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#1 Edited by Strider92 (18018 posts) - - Show Bio

James Bond (Daniel Craig):

Vs

Black Widow:

Round 1 (Hand to Hand Combat):

  • Unarmed pure H2H skills
  • Morals On
  • No Prep

Who wins?

Round 2 (Espionage):

  • Bond is told by MI6 that Widow has information needed. Widow is told by SHIELD that Bond also has needed information.
  • They are not allowed to inflict any physical harm on one another but apart from that can use any means necessary to obtain the information.
  • Both have 4 hours prep before hand to get basic idea of who they are dealing with.

Who obtains the information?

Round 3 (Hunting):

  • Both Bond and Widow are placed in a crowded area
  • They both know the other is there somewhere
  • Their aim is to find and incapacitate the other
  • Morals On
  • Standard Gear
  • Both have knowledge of what the others standard gear is and a brief summery of what they look like.
  • No Prep

Who finds and beats the other?

Location: Big Train Station

#2 Posted by Frozen (19795 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1

Black Widow takes it. In h2h, Craig was a brutal fighter, but Widow was the faster and more agile fighter. She impressed me more with her speed, Craig was probably stronger but as in h2h showings I'm giving it to Widow.

Round 2

I'm not too sure on this. I'll say Widow, she was even capable of tricking Tony Stark. While Bond hasn't done much from my observations, not this version anyways.

Round 3

I'm actually inclined to say Bond. From what I saw, he was better suited to these situations. Even in the beginning of Casino Royale, we have a similar situation and Bond eventually eliminates his target.

#3 Posted by Xanni15 (6791 posts) - - Show Bio

Widow stomps in the first round, Bond (based off feats) should win in the second, and the third round goes to Widow based off better tech. Bond needed to have a tracking device on someone and still almost lost them.

#4 Edited by ChaosMarvel (1046 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1:

Bond wins. I wouldn't put Craig's Bond very far behind Bourne in terms of skill. Black Widow maybe more agile but she uses a lot of unnecessary agility and acrobatics to draw the fight out. For example when she fought those security guards she was using a ton of gear and acrobatics to take out normal security guards. Bond on the other hand is a lot fast in terms of reaction speed in hand to hand and took out multiple enemies in hand to hand with no aid from gadgets and did it quicker than Widow.

So for me Bond wins this. Better hand to hand and faster reactions.

Round 2:

This would be hilarious to watch. Bond's general MO is to seduce women and Black Widows is to play mind games. I honestly don't know who to pick...........It probably ends in sex.

Round 3:

Bond has more experience in this field. Its basically his element but Widows standard gear is a lot better. I'd call it a draw. Whoever finds the other first has a chance to take the win.

#5 Posted by Frozen (19795 posts) - - Show Bio

@ChaosMarvel said:

Round 1:

Bond wins. I wouldn't put Craig's Bond very far behind Bourne in terms of skill. Black Widow maybe more agile but she uses a lot of unnecessary agility and acrobatics to draw the fight out. For example when she fought those security guards she was using a ton of gear and acrobatics to take out normal security guards. Bond on the other hand is a lot fast in terms of reaction speed in hand to hand and took out multiple enemies in hand to hand with no aid from gadgets and did it quicker than Widow.

So for me Bond wins this. Better hand to hand and faster reactions.

Round 2:

This would be hilarious to watch. Bond's general MO is to seduce women and Black Widows is to play mind games. I honestly don't know who to pick...........It probably ends in sex.

Round 3:

Bond has more experience in this field. Its basically his element but Widows standard gear is a lot better. I'd call it a draw. Whoever finds the other first has a chance to take the win.

What? He is nowhere near as skilled as Bourne. Craig's version was only in his early days as 007, he hasn't shown skill near Bourne. However, I am reconsidering the first round. She did do alot of unnecessary moves, flips, etc.

#6 Posted by Bo88gdan (5357 posts) - - Show Bio

Black widow falls on Bond`s charm and goes in bed with him.End of story .

#7 Edited by ChaosMarvel (1046 posts) - - Show Bio

@Frozen said:

What? He is nowhere near as skilled as Bourne. Craig's version was only in his early days as 007, he hasn't shown skill near Bourne. However, I am reconsidering the first round. She did do alot of unnecessary moves, flips, etc.

Oh he's not on the same level as Bourne sure but his fighting style is very very similar:

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For example here we see the same kind of wristlocks and pressure points attacks that Bourne uses. Not to mention Bournes fondness for improvised weaponry. No Bond is not on the same level of skill but he's not leagues behind him either.

#8 Posted by Frozen (19795 posts) - - Show Bio

@ChaosMarvel said:

@Frozen said:

What? He is nowhere near as skilled as Bourne. Craig's version was only in his early days as 007, he hasn't shown skill near Bourne. However, I am reconsidering the first round. She did do alot of unnecessary moves, flips, etc.

Oh he's not on the same level as Bourne sure but his fighting style is very very similar:

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For example here we see the same kind of wristlocks and pressure points attacks that Bourne uses. Not to mention Bournes fondness for improvised weaponry. No Bond is not on the same level of skill but he's not leagues behind him either.

Bourne was taking on some of the best operatives in the world in h2h. Bond simply wasn't, in h2h I'd put Craig's Bond behind Bale's Batman.

#9 Edited by Strider92 (18018 posts) - - Show Bio

@Frozen said:

Bourne was taking on some of the best operatives in the world in h2h. Bond simply wasn't, in h2h I'd put Craig's Bond behind Bale's Batman.

As the OP i'm staying impartial but I would rank both Black Widow and Bond above Bale's Batman. Although he has the training Bale's Batman's reaction time was abysmal. Even against normal fodder he was forced to use the environment to win. Like he did in Tokyo when he took out the lights before engaging the men inside or in the tunnels where he also had to use the shadows to win. While that makes him a good tactical fighter it doesn't make him a good one in straight up h2h. I've seen nothing that puts him above Bond or Widow in that regard who were both able to take out multiple enemies in plain sight with guns pointed on them.

#10 Posted by ChaosMarvel (1046 posts) - - Show Bio

@Frozen said:

in h2h I'd put Craig's Bond behind Bale's Batman.

That I strongly disagree with. While Bale's Batman supposedly had good training not once did I ever seen him use any kind of wristlock or pressure attack that could have ended most of his enemies quickly. He is also a lot slower in hand to hand compared with both Widow and Bond. Batman worked with slow decisive blows that would not allow him to get a win against Bond, Widow and definitely not Bourne who's reaction speeds in hand to hand are much faster. The only reason Bane gave Batman so much trouble was more to do with his durability than actual skill.

#11 Posted by Frozen (19795 posts) - - Show Bio

@ChaosMarvel said:

@Frozen said:

in h2h I'd put Craig's Bond behind Bale's Batman.

That I strongly disagree with. While Bale's Batman supposedly had good training not once did I ever seen him use any kind of wristlock or pressure attack that could have ended most of his enemies quickly. He is also a lot slower in hand to hand compared with both Widow and Bond. Batman worked with slow decisive blows that would not allow him to get a win against Bond, Widow and definitely not Bourne who's reaction speeds in hand to hand are much faster. The only reason Bane gave Batman so much trouble was more to do with his durability than actual skill.

Not really. In terms of h2h, Batman was the better fighter. Batman used the Keysei style of fighting, which is practical for fighting. Remember that Craig was more of a shooter, given the opportunity, he'd rather shoot than get into a fist-fight. Batman trained longer and the opponents he took on were better skilled, he disarmed a team of SWAT (he had help but the point still stands - he physically disarmed them) and gave Ra's a run for his money. Craig was just a brutal fighter, see what he did in Casino Royale? He was out-right brutal, doing what he could to win.

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The point is, Batman was trained for longer. He was fighting armed people and capable of disarming them, Bond just didn't hold back anything. He was prepared to kill, Batman wasn't. Batman may have been fighting cannon-fodder thugs, but he was disarming armed thugs. If Bond was in the same situation, he'd most likely shoot them. While Batman would disarm them.

#12 Edited by Frozen (19795 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

@Frozen said:

Bourne was taking on some of the best operatives in the world in h2h. Bond simply wasn't, in h2h I'd put Craig's Bond behind Bale's Batman.

As the OP i'm staying impartial but I would rank both Black Widow and Bond above Bale's Batman. Although he has the training Bale's Batman's reaction time was abysmal. Even against normal fodder he was forced to use the environment to win. Like he did in Tokyo when he took out the lights before engaging the men inside or in the tunnels where he also had to use the shadows to win. While that makes him a good tactical fighter it doesn't make him a good one in straight up h2h. I've seen nothing that puts him above Bond or Widow in that regard who were both able to take out multiple enemies in plain sight with guns pointed on them.

I've already explained that Bale's Batman was more of a practical fighter and relied on his fighting style more, while Craig was more of a shooter. Widow was doing alot of unnecessary flips and so, I'm not saying Bale's Batman would defeat Bond. If Bond had weapons, he'd take it, but in straight up h2h, Bond wins. Bond was using weapons and was fighting to kill, Batman wasn't. It wasn't his reaction time, it was just the camera angles. The fight scenes were bad, but that doesn't necessarily mean he had bad reaction time. We saw Batman disarming thugs, disarming SWAT and giving Ra's a run for his money. People are severely underestimating Bale's Batman, but Craig's Bond just doesn't stack up as a fighter. I'd also like to add, that 007 was struggling with that man in the beginning of Casino Royale. While Bale's Batman was taking on tougher opponents.

#13 Posted by Strider92 (18018 posts) - - Show Bio

@Frozen said:

I've already explained that Bale's Batman was more of a practical fighter and relied on his fighting style more,

I won't argue with this. Batman was a lot more methodical in his fighting than either Bond or BW but I still disagree he is as good at fighting as them. For example in Japan when Bats cut the power and KO'd a few guards before escaping with the guy. His fighting wasn't that great and pretty slow. Especially if you compare it to Bond storming the Embassy in Casino Royale. He didn't have any of the shadows Batman did to creep up on the guards and was able to disarm and beat quite few of them in h2h simply because he was fast enough and smart enough to get into h2h before they could shoot him. I've never seen Batman beat anyone like this when placed in the same situation without the aid of shadows.

Bond's reactions are considerably high. He was able to kill the guy in Royale and shoot a barrel of explosives before nay of the guards could fire 1 shot. They even had their weapons trained on him. Thats some damn good reactions right there.

#14 Posted by Frozen (19795 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

@Frozen said:

I've already explained that Bale's Batman was more of a practical fighter and relied on his fighting style more,

I won't argue with this. Batman was a lot more methodical in his fighting than either Bond or BW but I still disagree he is as good at fighting as them. For example in Japan when Bats cut the power and KO'd a few guards before escaping with the guy. His fighting wasn't that great and pretty slow. Especially if you compare it to Bond storming the Embassy in Casino Royale. He didn't have any of the shadows Batman did to creep up on the guards and was able to disarm and beat quite few of them in h2h simply because he was fast enough and smart enough to get into h2h before they could shoot him. I've never seen Batman beat anyone like this when placed in the same situation without the aid of shadows.

Bond's reactions are considerably high. He was able to kill the guy in Royale and shoot a barrel of explosives before nay of the guards could fire 1 shot. They even had their weapons trained on him. Thats some damn good reactions right there.

That's the thing. Craig's Bond relied more on his physical stats rather than his fighting ability, while Craig may be faster. Batman was also in great physical condition, Craig's style was brutal and a bit sloppy. While Batman had more emphasis on his fighting-style, he'd counter-attack Craig in a h2h fight. Craig did have better reactions but keep in mind that he was a shooter too, he needed those reactions for whenever he came to a situation he'd be prepared with his gun. Like when he got his second kill to become a 00 agent, yes he did incorporate that into his fighting style but there is a difference between his reaction in shooting and his reactions in h2h fighting, in shooting he pulls out his gun and fires, fighting is another story. Batman's methodical fighting style would be able to pick apart Craig's style, counter his moves, etc. Batman was just better suited to the style of fighting to which he adapted, if he had used Craig's style, he'd have been shot and quite possibly killed. As I was saying, Bond does have better reactions, I'll agree. But Batman had more emphasis on his fighting style as well as being in top physical condition, if they did come into a h2h encounter - I'd bet on Batman, simply because he's took on better opponents, more experienced and his methodical style of fighting would work well against Craig's style. But give them weapons, Bond takes it. I just think that Bale's Batman is underestimated here, some people need to look into his style of fighting, it didn't involve flips and Kung-Fu kicks.

#15 Posted by Strider92 (18018 posts) - - Show Bio

@Frozen: We'll agree to disagree for the moment. Maybe someone will make a James Bond Vs Batman thread later and we can have a go then :p

#16 Posted by RingSlinger (576 posts) - - Show Bio

i say rnd one widow, the last two bond

#17 Posted by Deranged Midget (18230 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm actually inclined to give Bond the first round. He's shown a decent amount of durability and while Widow might be faster, I'd say the skill level is arguably the same as the most skilled person she's taken out is Hawkeye and he's featless in regards to hand-to-hand.

Round 2 I'm going to give to Widow as she's one of Shield's best trained agents and she infiltrated Stark's life without him even noticing.

Round 3 I'll probably give to Bond due to his creativity and persistance.

#18 Posted by Jayfournines (4160 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1: Bond has sex with Widow

Round 2: Bond has sex with Widow

#19 Posted by Strider92 (18018 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jayfournines said:

Round 1: Bond has sex with Widow

Round 2: Bond has sex with Widow

Very interestingly deduced theories. I wonder what your opinion is of Round 3 lol!

#20 Posted by Jayfournines (4160 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

@Jayfournines said:

Round 1: Bond has sex with Widow

Round 2: Bond has sex with Widow

Very interestingly deduced theories. I wonder what your opinion is of Round 3 lol!

Round 3? Bond......has sex with widow.

#21 Posted by kingkronos (2532 posts) - - Show Bio

Bond stomps in all rounds. BW is out of her league here.

#22 Posted by Nefarious (28019 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Widow.

#23 Posted by Glitch_Spawn (17179 posts) - - Show Bio

@Bo88gdan said:

Black widow falls on Bond`s charm and goes in bed with him.End of story .

Ha

#24 Posted by Bane_of_sith (2911 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1.and 2. Bond round 3. Widow,,because she most likely has some kind of insane new shield tec

#25 Posted by ChaosMarvel (1046 posts) - - Show Bio

@Glitch_Spawn said:

@Bo88gdan said:

Black widow falls on Bond`s charm and goes in bed with him.End of story .

Ha

Given both their personalities this is quite a likely scenario.......

#26 Posted by kingkronos (2532 posts) - - Show Bio

@Bane_of_sith said:

Round 1.and 2. Bond round 3. Widow,,because she most likely has some kind of insane new shield tec

Like what?

#27 Posted by Bane_of_sith (2911 posts) - - Show Bio

In the films shield is able to access every wireless device to monitor and search for people,,,they found Bruce banner in India and found Loki in germany in a matter of minutes of him poking his head out into society,,,I think in a crowded place like this with everyone walking around with cell phones and iPads it wouldn't take long for shield to find him and relay the info to BW

#28 Posted by Bane_of_sith (2911 posts) - - Show Bio

None of the people I listed were wearing some kind of tracking device and were found easily,,,Bruce was deep in some Indian s$&@ hole and they found him as well

#29 Posted by OmegaDynasty (10492 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jayfournines said:

@Strider92 said:

@Jayfournines said:

Round 1: Bond has sex with Widow

Round 2: Bond has sex with Widow

Very interestingly deduced theories. I wonder what your opinion is of Round 3 lol!

Round 3? Bond......has sex with widow.

  
#30 Edited by kingkronos (2532 posts) - - Show Bio

@Bane_of_sith said:

In the films shield is able to access every wireless device to monitor and search for people,,,they found Bruce banner in India and found Loki in germany in a matter of minutes of him poking his head out into society,,,I think in a crowded place like this with everyone walking around with cell phones and iPads it wouldn't take long for shield to find him and relay the info to BW

And you do realize that MI6 is a British intelligence agency? Which has access to satellites, cameras, ECHELON, etc.... Shield has nothing on intelligence agencies such as MI6 and CIA.

And any trained agent knows that turning his cell phone and other electronic devices is the FIRST thing that he must do when being hunted or pursued.

#31 Posted by Bane_of_sith (2911 posts) - - Show Bio

Shield was using everyone on earths cell phones,,,of course they wouldn't track his but I don't see how he could be in such a crowded place with out one cell phone or wireless device spotting him,,,I never said they have greater tec then CIA or British intelligence but in comics the technology used is quite impressive

#32 Posted by kingkronos (2532 posts) - - Show Bio

@Bane_of_sith: I completely don't understand your reasoning. Of course he will be in a place full of cell phones, but how could shield possibly know to which cell phone Bond is near to? I think you mean a face recognition system would pick Bond's face, and they could track his location. True. But MI6 has the same technology. And the OP didn't tell whether they have their respective agency's help. So we have to assume that each is working alone.

#33 Posted by Frozen (19795 posts) - - Show Bio
@Strider92 said:

@Frozen: We'll agree to disagree for the moment. Maybe someone will make a James Bond Vs Batman thread later and we can have a go then :p

Perhaps so :P
#34 Posted by Strider92 (18018 posts) - - Show Bio

@Bane_of_sith said:

None of the people I listed were wearing some kind of tracking device and were found easily,,,Bruce was deep in some Indian s$&@ hole and they found him as well

One thing I will point out is that when Bruce said "You finally tracked me down?" Black Widow replied "We never lost lost you." Implying that they hadn't use their tech to find him but had just been tracking him since the last movie. Had they not had any sign of Banner and were then asked to track him down i'm fairly confident it would have been hard as they would have no idea where to start looking.

#35 Posted by laflux (20605 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

@Jayfournines said:

Round 1: Bond has sex with Widow

Round 2: Bond has sex with Widow

Very interestingly deduced theories. I wonder what your opinion is of Round 3 lol!

he has sex with widow ;-p

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#36 Posted by Bane_of_sith (2911 posts) - - Show Bio

That's what iwas saying...they used the cell phones to find Loki through facial recognition,,I should have been more specific but I figured you would know what i meant when I mentioned the avengers movie examples,,,but I guess your right the op doesn't state they have agency help,,it just says standard gear,,,that's not included bond takes all three

#37 Posted by grimlock (1583 posts) - - Show Bio

widow takes all

#38 Posted by Frozen (19795 posts) - - Show Bio

@grimlock said:

widow takes all

Wrong.

#39 Posted by grimlock (1583 posts) - - Show Bio

@Frozen said:

@grimlock said:

widow takes all

Wrong.

Really? her martial arts is way above bond. and her mind games are cool too. she was able to play loki at some point...humble opinion

#40 Posted by kingkronos (2532 posts) - - Show Bio

@Bane_of_sith said:

That's what iwas saying...they used the cell phones to find Loki through facial recognition,,I should have been more specific but I figured you would know what i meant when I mentioned the avengers movie examples,,,but I guess your right the op doesn't state they have agency help,,it just says standard gear,,,that's not included bond takes all three

Which cell phones? They used cameras which captured Loki's face.

@grimlock said:

Really? her martial arts is way above bond. and her mind games are cool too. she was able to play loki at some point...humble opinion

No they aren't above Bond. And not to mention that Bond has the strength advantage. And LOL at playing with Loki, that was ridiculous.

#41 Posted by Frozen (19795 posts) - - Show Bio

@grimlock said:

@Frozen said:

@grimlock said:

widow takes all

Wrong.

Really? her martial arts is way above bond. and her mind games are cool too. she was able to play loki at some point...humble opinion

She was doing alot of unnecessary flips, Bond's style is quicker and efficient. He'd take her out.

#42 Posted by Xanni15 (6791 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingkronos said:

@grimlock said:

Really? her martial arts is way above bond. and her mind games are cool too. she was able to play loki at some point...humble opinion

No they aren't above Bond. And not to mention that Bond has the strength advantage. And LOL at playing with Loki, that was ridiculous.

Bond is susceptible to the wiles of a woman. :P

#43 Posted by Bane_of_sith (2911 posts) - - Show Bio

The footage of Loki was just below head level and moving,,proving that is was from a wireless device like a cell phone not a stationary surveillance device that is usually mounted 10 to 15 feet above the ground to capture the crowd.

#44 Posted by tg1982 (2748 posts) - - Show Bio

Round one. I'd go with Black Widow. I think she's faster and more agile.

Round two. Black Widow, she tricked Loki into giving her intel, that's impressive.

Round three. Unsure but Widow still wins the first two rounds. Just my opinion, tho.

#45 Posted by Dextersinister (7433 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1: Bond easily, the new Bond films have incorporated realistic fighting style which completely dominate the showy fighting style of the Widow never mind the massive difference in weight and strength, the Widow has no showing against anyone but mooks and a mind controlled bow specialist.

Round 2:The interrogation scenes with the Widow where painful bad, the interrogation in Casino Royal was a different kind of painful but it is remarkably strong showing that Widow has nothing to compare to.

Round 3: Widow may take this with superior equipment.

#46 Posted by RisingBean (6003 posts) - - Show Bio

@Deranged Midget: "Round 2 I'm going to give to Widow as she's one of Shield's best trained agents and she infiltrated Stark's life without him even noticing."

Incorrect. Stark noticed. Well he noticed her infiltrating his gym at any rate. Can you blame him?

#47 Posted by acer51 (2430 posts) - - Show Bio

In the comics Widow easily.

Movie version? Bond has a chance but Widow still has the advantage.

#48 Posted by halovsmarvel (122 posts) - - Show Bio

1. Round One goes to Bond though not easily, Their training was probably pretty similar, but as already stated Black Widow used overly excessive acrobatic manuvers to prolong the fight while Bond would go for the easoest possible way to down Widow.

2. Probably breaks down to sex

3. Bond wins for the simple fact that Black Widow is using standard gear which while more advanced than Bond's means she is wearing her black jumpsuit. That plus her red hair mean she is easier to spot and gives Bond an advantage. so he would win this round 7/10 times

#49 Posted by protectyournose (912 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1. James Bond.

Round 2. Black Widow should win in a good fight.

Round 3. James Bond

#50 Posted by kingkronos (2532 posts) - - Show Bio

@protectyournose said:

Round 2. Black Widow should win in a good fight.

There is no fighting in round 2. And since when is BW better than Bond in spying?