@sundeep said:
@cameron83 said:
@sundeep said:
Mr Terrific has several 'feats', due to the nature of his superhuman ability- Holt is described as having "a natural aptitude for having natural aptitudes"; picking up complicated skills extremely quickly and retaining them. In effect, Holt's ability is a slower, milder version of Taskmaster's ability, but without any of the negative side effects or drawbacks. The most relevant feat, in the context of this battle, is that he possesses the most sophisticated stealth tech in the DC universe integrated into his costume, which renders him invisible to any forms of electronic detection whatsoever. During the events of Infinite Crisis, he was the only superhero that the OMAC's couldn't detect. And given that, with the Bleeding Edge Armor, Tony Stark is now effectively a techno-organic synthesis of man and machine at all times, would he even be able to perceive Holt's presence at all, even in R1?
Iron Man's sensors probably may not pick him up,but I don't think he needs those to see unless it's hard to see or something. Could be wrong...
So essentially,Mr Terrific's main natural ability (besides being invisible to machines) is learning? Taskmaster's is kinda different, I was confused for a brief second....
Pretty much. It's not strong enough to enable him to beat people simply by instantly stealing their combat skills sets, but it's enough to give him total mastery of several martial arts and an Olympic Gold Medal in the Decathlon, as well as 14 PHD's, making him Earth-52's 'third smartest man' in official DC canon- the only character of note whose intelligence officially surpasses his own is Lex Luthor (no-one knows who the official 2nd smartest person in the DC Universe is). For comparison, isn't Tony Stark officially only Marvel Earth's fifth smartest man? So we shouldn't discount Holt's capability to put that prep to good use in R3, and give Stark a run for his money.
And when Iron Man's armored up, every bit of sensory information from outside is relayed through the suit, and through the suit's sensors. After all, if it wasn't, wouldn't he be vulnerable to being permanently blinded by adversaries like the Living Laser, or permanently deafened by sonic attacks? Of course, even if Holt's tech does indeed render him completely invisible to Stark, leaving him free to carry out a sneak attack while Stark blasts away at shadows, he'll still need to actually knock out the Iron Man suit to win rather than merely pulling off a stalemate, and that's no easy task. But his 'T-Spheres' do carry enough explosive force to injure hard-hitters such as Captain Marvel, so you'd think that they'd be capable of doing more than just scratching the Bleeding Edge Armor's paint job. What do you think?
Oh,I see. Well to be fair, Holt is gonna have to get past shields,too. And I see it more like an enhancement of Stark's vision. That's like saying Batman can't see Holt through his cowl because of it's enhancements. I mean,the HUD might not spot Holt (or all of the other fancy bells and whistles involved, like Targeting computers or tactical analysis), but I think that he should still be able to spot him with his own sight.
While Holt is definitely an intellectual heavy hitter,I've seen far more impressive things from Stark (he made it rain frogs once,IIRC. He's almost on Reed Richards' level of ridiculous,and even Hank Pym admits that he doesn't really hold a candle to Tony). In this case, Holt could be the 2nd smartest man (I think people believe that to be Batman, but I don't think I've ever seen confirmation of that), but it's about as equivalent as the title of godship in a comic. It's pretty much a title. By the way,DON'T think I'm discrediting Holt's status or accomplishments, I'm just saying that I see Tony winning more times than not,except in h2h where I would probably give Holt the advantage (pretty easily,actually).
After Stark was forced to wipe his own brain, all of his biological functions were taken over by digital software routines. Stark relies on his mental tech merely to blink and breathe- that kind of implies that he relies on them to see, hear, feel, smell and taste as well. But yeah, Holt is going to have a hard time getting past those shields- and even if Holt is totally invisible to Stark, he could just go nuts and try to blast every square inch of the battle arena. And BTW, officially (before he was forced to use the digital AI processors to supplant his brain, which boosted his potential intelligence capacity to Ultron levels), Hank Pym was 3rd on the list of Marvel's smartest men, two places above Stark. So he didn't hold a candle to Tony, he technically surpassed him. And if we're going with his boosted current intelligence levels, then he definitely wouldn't be able to sense Holt, because his mind now works in exactly the same way as that of an android.
Putting that aside though, the tech behind the Bleeding Edge Armor and Mr Terrific's costume are actually remarkably similar. Both are created through the use of nanomachine implants- Stark's are stored within his bone marrow, while Holt's are far less bulky, enabling them to be stored subdermally in his skin instead. Both are controlled mentally, through the wearer's thoughts, and that extends to their weapons as well- his swarm of T-Spheres, for instance, can be mentally controlled by Holt even when he's unconscious, and they possess shielding and energy weapons too; obviously not as powerful as Stark's, but still potent enough to argue that they may be relevant over the course of the battle. And in the context of their small size, you could argue that the proportionate concentration of power within the T-Spheres may well be comparable to the power output of the Iron Man suit. In R3, knowing that he'd be coming up against a man in a suit of powered armor, you could easily see Mr. Terrific improvising and fashioning his own similar suit of armor, improvised from the nanotech of his regular costume (Bleeding Edge style) and integrating larger versions of the T-Sphere's weapons and defensive countermeasures.
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