Iron Man vs Goku

" @The Rookie said:

" @kagetaicho said:

" Goku. "

how I don't see how Goku will win this everything is stacked against him, he is limited to Kaio Ken times 1 or 2 for a little while he can't use 3 or 4 because he body will fall about he can't fire constant energy blast because tire himself out and he really isn't strong enough strength wise to punch Iron man.

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Goku's Endurance + Durability:  He used Kaoken three to beat up Vegeta hand to hand, then used it again to stop the planet buster, then he used Kaoken times four to overpower the planet buster and send it back.  Then he fought the Giant Ape Vegeta and did quite well against it, he tanked punches/kicks/nuclear level blasts from a Godzilla sized Vegeta. 
 
 

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" @puiwaihin said:

" I don't think Goku's energy attack would win here.  This is before he trains at even 20x gravity.  Iron Man can have armor like the energy absorbing androids.  I agree that Goku's combat speed is superior, but Goku's strength in this battle is quite limited.  Remember, he had difficulty standing at 100x gravity.  He's struggling with 20 tons of weight.  So, even after healing with a Senzu bean, he'll still be overmatched in the strength department pre-Namek.  Had this been at the time he fought the Ginyu Force I'd agree that he should beat Iron Man, but in a very close fight.  In this scenario, though, Goku would need luck to win. "

Ironman has been hurt by the likes of Captain America and others weaker than him. He could be hurt by goku's melee. Also i think you're forgetting kaiken. x2 increases his strength x2. x3 = x3. x4 =x4. "

 not really after the Kaio ken x4  kamahamaha Goku was out of power he was forced to evade  because his life was going to die he was going to get caught once Vegeta got his hands on Goku he was helpless he wasn't tanking any hits he was getting hit and feeling the blows.

"@kagetaicho said:

" @puiwaihin said:

" I don't think Goku's energy attack would win here.  This is before he trains at even 20x gravity.  Iron Man can have armor like the energy absorbing androids.  I agree that Goku's combat speed is superior, but Goku's strength in this battle is quite limited.  Remember, he had difficulty standing at 100x gravity.  He's struggling with 20 tons of weight.  So, even after healing with a Senzu bean, he'll still be overmatched in the strength department pre-Namek.  Had this been at the time he fought the Ginyu Force I'd agree that he should beat Iron Man, but in a very close fight.  In this scenario, though, Goku would need luck to win. "

Ironman has been hurt by the likes of Captain America and others weaker than him. He could be hurt by goku's melee. Also i think you're forgetting kaiken. x2 increases his strength x2. x3 = x3. x4 =x4. "

I know what the move does but I'm saying he can't use it for long periods of time which is why it would be suicide for him to use it. "

" @puiwaihin said:

" I don't think Goku's energy attack would win here.  This is before he trains at even 20x gravity.  Iron Man can have armor like the energy absorbing androids.  I agree that Goku's combat speed is superior, but Goku's strength in this battle is quite limited.  Remember, he had difficulty standing at 100x gravity.  He's struggling with 20 tons of weight.  So, even after healing with a Senzu bean, he'll still be overmatched in the strength department pre-Namek.  Had this been at the time he fought the Ginyu Force I'd agree that he should beat Iron Man, but in a very close fight.  In this scenario, though, Goku would need luck to win. "

Ironman has been hurt by the likes of Captain America and others weaker than him. He could be hurt by goku's melee. Also i think you're forgetting kaiken. x2 increases his strength x2. x3 = x3. x4 =x4. "

iron man would suit in his world war hulk suit and rip goku in half

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 not really after the Kaio ken x4  kamahamaha Goku was out of power he was forced to evade  because his life was going to die he was going to get caught once Vegeta got his hands on Goku he was helpless he wasn't tanking any hits he was getting hit and feeling the blows.

The problem with your argument is you ignored everything he did previously to the Kaoken x4 was previous flying to Earth as fast as he could, fought and defeated Nappa (used a Kaoken), and then fought Vegeta for quite a long time using Kaoken multiple times before the planet buster beam struggle with Kaoken x4.  He was able to fight, use more Kaoken, use solar flare, fire energy blasts, and get back up from the hits after that.  Your argument would be like saying Superman was dead after 1 hit from Doomsday, ignoring that they fought continuously for an extended period before that.  It just fails.  Tanking...he tanked it, he kept fighting.  What is there to argue?  He took a nuclear blast from Vegeta head on and was in one piece.  It is durability whether you admit it or not. "

" @kagetaicho said:

" @puiwaihin said:

" I don't think Goku's energy attack would win here.  This is before he trains at even 20x gravity.  Iron Man can have armor like the energy absorbing androids.  I agree that Goku's combat speed is superior, but Goku's strength in this battle is quite limited.  Remember, he had difficulty standing at 100x gravity.  He's struggling with 20 tons of weight.  So, even after healing with a Senzu bean, he'll still be overmatched in the strength department pre-Namek.  Had this been at the time he fought the Ginyu Force I'd agree that he should beat Iron Man, but in a very close fight.  In this scenario, though, Goku would need luck to win. "

Ironman has been hurt by the likes of Captain America and others weaker than him. He could be hurt by goku's melee. Also i think you're forgetting kaiken. x2 increases his strength x2. x3 = x3. x4 =x4. "

I know what the move does but I'm saying he can't use it for long periods of time which is why it would be suicide for him to use it. "

Look I have to go I will be back later to cont. this.

That was not stated in the original post.

" iron man would suit in his world war hulk suit and rip goku in half "

" @The Rookie said:

" @kagetaicho said:

" @puiwaihin said:

" I don't think Goku's energy attack would win here.  This is before he trains at even 20x gravity.  Iron Man can have armor like the energy absorbing androids.  I agree that Goku's combat speed is superior, but Goku's strength in this battle is quite limited.  Remember, he had difficulty standing at 100x gravity.  He's struggling with 20 tons of weight.  So, even after healing with a Senzu bean, he'll still be overmatched in the strength department pre-Namek.  Had this been at the time he fought the Ginyu Force I'd agree that he should beat Iron Man, but in a very close fight.  In this scenario, though, Goku would need luck to win. "

Ironman has been hurt by the likes of Captain America and others weaker than him. He could be hurt by goku's melee. Also i think you're forgetting kaiken. x2 increases his strength x2. x3 = x3. x4 =x4. "

I know what the move does but I'm saying he can't use it for long periods of time which is why it would be suicide for him to use it. "

It wasn't suicide to use it against Nappa who busts cities with 2 fingers in a second.   Nappa's combat speed is also far beyond Iron Man's.  And Goku made a joke out of Nappa with his speed.  Look at 1:30, show me Iron Man fighting at that speed.  Nappa is dodging all attacks from effectively 6 Z fighters at once.
 
 

        It wasn't suicide to use it multiple times against Vegeta who turns planets to dust.  What destruction feats does Iron Man have.  Showing scans of him lifting objects proves nothing.  This is just blatant Iron Man fanboyism combined with DBZ hate, it is obvious he is no match for Saiyan Saga Goku.    Show me scans of Goku using Kaoken and it costing him the fight...it has helped him greatly in battle every time he used it.  Iron Man gets tagged by people who can't fight on Goku's level, simple as that Rookie.  But I agree with the other posters anyway, Kaoken is not needed for this due to combat speed and power alone.  "

" @glforthewin said:

" iron man would suit in his world war hulk suit and rip goku in half "

he is already to slow for goku in Hulkbuster he would be even slower. "

 The Androids absorbed Goku's SSJ1 energy attack.  If Goku tried that on Ironman instead of Vegeta he might be shocked to find all his power absorbed and maybe even reflected back at him.  Since the two have never fought in the same universe it's not really clear if Iron Man's energy absorption could handle that kind of force.  It really does depend a lot on the specific suit he is fighting Goku with.
 

Gotta go BBL.

This is about the right level to pit the top level of Ironman against Goku.  Goku would be a serious challenge and even have a chance of winning with the right strategy and not making the mistake of an all out energy attack.   But Iron Man's suit has a lot of options and at this point Goku has not gone beyond Iron Man's durability.
 
Of course, if this was a Marvel title, Tony Stark would develop a SSJ4 Buster Iron Man suit.  The hero of the title pretty much always wins.  :P

only way I see Iron man wining this is if Iron man somehow deflects gokus blast back to him, or somehow grabs goku and take him in space, and hold him there for more than 6 minutes, quite unlikely tho.  Or if Iron man use some gadget I don't know, or have forgot about.
Goku take this 7/10
Superior speed
Superior power
Superior fighting technique
strength over 100T
Can easily withstand attacks from moon busters.

" @Mortein said:

" @glforthewin said:

" iron man would suit in his world war hulk suit and rip goku in half "

he is already to slow for goku in Hulkbuster he would be even slower. "

and Gokus to weak to hurt ironman unless he sacrifices his body for a chance to hit him. "

" @kagetaicho said:

" @puiwaihin said:

" I don't think Goku's energy attack would win here.  This is before he trains at even 20x gravity.  Iron Man can have armor like the energy absorbing androids.  I agree that Goku's combat speed is superior, but Goku's strength in this battle is quite limited.  Remember, he had difficulty standing at 100x gravity.  He's struggling with 20 tons of weight.  So, even after healing with a Senzu bean, he'll still be overmatched in the strength department pre-Namek.  Had this been at the time he fought the Ginyu Force I'd agree that he should beat Iron Man, but in a very close fight.  In this scenario, though, Goku would need luck to win. "

Ironman has been hurt by the likes of Captain America and others weaker than him. He could be hurt by goku's melee. Also i think you're forgetting kaiken. x2 increases his strength x2. x3 = x3. x4 =x4. "

Ironman has also taken hits from Thor and other superhuman strength 100+ enemies without buckling.  And I did not forget kaioken.  It would boost his strength to the point where he could inflict Class 100 strength level hits, but Goku could only do so for a short period of time before tiring out at this point.  Going up to x4 against Vegeta almost completely wiped out Goku.  That would give him just one shot.  The Androids absorbed Goku's SSJ1 energy attack.  If Goku tried that on Ironman instead of Vegeta he might be shocked to find all his power absorbed and maybe even reflected back at him.  Since the two have never fought in the same universe it's not really clear if Iron Man's energy absorption could handle that kind of force.  It really does depend a lot on the specific suit he is fighting Goku with. "

" @The Rookie said:

" @Mortein said:

" @glforthewin said:

" iron man would suit in his world war hulk suit and rip goku in half "

he is already to slow for goku in Hulkbuster he would be even slower. "

and Gokus to weak to hurt ironman unless he sacrifices his body for a chance to hit him. "

Again, the combat speed of these characters is far too great for Iron Man to compete with.  He'd be all over Iron Man in his base.  It would go something like this until Iron Man is a steaming pile of metal with a KOed human curled up inside it.
 
 

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Vegeta can move his whole body faster than 18 000 m/s, witch means he can move his heads at least few times faster lets say 50 000 m/s.
If vegetas fist is at the moment it starts moving is half meter away from from gokus head, and its moving  50 000 m/s, and gokou dodge that punch than goku can react almost in microsecond, witch is much slower than nano second.
 
Reason why I think DBZ characters can move their hands faster than whole body is common sense and lots of scans that prove so
 http://manga.bleachexile.com/dragon-ball-chapter-37-page-13.html
 http://manga.bleachexile.com/dragon-ball-chapter-73-page-6.html

" @The Rookie: well it takes very little enegey to blow up a planet.  

Again, Goku is too much for Iron Man based on the fighting ability of Dragonball characters.  Iron Man wouldn't be able to keep up with these two and they are far weaker than Goku.  They had an entire fight in <1 second.  The moves are so fast that Iron Man wouldn't be able to see his opponent...canon facts.

" Vegeta can move his whole body faster than 18 000 m/s, witch means he can move his heads at least few times faster lets say 50 000 m/s. If vegetas fist is at the moment it starts moving is half meter away from from gokus head, and its moving  50 000 m/s, and gokou dodge that punch than goku can react almost in microsecond, witch is still slower than nano second.  Reason why I think DBZ characters can move their hands faster than whole body is common sense and lots of scans that prove so  http://manga.bleachexile.com/dragon-ball-chapter-37-page-13.html  http://manga.bleachexile.com/dragon-ball-chapter-73-page-6.html "

" Again, Goku is too much for Iron Man based on the fighting ability of Dragonball characters.  Iron Man wouldn't be able to keep up with these two and they are far weaker than Goku.  They had an entire fight in <1 second.  The moves are so fast that Iron Man wouldn't be able to see his opponent...canon facts. "

" @Klandicar said:

" Again, Goku is too much for Iron Man based on the fighting ability of Dragonball characters.  Iron Man wouldn't be able to keep up with these two and they are far weaker than Goku.  They had an entire fight in <1 second.  The moves are so fast that Iron Man wouldn't be able to see his opponent...canon facts. "

yeah right. Iron Man wouldn't even let him finish a sentence.
 

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" @CAPiTA said:

" @Klandicar said:

" Again, Goku is too much for Iron Man based on the fighting ability of Dragonball characters.  Iron Man wouldn't be able to keep up with these two and they are far weaker than Goku.  They had an entire fight in <1 second.  The moves are so fast that Iron Man wouldn't be able to see his opponent...canon facts. "

yeah right. Iron Man wouldn't even let him finish a sentence.
 

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That scan is inferior to Jackie Chun and Krillen fighting above.  They did an entire fight, spit on each other, played rock paper scissors, and thought up strategies in under 1 second and all you can produce is one hit?  Laughable.  Even worse for you is that Jackie Chun and Krillin are ants compared to Saiyan Saga Goku.  This is more of a stomp than I originally thought after reviewing the basic Dragonball feats that Goku even as a kid was capable of. "

" @Klandicar said:

" @CAPiTA said:

" @Klandicar said:

" Again, Goku is too much for Iron Man based on the fighting ability of Dragonball characters.  Iron Man wouldn't be able to keep up with these two and they are far weaker than Goku.  They had an entire fight in <1 second.  The moves are so fast that Iron Man wouldn't be able to see his opponent...canon facts. "

yeah right. Iron Man wouldn't even let him finish a sentence.
 

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That scan is inferior to Jackie Chun and Krillen fighting above.  They did an entire fight, spit on each other, played rock paper scissors, and thought up strategies in under 1 second and all you can produce is one hit?  Laughable.  Even worse for you is that Jackie Chun and Krillin are ants compared to Saiyan Saga Goku.  This is more of a stomp than I originally thought after reviewing the basic Dragonball feats that Goku even as a kid was capable of. "

how many moves do you think someone could pull off in a second if they attack as fast as 0.002 seconds? count it, then talk. "

" @CAPiTA said:

" @Klandicar said:

" @CAPiTA said:

" @Klandicar said:

" Again, Goku is too much for Iron Man based on the fighting ability of Dragonball characters.  Iron Man wouldn't be able to keep up with these two and they are far weaker than Goku.  They had an entire fight in <1 second.  The moves are so fast that Iron Man wouldn't be able to see his opponent...canon facts. "

yeah right. Iron Man wouldn't even let him finish a sentence.
 

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That scan is inferior to Jackie Chun and Krillen fighting above.  They did an entire fight, spit on each other, played rock paper scissors, and thought up strategies in under 1 second and all you can produce is one hit?  Laughable.  Even worse for you is that Jackie Chun and Krillin are ants compared to Saiyan Saga Goku.  This is more of a stomp than I originally thought after reviewing the basic Dragonball feats that Goku even as a kid was capable of. "

how many moves do you think someone could pull off in a second if they attack as fast as 0.002 seconds? count it, then talk. "

He didn't move in 0.002 seconds though.  Read your own scans bro.  His suit charged an electrical pulse, the electricity to charge a magnetic pulse has nothing to do with movement speed.  All that means is it took 0.002 seconds to prepare an attack.  The actual attack was not 0.002 seconds though you try to make it seem like that.   Your scan lost to Jackie Chun and Krillin, like it or not. "

 only because he gave him a chance to talk. Tony easily thinks much faster than 0.002 seconds, and his armor reacts to his thoughts. you really think a guy who can comprehend things at picoseconds is gonna have a hard time following people with barely millisecond reaction times? lawl.  
 
 

" @CAPiTA said:

" @Klandicar said:

" Again, Goku is too much for Iron Man based on the fighting ability of Dragonball characters.  Iron Man wouldn't be able to keep up with these two and they are far weaker than Goku.  They had an entire fight in <1 second.  The moves are so fast that Iron Man wouldn't be able to see his opponent...canon facts. "

yeah right. Iron Man wouldn't even let him finish a sentence.
 

"

That scan is inferior to Jackie Chun and Krillen fighting above.  They did an entire fight, spit on each other, played rock paper scissors, and thought up strategies in under 1 second and all you can produce is one hit?  Laughable.  Even worse for you is that Jackie Chun and Krillin are ants compared to Saiyan Saga Goku.  This is more of a stomp than I originally thought after reviewing the basic Dragonball feats that Goku even as a kid was capable of. "

" @Klandicar said:

" @CAPiTA said:

" @Klandicar said:

" Again, Goku is too much for Iron Man based on the fighting ability of Dragonball characters.  Iron Man wouldn't be able to keep up with these two and they are far weaker than Goku.  They had an entire fight in <1 second.  The moves are so fast that Iron Man wouldn't be able to see his opponent...canon facts. "

yeah right. Iron Man wouldn't even let him finish a sentence.
 

"

That scan is inferior to Jackie Chun and Krillen fighting above.  They did an entire fight, spit on each other, played rock paper scissors, and thought up strategies in under 1 second and all you can produce is one hit?  Laughable.  Even worse for you is that Jackie Chun and Krillin are ants compared to Saiyan Saga Goku.  This is more of a stomp than I originally thought after reviewing the basic Dragonball feats that Goku even as a kid was capable of. "

This scan is telling as that Iron man is moving his hand 1066.8 m/s which is 5x slower than goku moving his whole body, and that is without powering up, and without using KK. "

" @Mortein said:

" Vegeta can move his whole body faster than 18 000 m/s, witch means he can move his heads at least few times faster lets say 50 000 m/s. If vegetas fist is at the moment it starts moving is half meter away from from gokus head, and its moving  50 000 m/s, and gokou dodge that punch than goku can react almost in microsecond, witch is still slower than nano second.  Reason why I think DBZ characters can move their hands faster than whole body is common sense and lots of scans that prove so  http://manga.bleachexile.com/dragon-ball-chapter-37-page-13.html  http://manga.bleachexile.com/dragon-ball-chapter-73-page-6.html "

that's still nowhere near Flash speed like you claim, and still doesn't prove faster than picosecond thought. you're trying to compare bullet catching or dodging to someone who can make Goku look like he's standing still? "
 

 random encounter Goku beat the *%$* out of Ironman worse than Mandarin ever did
 
Prep time, Ironman uses some direct neuralgic cerebrum thingy hacks into Gokus brain causes him to have a fit with blood pouring out his ears

" @CAPiTA said:

" @Mortein said:

" Vegeta can move his whole body faster than 18 000 m/s, witch means he can move his heads at least few times faster lets say 50 000 m/s. If vegetas fist is at the moment it starts moving is half meter away from from gokus head, and its moving  50 000 m/s, and gokou dodge that punch than goku can react almost in microsecond, witch is still slower than nano second.  Reason why I think DBZ characters can move their hands faster than whole body is common sense and lots of scans that prove so  http://manga.bleachexile.com/dragon-ball-chapter-37-page-13.html  http://manga.bleachexile.com/dragon-ball-chapter-73-page-6.html "

that's still nowhere near Flash speed like you claim, and still doesn't prove faster than picosecond thought. you're trying to compare bullet catching or dodging to someone who can make Goku look like he's standing still? "
 

when did I said This goku is near Flash speed?? This Goku is tens of thousands times slower than Flash "

 and he GAVE the guy a second to finish his sentence. it didn't take that long for him to punch.  
 
 

 how many moves do you think someone could pull off in a second if they attack as fast as 0.002 seconds? count it, then talk. "

" @Mortein said:

" @CAPiTA said:

" @Mortein said:

" Vegeta can move his whole body faster than 18 000 m/s, witch means he can move his heads at least few times faster lets say 50 000 m/s. If vegetas fist is at the moment it starts moving is half meter away from from gokus head, and its moving  50 000 m/s, and gokou dodge that punch than goku can react almost in microsecond, witch is still slower than nano second.  Reason why I think DBZ characters can move their hands faster than whole body is common sense and lots of scans that prove so  http://manga.bleachexile.com/dragon-ball-chapter-37-page-13.html  http://manga.bleachexile.com/dragon-ball-chapter-73-page-6.html "

that's still nowhere near Flash speed like you claim, and still doesn't prove faster than picosecond thought. you're trying to compare bullet catching or dodging to someone who can make Goku look like he's standing still? "
 

when did I said This goku is near Flash speed?? This Goku is tens of thousands times slower than Flash "

you said it in the other thread. and he GAVE the guy a second to finish his sentence. it didn't take that long for him to punch. "

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 you said it in the other thread. and he GAVE the guy a second to finish his sentence. it didn't take that long for him to punch.  
 
 

The attack came after the timing so we have no way of knowing how long the punch took.  It was fast, but don't try passing it off as 0.002 seconds again.... It specifically says that 0.002 seconds was the time it took to charge up his magnetic pulse in his arm, nothing more.  Charging an electric/magnetic pulse is not movement, it is the suit preparing to move, not actually moving.  That honestly has nothing to do with the actual movement.  The movement happens after the word "Then" in your scans, pay attention and read please. "

" @Klandicar said:

"

 you said it in the other thread. and he GAVE the guy a second to finish his sentence. it didn't take that long for him to punch.  
 
 

The attack came after the timing so we have no way of knowing how long the punch took.  It was fast, but don't try passing it off as 0.002 seconds again.... It specifically says that 0.002 seconds was the time it took to charge up his magnetic pulse in his arm, nothing more.  Charging an electric/magnetic pulse is not movement, it is the suit preparing to move, not actually moving.  That honestly has nothing to do with the actual movement.  The movement happens after the word "Then" in your scans, pay attention and read please. "

except the people who can't see him here are people with superhuman speed and not just some TV announcer. Iron Man's more than fast enough to hang with Goku. "
 
 

 except the people who can't see him here are people with superhuman speed and not just some TV announcer. Iron Man's more than fast enough to hang with Goku.
 
 

 how many moves do you think someone could pull off in a second if they attack as fast as 0.002 seconds? count it, then talk. "

"

 except the people who can't see him here are people with superhuman speed and not just some TV announcer. Iron Man's more than fast enough to hang with Goku.
 
 

What is your point?  DBZ characters disappear from sight from other DBZ characters with superhuman speed.  Those scans are nothing special, Spiderman isn't anywhere near the feat that shows Krillin and Jackie Chun fighting out a whole fight in under 1 second.
 
Again...
 
 

 how many moves do you think someone could pull off in a second if they attack as fast as 0.002 seconds? count it, then talk. "

I did the math, 1/0.002 = 500.  So you are claiming that Iron Man can perform 500 attacks per second?  Would you like to retract that statement?  Considering the actual movement had nothing to do with 0.002 seconds... "

goku

" @Klandicar said:

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 except the people who can't see him here are people with superhuman speed and not just some TV announcer. Iron Man's more than fast enough to hang with Goku.
 
 

What is your point?  DBZ characters disappear from sight from other DBZ characters with superhuman speed.  Those scans are nothing special, Spiderman isn't anywhere near the feat that shows Krillin and Jackie Chun fighting out a whole fight in under 1 second.
 
Again...
 
 

 how many moves do you think someone could pull off in a second if they attack as fast as 0.002 seconds? count it, then talk. "

I did the math, 1/0.002 = 500.  So you are claiming that Iron Man can perform 500 attacks per second?  Would you like to retract that statement?  Considering the actual movement had nothing to do with 0.002 seconds... "

i'm not claiming anything. i'm claiming he can think fast enough to consider reactions to pull off during that time frame, and he's shown the ability to pull off multiple attacks in less than a second. considering there is no real way to calculate exactly how many punches any of these characters can throw in a second, it would be a fallacy to declare something as fact on either side. what is fact, though, is that Tony has the ability to think in picoseconds, giving him ample time to think of the next move and react to it. most superheroes with super speed disappear from the sight of normal people. that TV announcer is nothing special. "

" @CAPiTA said:

" @Klandicar said:

"

 except the people who can't see him here are people with superhuman speed and not just some TV announcer. Iron Man's more than fast enough to hang with Goku.
 
 

What is your point?  DBZ characters disappear from sight from other DBZ characters with superhuman speed.  Those scans are nothing special, Spiderman isn't anywhere near the feat that shows Krillin and Jackie Chun fighting out a whole fight in under 1 second.
 
Again...
 
 

 how many moves do you think someone could pull off in a second if they attack as fast as 0.002 seconds? count it, then talk. "

I did the math, 1/0.002 = 500.  So you are claiming that Iron Man can perform 500 attacks per second?  Would you like to retract that statement?  Considering the actual movement had nothing to do with 0.002 seconds... "

i'm not claiming anything. i'm claiming he can think fast enough to consider reactions to pull off during that time frame, and he's shown the ability to pull off multiple attacks in less than a second. considering there is no real way to calculate exactly how many punches any of these characters can throw in a second, it would be a fallacy to declare something as fact on either side. what is fact, though, is that Tony has the ability to think in picoseconds, giving him ample time to think of the next move and react to it. most superheroes with super speed disappear from the sight of normal people. that TV announcer is nothing special. "

Even if he could think that fast, what good would it be when his fist is moving 1066 m/s, and this goku can dodge punches from a guy a who can move 50x faster than sound, and punch much faster? and during last tournament in DB goku was invisible for everyone including highly trained and superior alien ayes.  http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v16/c008/4.html "

" @Mortein said:

" @CAPiTA said:

" @Klandicar said:

"

 except the people who can't see him here are people with superhuman speed and not just some TV announcer. Iron Man's more than fast enough to hang with Goku.
 
 

What is your point?  DBZ characters disappear from sight from other DBZ characters with superhuman speed.  Those scans are nothing special, Spiderman isn't anywhere near the feat that shows Krillin and Jackie Chun fighting out a whole fight in under 1 second.
 
Again...
 
 

 how many moves do you think someone could pull off in a second if they attack as fast as 0.002 seconds? count it, then talk. "

I did the math, 1/0.002 = 500.  So you are claiming that Iron Man can perform 500 attacks per second?  Would you like to retract that statement?  Considering the actual movement had nothing to do with 0.002 seconds... "

i'm not claiming anything. i'm claiming he can think fast enough to consider reactions to pull off during that time frame, and he's shown the ability to pull off multiple attacks in less than a second. considering there is no real way to calculate exactly how many punches any of these characters can throw in a second, it would be a fallacy to declare something as fact on either side. what is fact, though, is that Tony has the ability to think in picoseconds, giving him ample time to think of the next move and react to it. most superheroes with super speed disappear from the sight of normal people. that TV announcer is nothing special. "

Even if he could think that fast, what good would it be when his fist is moving 1066 m/s, and this goku can dodge punches from a guy a who can move 50x faster than sound, and punch much faster? and during last tournament in DB goku was invisible for everyone including highly trained and superior alien ayes.  http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v16/c008/4.html "

nowhere does it say Iron Man is limited to 1066 m/s. you're not reading that scan correctly. "

 
i'm not claiming anything. i'm claiming he can think fast enough to consider reactions to pull off during that time frame, and he's shown the ability to pull off multiple attacks in less than a second. considering there is no real way to calculate exactly how many punches any of these characters can throw in a second, it would be a fallacy to declare something as fact on either side. what is fact, though, is that Tony has the ability to think in picoseconds, giving him ample time to think of the next move and react to it. most superheroes with super speed disappear from the sight of normal people. that TV announcer is nothing special.

 
how many moves do you think someone could pull off in a second if they attack as fast as 0.002 seconds? count it, then talk.
 

THEN threw a punch which we don't know how long it

"@Klandicar said:

"  Combat speed:  Goku's base battle speed and especially the Kaoken is too fast for Iron Man to keep up with.  Iron Man's battle speed is nowhere near of what even the Dragonball characters have shown (entire combat sequences invisible to the human eye) and Vegeta is far beyond them yet he couldn't even land a hit on Goku at Kaoken 3.  Only argument I've seen is Iron Man is stronger but I'd dispute that, Vegeta rips a mountain apart like nothing yet Goku could best him in combat with his own speed/power. 
   

 
 
 

 
 
Energy projection:  Even this earlier version of Goku would vaporize Iron Man with his blasts.  This level of energy projection is out of Iron Man's league.   It is beyond planet busting at this point.
 
   

  Oh and even more...Goku would be stronger after these feats since this is after the Vegeta fight.  Sorry Iron Man fans, maybe he should be put against kid Goku in the Dragonball series.  ;) "

Goku could not match Vegeta with his own power he was weaker then Vegeta until he did Kaio Ken x3  and he can only use it for a short period of time using Kaio ken times for is suicide for Goku since it will break his body down. Saying Goku can use planet busting attacks is good and all but will he hit Iron Man with it probably not will Goku be able to fire another so call planet busting attack after that no as show in that fight he was only able to pull out one full power kamahamha wave with Kaio ken up and his fight was over Gohan had to come back and finish the fight for him. Ironman is more than a match for this Goku. "