#1 Edited by The Stegman (23969 posts) - - Show Bio

ok, so i made this battle awhile back on Anime Vice, since it qualifies more there, but since there aren't that many people on Anime vice i thought i'd try my luck here.


Itachi Uchiha



vs


Byakuya Kuchiki


RULES

1. this is obviously a cross over anime battle so both opponent's abilities and skills will affect each other, so none of the "Genjutsu won't work on Byakuya cause he doesn't have chakra" or "Itachi wouldn't be able to see Byakuya" stuff

2. both players are at full strength (Itachi doesn't have that mysterious illness)

3. battle til the Death or until K.O

4. fight takes place in a forest

WEAPONS

Byakuya has Senbonzakura

Itachi has standard ninja gear such as kunai, shuriken, paper bombs etc.

who wins??
#2 Edited by Marco_Kidd (365 posts) - - Show Bio

As much as i'd like to say Byakuya wins, Itachi would stomp. Byakuya has never dealt with genjutsu before he wouldn't know how too handle it, Itachi would put him in genjutsu for what seems like a week (like he did to Kakashi) and when he is on the floor collapsed from exaustion Itachi stabs him in the face. And this is just one of many ways itachi would easily beat byakuya using genjutsu.

#3 Posted by Marco_Kidd (365 posts) - - Show Bio

This is why anime cross over battles don't work between almost any anime especially the big three. They all operate in there own rules with different power levels for example no one in bleach or naruto can hurt a logia user from one piece because haki dosn't exist anywere else, even if you say they all have chakra nobody outside of naruto is going too know how to deal with genjutsu or many other jutsu's.

#4 Posted by Sissel (1989 posts) - - Show Bio

@Marco_Kidd said:

As much as i'd like to say Byakuya wins, Itachi would stomp. Byakuya has never dealt with genjutsu before we wouldn't know how too handle it, Itachi would put him in genjutsu for what seems like a week (like he did to Kakashi) and when he is on the floor collapsed from exaustion Itachi stabs him in the face. And this is just one of many ways itachi would easily beat byakuya using genjutsu.

But then again, the reaction time of Byakuya is fast enough for him to block the move. He can just blitz Itachi here. And remember, Byakuya is one of the best shunpo user in Bleach which puts him on a big big advantage against Itachi. I'm not a Naruto reader so I don't know much of how Itachi will do against Byakuya, so I'll give this to the experts.

#5 Posted by TheGoldenOne (38849 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Stegman: Do they have knowledge of each others abilities? Is speed blitzing allowed? 
#6 Posted by Sissel (1989 posts) - - Show Bio

Also, I think these videos will help us determine on how Byakuya will do well against a genjutso user. Although it isn't the same, the effects are still there.

#7 Posted by HowTerribleIsThat (349 posts) - - Show Bio

Byakura vs Kouga isn't canon by the way. 

#8 Posted by Sissel (1989 posts) - - Show Bio

@HowTerribleIsThat: I know it isn't but, does it take away the things he did in it?

#9 Edited by The Stegman (23969 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheGoldenOne: they have no idea what the other is capable of, and yes, speed blitz (or byakuya's flash step) is allowed
#10 Posted by alcoholbob (1192 posts) - - Show Bio

Byukuya wins while making a male model pose.

#11 Posted by Marco_Kidd (365 posts) - - Show Bio

@Sissel: All itachi has to do is make eye contact with Byakuya to fuck him up with his sharingan, he could just just put him in genjutsu then burn him to death with ameterasu to make sure he's dead.

#12 Posted by Sissel (1989 posts) - - Show Bio

@Marco_Kidd said:

@Sissel: All itachi has to do is make eye contact with Byakuya to fuck him up with his sharingan, he could just just put him in genjutsu then burn him to death with ameterasu to make sure he's dead.

But before he could even make the move, Byakuya already slashed his throat. Speed Blitzing allowed means he can just play with him with his speed.

#13 Posted by Phylos (2641 posts) - - Show Bio

itachi is quite the assassin, along with this genjutsu & his ability to disperse into crows & make shadow weapons. 
plus with his arsenal with other jutsus. also, i dont see how byakuya will counter his susanoo, itachi would just seal all of the assaults & possibly byakuya. 
" It is an ethereal weapon with an enchanted blade capable of  sealing anything it pierces. Victims of the sword are trapped in a genjutsu-like "world of drunken dreams" for all eternity."

#14 Posted by Nefarious (19752 posts) - - Show Bio

Byakuya slaughters Itachi. No contest. Spite thread........

#15 Posted by The Stegman (23969 posts) - - Show Bio
@Sissel:  
 


@Marco_Kidd said:

@Sissel: All itachi has to do is make eye contact with Byakuya to fuck him up with his sharingan, he could just just put him in genjutsu then burn him to death with ameterasu to make sure he's dead.

But before he could even make the move, Byakuya already slashed his throat. Speed Blitzing allowed means he can just play with him with his speed.

Question is though, will Byakuya flash step before looking Itachi in the eyes? every fight i've seen him in, he's at least given his opponent a passing glance (and insult) before attacking, and even the briefest of eye contact could trap him in a genjutsu
#16 Edited by TheMightyAvenger (1912 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Stegman: The only time I remember Byakuya has fought against illusions was in a filler arc, can I base myself on that to determmine Byakuya's skill against genjutsu or ot ?

#17 Edited by The Stegman (23969 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheMightyAvenger: you mean with Kouga Kuchiki? i really don't know if that's canon or not, plus Byakuya had help from a materialized Senbonzakura which isn't in this battle, part of me wants to say what worked on Kouga won't work on Itachi, however i actually would think a powerful enough concentration of reiatsu would disperse lower levels of genjutsu, but probably not Tsykuyomi 
#18 Posted by TheMightyAvenger (1912 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Stegman: In that fight, which isn't canon by the way, Senbonzakura united with Byakuya's sword and went into Senkei mode, which allowed Byakuya to see what was happening in the battle through all the blades, I don't know if that would be possible without a materialized Senbonzakura, but I see no reason why it wouldn't. Now if you disregard that because it isn't canon the it's a rather simple battle, either Itachi wins via Tsukyomi, because I also believe that reiatsu should be able to break through weaker illusions since it works a lot like chakra, or Byakuya wins via speedblitz. Itachi could use Susanoo, and he has the reflexes to do it to, but aside from burning up his chakra rather quickly it also doesn't seem to be have very fast attacks.

#19 Posted by The Stegman (23969 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheMightyAvenger: well i have an opinion on who /i/ would think would win..but since i created the thread, i'll hold off on it for now, but i will say your analysis is very well thought out!
#20 Posted by eatmore_payless (2210 posts) - - Show Bio

Byakuya>Itachi

#21 Posted by cascadeking09 (6752 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Stegman said:

1. this is obviously a cross over anime battle so both opponent's abilities and skills will affect each other, so none of the "Genjutsu won't work on Byakuya cause he doesn't have chakra" or "Itachi wouldn't be able to see Byakuya" stuf

It's said that stuff like this has to be specified in order for people to follow it.

#22 Posted by The Stegman (23969 posts) - - Show Bio
@cascadeking09: yeah i know, but everytime i see a [insert name here] vs Bleach battle, people argue Bleach wins cause the other opponent won't see a shinigami, it's a very weak and flawed argument lol
#23 Posted by Sissel (1989 posts) - - Show Bio

@Marco_Kidd:

There are people who have acheived speed feats on at least nearly byakuya's level like rock lee for example and probably Might guy by extention so itachi has probably dealt with extremely fast people before so he could probably keep up with byakuya at least enough to use genjutsu which would only require him to make eye contact with him

But then, how would Itachi would do well against Byakuya's spiritual pressure? It is stated by the TC that the rules of both worlds shall be modified to both advantages.

Itachi Reiatsu: 0

Byakuya Reiatsu: Very High

The rule is that when someone doesn't have any reiatsu none or close to the person they are fighting they will experience an, increase in gravity depending on who you are fighting (EX: When Ichigo first Fought Zaraki Kenpachi he was nearly on his knees because of the spirit pressure).

Also, Byakuya can use an illusion or sort of. So, Byakuya could just use that to trick Itachi.

Utsusemi (空蝉, Cicada, referencing their molting): Way of Onmitsu, 3rd of the Shihō. It allows for a movement at great speed, leaving an afterimage behind. It is a technique taught to him by Yoruichi Shihōin.
#24 Posted by TheMightyAvenger (1912 posts) - - Show Bio

@Sissel: Utsusemi isn't an illusion, it doesn't work like genjutsu, it is used by achieving very fast movement speed so he can create an afterimage. Also the OP states Itachi can see Byakuya which indicates that Reiatsu crush and other stuff like that won't work.

#25 Posted by Sissel (1989 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheMightyAvenger said:

@Sissel: Utsusemi isn't an illusion, it doesn't work like genjutsu, it is used by achieving very fast movement speed so he can create an afterimage. Also the OP states Itachi can see Byakuya which indicates that Reiatsu crush and other stuff like that won't work.

I still think that Byakuya's bankai could kill Itachi. If he used it, Itachi can't use genjutsu mainly because, the blades will still follow him inside of it even if Byakuya is asleep.

#26 Posted by AlmightyPush (4 posts) - - Show Bio

I haven't read Bleach in about 2 years (so I can't remember just how fast Flash Step is) but Itachi did lightning time in his battle with Sasuke. That said, Byakuya would bring Itachi to his limits, not really allowing Itachi get off any jutsu, but Amaterasu is pretty instantaneous and would spell a victory.

#27 Edited by cascadeking09 (6752 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Stegman said:

@cascadeking09: yeah i know, but everytime i see a [insert name here] vs Bleach battle, people argue Bleach wins cause the other opponent won't see a shinigami, it's a very weak and flawed argument lol

I've also heard people saying that genjutsu doesn't work on characters outside of the NarutoU and it's so annying. Is it that important to try and discredit a characters ability to win? I also hate hearing about speed blitzing, you can't put a Bleach character against a Naruto character without someone screaming about spite because of speed even though neither have any definite speed sets and both are shown doing about the same thing.

@AlmightyPush said:

I haven't read Bleach in about 2 years (so I can't remember just how fast Flash Step is) but Itachi did lightning time in his battle with Sasuke. That said, Byakuya would bring Itachi to his limits, not really allowing Itachi get off any jutsu, but Amaterasu is pretty instantaneous and would spell a victory.

I think the fastest flash step goes Yoruichi, Soi-fon, Ichigo, then Byakuya. Byakuya is was able to keep up with Zommari who's speed allows him to spawn clones, but I'm not sure how fast one has to be to pull off a feat like that so I think it's better to assume they are both fast enought to react to each other than to spend time going back and forth on each's speed feats because neither has been clocked or placed a definite speed.

#28 Posted by AlmightyPush (4 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the speed feats (more or less) end there for Itachi anyway.

#29 Edited by Sissel (1989 posts) - - Show Bio

Also, I think Byakuya can just use these kido as he is powerful enough to pull kido #88 with no effort.

And this one:

Noren Mekuri is a spell used to nullify types of illusionary effects that may be used to conceal something from view. The practitioner extends their hand and appears as though they are gripping thin air before stripping away the technique that is currently in effect. Doing so creates a light blue and violet aura around the the object that is being revealed as they gradually come into view.
#30 Posted by The Stegman (23969 posts) - - Show Bio
@Sissel: has Byakuya been shown to actually use those kido before though? if not, it's merely speculation, the combatants can only use attacks they've been shown to use in their respective manga
#31 Posted by Sissel (1989 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Stegman: Actually no. I don't know what to say now, mostly because he doesn't have any kido shown in Bleach that can disspell a genjutsu-like powers. So, I think it could still go either way in this fight. But, I think Byakuya is still much stronger and faster than him. Mostly because, Bleach are building buster at the least of their capabilities.

#32 Posted by The Stegman (23969 posts) - - Show Bio

bump!

#33 Posted by Sherlock (7255 posts) - - Show Bio

Itachi wins every single time

#34 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

Itachi would use Susanoo which tanked Sasuke's kirin

Or use amaterasu

#35 Posted by HaganekageOfTheVillaHiddenInLA (4 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought Sharingans allowed the users to see superfast movement.

#36 Posted by terry2012 (5074 posts) - - Show Bio

Itachi wins if he can some how manage to pull out Susanoo with the sword and the mirrior that block all attacks. If not then he lose to Byakuya because of the flashstep of Byakuya mite overwhelm him.

#37 Posted by steelhound56 (1074 posts) - - Show Bio

Byakuya stomps. Bleach characters are far faster than Naruto characters, and Byakuya is one of the fastest characters in the Bleachverse, given his mastery of Shunpo. Only Yoruichi, Bankai Ichigo, Aizen, and Uliquiorra have been shown to be faster than he is, and that is by small margins. Senbonzakura makes this even worse, I cant imagine Itachi dodging thousands of blades at once.

#38 Posted by sandiego008 (3283 posts) - - Show Bio

Uchiha wins he could catch byakuyas rose pettles (with his eyes) and catch them in his black fire that burn never ending or whatever it is. Not downplaying byakuya as I naruto/bleach/one piece/fairy tale ... just think itachi has this one.

#39 Posted by termiteone4ever (7199 posts) - - Show Bio

The battle could go either either way. There are some powerful Kido and Itachi has some powerful moves both party speeds are impressive. Bya sword is the key here for sure but Itachi has the black flames as well and susano. My bet is still on Itachi because of the powerful jutsu and swords

#40 Edited by DBVSE7 (3333 posts) - - Show Bio

This is my take on this whole Genjutsu, Itachi cant see Byakuya thing... the fact that itachi has to see Byakuya is part of the battle or there would no point in putting these two (or anyone outside the bleach universe) into a fight with him.. Genjutsu doesn't make or break a fight plus its a power so i dont get why it should work on Byakuya when it technecally can't .. so with that said id say itachi anyway

#41 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (16744 posts) - - Show Bio

Itachi. Genjutsu should end the fight.

Without it?

Byakuya can get out of amaterasu by utsusemi, and he's not getting tagged by that again. Itachi's susano can protect him against SZ, kido, and most of what byakuya can throw. Problem is tagging him. Itachi can be worn out by using susano after a while, but byakuya isn't getting tired that easily.

#42 Posted by Chibi_cute (4522 posts) - - Show Bio

Itachi. Genjutsu should end the fight.

Without it?

Byakuya can get out of amaterasu by utsusemi, and he's not getting tagged by that again. Itachi's susano can protect him against SZ, kido, and most of what byakuya can throw. Problem is tagging him. Itachi can be worn out by using susano after a while, but byakuya isn't getting tired that easily.

How fast is byakuya by the way.? not too familiar with bleach..

Because itachi reacted to sasuke's lightning.

#43 Edited by PrinceAragorn1 (16744 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1 said:

Itachi. Genjutsu should end the fight.

Without it?

Byakuya can get out of amaterasu by utsusemi, and he's not getting tagged by that again. Itachi's susano can protect him against SZ, kido, and most of what byakuya can throw. Problem is tagging him. Itachi can be worn out by using susano after a while, but byakuya isn't getting tired that easily.

How fast is byakuya by the way.? not too familiar with bleach..

Because itachi reacted to sasuke's lightning.

Itachi didn't 'react' to sasuke's lightening. He was literally looking at sasuke as it was fired, and activated susanoo. Aim-blocking. What it shows off well is susano's insane activation speed.

#44 Posted by shonen3 (476 posts) - - Show Bio

Byukuya murder stomps itachi ass.

#45 Posted by Chibi_cute (4522 posts) - - Show Bio

@chibi_cute said:

@princearagorn1 said:

Itachi. Genjutsu should end the fight.

Without it?

Byakuya can get out of amaterasu by utsusemi, and he's not getting tagged by that again. Itachi's susano can protect him against SZ, kido, and most of what byakuya can throw. Problem is tagging him. Itachi can be worn out by using susano after a while, but byakuya isn't getting tired that easily.

How fast is byakuya by the way.? not too familiar with bleach..

Because itachi reacted to sasuke's lightning.

Itachi didn't 'react' to sasuke's lightening. He was literally looking at sasuke as it was fired, and activated susanoo. Aim-blocking. What it shows off well is susano's insane activation speed.

i think it was right off sasuke released his attack. even zetsu stated it would be impossible for itachi to react.. and he did.. that is still an good reaction feat.

#46 Edited by thelocust619 (2231 posts) - - Show Bio

Itachi has literally no hope here....why anyone thinks he does is beyond me. Byakuya is on even tier with building smashers like zaraki, can fight on par with ichigo n his 100,000 blade slashing speed, and is one of the most adept shunpo users. Itachi is a street leveler with illusion hax and a finisher that never works (amaterasu). Like ever. Who was it effective on? Nagato smiled and intentionally held still, hachibi just bounced like "nope", even Raikage, a human, didn't even make a face about it. A move that weak isn't doing crap here, regardless how good its "supposed " to be, If a human can have it burn away at his arm then its not as hot as the sun. In fact, amaterasu has never once burned ANYTHING, it just exists until they cut the limb off. Stupidest move ever.

Tsukiyomi is the best bet, but Byakuya's mental discipline and shunpo speed >>>sharingan

#47 Posted by TheMagicStik (1586 posts) - - Show Bio

@thelocust619: This fight is mostly based on positioning and mental state. If Byakuya pauses and makes eye contact the fight is effectively over but if he decides to just straight kill Itachi or if he has knowledge of genjutsu Byakuya stomps.

#48 Posted by thelocust619 (2231 posts) - - Show Bio

@themagicstik: I can agree to that, unfortunately its Byakuya's MO to open with a shunpo blitz + critical hit