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#1 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7469 posts) - - Show Bio

vs

#2 Posted by Forever (4332 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Man

#3 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7469 posts) - - Show Bio

why

#4 Posted by Forever (4332 posts) - - Show Bio

Well considering that Iron Man gave him the suit in the first place and that Iron Man has been a devious sob for quite some time now, wouldn't it be likely that he would have built failsafes into the costume in case Spider-Man tried to use it against him?

But even without that Iron Man's armor still keeps him above the level that Spidey's armor raised him to.

#5 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7469 posts) - - Show Bio

no fail safes though and what do you mean

#6 Posted by zero edge (3696 posts) - - Show Bio

Forever says:

"Well considering that Iron Man gave him the suit in the first place and that Iron Man has been a devious sob for quite some time now, wouldn't it be likely that he would have built failsafes into the costume in case Spider-Man tried to use it against him?But even without that Iron Man's armor still keeps him above the level that Spidey's armor raised him to."

He did, and Spider-Man hacked it. It was in Amazing Spider-Man 535

#7 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7469 posts) - - Show Bio

i know i read it but spidy knew there were more so he ran

#8 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio

Forever says:

"Well considering that Iron Man gave him the suit in the first place and that Iron Man has been a devious sob for quite some time now, wouldn't it be likely that he would have built failsafes into the costume in case Spider-Man tried to use it against him? But even without that Iron Man's armor still keeps him above the level that Spidey's armor raised him to."
He did but Spidey out smarted him and created and override for it, just incase. Spidey has already been shown to be fast enough to avoid Iron Man's attacks. The real question is if Spidey could find a way to damage the suit or find a way to shut it down. Be how smart Spidey is I think he could find a way, so if he can I say he wins. But if by chance he can't then eventually he will tire out and get hit.
#9 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7469 posts) - - Show Bio

but spidy got stronger so i think his punches can effect him also he has the waldoes and glideing, and the suit bullet proof so he is stronger with the suit

#10 Posted by Forever (4332 posts) - - Show Bio

Nobody says:

"Forever says:
"Well considering that Iron Man gave him the suit in the first place and that Iron Man has been a devious sob for quite some time now, wouldn't it be likely that he would have built failsafes into the costume in case Spider-Man tried to use it against him? But even without that Iron Man's armor still keeps him above the level that Spidey's armor raised him to."
He did but Spidey out smarted him and created and override for it, just incase. Spidey has already been shown to be fast enough to avoid Iron Man's attacks. The real question is if Spidey could find a way to damage the suit or find a way to shut it down. Be how smart Spidey is I think he could find a way, so if he can I say he wins. But if by chance he can't then eventually he will tire out and get hit. "

Good I hadn't read that comic. Spidey would have to find a way to pierce Iron Man's armor, while Iron Man just needs to get a hit in on Spider-Man. It looks like it's still more likely that Iron Man would win.

#11 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio

spiderman0409 says:

"but spidy got stronger so i think his punches can effect him also he has the waldoes and glideing, and the suit bullet proof so he is stronger with the suit"
Iron Man's suit is much stronger than Spidey's Iron Spidey one. The Iron Man suit can lift roughly about 100 tons and is beyond the bulletproof stage. Spidey's punch(except maybe to the head) wouldn't cause any really harm to Iron Man, even after Spidey's strength increase.
#12 Posted by Forever (4332 posts) - - Show Bio

spiderman0409 says:

"but spidy got stronger so i think his punches can effect him also he has the waldoes and glideing, and the suit bullet proof so he is stronger with the suit"

He's stronger with the suit than without it but he still isn't on Iron Man's level.

#13 Posted by Forever (4332 posts) - - Show Bio

zero edge says:

"He did, and Spider-Man hacked it. It was in Amazing Spider-Man 535"

Thanks zero. I have to get back up to date on my Spider-Man.

#14 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7469 posts) - - Show Bio

the siut does also protect him

#15 Posted by Forever (4332 posts) - - Show Bio

spiderman0409 says:

"the siut does also protect him"

It wouldn't be much protection from Iron Man.

#16 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio

spiderman0409 says:

"the siut does also protect him"
Not enough to block an attack from Iron Man. Iron Man's blast tear right through it and rip it just like its its normal costume and Cap America was able to get a hit that hurt Spidey through it(though it was a well placed one).
Post Edited:2007-06-30 23:08:19
#17 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7469 posts) - - Show Bio

Nobody says:

"spiderman0409 says:
"but spidy got stronger so i think his punches can effect him also he has the waldoes and glideing, and the suit bullet proof so he is stronger with the suit"
Iron Man's suit is much stronger than Spidey's Iron Spidey one. The Iron Man suit can lift roughly about 100 tons and is beyond the bulletproof stage. Spidey's punch(except maybe to the head) wouldn't cause any really harm to Iron Man, even after Spidey's strength increase. "

what i'm saying he is strong without it and would put iron man up for a fight but with he has a better chance i mean cap satnd iron man for a long time during civil war

#18 Posted by Buckshot (18925 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Man doesn't have to completely override the suit either. He can feed it false information through his own suit so Spider-Man is seeing or hearing something that's not where it should be. Iron Man can also trick Spider-Man's spider sense and has given himself a version of it, taking Spider-Man's biggest advantage and making it not only a weakness, but a weapon Stark now has in his arsenal. Stark is also stronger and has much more firepower.

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#19 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio

spiderman0409 says:

"Nobody says:
"spiderman0409 says:
"but spidy got stronger so i think his punches can effect him also he has the waldoes and glideing, and the suit bullet proof so he is stronger with the suit"
Iron Man's suit is much stronger than Spidey's Iron Spidey one. The Iron Man suit can lift roughly about 100 tons and is beyond the bulletproof stage. Spidey's punch(except maybe to the head) wouldn't cause any really harm to Iron Man, even after Spidey's strength increase. "
what i'm saying he is strong without it and would put iron man up for a fight but with he has a better chance i mean cap satnd iron man for a long time during civil war "
Spidey has a better chance in his normal suit where Strak can't detect or mess with it.
#20 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7469 posts) - - Show Bio

no i'm not saying he would win what i'm saying is that he has a better chance to win

#21 Posted by Buckshot (18925 posts) - - Show Bio

Nobody says:

"Spidey has a better chance in his normal suit where Strak can't detect or mess with it."

Stark can still mess with his spider sense and all Spider-Man's physical stats are much lower without the suit.

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#22 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7469 posts) - - Show Bio

stark may have design but i'm saying like soidy got rid of all that

#23 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7469 posts) - - Show Bio

they are not that much lower

#24 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"Nobody says:
"Spidey has a better chance in his normal suit where Strak can't detect or mess with it. "
Stark can still mess with his spider sense and all Spider-Man's physical stats are much lower without the suit."
Basicly he just loses durability. And I don't think he can mess with the Spider Sense. In the other they all seemed to no nothing about Spider's. So the fact that he can figure out the Spider Sense all of a sudden seems unlikely.
#25 Posted by zero edge (3696 posts) - - Show Bio

Is this the protection your talking about?

#26 Posted by Forever (4332 posts) - - Show Bio

We're now arguing over whether he will lose worse with or without the suit. But either way he still loses.

#27 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7469 posts) - - Show Bio

zero edge says:

"Is this the protection your talking about? "

know that there was a long fight before that i think its in senestional spiderman

#28 Posted by zero edge (3696 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah the posting was going too fast lol... it took a bit of time to crop it and upload it...

#29 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7469 posts) - - Show Bio

all i'm saying is i think he has a better chance

#30 Posted by Buckshot (18925 posts) - - Show Bio

Nobody says:

"Basicly he just loses durability. And I don't think he can mess with the Spider Sense. In the other they all seemed to no nothing about Spider's. So the fact that he can figure out the Spider Sense all of a sudden seems unlikely."

While Peter was using his suit, Stark learned all about his powers and gave himself his own version of the spider sense and developed ways to trick Spider-Man's. He's explained it and used it before. It's not all of a sudden. And it really doesn't matter if Spider-Man's stats stay where they are, they're not enough.

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#31 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7469 posts) - - Show Bio

ok

#32 Posted by Forever (4332 posts) - - Show Bio

Nice try though.

#33 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7469 posts) - - Show Bio

its worth a shot

#34 Posted by zero edge (3696 posts) - - Show Bio

gg

#35 Posted by Buckshot (18925 posts) - - Show Bio

Read Iron Man 14.

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#36 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"Nobody says:
"Basicly he just loses durability. And I don't think he can mess with the Spider Sense. In the other they all seemed to no nothing about Spider's. So the fact that he can figure out the Spider Sense all of a sudden seems unlikely. "
While Peter was using his suit, Stark learned all about his powers and gave himself his own version of the spider sense and developed ways to trick Spider-Man's. He's explained it and used it before. It's not all of a sudden. And it really doesn't matter if Spider-Man's stats stay where they are, they're not enough. "
I didn't know that he devloped a the Spider-sense thing. When was that revealed? But as I was saying before he is quick enough to dodge the attacks so if he can think of a way to shut down the suit or damage it he can win. But if he can't he will lose cause he will eventually get hit.
Post Edited:2007-06-30 23:29:07
#37 Posted by Buckshot (18925 posts) - - Show Bio

Nobody says:

"I didn't know that he devloped a the Spider-man thing. When was that revealed?"

It's almost like I'm psychic:

"Read Iron Man 14."

Nobody says:

"But as I was saying before he is quick enough to dodge the attacks so if he can think of a way to shut down the suit or damage it he can win. But if he can't he will lose cause he will eventually get hit."

But he can't. And that's not only because of what Iron Man can do with Pete's spider sense, but also because of his weaponry. He can hit Spider-Man with large blasts that he can't dodge, and can attack from outside of Spider-Man's range. IM is also fast. He's (I think) 300x faster than pre-extremis (which was already faster than human) and Spider-Man is what 20x faster than a human? He's also much more durable and can take anything Spider-Man can dish out.

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#38 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"Nobody says:
"I didn't know that he devloped a the Spider-man thing. When was that revealed?"
It's almost like I'm psychic:
"Read Iron Man 14."
Nobody says:
"But as I was saying before he is quick enough to dodge the attacks so if he can think of a way to shut down the suit or damage it he can win. But if he can't he will lose cause he will eventually get hit. "
But he can't. And that's not only because of what Iron Man can do with Pete's spider sense, but also because of his weaponry. He can hit Spider-Man with large blasts that he can't dodge, and can attack from outside of Spider-Man's range. IM is also fast. He's (I think) 300x faster than pre-extremis (which was already faster than human) and Spider-Man is what 20x faster than a human? He's also much more durable and can take anything Spider-Man can dish out. "
Thanks for the comic. I will have to see if I can find it somewhere. As for the Speed thingy. Spidey has already dodge multiple attacks from Iron Man and outsmarted him. I do believe that Iron Man will most likely win because Spidey would have a hard time finding a way to shut the suit down. But I am saying its possible, like find a way to overload the suit with energy or something. But yeah I would probalby say Strak wins.
#39 Posted by Forever (4332 posts) - - Show Bio

That new armor is impressive. Especially with the "spider-sense" added. I have to read up more on that myself.

#40 Posted by Buckshot (18925 posts) - - Show Bio

Nobody says:

"Spidey has already dodge multiple attacks from Iron Man and outsmarted him."

As far as I know he hasn't beaten (or come close to beating) Stark since his upgrade when he wasn't trying to just talk to him.

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#41 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"Nobody says:
"Spidey has already dodge multiple attacks from Iron Man and outsmarted him. "
As far as I know he hasn't beaten (or come close to beating) Stark since his upgrade when he wasn't trying to just talk to him."
No he hasn't beaten Stark. I don't think the two have offically faught be sides when Spidey switches sides and made a run for it.
#42 Posted by Buckshot (18925 posts) - - Show Bio

Nobody says:

" No he hasn't beaten Stark. I don't think the two have offically faught be sides when Spidey switches sides and made a run for it."

Right, he hasn't beaten him, and the only time they actually fought seriously post-extremis(Iron Man 14), Spider-Man got schooled.

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#43 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"Nobody says:
" No he hasn't beaten Stark. I don't think the two have offically faught be sides when Spidey switches sides and made a run for it. "
Right, he hasn't beaten him, and the only time they actually fought seriously post-extremis(Iron Man 14), Spider-Man got schooled. "
I can't debate with that cause I have not read it yet.
#44 Posted by Buckshot (18925 posts) - - Show Bio

Nobody says:

" I can't debate with that cause I have not read it yet."

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#45 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanks Buckshot. That makes we want to see the rest of the comic. Well all I can say is that Stark was well prepared while Spidey wasn't. With that knowledge that Stark can do that now, Spidey may battle more carefully. Would the outcome out any different? Most cases no, but I do think it would last longer.

#46 Posted by Forever (4332 posts) - - Show Bio

Nobody says:

"Thanks Buckshot. That makes we want to see the rest of the comic. Well all I can say is that Stark was well prepared while Spidey wasn't. With that knowledge that Stark can do that now, Spidey may battle more carefully. Would the outcome out any different? Most cases no, but I do think it would last longer."

Peter would have to be willing to ignore his spider sense when fighting Tony and Tony, knowing that Pete would try that, would set a trap to take advantage of that. Iron Man was out of Spider-Man's class without having the spider-sense disrupting abilities in his armor. But now he has that and he has learned so much more about Spider-Man that Pete's chances got dramatically worse.

#47 Posted by Buckshot (18925 posts) - - Show Bio

Nobody says:

"Thanks Buckshot. That makes we want to see the rest of the comic. Well all I can say is that Stark was well prepared while Spidey wasn't. With that knowledge that Stark can do that now, Spidey may battle more carefully. Would the outcome out any different? Most cases no, but I do think it would last longer."

Stark was also fighting against 6 or 7 other heroes (it was a surprise attack on him) and he didn't exert any effort. And what is Spider-Man going to do to battle more carefully? Is he going to ignore his spider sense, which is the only way he'd have a chance at avoiding Iron Man? And if he doesn't ignore it purposely, Tony can just shut it down. I doubt the fight would be anything like this though. More like Iron Man flies high and out of Pete's range and just blasts the area. No muss, no fuss.
Post Edited:2007-07-01 00:03:20

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#48 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio

Forever says:

"Nobody says:
"Thanks Buckshot. That makes we want to see the rest of the comic. Well all I can say is that Stark was well prepared while Spidey wasn't. With that knowledge that Stark can do that now, Spidey may battle more carefully. Would the outcome out any different? Most cases no, but I do think it would last longer."
Peter would have to be willing to ignore his spider sense when fighting Tony and Tony, knowing that Pete would try that, would set a trap to take advantage of that. Iron Man was out of Spider-Man's class without having the spider-sense disrupting abilities in his armor. But now he has that and he has learned so much more about Spider-Man that Pete's chances got dramatically worse."
That is a good point. The fact that Peter let Iron Man learn so much about him does really drop his odds of beating him.
#49 Posted by spiderman0 (1 posts) - - Show Bio

well stark mest up i mean he's saying how he trust pete but he makes a suit to spy on him

#50 Posted by Buckshot (18925 posts) - - Show Bio

New avengers says:

"well stark mest up i mean he's saying how he trust pete but he makes a suit to spy on him"

This fight is not about ethics or honesty.

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