#1 Posted by DEADPOOL (2702 posts) - - Show Bio

Who'd win?

Itachi

Jiraiya

#2 Posted by Niko Belic (35 posts) - - Show Bio

jirya

#3 Posted by Lantern Of Hatred (1584 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiraiya by a many miles, and many raped women.

#4 Posted by Crimson Dominion (450 posts) - - Show Bio

Lantern Of Hatred says:

"Jiraiya by a many miles, and many raped women."

LOL! Ditto.

#5 Posted by iVi33K0 (311 posts) - - Show Bio

Sike naw but I dunno

#6 Posted by brainiac 1.0 (4150 posts) - - Show Bio

Lantern Of Hatred says:

"Jiraiya by a many miles, and many raped women."
#7 Posted by Resonate (15054 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, Itachi said that he couldnt defeat Jiraiya (if he were to fight him, they would end up killing eachother in the process), Jiraiya said he couldn;t defeat Orochimaru, and Orochimaru is afraid of (and was beaten by) Itachi

Im willing to call this a draw many times before I go in either's favor, for a lot of reasons that im too lazy to list right now

#8 Posted by Nighthunter (28580 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiraiya, the mangekyou sharingan may be a problem though

#9 Posted by Crimson Dominion (450 posts) - - Show Bio

Resonate says:

"Well, Itachi said that he couldnt defeat Jiraiya (if he were to fight him, they would end up killing eachother in the process), Jiraiya said he couldn;t defeat Orochimaru, and Orochimaru is afraid of (and was beaten by) Itachi Im willing to call this a draw many times before I go in either's favor, for a lot of reasons that im too lazy to list right now"

good point.

#10 Posted by DEADPOOL (2702 posts) - - Show Bio

Resonate says:

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I too would say it's a draw, however I don't know if Itachi is aware of Hermit Mode.

Orochimaru is also a tricky subject for both parties. Jiraiya tried to capture Orochimaru 20-ish years ago, as we know it's harder to capture than to kill... not that killing was an option for Jiraiya. They have also both become increasingly powerful since then and it's hard to say if Orochimaru is still better, especially since his immortality jutsu won't let him fight in prolonged battles.


When Itachi and Orochimaru encountered each other the first time, Orochimaru arrogantly walked up to him and tried to stare him down to take his body. It wasn't a "fight."

#11 Posted by Resonate (15054 posts) - - Show Bio

DEADPOOL says:

"Resonate says:
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I too would say it's a draw, however I don't know if Itachi is aware of Hermit Mode. Orochimaru is also a tricky subject for both parties. Jiraiya tried to capture Orochimaru 20-ish years ago, as we know it's harder to capture than to kill... not that killing was an option for Jiraiya. They have also both become increasingly powerful since then and it's hard to say if Orochimaru is still better, especially since his immortality jutsu won't let him fight in prolonged battles.
When Itachi and Orochimaru encountered each other the first time, Orochimaru arrogantly walked up to him and tried to stare him down to take his body. It wasn't a "fight.""
Mental battles are a form of combat, and Itachi brutally slaughtered him the last time they met before he diedBut does Jiraiya know about Susanoo? and it would depend on what time period we;re setting this up with...if they were to both go all out with their best Jutsu and best techniques, I think that in the end he could trump with Susanoo over Hermit Mode
#12 Posted by Resonate (15054 posts) - - Show Bio

I dont know about that, but Im pretty sure that he would win about the same way he did here

#13 Posted by Shiryu (2892 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, Susanoo would make Jiraiya Itachi's b!tch.

#14 Posted by DEADPOOL (2702 posts) - - Show Bio

But does Jiraiya know about Susanoo? and it would depend on what time period we;re setting this up with...

if they were to both go all out with their best Jutsu and best techniques, I think that in the end he could trump with Susanoo over Hermit Mode

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Orochimaru was once again cocky in their second encounter. Itachi was clearly almost out of chakra, blind, and injured, and Orochimaru didn't believe that Susanoo's sword posed a threat to him because of his immortality. He just stood there going on a villainous monologue only to find out the hard way that he's screwed.

Keep in mind that Jiraiya is not immortal, so whether or not he knows about the sword's special ability, he isn't going to let himself get struck. The sword also has a limited range, and the shield only blocks from one direction. Not only that, but Susanoo obviously has a time limit. If Jiraiya is able to wait it out, he'd win by default. If he did take the risk of trying to take Itachi out before then, he has a few options: Swamp of the Underworld will stop Susanoo from moving... maybe even drown Itachi. He could use summons or Shadow Clones to attempt to surround Susanoo and attack from all directions. His Silhouette Flattening Manipulation could be useful to take control of Itachi's body. And of course, there's the Frog Song which not even Susanoo's shield can stop.


Post Edited:2008-06-04 11:11:31

#15 Posted by Rdeegvainl (775 posts) - - Show Bio

And who's to say that version of orochimaru is in an sort of shape to fight?

#16 Posted by DEADPOOL (2702 posts) - - Show Bio

Rdeegvainl says:

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Honestly, I don't know how he even had a body.

#17 Posted by Jusdre (31 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiraiya

#18 Posted by Lantern Of Hatred (1584 posts) - - Show Bio

Here is something your all not understanding Jiraiya > Orochimaru

#19 Posted by Resonate (15054 posts) - - Show Bio

I wouldnt so much say that Susanoo jhas a time limit, as we dont know much about it yet at all. The shield can only block from one direction, but it isn't like he can't move it either. Now, even if Orochi hadn;t wasted time monologuing before that last fight, seeing the amount of speed that the heads came off I don't think it would have entirely mattered when it came to that because of how big he was to start with. Also, you don;t need to kill someone in order to defeat them, and when I say he slaughtered him I mean he basically kinda owned him in the fight. Not that he killed him, but that he seriously overkilled on that one :P

That is a good point about him acknowledging that he knew about Susanoo, but I dont think it's a matter of letting himself get hit, as it didn't look like he could do much to avoid it seeing the speed and acciracy in which it happened. On another note, excluding Susanoo, I'm willing to bet that Tsukuyomi would be able to get him in a hold for something. Sasuke did break out of it, but I think that may simply have to do with him having his own Sharingan.

Also, with Amaterasu, I'm willing to bet that he would be much more of a threat than with either of the other three jutsu, and then lets not forget his Taijutsu skill also. I might sound like a fanboy with this, but I do think that Itachi would win if it was solely a taijutsu battle. Then there is the jutsu copying that he didn't ever seem to use...though he could. Most of Jiraiya's techniques would be sent straight back at him, I'm sure, but I don;t know too much about the nature of Jiraiya's attacks...

#20 Posted by DEADPOOL (2702 posts) - - Show Bio

That is a good point about him acknowledging that he knew about Susanoo, but I dont think it's a matter of letting himself get hit, as it didn't look like he could do much to avoid it seeing the speed and acciracy in which it happened. On another note, excluding Susanoo, I'm willing to bet that Tsukuyomi would be able to get him in a hold for something. Sasuke did break out of it, but I think that may simply have to do with him having his own Sharingan.

Also, with Amaterasu, I'm willing to bet that he would be much more of a threat than with either of the other three jutsu, and then lets not forget his Taijutsu skill also. I might sound like a fanboy with this, but I do think that Itachi would win if it was solely a taijutsu battle. Then there is the jutsu copying that he didn't ever seem to use...though he could. Most of Jiraiya's techniques would be sent straight back at him, I'm sure, but I don;t know too much about the nature of Jiraiya's attacks...

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There was a struggle, those heads rammed into Susanoo a couple times and he blocked with the shield.

Not really an overkill, there isn't really any other way to have defeated Orochimaru. You can't kill him and he is a chakra monster like Jiraiya. Sealing him in Susanoo's sword was the only way to get rid of him... or was it? Bum-bum-bum

Jiraiya has the means to counter Itachi's Mangekyou Sharingan techniques. Aside from what I listed concerning Susanoo, there's:

Tsukiyomi:


Blind Itachi; a kick to the eyes, Toad Oil Blast, throwing dirt, etc. Tsukiyomi can only be used when Itachi locks eyes with the opponent, if he can't see then he can't use Tsukiyomi.


Thanks to Jiraiya's Detection Barrier he doesn't have to see to fight Itachi, he can sense Itachi's movements with his eyes closed.

Amaterasu:


Blind Itachi; a kick to the eyes, Toad Oil Blast, throwing dirt, etc. Amaterasu depends on Itachi's vision, if he can't see he can't use it.


As shown Amaterasu can be avoided. With the right timing, Jiraiya could use a Shadow Clone or a Substitution to take the hit for him.


Jiraiya has shown before that he can seal Amaterasu away.

And I don't really see how Itachi copying Jiraiya's techniques would help him. It's a part of Kakashi's fighting style to convince his opponent that he can see the future anyway. Itachi also cannot copy summoning (they require a contract) or the Rasengan (since it doesn't require hand seals).

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Post Edited:2008-06-05 23:36:10

#21 Edited by TheSS2GreenLanturnArmy (31 posts) - - Show Bio

I say jiraiya because he can't be caught by any genjutsu due to ma and pa being on his shoulders and itachi would have to go for the kill right when the fight starts because he will run out of chakra years before jiraiya and he knows that plus sage made like times 3 jiraiyas natural abilities and give him frog kata. So genjutsu won't work on either(no genjutsu works on itachi because he's itach)for ninjutsu itachis is limited because of his chakra and amataratsu or the sword of tsukata are his best bets and I think a sage mode jiraiya could out run both. And jiraiya has a list of jutsu that can break sasunoo and for that specail shield that counters a jutsu with its stronger counter part (like if lightning was used the shield would produce wind) jiraiya could use his strongest rasengan to try to break it or genmoa and I don't think we've had a chance to see his strongest rasengan. The massive one he used against prim was a simple attack that he could have made on his own without sage mode. And jiraiya wins a taijutsu battle due to heightend abilities and frog kata. Itachis only chance is something I made up. He will have to make 2 clones and all three will have to use tyoskumi on jiraiya ma and pa at the exact same time and that would be extremely difficult to catch all three with their guard down at the same time. So winner jiraiya by a long shot

#22 Edited by Chibi_cute (4449 posts) - - Show Bio

ITACHI easily.

#23 Posted by Simon_the_digger (2837 posts) - - Show Bio

Ero-Sennin.

#24 Posted by The Stegman (23018 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, Itachi said it would end in a draw...but I think he was being modest, he easily beat Orochimaru when Jiraiya couldn't, he wins.

#25 Posted by Sherlock (7232 posts) - - Show Bio

I wouldn't say easily but I'd give the majority to Itachi

#26 Posted by Veravin (654 posts) - - Show Bio

jiraya wins.. I'll give him that, simply cause he's older and more experienced. but the fight wont be easy though

#27 Posted by Jgames (1616 posts) - - Show Bio

Itachi full out cause more harm to himself so it would most likely be a draw

#28 Posted by The_Titan_Lord (4552 posts) - - Show Bio

Jiraya.

#29 Posted by utkanflash (402 posts) - - Show Bio

İtachi said this by himself.... And we saw Pain vs Jiraiya fight..Jiraiya has no knowledge about Pain and he is 53 year old but he beat 3 of them flawlessly.. Can İtachi do that !!!... Jiraiya always > İtachi
İtachi one advantage on Gama-Sennin and this is tsukuyomi...But Sennin mode can counter it..

#30 Posted by dondave (34303 posts) - - Show Bio

Itachi

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#31 Posted by OhItsThatGuy (791 posts) - - Show Bio

Itachi and Kisame barely ran away from Jiraiya before. Jiraiya could totally take this.

#32 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (15998 posts) - - Show Bio

Itachi. He's smart enough to kill jiraya before he goes sage mode.

#33 Posted by utkanflash (402 posts) - - Show Bio

Itachi. He's smart enough to kill jiraya before he goes sage mode.

No they are not !!! İtachi say himself.... and ı have example for this
Pain(Nagato) > İtachi ok !! everyones knows that

but also Pain's said this '' We cant win this battle if he knows our secret'' or ''he knew our little secret'' about Jiraiya vs Pain

then we have Jiraiya > İtachi

İtachi has MS (mangekyou sharingan) not a EMS (eternal mangekyou sharingan) he cant use tsukuyomi or amaterasu if hi use his chakra's %30 part (look 2nd. Kakashi vs İtachi match-up) Then we get this ; Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi take his more than %30 of his chakra
He needs amaterasu,tsukuyomi and Susano'o for beat Jiraiya once he used this 3 leathel weapon(jutsus) and if he still cant beat Jiraiya then he die by himself cuz his chakra reservoir is already empty !!!!

İf Jiraiya turn to Sennin Mode(Sage Mode) then İtachi has a poor little chance but this is not enough for Sage Jiraiya..

You'll see İTachi has chakra and ill problems !! ... But the orher side ı mean Jiraiya 50-53 years old but he has a bigger chakra source than İtachi and more durable than İtachi !!!

In short tem İtachi has a chance, in long term Jiraiya kick İtachi's ass

#34 Edited by e3zombie (720 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, Itachi said it would end in a draw...but I think he was being modest, he easily beat Orochimaru when Jiraiya couldn't, he wins.

#35 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (15998 posts) - - Show Bio

@utkanflash: It was also said that third hokage is the strongest hokage and whatnot.. Itachi hadn't even seen jiraya go all out, it's more of an estimate on his part. And come on, even if Jiraya did know pein's secret, how would he beat them if all six ganged up on him? He started fighting one first, then three, and then all six. Considering naruto, with a better sage mode, auto summon, and prep, couldn't beat pein even after he had solo'd konoha and was handicapped at the time? And hell, nagato still had the chakra to resurrect entire konoha after that.

Pein was paying his dead teacher a bit of respect at the time. He had also said "I'm invincible, and before pein's strength, enemy's strength is meaningless". Considering how much kishimoto changes the plot, the statements are many times unbelievable.

Itachi has far too many things in his arsenal to dispose of jiraya..

#36 Posted by Flash_Batarang22 (70 posts) - - Show Bio

Itachi>>>>>>>>>God>>>>>Oro>>>>>J-man>>>>Tsunade'

#37 Posted by utkanflash (402 posts) - - Show Bio

This is all Kishi's fault but ı wanna say this... ıf sharingan powers so strong as u said..Why we call Hashirama as ''God of Shinobi'' but why we cant call madara like that !!!! Sharingna powers are too strong but too much critical for İtachi
Jiraiya has more experience, more durable, more stronger .....