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#1 Posted by jasraj (4728 posts) - - Show Bio

well i guess you could call this a battle 
 
i was just on the DC database and it says super intellect is one of supermans superpowers, so that means superman is far superior to humans in brains 
 
so is he smarter than batman? what do you think?
#2 Posted by lagoon_boy (10951 posts) - - Show Bio
Nope.
#3 Posted by Aiden Cross (15562 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends on how he's written. But yes, by all logic he should be smarter because he can think and learn at an accelarated speed. You could argue that Batman has a more tactical and cunning mind though.

#4 Posted by jasraj (4728 posts) - - Show Bio
@lagoon_boy:
ive always known batman was one of the smartest superheroes in the DC universe 
 
but how is he not if he possess super intellect?
#5 Posted by TonyMack510 (549 posts) - - Show Bio

From what i know Superman has a Genius Level Intellect, for some odd reason in the animated series they don't really show much of Superman's Intelligence lol. But as far as the Comics Superman is smarter then a Super Computer.

#6 Posted by jasraj (4728 posts) - - Show Bio
@TonyMack510:
ahh, cool, it was just quite interesting to ask for me.
#7 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

He could be...... i think is the best answer you're going to get... 
 
Superman / Kryptonians are a couple of levels above humans in brain power / intelligence... they're about a fourth or fifth level intellect i think... however, Superman was raised on earth and schooled here, so his intelligence level was stunted by schooling and learning from human schools / colleges. 
 
He has the potential to be 4th / 5th level intellect, but currently only has the intelligence of a human... 
 
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#8 Posted by lagoon_boy (10951 posts) - - Show Bio
@jasraj:  Batman is a master tactician, if where talking about who is a smarter tactician; than Batman should defeat Clark. But in general intelligence, Clark might be smarter.
#9 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

it's a bit like taking a human from today, and sending them to schools from 500 years ago... 
 
they have the potential to know about electricity, to know quantum theory and relativity... but the schools back then had no concept of these ideas, so while the brain could be an intellect far superior to all those around it, it's stuck learning and knowing only what it was taught in the schools around it 
 
Genetically his brain is still more advanced though, so it's possible he processes information a lot faster and can make 'intuitive' leaps with the information in his brain that others can't... at best i'd put him at lowest genius level... 
 
If you're looking to really explore this idea, then i'd recommend reading Superman: Red Son where his intelligence is actually explored as one of the main plotlines of the book... going so far as to show him playing chess regularly against Brainiac and Lex Luthor... though this book puts Lex Luthor as the smartest man on the planet... so...
 
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#10 Posted by Gylan Thomas (2727 posts) - - Show Bio

Super intelect is a stoopid power. I'm gonna ignore it. I've never seen him use it anyway.

#11 Posted by jasraj (4728 posts) - - Show Bio
@Methos:
cheers, you explained it the best 
 
but all answers were great 
 
thanks
#12 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio
@jasraj said:

" @Methos: cheers, you explained it the best  but all answers were great  thanks "

 
Glad i could help... 
 

 
@Gylan Thomas said: 

" Super intelect is a stoopid power. I'm gonna ignore it. I've never seen him use it anyway. "

Hulk getting his powers from Gamma radiation is "stoopid"... i'm gonna ignore than from now on :p 
 
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#13 Posted by AMS (1387 posts) - - Show Bio

People whine and moan he is too powerful already today, which is ironic considering the silver age but yeah he is dumbed down on purpose and 'super intellect'  is brushed quietly under the carpet to  save everyone from the fans to the writers etc. etc. a giant headace.
#14 Posted by AtPhantom (14521 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman is smarter than Batman in the same way a computer is smarter than a human. Can he calculate PI to the twelfth decimal? Yes. Can he predict all the ways in which Lex Luthor is prepared to kill him? Not so much.

#15 Posted by Gylan Thomas (2727 posts) - - Show Bio
@Methos said:
" @jasraj said:

" @Methos: cheers, you explained it the best  but all answers were great  thanks "

 
Glad i could help... 
 

 
@Gylan Thomas said: 

" Super intelect is a stoopid power. I'm gonna ignore it. I've never seen him use it anyway. "

Hulk getting his powers from Gamma radiation is "stoopid"... i'm gonna ignore than from now on :p  M     "
The Gamma radiation was just a means to an end. A way for Stan Lee to create the HULK. 
I realise the science of comics is pretty ridiculous but I don't ever want to read a Superman story where he solves something with super thinking. Thinking yes but not superthinking. Why not bring back amnesia inducing kisses like in Superman two? Supes has had some wacky powers over the years. I just don't see "super intelect" working in a story.  It's come off as ridiculous.
#16 Posted by ThanosIsMad (2192 posts) - - Show Bio

With his super speed, Superman has the potential to be smarter than Batman since he could just speed read everything in sight.  I'm glad they don't follow up on that, especially with characters like the Flash, who don't retain anything they learn at super speed for long.  Maybe Superman operates the same way.

#17 Posted by buttersdaman000 (9427 posts) - - Show Bio

how is it stupid that superman has super intellect? thanks to the sun virtually everything about him is enhanced so why cant his brain power be? I think AtPhantom and Methos explained it best. Superman is like a super computer compared to other humans where he can solve equations, process information, and read much quicker than normal humans but his logical mind, critical thinking, tactical thinking and so on are at a regular human level because of how he was raised.

#18 Posted by mv (1876 posts) - - Show Bio

I dont know but he sure aint stupid

#19 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman has higher IQ but he's got lesser street smarts than the goddamn Batman!

#20 Posted by Mortein (2713 posts) - - Show Bio

 maybe super intellect just means his brain runs much faster.

#21 Posted by Erik (31595 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman is smarter in the broadest sense of the word. Batman has more of a focused intellect. Superman has even stated he has thought of ways to improve Batman's tech before just by looking at it. 

#22 Posted by ULTRAstarkiller (5856 posts) - - Show Bio

Maybe he thinks faster, but he uses his knowledge to a lesser extent than Batman. Maybe Batman utilizes his knowledge in a smarter or better way than Superman. They think differently, so Superman might be able to think faster, Batman just thinks better. Maybe.

#23 Posted by CalebHara (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

Definitely not.

#24 Posted by dondave (34274 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos best described it

#25 Edited by drgnx (3548 posts) - - Show Bio

@erik said:

Superman is smarter in the broadest sense of the word. Batman has more of a focused intellect. Superman has even stated he has thought of ways to improve Batman's tech before just by looking at it.

This.

Batman excels in deductive reasoning and strategy. Superman excels in raw intelligence (and application of knowledge), but rarely uses it (there is probably a contradiction in there). I'm under the impression that Superman has some sort of understanding of all the tech he keeps in the fortress. Lets not forget, DC has Batman rely on Fox more as well so it is hard to tell what comes from the Bat himself these days. I will also point out that Superman might have help from his dad's crystals for some stuff.

One thing I'm certain of, is Superman does not have his intelligence exploited enough.

#26 Posted by Racob7 (5363 posts) - - Show Bio

@jasraj:

In my opinion Superman is what you could call book smart, while Batman is street smart.

Superman would read a book on Krav Maga, but Batman would go take a class.

So yes and no.

#28 Edited by JohnnyZ256 (2224 posts) - - Show Bio

This is not a battle. A legitimate battle between these two would produce an easy win for Superman, unless Batman had sufficient prep time.

#29 Edited by Marshall_Long (1869 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably All-Star Superman though I hated All-Star Superman .

#30 Posted by russellmania77 (14542 posts) - - Show Bio

he's smart enough not to fuck with batman

#31 Edited by Cardle_grave (458 posts) - - Show Bio

Pre crisis is i believe

#32 Edited by AngryHulks (3001 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman can think faster and have better memory than Batman (he have photographic memory), his scientific knowledge is great enough to let him use his power in creative ways also. I'll put up scans of some feats that he apply scientific knowledge.

#34 Posted by Shawnbaby (10403 posts) - - Show Bio

Once again people are confusing knowledge with intelligence. Knowledge is just one part of intelligence.

#35 Posted by Dextersinister (5755 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes and no

Whenever Superman is around Batman he is less intelligent than when he is in his own book. In his own series he works with advanced tech, formulates plans to take down things that can't be beaten by physical might often utilizing advanced comic jargon regarding fictional super chemistry or multi-dimensional whatevers, even Luther admires his intellect and it's saved him from the man on multiple occasions.

The competence of other Leaguers looks pretty bad around Batman so he looks tactfully gifted but I understand that it's impossible for a writer to write a brilliant scenario every time Batman has to come up with a plan, so when Batman says they should sneak in the back just pretend it was something a lot better.

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#36 Posted by ShiZZmAhh (509 posts) - - Show Bio

As drgnx stated, in raw intelligence, yes.

#37 Edited by MirrorWave4 (1099 posts) - - Show Bio

@Methos

- Your comment above is QFT

#38 Posted by Equonox (964 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman is able to think and process information much faster than Batman, thus his potential is much higher, however Batman is still more intelligent in the sense that the amount of information he knows (and possibly what he can commit to memory) is much greater than Supes, and as mentioned he is a far better tactician (likely because he is simply a more creative thinker)

#39 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

The are about the same.

#40 Edited by Alexander505 (2144 posts) - - Show Bio

No

#41 Edited by MonsterStomp (15778 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman is able to think and process information much faster than Batman, thus his potential is much higher, however Batman is still more intelligent in the sense that the amount of information he knows (and possibly what he can commit to memory) is much greater than Supes, and as mentioned he is a far better tactician (likely because he is simply a more creative thinker)

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#42 Edited by drgnx (3548 posts) - - Show Bio

Intelligence has been defined in many different ways including, but not limited to;

  1. abstract thought,
  2. understanding,
  3. self-awareness,
  4. communication,
  5. reasoning,
  6. learning,
  7. having emotional knowledge,
  8. retaining,
  9. planning,
  10. problem solving.

I would give Batman; 1, 2 (ill-defined*), 5 (ill-defined*), 7, 9, 10 (ill-defined*)

I would give Superman; 2 (well-defined*), 3, 4, 5 (well-defined*), 6, 8, 10 (well-defined*)

* Ill-defined problems are those that do not have clear goals or solution paths, while well-defined problems have specific goals and clearly defined solution paths

  • This makes sense as Batman fairs better with abstract thought allowing him to better fill in gaps. Superman can process raw data faster and has great retention so can quickly process the raw data via problem solving; mainly by substituting known variables of equations, etc, to get the right answer.

I gave Superman 3 (Self awareness) because of the definition:

  • Self-awareness is the capacity for introspection and the ability to reconcile oneself as an individual separate from the environment and other individuals.
  • Introspection is examination of one's own conscious thoughts and feelings.[1] In psychology the process of introspection relies exclusively on observation of one's mental state, while in a spiritual context it may refer to the examination of one's soul. Introspection is closely related to human self-reflection and is contrasted with external observation.
  • I think Superman is much more self conscious and able to separate himself from his villains and alter-ego where as Batman seems to need them (his villains and Gotham's darkness - like in the movie he seemed miserable without crime to fight and never moved on - except the end[?]).

Giving Superman 6 (learning)

Superman's ability to learn and apply existing knowledge surpasses Batman's mainly in terms of speed and capacity, and because this seems more defined by the processing and the application of well defined concepts, equations, and knowledge where Superman has the advantage because of his Kryptonian brain.

BTW, I'm not counting these as points because I don't think these aspects have equal weighting nor that they are the only measures. So even though I gave more to Superman, it does not mean I think he has more intelligence overall. I'm just trying to show where they seem to excel.

#43 Posted by theONEtaichou (1504 posts) - - Show Bio

@drgnx said:

Intelligence has been defined in many different ways including, but not limited to;

  1. abstract thought,
  2. understanding,
  3. self-awareness,
  4. communication,
  5. reasoning,
  6. learning,
  7. having emotional knowledge,
  8. retaining,
  9. planning,
  10. problem solving.

I would give Batman; 1, 2 (ill-defined*), 5, 7, 9, 10 (ill-defined*)

I would give Superman; 2 (well-defined*), 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10 (well-defined*)

* Ill-defined problems are those that do not have clear goals or solution paths, while well-defined problems have specific goals and clearly defined solution paths

  • This makes sense as Batman fairs better with abstract thought allowing him to better fill in caps. Superman can process raw data faster and has great retention so can quickly process the raw data via problem solving; mainly by substituting known variables of equations, etc, to get the right answer.

I gave Superman 3 (Self awareness) because of the definition:

  • Self-awareness is the capacity for introspection and the ability to reconcile oneself as an individual separate from the environment and other individuals.
  • Introspection is examination of one's own conscious thoughts and feelings.[1] In psychology the process of introspection relies exclusively on observation of one's mental state, while in a spiritual context it may refer to the examination of one's soul. Introspection is closely related to human self-reflection and is contrasted with external observation.
  • I think Superman is much more self conscious and able to separate himself from his villains and alter-ego were as Batman seems to need them (his villains and Gotham's darkness - like in the movie he seemed miserable without crime to fight and never moved on - except the end[?]).

Giving Superman 6 (learning)

Superman's ability to learn and apply existing knowledge surpasses Batman's mainly in terms of speed and capacity, and because this seems more defined by the processing and the application of well defined concepts, equations, and knowledge where Superman has the advantage because of his Kryptonian brain.

BTW, I'm not counting these as points because I don't think these aspects have equal weighting nor that they are the only measures. So even though I have more to Superman it does not mean I think he has more intelligence overall. I'm just trying to show where they seem to excel.

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#44 Posted by comic_book_fan (5241 posts) - - Show Bio

@aiden_cross: no that means he has a higher compasity to learn but he has not taken advantage of it.

there was a 16 year old girl who was given an IQ test and her IQ was higher than hawking"s but she isn't smarter because she has not taken advantage of it.

#45 Posted by drgnx (3548 posts) - - Show Bio

@theonetaichou:

Man a Borat thumbs up, I feel hyped now!!! Thanks :)

#46 Posted by Equonox (964 posts) - - Show Bio

@drgnx said:

Intelligence has been defined in many different ways including, but not limited to;

  1. abstract thought,
  2. understanding,
  3. self-awareness,
  4. communication,
  5. reasoning,
  6. learning,
  7. having emotional knowledge,
  8. retaining,
  9. planning,
  10. problem solving.

I would give Batman; 1, 2 (ill-defined*), 5, 7, 9, 10 (ill-defined*)

I would give Superman; 2 (well-defined*), 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10 (well-defined*)

* Ill-defined problems are those that do not have clear goals or solution paths, while well-defined problems have specific goals and clearly defined solution paths

  • This makes sense as Batman fairs better with abstract thought allowing him to better fill in caps. Superman can process raw data faster and has great retention so can quickly process the raw data via problem solving; mainly by substituting known variables of equations, etc, to get the right answer.

I gave Superman 3 (Self awareness) because of the definition:

  • Self-awareness is the capacity for introspection and the ability to reconcile oneself as an individual separate from the environment and other individuals.
  • Introspection is examination of one's own conscious thoughts and feelings.[1] In psychology the process of introspection relies exclusively on observation of one's mental state, while in a spiritual context it may refer to the examination of one's soul. Introspection is closely related to human self-reflection and is contrasted with external observation.
  • I think Superman is much more self conscious and able to separate himself from his villains and alter-ego were as Batman seems to need them (his villains and Gotham's darkness - like in the movie he seemed miserable without crime to fight and never moved on - except the end[?]).

Giving Superman 6 (learning)

Superman's ability to learn and apply existing knowledge surpasses Batman's mainly in terms of speed and capacity, and because this seems more defined by the processing and the application of well defined concepts, equations, and knowledge where Superman has the advantage because of his Kryptonian brain.

BTW, I'm not counting these as points because I don't think these aspects have equal weighting nor that they are the only measures. So even though I have more to Superman it does not mean I think he has more intelligence overall. I'm just trying to show where they seem to excel.

This is a much more detailed and precise analysis of what I was trying to say. QFE.

#47 Posted by schillenger420 (816 posts) - - Show Bio

I like to look at it this way..... Supermans mind moves as fast as he does. If it was otherwise how could he move at the speeds he does and not be able to perceive his surroundings... it's kind of like the reason Flash has hyper-intellect. To be able to function at such high speeds for a lengthy amount of time you kind of have to. Even if you bring some kind of time dilation effect due to approaching light speed, Batman has no such effect. Even if Superman's brain isn't defacto faster than everyone else's it seems like it because to him the rest of reality is moving at a snails pace. Kind of depends on what's ment by "smarter". Just because a processor moves really fast, if the operating system sucks all that processing power amounts to jack.

#48 Edited by momo111191 (245 posts) - - Show Bio

he's smart enough not to fuck with batman

rofl but ya superman is theoretically one of the smartest characters in the DCU his super abilities don't stop with physical. its just how he is written and it is really only brought out when it is most covenant for the story.

#49 Posted by 18hunt (2891 posts) - - Show Bio

In a way bat,an makes himself smarter using intelligence, like someone says he utilizes his smarts in different ways. But I say superman is other than that

#50 Edited by Equonox (964 posts) - - Show Bio

I like to look at it this way..... Supermans mind moves as fast as he does. If it was otherwise how could he move at the speeds he does and not be able to perceive his surroundings... it's kind of like the reason Flash has hyper-intellect. To be able to function at such high speeds for a lengthy amount of time you kind of have to. Even if you bring some kind of time dilation effect due to approaching light speed, Batman has no such effect. Even if Superman's brain isn't defacto faster than everyone else's it seems like it because to him the rest of reality is moving at a snails pace. Kind of depends on what's ment by "smarter". Just because a processor moves really fast, if the operating system sucks all that processing power amounts to jack.

Apt analogy.