Even if Hulk's strength were greater than Superman's he would not be able to toss Superman around.
Superman has demonstrated numerous times that his ability to fly is at least equivalent ot his mechanical muscle strength. In other words, he can fly away with the things he can pick up with his arms. So that means, while hulk is pushing or punching using the ground as leverage, Supes is pushing or punching using his power of flight as leverage. He always has perfect traction, and perfect leverage, no matter the environment.
Hulk's strength is necessarily limited by his traction and the fact that he is subject to gravity.
Hulk weighs like 1000-2000 pounds. No problem for Superman to move that amount of weight, right? So, no matter how mechanically strong Hulk's muscles are, he will never be able to shove a super-strength flier like Superman, Silver Surfer, or anybody else who can carry that amount of weight while flying.
I personally believe that Hulk is meant to have the potential for greater physical strength. I think it more likely that the writers at marvel left out the rediculous looney-tunes feats of DC on purpose. It is silly for superman to sneaze.... IN THE VACUM OF SPACE... and blow planets away. That was terrible.
No. Also, something people seem to forget: Superman is not entirely subject to physics. Sure, something his size and mass shouldn't be able to move a planet. However, he can ( ppartially.) He shouldn't able to hold up a building 100 times his size without having it break. Realistically, he's much too small, but he still does it. I don't think the whole ( him moving a planet isn't strength" thing needs to be re-evaluated.
At Base Superman is Always Stronger, Hulk at Max strength may have as great or greater strength but because of other limitations has a lesser ability to wield it.
Well this is actually a tricky question when you think about it, Supermans Feats are far greater than the Hulks, But it`s stated that the madder the Hulk gets the Stronger he gets but then that would mean Hulk could get so mad that maybe he could surpass Supes in strength, well at least on paper, for example, One of Doomsday`s abilities is the fact that if he is beaten by something that that something could never do it again after he comes back to life, so that means potentially that the One Above All could kill Doomsday and then however long it takes for Doomsday to come back he`ll never be defeated by the One Above All again, if you take it on paper that is.
But I`ll just say this, On Paper yes the Hulk has the potential to be stronger than Superman, But when it comes down to it, Supes outclasses the Hulk in every way.
Baseline level. Supes is far stronger than Hulk. Supes strength level goes into billions of ton BUT Superman can't move planets and moons by his power alone again.
And all those feats of him sneezing planets away (in the vacuum of space where there is no air) and pulling planets with a chain (even though it is Pre- crisis Superboy) is ridiculous in all sorts of ways and actually begins to enter the "Bugs Bunny" level of silliness) . I sincerely believe DC comics will never,ever depict Superman performing such childishness again.
However, i can't really say who is stronger between WWHulk and the modern Superman. It's really difficult to debate the Hulk's strength level because it is not fixed. It's basically a plot device which has been written into the characters continuity.
Hulk does have the potential to get stronger than Superman. I say this because the Hulk's strength level seems to be increasing exponentially (from barely supporting a mountain to moving tectonic plates of a planet to almost destroying continents with footsteps) while DC is streamlining Superman's strength (most likely to create more story telling opportunities).
What can't be concluded is how long it takes for the Hulk to reach this level of strength.
hulk has no limit so yes hes stronger superman is in the like 100 tons or 1000 tons hulk has no limits so its safe to say he in the 1000000 ton class right
" hulk has no limit so yes hes stronger superman is in the like 100 tons or 1000 tons hulk has no limits so its safe to say he in the 1000000 ton class right "
Superman is 100-1000 tons? Do you actually know anything about Superman?
"No he isn't potential if some how a writer makes him then yes. "
@Static Shock said:
"No. "
Green Hulk(extremly angered) has better strength feats than current Supes and I dare to say even than SA Supes. His most spectacular feats are: - holding a bigger black hole than Supes - overcoming the field of energy powerfull enough to change the orbit of the planet (move the planet) so Hulk can move a planet with strength alone (not with flying power like Supes) - breaking space-time barrier with two punches (feat greater even than SA SUpes) - sending a force through infinite dimensions with a single punch (totaly above the SA league) - deflected with thunderclap, an attack which resulted in the destruction of the Dark Cosmos (also a durability feat) - totaly destroying indestructible Destroyer armour - and 2 times the size of the Earth planetoid is familiar t all of you. And that was Grey Hulk
About WWH, well when he pissed of (WorldBreaker) his sheer output was decimating the East Coast and was going to destroy the whole planet if not stopped (and such feat is totaly out of Supes league). So yes Supes is weaker than pissed of Hulk. But again the problem is that at base levels (although now hulk should be much, mmuch stronger at base levels) is like nothing to Supes, and I'm refering to Green Hulk's base level of 90 ton.
P.S. If you want I'll post the scans of some of the feats, and for other feats I'll give you the issue numbers (since links on respect threads are to old and dead by now).
As someone pointed out, a person can only get so angry. Hulk has that limit. While Superman in the sun will get stronger and stronger and stronger. I.E. Superman Prime One Million.
"No he isn't potential if some how a writer makes him then yes. "
@Static Shock said:
"No. "
Green Hulk(extremly angered) has better strength feats than current Supes and I dare to say even than SA Supes. His most spectacular feats are: - holding a bigger black hole than Supes - overcoming the field of energy powerfull enough to change the orbit of the planet (move the planet) so Hulk can move a planet with strength alone (not with flying power like Supes) - breaking space-time barrier with two punches (feat greater even than SA SUpes) - sending a force through infinite dimensions with a single punch (totaly above the SA league) - deflected with thunderclap, an attack which resulted in the destruction of the Dark Cosmos (also a durability feat) - totaly destroying indestructible Destroyer armour - and 2 times the size of the Earth planetoid is familiar t all of you. And that was Grey Hulk About WWH, well when he pissed of (WorldBreaker) his sheer output was decimating the East Coast and was going to destroy the whole planet if not stopped (and such feat is totaly out of Supes league). So yes Supes is weaker than pissed of Hulk. But again the problem is that at base levels (although now hulk should be much, mmuch stronger at base levels) is like nothing to Supes, and I'm refering to Green Hulk's base level of 90 ton. P.S. If you want I'll post the scans of some of the feats, and for other feats I'll give you the issue numbers (since links on respect threads are to old and dead by now). "
Show the scans, or it's a lie. Destroyer beat Hulk like nothing.
" Base levels? No. Potentially? Yes. He has feats that suggest so also. "
@Fist_of_Mandalore: What feats? "
He destroyed an asteroid that was two times the size of the Earth. He also was lifting up 150 billion tons on his shoulders. I believe it was part of the Earth, I'm not sure. But even not including feats. The Hulk simply get angrier and angrier. While his base levels are deff not Superman, with enough time, he can surpass Superman. He can pretty much surpass anyone in strength, because there really is no limit to his rage. And we all know, the madder he gets the stronger he gets. "
is part of the earth? did you knoe superman haas lifted more than that?
i rally don't understand what do you mean about the" it was part of the earth"
how long do you think it would take the hulk to be on par with superman? superman woulnd't let him get that strong
" Base levels? No. Potentially? Yes. He has feats that suggest so also. "
@Fist_of_Mandalore: What feats? "
He destroyed an asteroid that was two times the size of the Earth. He also was lifting up 150 billion tons on his shoulders. I believe it was part of the Earth, I'm not sure. But even not including feats. The Hulk simply get angrier and angrier. While his base levels are deff not Superman, with enough time, he can surpass Superman. He can pretty much surpass anyone in strength, because there really is no limit to his rage. And we all know, the madder he gets the stronger he gets. "
Superman pulled 1000 planets with a chain... and in theory, each planet is 100s of quadrillions of tons. The max hulk's strength level got to was 150 billion tons and destroying an asteroid twice the size of earth is at least in the trillions area. Hulk's strength never even broke through reality before. Supers strength and/or speed did. "
What comic did he do this in? And even if you prove he did that. That still doesn't change the fact that potentially the Hulk can become stronger. Anyone who denies that is just be silly. "
That was Superboy prime and that was Silverage. Current Superman can only move 1/3 of the planet "
1/3 of a planet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 150 billion tons. And no, Pre crisis Supes pulled 1000 planets and nearly destroyed the DC universe with his speed alone. Hulk may become stronger, but as for now, his top strength level is at least 150 Billion. There are also scans of Supes doing this. "
No no he did not. That was Superboy Prime. Superman (Precrisis) sneezed a solar system. The 150 Billion ton thing is not his strongest feat. This guy almost kill Thor in a bear hug and he took on a warrior madness Thor which increases his strength by 10 and he won.
This is superboy
This is Superman "
WTF when did the hulk "almost kill thor with a bear hug"? i thought that was eigth day juggernaut
and that thing abotu the warrior madness is totally PIS. it shiould take a lot of time for the hulk to reach that level of strenght to eb on par of a warrior madness thor. meanshile thor would take his head off.
" @daak1212: ROFL, how about posting some scans ? Thor beat Hulk ! "
Though he has never beat him with strength alone
@HumanNumber said:
"I think WWH is about as mad as the hulk can ever get. He lost everything he had built on sakaar, his people and his mate, everything he held dear. That's why he was so strong. You can't just say "i'm going to get madder" and then do so. I see the hulk as having a limit because i believe his anger has a limit. There only so much pain and suffering you can endure before you break and then no longer care. Yeah his anger can build up quickly at first but soner or later the anger begins to rise slower and slower until it coms to a halt. But then again, i may have no idea what i'm talking about. "
Actually Worldbreaker is the angriest Hulk But some has speculated that Mindless Hulk was truly limtless Due to no human moderating influence on his rage "
if not by strenght alone then by what? thor doesn't use his other powers when fighting the hulk. he only use his lighting once. i thor use half of his powers he would trash the hulk easily
This argument has gone on for years and will go on for more, look while the hulk has been stated to has an unlimited potential of strength he do not have the ability to reach his full power, because A. The Hulk is marvel wild/trump card hero as they set him up to be a powerful hero, or the weak in comparison to other powerful hero, but if if willing can make him just as strong. B. The writers who right him try to stay away from having the character do superman level feats, as the will have to keep toping it, as that will make him a boring hero, like SA superman was getting close to be. C. Finally giving the hulk the convent plot device of suddenly getting full access to he power would otherwise be pointless as Marvel heroes are known to use their heads (yes, this include the hulk at certain points ) to get them out of problems when they don't have enough prower or strength and give him at that power would prove the marvel is truly out of ideas.
if there is no limit on time and rage/anger,then yes he "could" be,over a huge amount of time may become stronger than superman,but as it stands now with feats id say superman is stronger.
Superman is vastly stronger than any version of Hulk. Anything Hulk can do while being "pissed off", Superman can do with little to no effort. We haven't even seen Superman's upper limit. As for Hulk being able to trump Thor, thats the most absurd thing I've ever heard. Thor would destroy Hulk in seconds. Also the "no limit to his anger/rage" is getting old. Everyone has a limit to how angry they get. It's nearly impossible to get constantly angry, especially when being knocked around in a fight. Even if Hulk could somehow do that. Superman would drop him before he could get the chance, Hulk has been knocked out before by much weaker opponents such as Spiderman, even though it was for a few seconds.
"No he isn't potential if some how a writer makes him then yes. "
@Static Shock said:
"No. "
Green Hulk(extremly angered) has better strength feats than current Supes and I dare to say even than SA Supes. His most spectacular feats are: - holding a bigger black hole than Supes - overcoming the field of energy powerfull enough to change the orbit of the planet (move the planet) so Hulk can move a planet with strength alone (not with flying power like Supes) - breaking space-time barrier with two punches (feat greater even than SA SUpes) - sending a force through infinite dimensions with a single punch (totaly above the SA league) - deflected with thunderclap, an attack which resulted in the destruction of the Dark Cosmos (also a durability feat) - totaly destroying indestructible Destroyer armour - and 2 times the size of the Earth planetoid is familiar t all of you. And that was Grey Hulk About WWH, well when he pissed of (WorldBreaker) his sheer output was decimating the East Coast and was going to destroy the whole planet if not stopped (and such feat is totaly out of Supes league). So yes Supes is weaker than pissed of Hulk. But again the problem is that at base levels (although now hulk should be much, mmuch stronger at base levels) is like nothing to Supes, and I'm refering to Green Hulk's base level of 90 ton. P.S. If you want I'll post the scans of some of the feats, and for other feats I'll give you the issue numbers (since links on respect threads are to old and dead by now). "
@ThaMessenger07 said:
" @TheFallenOne: I would like you to post scans. Not because I don't believe but because I don't have some of them lol I Feel they are closer in strength then the delusional masses would like to believe. "
Some of the posts here just show that some of us have never actually read Hulk comics.
Fortunately, i collect both Superman and Hulk comics and i stand by my earlier assertion.
Baseline, Superman is stronger than normal Hulk. Right now, i cant say who is stronger between the two (moving the tectonic plates of an entire planet is an insane feat and i can't say if Supes can do that because since the crisis he hasn't moved that kind of weight unaided).
Hulk does have the potential to get stronger than Superman. That really isn't open to debate, the end of World war Hulk showed that emphatically (footsteps almost destroying a continent?).
" In FC Superman Beyond Supes and Cap lifted a book of infinite weight Half of infinity is infinity "
Did they? As far as I remember it had infinite pages but not infinite weight. And in that reality, the two things are not equivalent. Do you have a scan where it states it had infinite weight? My memory is dodgy on such a nauseating book.... :D
" Well if it did not had infinite weight then why did not Billy Batson picked it up? "
The idea that Superman has infinite strength is asinine. We've seen him struggle with moving the earth at least, which obviously does not have infinite mass. We've also seen him struggle to overpower other characters (Doomsday? Darkseid? Ever heard of them?). And the "book" was pretty obviously not conforming to any typical laws of physics involving mass or volume.
" Well if it did not had infinite weight then why did not Billy Batson picked it up? "
The idea that Superman has infinite strength is asinine. We've seen him struggle with moving the earth at least, which obviously does not have infinite mass. We've also seen him struggle to overpower other characters (Doomsday? Darkseid? Ever heard of them?). And the "book" was pretty obviously not conforming to any typical laws of physics involving mass or volume. "
"Superman is vastly stronger than any version of Hulk. Anything Hulk can do while being "pissed off", Superman can do with little to no effort. We haven't even seen Superman's upper limit. As for Hulk being able to trump Thor, thats the most absurd thing I've ever heard. Thor would destroy Hulk in seconds. Also the "no limit to his anger/rage" is getting old. Everyone has a limit to how angry they get. It's nearly impossible to get constantly angry, especially when being knocked around in a fight. Even if Hulk could somehow do that. Superman would drop him before he could get the chance, Hulk has been knocked out before by much weaker opponents such as Spiderman, even though it was for a few seconds. "
this not a fight??,op wants to know whos strongest?? as in "no limit" im sure the beyonder stated hulks strength has a potential to be limitless.so in theory its a sound idea,but weather hulk can go beyond supes max strength ive no idea.
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