alone. Buuhan can do it on a larger scale.
This fight is to close to call, alot of planets could be in danger if these two were not restricted to one area to fight. I could see systems being destroyed if they were to go all out in a full on rage!
Both of these beings needed to be wiped out completly by positive energy, so I really cannot pick a freaking winner!!! Tough CALL!!
Goku could actually put a little fight (not much) against Janemba even in final form
Him and Vegeta were hopeless against Super Buu w. Gohan
I don't see Gogeta taking that version of Buu so easily
Jenemba. He is stronger than SSJ 3 Goku by a good amount. And Kid Buu is the strongest of the Buus, who is almost matched by Goku SSJ 3.
@GabrielCosma said:
Jenemba. He is stronger than SSJ 3 Goku by a good amount. And Kid Buu is the strongest of the Buus, who is almost matched by Goku SSJ 3.
You're wrong Kid Buu isnt the strongest of all buus not even close. The list of buu's go like this Buuhan>Buutenks>Original Buu>Buff Buu>SuperBuu>Kid Buu>Pure evil Buu>Fat Buu>Mr.Buu. Also Mystic Gohan>SS3 Goku and Vegito>>Gogeta. Anyway Buu has that stupid hax infinite regeneration combine that with piccolo's intelligence and Mystic Gohan and Gotenks strength then I think Buuhan wins after a very tough fight
@GabrielCosma said:
Jenemba. He is stronger than SSJ 3 Goku by a good amount. And Kid Buu is the strongest of the Buus, who is almost matched by Goku SSJ 3.
NO, Buuhan is the strongest buu, he has Piccolo's smart mind, he absorbed Goten, Trunks, and Gohan.. I think Janemba can Buuhan were fairly equal
@redbird3rdboywonder said:
@GabrielCosma said:
Jenemba. He is stronger than SSJ 3 Goku by a good amount. And Kid Buu is the strongest of the Buus, who is almost matched by Goku SSJ 3.
You're wrong Kid Buu isnt the strongest of all buus not even close. The list of buu's go like this Buuhan>Buutenks>Original Buu>Buff Buu>SuperBuu>Kid Buu>Pure evil Buu>Fat Buu>Mr.Buu. Also Mystic Gohan>SS3 Goku and Vegito>>Gogeta. Anyway Buu has that stupid hax infinite regeneration combine that with piccolo's intelligence and Mystic Gohan and Gotenks strength then I think Buuhan wins after a very tough fight
Original Buu? Fat Buu is stronger than Kid Buu and Ultra Buu/Buff Buu because of his absorption of the Grand Supreme Kai along with the Southern Supreme Kai, the character Ultra Buu/Buff Buu absorbed. Fat Buu's weak showing of power is because of the Grand Supreme Kai's kindness and gentleness.
@Chronus said:
@redbird3rdboywonder said:
@GabrielCosma said:
Jenemba. He is stronger than SSJ 3 Goku by a good amount. And Kid Buu is the strongest of the Buus, who is almost matched by Goku SSJ 3.
You're wrong Kid Buu isnt the strongest of all buus not even close. The list of buu's go like this Buuhan>Buutenks>Original Buu>Buff Buu>SuperBuu>Kid Buu>Pure evil Buu>Fat Buu>Mr.Buu. Also Mystic Gohan>SS3 Goku and Vegito>>Gogeta. Anyway Buu has that stupid hax infinite regeneration combine that with piccolo's intelligence and Mystic Gohan and Gotenks strength then I think Buuhan wins after a very tough fight
Original Buu? Fat Buu is stronger than Kid Buu and Ultra Buu/Buff Buu because of his absorption of the Grand Supreme Kai along with the Southern Supreme Kai, the character Ultra Buu/Buff Buu absorbed. Fat Buu's weak showing of power is because of the Grand Supreme Kai's kindness and gentleness.
Original Buu as in the one true Buu before the absorbtions of the Kais. Also it's debatable that Fat Buu is weaker than Kid buu due to supreme Kai sayig that the absorbtions of the kais made buu weaker, but then again the Kais are idiots so who knows how true it is. It coudl be true due to the fact that Buu's power comes from his anger and with the Dai Kao absorbed,it weakened buu due to as you stated above, the kai's gentleness and kindness. However the Southern supreme kai was a warrior so his absorbtion is what put Buff Buu above Kid Buu
Aren't you guys forgetting that Super jenemba can:
-Use telekinesis
-Copy attacks
-Manipulate reality
-Manipulate physical mass
-Rip/Punch through dimensions: Like The illusion smash/Dimensional sword attack.
-Clone himself
-Create A Lightning shower Rain In Which does not state if it actually runs on ki. My guess is that it is another denominational like power.
-And the power of cosmic illusion
Plus, some of the few obvious abilities, like regeneration, super speed, ki energy ETC.
While MOST of Buuhans Attacks are Ki Based.
As far as I can see, Jenemba a lot more ridiculous factors to overwhelm Buuhan.
Oh, and one more thing, TECHNICALLY Buuhan doesnt have Gotenks power. The only reason why Buutenks absorbed Gohan Was because Buutenks time was up due to Gotenks DE-fusion .
So, Jenemba....Unless someone can propose better information pertaining to buuhan being superior.
My Sources
http://www.mangapark.com/manga/dragon-ball-z/c503/10
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Janemba
@redbird3rdboywonder said:
@Chronus said:
@redbird3rdboywonder said:
@GabrielCosma said:
Jenemba. He is stronger than SSJ 3 Goku by a good amount. And Kid Buu is the strongest of the Buus, who is almost matched by Goku SSJ 3.
You're wrong Kid Buu isnt the strongest of all buus not even close. The list of buu's go like this Buuhan>Buutenks>Original Buu>Buff Buu>SuperBuu>Kid Buu>Pure evil Buu>Fat Buu>Mr.Buu. Also Mystic Gohan>SS3 Goku and Vegito>>Gogeta. Anyway Buu has that stupid hax infinite regeneration combine that with piccolo's intelligence and Mystic Gohan and Gotenks strength then I think Buuhan wins after a very tough fight
Original Buu? Fat Buu is stronger than Kid Buu and Ultra Buu/Buff Buu because of his absorption of the Grand Supreme Kai along with the Southern Supreme Kai, the character Ultra Buu/Buff Buu absorbed. Fat Buu's weak showing of power is because of the Grand Supreme Kai's kindness and gentleness.
Original Buu as in the one true Buu before the absorbtions of the Kais. Also it's debatable that Fat Buu is weaker than Kid buu due to supreme Kai sayig that the absorbtions of the kais made buu weaker, but then again the Kais are idiots so who knows how true it is. It coudl be true due to the fact that Buu's power comes from his anger and with the Dai Kao absorbed,it weakened buu due to as you stated above, the kai's gentleness and kindness. However the Southern supreme kai was a warrior so his absorbtion is what put Buff Buu above Kid Buu
Where did you get M.Gohan was > Vegito from? base form Vegito had a much much much much much better showing against Buuhan than Gohan had against Buutenks who was weaker. Kid Buu is arguably the weakest form of Buu, but he is Buu in i's purest form(In the sense that he has absorbed anything yet) He is pure unrestricted evil, Super buu is stronger than Kid Buu and Fat buu is stronger than Super Buu.
Buu wins, either because stomp or just regenerating forever so Janemba will tired. And after Buu absorb him Janembuu will born the absolute strongest.
@solesamurai said:
@redbird3rdboywonder said:
@Chronus said:
@redbird3rdboywonder said:
@GabrielCosma said:
Jenemba. He is stronger than SSJ 3 Goku by a good amount. And Kid Buu is the strongest of the Buus, who is almost matched by Goku SSJ 3.
You're wrong Kid Buu isnt the strongest of all buus not even close. The list of buu's go like this Buuhan>Buutenks>Original Buu>Buff Buu>SuperBuu>Kid Buu>Pure evil Buu>Fat Buu>Mr.Buu. Also Mystic Gohan>SS3 Goku and Vegito>>Gogeta. Anyway Buu has that stupid hax infinite regeneration combine that with piccolo's intelligence and Mystic Gohan and Gotenks strength then I think Buuhan wins after a very tough fight
Original Buu? Fat Buu is stronger than Kid Buu and Ultra Buu/Buff Buu because of his absorption of the Grand Supreme Kai along with the Southern Supreme Kai, the character Ultra Buu/Buff Buu absorbed. Fat Buu's weak showing of power is because of the Grand Supreme Kai's kindness and gentleness.
Original Buu as in the one true Buu before the absorbtions of the Kais. Also it's debatable that Fat Buu is weaker than Kid buu due to supreme Kai sayig that the absorbtions of the kais made buu weaker, but then again the Kais are idiots so who knows how true it is. It coudl be true due to the fact that Buu's power comes from his anger and with the Dai Kao absorbed,it weakened buu due to as you stated above, the kai's gentleness and kindness. However the Southern supreme kai was a warrior so his absorbtion is what put Buff Buu above Kid Buu
Where did you get M.Gohan was > Vegito from? base form Vegito had a much much much much much better showing against Buuhan than Gohan had against Buutenks who was weaker. Kid Buu is arguably the weakest form of Buu, but he is Buu in i's purest form(In the sense that he has absorbed anything yet) He is pure unrestricted evil, Super buu is stronger than Kid Buu and Fat buu is stronger than Super Buu.
Are you asking me or one of the other 2 because I never said that
@redbird3rdboywonder said:
@solesamurai said:
@redbird3rdboywonder said:
@Chronus said:
@redbird3rdboywonder said:
@GabrielCosma said:
Jenemba. He is stronger than SSJ 3 Goku by a good amount. And Kid Buu is the strongest of the Buus, who is almost matched by Goku SSJ 3.
You're wrong Kid Buu isnt the strongest of all buus not even close. The list of buu's go like this Buuhan>Buutenks>Original Buu>Buff Buu>SuperBuu>Kid Buu>Pure evil Buu>Fat Buu>Mr.Buu. Also Mystic Gohan>SS3 Goku and Vegito>>Gogeta. Anyway Buu has that stupid hax infinite regeneration combine that with piccolo's intelligence and Mystic Gohan and Gotenks strength then I think Buuhan wins after a very tough fight
Original Buu? Fat Buu is stronger than Kid Buu and Ultra Buu/Buff Buu because of his absorption of the Grand Supreme Kai along with the Southern Supreme Kai, the character Ultra Buu/Buff Buu absorbed. Fat Buu's weak showing of power is because of the Grand Supreme Kai's kindness and gentleness.
Original Buu as in the one true Buu before the absorbtions of the Kais. Also it's debatable that Fat Buu is weaker than Kid buu due to supreme Kai sayig that the absorbtions of the kais made buu weaker, but then again the Kais are idiots so who knows how true it is. It coudl be true due to the fact that Buu's power comes from his anger and with the Dai Kao absorbed,it weakened buu due to as you stated above, the kai's gentleness and kindness. However the Southern supreme kai was a warrior so his absorbtion is what put Buff Buu above Kid Buu
Where did you get M.Gohan was > Vegito from? base form Vegito had a much much much much much better showing against Buuhan than Gohan had against Buutenks who was weaker. Kid Buu is arguably the weakest form of Buu, but he is Buu in i's purest form(In the sense that he has absorbed anything yet) He is pure unrestricted evil, Super buu is stronger than Kid Buu and Fat buu is stronger than Super Buu.
Are you asking me or one of the other 2 because I never said that
You actually did but ok.
@Lex98 said:
@solesamurai: So why was SS3 goku able to hold his own against fat buu and struggle with kid buu?
The longer goku stays in ssj3 form the weaker he gets, he only fought fat buu breifly so had the upperhand most of the fight, not to mention fat buu didn't take the fight seriously until he realized how strong goku was, then he wanted to fight for real. Kid Buu had the pleasure of duking it out with goku for a long period of time which is why he had trouble defeating Kid buu.
@solesamurai said:
@redbird3rdboywonder said:
@solesamurai said:
@redbird3rdboywonder said:
@Chronus said:
@redbird3rdboywonder said:
@GabrielCosma said:
Jenemba. He is stronger than SSJ 3 Goku by a good amount. And Kid Buu is the strongest of the Buus, who is almost matched by Goku SSJ 3.
You're wrong Kid Buu isnt the strongest of all buus not even close. The list of buu's go like this Buuhan>Buutenks>Original Buu>Buff Buu>SuperBuu>Kid Buu>Pure evil Buu>Fat Buu>Mr.Buu. Also Mystic Gohan>SS3 Goku and Vegito>>Gogeta. Anyway Buu has that stupid hax infinite regeneration combine that with piccolo's intelligence and Mystic Gohan and Gotenks strength then I think Buuhan wins after a very tough fight
Original Buu? Fat Buu is stronger than Kid Buu and Ultra Buu/Buff Buu because of his absorption of the Grand Supreme Kai along with the Southern Supreme Kai, the character Ultra Buu/Buff Buu absorbed. Fat Buu's weak showing of power is because of the Grand Supreme Kai's kindness and gentleness.
Original Buu as in the one true Buu before the absorbtions of the Kais. Also it's debatable that Fat Buu is weaker than Kid buu due to supreme Kai sayig that the absorbtions of the kais made buu weaker, but then again the Kais are idiots so who knows how true it is. It coudl be true due to the fact that Buu's power comes from his anger and with the Dai Kao absorbed,it weakened buu due to as you stated above, the kai's gentleness and kindness. However the Southern supreme kai was a warrior so his absorbtion is what put Buff Buu above Kid Buu
Where did you get M.Gohan was > Vegito from? base form Vegito had a much much much much much better showing against Buuhan than Gohan had against Buutenks who was weaker. Kid Buu is arguably the weakest form of Buu, but he is Buu in i's purest form(In the sense that he has absorbed anything yet) He is pure unrestricted evil, Super buu is stronger than Kid Buu and Fat buu is stronger than Super Buu.
Are you asking me or one of the other 2 because I never said that
You actually did but ok.
No I didn't look closer I said that Mystic Gohan> SS3 Goku and that Vegito>Gogeta not that Mystic Gohan> Vegito because that would be foolish
Hard to call. If the movies followed an exact timeline this would be much easier, but they don't. Because you can't just make a linear comparison between SS3 Goku at different points, because DBZ characters definitely get stronger over time, and with the timeline inconsistencies it's difficult to tell if this is pre or post Buu.
If this SS3 Goku had the same level of power as the one that fought Kid Buu, Janemba is screwed. If this is a later version of SS3 Goku from some time during the 10 year time skip then Janemba definitely has a chance. I think there's too little information for anyone to say with 100% certainty.
Oh, and one more thing, Buu's regeneration powers aren't as big of an advantage as some people think. Buu loses energy as he gets beat up. This is shown twice, once in Vegito vs Super Buu, and again in Kid Buu vs Mr. Buu. If he can lose energy he can be killed, without resorting to spallating every single atom.
Janemba >>> Super Saiyan 3 Goku
Ultimate Gohan > Super Saiyan 3 Goku
Ultimate Gohan + Super Buu >>>>> Super Saiyan 3 Goku
I think Buuhan would win this.
@redbird3rdboywonder said:
@solesamurai said:
@redbird3rdboywonder said:
@solesamurai said:
@redbird3rdboywonder said:
@Chronus said:
@redbird3rdboywonder said:
@GabrielCosma said:
Jenemba. He is stronger than SSJ 3 Goku by a good amount. And Kid Buu is the strongest of the Buus, who is almost matched by Goku SSJ 3.
You're wrong Kid Buu isnt the strongest of all buus not even close. The list of buu's go like this Buuhan>Buutenks>Original Buu>Buff Buu>SuperBuu>Kid Buu>Pure evil Buu>Fat Buu>Mr.Buu. Also Mystic Gohan>SS3 Goku and Vegito>>Gogeta. Anyway Buu has that stupid hax infinite regeneration combine that with piccolo's intelligence and Mystic Gohan and Gotenks strength then I think Buuhan wins after a very tough fight
Original Buu? Fat Buu is stronger than Kid Buu and Ultra Buu/Buff Buu because of his absorption of the Grand Supreme Kai along with the Southern Supreme Kai, the character Ultra Buu/Buff Buu absorbed. Fat Buu's weak showing of power is because of the Grand Supreme Kai's kindness and gentleness.
Original Buu as in the one true Buu before the absorbtions of the Kais. Also it's debatable that Fat Buu is weaker than Kid buu due to supreme Kai sayig that the absorbtions of the kais made buu weaker, but then again the Kais are idiots so who knows how true it is. It coudl be true due to the fact that Buu's power comes from his anger and with the Dai Kao absorbed,it weakened buu due to as you stated above, the kai's gentleness and kindness. However the Southern supreme kai was a warrior so his absorbtion is what put Buff Buu above Kid Buu
Where did you get M.Gohan was > Vegito from? base form Vegito had a much much much much much better showing against Buuhan than Gohan had against Buutenks who was weaker. Kid Buu is arguably the weakest form of Buu, but he is Buu in i's purest form(In the sense that he has absorbed anything yet) He is pure unrestricted evil, Super buu is stronger than Kid Buu and Fat buu is stronger than Super Buu.
Are you asking me or one of the other 2 because I never said that
You actually did but ok.
No I didn't look closer I said that Mystic Gohan> SS3 Goku and that Vegito>Gogeta not that Mystic Gohan> Vegito because that would be foolish
It looks like you said Mystic Gohan > SS3 Goku AND Vegito, you should separate it by commas it looks very confusing.
@solesamurai: This is my original post and what I said
@redbird3rdboywonder said:
@GabrielCosma said:
Jenemba. He is stronger than SSJ 3 Goku by a good amount. And Kid Buu is the strongest of the Buus, who is almost matched by Goku SSJ 3.
You're wrong Kid Buu isnt the strongest of all buus not even close. The list of buu's go like this Buuhan>Buutenks>Original Buu>Buff Buu>SuperBuu>Kid Buu>Pure evil Buu>Fat Buu>Mr.Buu. Also Mystic Gohan>SS3 Goku and Vegito>>Gogeta. Anyway Buu has that stupid hax infinite regeneration combine that with piccolo's intelligence and Mystic Gohan and Gotenks strength then I think Buuhan wins after a very tough fight
@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:
Janemba >>> Super Saiyan 3 Goku
Ultimate Gohan > Super Saiyan 3 Goku
Ultimate Gohan + Super Buu >>>>> Super Saiyan 3 Goku
I think Buuhan would win this.
As I said, you can't necessarily compare SS3 Goku linearly like that. DBZ characters grow in power significantly over time, and with the timeline inconsistencies of Fusion Reborn it's difficult to tell if this is pre or post Buu. And if it's post Buu, SS3 Goku might be powerful enough to one shot Super Buu. Or he might not. As I said, there's a serious lack of information that basically invalidates any comparison one way or the other.
@Laurcus said:
@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:
Janemba >>> Super Saiyan 3 Goku
Ultimate Gohan > Super Saiyan 3 Goku
Ultimate Gohan + Super Buu >>>>> Super Saiyan 3 Goku
I think Buuhan would win this.
As I said, you can't necessarily compare SS3 Goku linearly like that. DBZ characters grow in power significantly over time, and with the timeline inconsistencies of Fusion Reborn it's difficult to tell if this is pre or post Buu. And if it's post Buu, SS3 Goku might be powerful enough to one shot Super Buu. Or he might not. As I said, there's a serious lack of information that basically invalidates any comparison one way or the other.
This exactly.
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