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#2 Posted by Psyker star (3492 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku would win

#3 Posted by CAPiTA (1520 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Man.

#4 Edited by The Rookie (3126 posts) - - Show Bio
@CAPiTA said:

" Iron Man. "

#5 Posted by Mortein (2885 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku 
Speed: over 50x speed of sound
strength: Over 100 T
Energy blasts: Earth busting
 
Iron man
Speed 8x speed of sound
strength over 1000 T
Energy blasts:not sure

#6 Posted by CAPiTA (1520 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mortein said:
" Goku  Speed: over 50x speed of sound strength: Over 100 T Energy blasts: Earth busting  Iron man Speed 8x speed of sound strength over 1000 T Energy blasts:not sure "
that's about right.
 
now you gotta look at the durability and reaction times.
 
Goku can't take the heat of the sun, gets harmed by flying into rocks, can't breathe in space, reaction time is the speed of thought (about 150 milliseconds at peak)
 
Iron Man shrugs off the heat of the sun, rocks do no damage, can breathe in space, reaction time is nearly the speed of thought (Tony's thought is at one trillionth of a second)
 
i'd say it's a close match, with Goku having the flight speed advantage and probably energy blast advantage, while Tony has the durability and reaction time advantage.
#7 Edited by The Rookie (3126 posts) - - Show Bio

How is Goku 50x the speed of sound he never broke the sound barrier during the show?

#8 Edited by Mortein (2885 posts) - - Show Bio
@CAPiTA said:

" @Mortein said:

" Goku  Speed: over 50x speed of sound strength: Over 100 T Energy blasts: Earth busting  Iron man Speed 8x speed of sound strength over 1000 T Energy blasts:not sure "

that's about right.  now you gotta look at the durability and reaction times. Goku can't take the heat of the sun, gets harmed by flying into rocks, can't breathe in space, reaction time is the speed of thought (about 150 milliseconds at peak)  Iron Man shrugs off the heat of the sun, rocks do no damage, can breathe in space, reaction time is nearly the speed of thought (Tony's thought is at one trillionth of a second)  i'd say it's a close match, with Goku having the flight speed advantage and probably energy blast advantage, while Tony has the durability and reaction time advantage. "
Gokus reaction time is better than his flying or running speed, it has always been. and goku while fighting can think faster than normal humans. 
How else could he be dodging punches from guys like Majin buu
 
Gokus Durability:
  http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v19/c009/11.html
Nappa can destroy objects much biggger than moon, yet he cant hurt goku
#9 Posted by The Rookie (3126 posts) - - Show Bio
@CAPiTA said:
" @Mortein said:
" Goku  Speed: over 50x speed of sound strength: Over 100 T Energy blasts: Earth busting  Iron man Speed 8x speed of sound strength over 1000 T Energy blasts:not sure "
that's about right.  now you gotta look at the durability and reaction times. Goku can't take the heat of the sun, gets harmed by flying into rocks, can't breathe in space, reaction time is the speed of thought (about 150 milliseconds at peak)  Iron Man shrugs off the heat of the sun, rocks do no damage, can breathe in space, reaction time is nearly the speed of thought (Tony's thought is at one trillionth of a second)  i'd say it's a close match, with Goku having the flight speed advantage and probably energy blast advantage, while Tony has the durability and reaction time advantage. "
Iron man would take Goku out, this Goku especially with no problem saying Goku  has Earth busting energy blast is stupid because one he would fire off that much energy because it would drain him making the fight even easier for Iron Man and two blowing up the earth would just kill him also because he has no way of getting off the planet.
#10 Posted by lagoon_boy (10952 posts) - - Show Bio
goku
#11 Posted by Mortein (2885 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Rookie said:

" How is Goku 50x the speed of sound he never broke the sound barrier during the show? "

  Goku at power level 5000 was flying for two days without resting to get from one end of Snake Way to the other. Snake way is 1 000 000 km long, witch means Goku was flying 5787 m/s or 17x speed of sound. Than he powered up and had Power level over 8 000, witch means he became faster as well, probably around 23 x speed of sound. Than he doubled his speed using KK, but still he was slower than Vegeta so he had to use KKx2 ,x3 and x4. 
#12 Edited by CAPiTA (1520 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mortein said:

" @CAPiTA said:

" @Mortein said:

" Goku  Speed: over 50x speed of sound strength: Over 100 T Energy blasts: Earth busting  Iron man Speed 8x speed of sound strength over 1000 T Energy blasts:not sure "

that's about right.  now you gotta look at the durability and reaction times. Goku can't take the heat of the sun, gets harmed by flying into rocks, can't breathe in space, reaction time is the speed of thought (about 150 milliseconds at peak)  Iron Man shrugs off the heat of the sun, rocks do no damage, can breathe in space, reaction time is nearly the speed of thought (Tony's thought is at one trillionth of a second)  i'd say it's a close match, with Goku having the flight speed advantage and probably energy blast advantage, while Tony has the durability and reaction time advantage. "
Gokus reaction time is better than his flying or running speed, it has always been. and goku while fighting can think faster than normal humans. 
How else could he be dodging punches from guys like Majin buu
 
Gokus Durability:
  http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v19/c009/11.html Nappa can destroy objects much biggger than moon, yet he cant hurt goku "
prove Goku's reaction time is at nanoseconds. prove Goku can think faster than normal humans. Buu didn't even attack that fast.
#13 Posted by The Rookie (3126 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mortein said:
" @CAPiTA said:

" @Mortein said:

" Goku  Speed: over 50x speed of sound strength: Over 100 T Energy blasts: Earth busting  Iron man Speed 8x speed of sound strength over 1000 T Energy blasts:not sure "

that's about right.  now you gotta look at the durability and reaction times. Goku can't take the heat of the sun, gets harmed by flying into rocks, can't breathe in space, reaction time is the speed of thought (about 150 milliseconds at peak)  Iron Man shrugs off the heat of the sun, rocks do no damage, can breathe in space, reaction time is nearly the speed of thought (Tony's thought is at one trillionth of a second)  i'd say it's a close match, with Goku having the flight speed advantage and probably energy blast advantage, while Tony has the durability and reaction time advantage. "
Gokus reaction time is better than his flying or running speed, it has always been. and goku while fighting can think faster than normal humans.
 
Gokus Durability:
  http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v19/c009/11.html Nappa can destroy objects much biggger than moon, yet he cant hurt goku "

Goku block nappa's attack with his own chi that not a durability feat imo.  Ironman most likely faster then Goku's eyes and Goku cannot track ironman sense he doesn't have chi remember Goku was having a hard time tracking Vegeta.



#14 Posted by saiyan_earthling (5444 posts) - - Show Bio

goku

#15 Posted by Mortein (2885 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Rookie said:
" @Mortein said:
" @CAPiTA said:

" @Mortein said:

" Goku  Speed: over 50x speed of sound strength: Over 100 T Energy blasts: Earth busting  Iron man Speed 8x speed of sound strength over 1000 T Energy blasts:not sure "

that's about right.  now you gotta look at the durability and reaction times. Goku can't take the heat of the sun, gets harmed by flying into rocks, can't breathe in space, reaction time is the speed of thought (about 150 milliseconds at peak)  Iron Man shrugs off the heat of the sun, rocks do no damage, can breathe in space, reaction time is nearly the speed of thought (Tony's thought is at one trillionth of a second)  i'd say it's a close match, with Goku having the flight speed advantage and probably energy blast advantage, while Tony has the durability and reaction time advantage. "
Gokus reaction time is better than his flying or running speed, it has always been. and goku while fighting can think faster than normal humans.
 
Gokus Durability:
  http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v19/c009/11.html Nappa can destroy objects much biggger than moon, yet he cant hurt goku "

Goku block nappa's attack with his own chi that not a durability feat imo.  Ironman most likely faster then Goku's eyes and Goku cannot track ironman sense he doesn't have chi remember Goku was having a hard time tracking Vegeta.



"
What do you think were his speed, strength and durability is coming from? from his chi ofc.
and goku can track Ironman with his ayes, and Iron man does have chi.
#16 Posted by Mortein (2885 posts) - - Show Bio

@CAPiTA said:

" @Mortein said:

" @CAPiTA said:

" @Mortein said:

" Goku  Speed: over 50x speed of sound strength: Over 100 T Energy blasts: Earth busting  Iron man Speed 8x speed of sound strength over 1000 T Energy blasts:not sure "

that's about right.  now you gotta look at the durability and reaction times. Goku can't take the heat of the sun, gets harmed by flying into rocks, can't breathe in space, reaction time is the speed of thought (about 150 milliseconds at peak)  Iron Man shrugs off the heat of the sun, rocks do no damage, can breathe in space, reaction time is nearly the speed of thought (Tony's thought is at one trillionth of a second)  i'd say it's a close match, with Goku having the flight speed advantage and probably energy blast advantage, while Tony has the durability and reaction time advantage. "
Gokus reaction time is better than his flying or running speed, it has always been. and goku while fighting can think faster than normal humans. 
How else could he be dodging punches from guys like Majin buu
 
Gokus Durability:
  http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v19/c009/11.html Nappa can destroy objects much biggger than moon, yet he cant hurt goku "
prove Goku's reaction time is at nanoseconds. prove Goku can think faster than normal humans. Buu didn't even attack that fast. "
lol even early scans from DB prove that dbz charaters can think faster than normal humans 
 http://manga.bleachexile.com/dragon-ball-chapter-42-page-4.html
 http://manga.bleachexile.com/dragon-ball-chapter-73-page-6.html
#17 Posted by The Rookie (3126 posts) - - Show Bio

he can lose track of Iron man just like he lost track of vegeta and it will only take one hit from Ironman to put Goku down. if he can make thanos flinch even a little Goku his done.
#18 Edited by Mortein (2885 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Rookie said:

" he can lose track of Iron man just like he lost track of vegeta and it will only take one hit from Ironman to put Goku down. if he can make thanos flinch even a little Goku his done. "

you do realize that Vegeta is almost 10x faster than Iron man?
#19 Posted by The Rookie (3126 posts) - - Show Bio

How will Goku hurt Ironman  his energy blast are easliy evaded since they are slow  and his punches might not even dent Ironmans armor.
#20 Posted by Mortein (2885 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Rookie said:
" How will Goku hurt Ironman  his energy blast are easliy evaded since they are slow  and his punches might not even dent Ironmans armor. "
their blasts are about as fast as they are, and since goku is 10x faster he can easily come behind Iron man and blast him away
#21 Posted by The Rookie (3126 posts) - - Show Bio

not really Iron man has the reaction time to avoid energy blast in DBZ the more powerful sometimes means slower and its not like Goku and go around fire energy blast because if he does he will tire himself out quickly DBZ stamina is very low so is their durability if him connects with anything I think Goku will go down.
#22 Edited by Mortein (2885 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Rookie said:

" not really Iron man has the reaction time to avoid energy blast in DBZ the more powerful sometimes means slower and its not like Goku and go around fire energy blast because if he does he will tire himself out quickly DBZ stamina is very low so is their durability if him connects with anything I think Goku will go down. "

It is not like Gokus strength is low, this Goku can probably lift over 100 T. 
and their strong blasts are not always slow 
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v18/c004/10.html
About his stamina, this goku was able to fly for 2 days without resting at speed mach 17
#23 Posted by The Rookie (3126 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mortein said:
"@The Rookie said:

" not really Iron man has the reaction time to avoid energy blast in DBZ the more powerful sometimes means slower and its not like Goku and go around fire energy blast because if he does he will tire himself out quickly DBZ stamina is very low so is their durability if him connects with anything I think Goku will go down. "

It is not like Gokus strength is low, this Goku can probably lift over 100 T.  and their strong blasts are not always slow  http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v18/c004/10.html About his stamina, this goku was able to fly for 2 days without resting at speed mach 17 "

that Goku cant lift 100 tons because a later Goku with better training couldn't lift 40. I don't think he needed a senzu bean once he reach korins tower ten he used the flying nimbus to get to the battleground where nappa was,
#24 Posted by Matezoide2 (15994 posts) - - Show Bio

wow a DBZ vs randon characther where the debaters arent insulting each other?
awesome,keep up guys

#25 Posted by The Rookie (3126 posts) - - Show Bio
@Matezoide said:
"wow a DBZ vs randon characther where the debaters arent insulting each other? awesome,keep up guys "


poo head!  
 
>_<  
 
:]
#26 Posted by Matezoide2 (15994 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Rookie said:
" @Matezoide said:
"wow a DBZ vs randon characther where the debaters arent insulting each other? awesome,keep up guys "
poo head!   >_<   :] "
donkey face
 >:(
 
:D
#27 Edited by Mortein (2885 posts) - - Show Bio
@Matezoide said:

" wow a DBZ vs randon characther where the debaters arent insulting each other? awesome,keep up guys "

shout up assh @The Rookie said:

" @Mortein said:

"@The Rookie said:

" not really Iron man has the reaction time to avoid energy blast in DBZ the more powerful sometimes means slower and its not like Goku and go around fire energy blast because if he does he will tire himself out quickly DBZ stamina is very low so is their durability if him connects with anything I think Goku will go down. "

It is not like Gokus strength is low, this Goku can probably lift over 100 T.  and their strong blasts are not always slow  http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v18/c004/10.html About his stamina, this goku was able to fly for 2 days without resting at speed mach 17 "
that Goku cant lift 100 tons because a later Goku with better training couldn't lift 40. I don't think he needed a senzu bean once he reach korins tower ten he used the flying nimbus to get to the battleground where nappa was, "

He was powered down when he couldn't lift 40 T, probably around PL 5000. they are almost always powered down, unless they are fighting, probably to avoid this sort of thing from happening : 
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v28/c336/12.html    
Anyways, once he powered up he said it was two easy.  
About his strength:
Since he didn't lift anything will have to use ABC logic to determine his strength, and once you do that you will see that at power level 5000 their strength is around 30-60 T. And KK doubles your strength, and Goku was able to preform KKx4 
 http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v19/c011/3.html 
 http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v20/c231/2.html  
 
ABC logic
  http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/db-and-dbz-one-huge-post/416190/#35
 
Yes he used nimbus to get to vegeta whats wrong with that, I dont know haw fast nimbus is, it could be faster than this goku.
#28 Posted by Matezoide2 (15994 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mortein said:
" @Matezoide said:

" wow a DBZ vs randon characther where the debaters arent insulting each other? awesome,keep up guys "

shout up assh
lol,i was just happy to see both debaters being mature,unlike most DBZ fights
 ho and it is "shut" not "shout"
#29 Posted by Kael (63 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku...

#30 Posted by mv (1876 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron dude

#31 Edited by Mortein (2885 posts) - - Show Bio
@Matezoide said:

" @Mortein said:

" @Matezoide said:

" wow a DBZ vs randon characther where the debaters arent insulting each other? awesome,keep up guys "

shout up assh
lol,i was just happy to see both debaters being mature,unlike most DBZ fights  ho and it is "shut" not "shout" "
lol I don't know how that got there haha
no hard feelings ?
#32 Posted by Matezoide2 (15994 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mortein said:
" @Matezoide said:

" @Mortein said:

" @Matezoide said:

" wow a DBZ vs randon characther where the debaters arent insulting each other? awesome,keep up guys "

shout up assh
lol,i was just happy to see both debaters being mature,unlike most DBZ fights  ho and it is "shut" not "shout" "
lol I don't know how that got there haha no hard feelings ? "
nah,dont worry about that XD
#33 Posted by The Rookie (3126 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mortein said:
" @Matezoide said:

" wow a DBZ vs randon characther where the debaters arent insulting each other? awesome,keep up guys "

shout up assh@The Rookie said:

" @Mortein said:

"@The Rookie said:

" not really Iron man has the reaction time to avoid energy blast in DBZ the more powerful sometimes means slower and its not like Goku and go around fire energy blast because if he does he will tire himself out quickly DBZ stamina is very low so is their durability if him connects with anything I think Goku will go down. "

It is not like Gokus strength is low, this Goku can probably lift over 100 T.  and their strong blasts are not always slow  http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v18/c004/10.html About his stamina, this goku was able to fly for 2 days without resting at speed mach 17 "
that Goku cant lift 100 tons because a later Goku with better training couldn't lift 40. I don't think he needed a senzu bean once he reach korins tower ten he used the flying nimbus to get to the battleground where nappa was, "

He was powered down when he couldn't lift 40 T, probably around PL 5000. they are almost always powered down, unless they are fighting, probably to avoid this sort of thing from happening : 
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v28/c336/12.html    
Anyways, once he powered up he said it was two easy.  
About his strength:
Since he didn't lift anything will have to use ABC logic to determine his strength, and once you do that you will see that at power level 5000 their strength is around 30-60 T. And KK doubles your strength, and Goku was able to preform KKx4 
 http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v19/c011/3.html 
 http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v20/c231/2.html  
 
ABC logic
  http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/db-and-dbz-one-huge-post/416190/#35 "

Goku is naturally stronger then Chi-Chi him slaping her away like that doesn't mean he is powered up.

Goku was training why would he be not be powered up if he was trying to get stronger and he had to go SS to hold 40 tons this Goku we are using can't go super sayian nor did he have advanced training. How do you figure Gokus Strength is around 30 -60 tons when he couldn't hold up his own body on king kais planet which is 10x th earths normal gravity, lets say Goku is about 175 pounds thats 1,750 pounds on King kais planet which isn't even a ton yet but wait lets add Kaio Ken x2 that would 3,500 pounds x4 would be 7000 right is that how  the Kaio Ken Multiplies that would only allow Goku to lift right under 3 tons.  also we can rule Kiao ken times 3 and  4 out since he can't use it for very long or his body will brake. the Kai ken attack in general would be a bad idea for Goku in this battle.

#34 Posted by puiwaihin (192 posts) - - Show Bio

This is a pretty good match.  But which version of Iron Man was never mentioned.  Most of Tony Stark's armors are not Class 100+, they're Class 90-100.  But still, at this point he couldn't take a Class 90 punch and keep coming like he can later.
 
At this point in the series, I'm not sure Goku's full blast would overload Iron Man's armor, many of Tony's Armors would probably negate Goku's energy projection attacks.  Additionally, for Goku to achieve a hit as strong as a Class 100 equivalent he'd have to use the kaoken technique at maximum, which would take a great toll on his body.  He'd tire out quickly.
 
I'd say Goku's only chance at this point in time would be superior technique and skill, he'd have to wear down the suit's integrity until it malfunctioned.  And since Goku would NOT have instant transmission, Iron Man would be able to win if he could send Goku into the vacuum of space.
 
I give the edge to Iron Man here, 3-1 odds.  Unless Goku has Senzu beans.  Then he might by coming back stronger.

#35 Posted by Mortein (2885 posts) - - Show Bio

I ve just wrote a huge post, and my Mozilla crashed down.

#36 Posted by kagetaicho (1992 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku.

#37 Posted by The Rookie (3126 posts) - - Show Bio
@kagetaicho said:
" Goku. "

how I don't see how Goku will win this everything is stacked against him, he is limited to Kaio Ken times 1 or 2 for a little while he can't use 3 or 4 because he body will fall about he can't fire constant energy blast because tire himself out and he really isn't strong enough strength wise to punch Iron man.

#38 Posted by Klandicar (2471 posts) - - Show Bio

 Combat speed:  Goku's base battle speed and especially the Kaoken is too fast for Iron Man to keep up with.  Iron Man's battle speed is nowhere near of what even the Dragonball characters have shown (entire combat sequences invisible to the human eye) and Vegeta is far beyond them yet he couldn't even land a hit on Goku at Kaoken 3.  Only argument I've seen is Iron Man is stronger but I'd dispute that, Vegeta rips a mountain apart like nothing yet Goku could best him in combat with his own speed/power. 
   

 
 
 

 
 
Energy projection:  Even this earlier version of Goku would vaporize Iron Man with his blasts.  This level of energy projection is out of Iron Man's league.   It is beyond planet busting at this point.
 
   
 
Oh and even more...Goku would be stronger after these feats since this is after the Vegeta fight.  Sorry Iron Man fans, maybe he should be put against kid Goku in the Dragonball series.  ;)
#39 Edited by Mortein (2885 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Rookie said:

" @kagetaicho said:

" Goku. "

how I don't see how Goku will win this everything is stacked against him, he is limited to Kaio Ken times 1 or 2 for a little while he can't use 3 or 4 because he body will fall about he can't fire constant energy blast because tire himself out and he really isn't strong enough strength wise to punch Iron man.

"
He is much faster than Iron man even without KK. And when you are chi user, the strength of your punch is not so much related to your lifting strength, but the skill to channel your chi energy into your fist. Didn't Mandarin cracked ironmans armor? and what is the heaviest thing mandarin 
lifted? ..goku is over 100 T
#40 Posted by The Rookie (3126 posts) - - Show Bio
@Klandicar said:
"  Combat speed:  Goku's base battle speed and especially the Kaoken is too fast for Iron Man to keep up with.  Iron Man's battle speed is nowhere near of what even the Dragonball characters have shown (entire combat sequences invisible to the human eye) and Vegeta is far beyond them yet he couldn't even land a hit on Goku at Kaoken 3.  Only argument I've seen is Iron Man is stronger but I'd dispute that, Vegeta rips a mountain apart like nothing yet Goku could best him in combat with his own speed/power. 
   
 
 
 

 
 
Energy projection:  Even this earlier version of Goku would vaporize Iron Man with his blasts.  This level of energy projection is out of Iron Man's league.   It is beyond planet busting at this point.
 
   
  Oh and even more...Goku would be stronger after these feats since this is after the Vegeta fight.  Sorry Iron Man fans, maybe he should be put against kid Goku in the Dragonball series.  ;) "
Goku could not match Vegeta with his own power he was weaker then Vegeta until he did Kaio Ken x3  and he can only use it for a short period of time using Kaio ken times for is suicide for Goku since it will break his body down. Saying Goku can use planet busting attacks is good and all but will he hit Iron Man with it probably not will Goku be able to fire another so call planet busting attack after that no as show in that fight he was only able to pull out one full power kamahamha wave with Kaio ken up and his fight was over Gohan had to come back and finish the fight for him. Ironman is more than a match for this Goku.
#41 Posted by kagetaicho (1992 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Rookie said:
" @kagetaicho said:
" Goku. "

how I don't see how Goku will win this everything is stacked against him, he is limited to Kaio Ken times 1 or 2 for a little while he can't use 3 or 4 because he body will fall about he can't fire constant energy blast because tire himself out and he really isn't strong enough strength wise to punch Iron man.

"
Yeah he is. Ironman is classed as no more than a 100 tonner but i'll give him a little room since i believe he can lift more than that. But Goku is superior is speed,reaction time,energy blasts, and in kaioken he is stronger than ironman. also he can go kaioken x3 and x4 here. He could fight Ironman who is stronger than him in base form because vegeta's base level was around Goku's kaioken x3.
#42 Posted by The Rookie (3126 posts) - - Show Bio
@kagetaicho said:
" @The Rookie said:
" @kagetaicho said:
" Goku. "

how I don't see how Goku will win this everything is stacked against him, he is limited to Kaio Ken times 1 or 2 for a little while he can't use 3 or 4 because he body will fall about he can't fire constant energy blast because tire himself out and he really isn't strong enough strength wise to punch Iron man.

"
Yeah he is. Ironman is classed as no more than a 100 tonner but i'll give him a little room since i believe he can lift more than that. But Goku is superior is speed,reaction time,energy blasts, and in kaioken he is stronger than ironman. also he can go kaioken x3 and x4 here. He could fight Ironman who is stronger than him in base form because vegeta's base level was around Goku's kaioken x3. "

Goku could not match Vegeta with his own power he was weaker then Vegeta until he did Kaio Ken x3  and he can only use it for a short period of time using Kaio ken times for is suicide for Goku since it will break his body down. Saying Goku can use planet busting attacks is good and all but will he hit Iron Man with it probably not will Goku be able to fire another so call planet busting attack after that no as show in that fight he was only able to pull out one full power kamahamha wave with Kaio ken up and his fight was over Gohan had to come back and finish the fight for him. Ironman is more than a match for this Goku. "
#43 Posted by kagetaicho (1992 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Rookie said:

" @Klandicar said:

"  Combat speed:  Goku's base battle speed and especially the Kaoken is too fast for Iron Man to keep up with.  Iron Man's battle speed is nowhere near of what even the Dragonball characters have shown (entire combat sequences invisible to the human eye) and Vegeta is far beyond them yet he couldn't even land a hit on Goku at Kaoken 3.  Only argument I've seen is Iron Man is stronger but I'd dispute that, Vegeta rips a mountain apart like nothing yet Goku could best him in combat with his own speed/power. 
   

 
 
 

 
 
Energy projection:  Even this earlier version of Goku would vaporize Iron Man with his blasts.  This level of energy projection is out of Iron Man's league.   It is beyond planet busting at this point.
 
   
  Oh and even more...Goku would be stronger after these feats since this is after the Vegeta fight.  Sorry Iron Man fans, maybe he should be put against kid Goku in the Dragonball series.  ;) "
Goku could not match Vegeta with his own power he was weaker then Vegeta until he did Kaio Ken x3  and he can only use it for a short period of time using Kaio ken times for is suicide for Goku since it will break his body down. Saying Goku can use planet busting attacks is good and all but will he hit Iron Man with it probably not will Goku be able to fire another so call planet busting attack after that no as show in that fight he was only able to pull out one full power kamahamha wave with Kaio ken up and his fight was over Gohan had to come back and finish the fight for him. Ironman is more than a match for this Goku. "
He could hit Ironman if he could hit a much faster Vegeta.
#44 Edited by Klandicar (2471 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Rookie said:

" @kagetaicho said:

" Goku. "

how I don't see how Goku will win this everything is stacked against him, he is limited to Kaio Ken times 1 or 2 for a little while he can't use 3 or 4 because he body will fall about he can't fire constant energy blast because tire himself out and he really isn't strong enough strength wise to punch Iron man.

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Goku's Endurance + Durability:  He used Kaoken against Nappa, then the Kaoken one and two against Vegeta to start.  Then he used Kaoken three to beat up Vegeta hand to hand, then used it again to stop the planet buster, then he used Kaoken times four to overpower the planet buster and send it back.  That is enough Kaoken to defeat Iron Man with ease.  Then he fought the Giant Ape Vegeta and did quite well against it, he tanked punches/kicks/nuclear level blasts from a Godzilla sized Vegeta. 
 
 
#45 Posted by The Rookie (3126 posts) - - Show Bio
@kagetaicho said:
" @The Rookie said:

" @Klandicar said:

"  Combat speed:  Goku's base battle speed and especially the Kaoken is too fast for Iron Man to keep up with.  Iron Man's battle speed is nowhere near of what even the Dragonball characters have shown (entire combat sequences invisible to the human eye) and Vegeta is far beyond them yet he couldn't even land a hit on Goku at Kaoken 3.  Only argument I've seen is Iron Man is stronger but I'd dispute that, Vegeta rips a mountain apart like nothing yet Goku could best him in combat with his own speed/power. 
   

 
 
 

 
 
Energy projection:  Even this earlier version of Goku would vaporize Iron Man with his blasts.  This level of energy projection is out of Iron Man's league.   It is beyond planet busting at this point.
 
   
  Oh and even more...Goku would be stronger after these feats since this is after the Vegeta fight.  Sorry Iron Man fans, maybe he should be put against kid Goku in the Dragonball series.  ;) "
Goku could not match Vegeta with his own power he was weaker then Vegeta until he did Kaio Ken x3  and he can only use it for a short period of time using Kaio ken times for is suicide for Goku since it will break his body down. Saying Goku can use planet busting attacks is good and all but will he hit Iron Man with it probably not will Goku be able to fire another so call planet busting attack after that no as show in that fight he was only able to pull out one full power kamahamha wave with Kaio ken up and his fight was over Gohan had to come back and finish the fight for him. Ironman is more than a match for this Goku. "
He could hit Ironman if he could hit a much faster Vegeta. "

the only damage I see Goku doing to Ironman is a full powered Kamahamaha while using Kaio Ken times 3 or 4 and even then Ironman can easily evade the attack since DBZ energy attack aren't hard to dodge punching Ironman will do Goku no good since his strength level is far below what Iron has face in the past.
#46 Posted by kagetaicho (1992 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Rookie said:
" @kagetaicho said:
" @The Rookie said:
" @kagetaicho said:
" Goku. "

how I don't see how Goku will win this everything is stacked against him, he is limited to Kaio Ken times 1 or 2 for a little while he can't use 3 or 4 because he body will fall about he can't fire constant energy blast because tire himself out and he really isn't strong enough strength wise to punch Iron man.

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Yeah he is. Ironman is classed as no more than a 100 tonner but i'll give him a little room since i believe he can lift more than that. But Goku is superior is speed,reaction time,energy blasts, and in kaioken he is stronger than ironman. also he can go kaioken x3 and x4 here. He could fight Ironman who is stronger than him in base form because vegeta's base level was around Goku's kaioken x3. "

Goku could not match Vegeta with his own power he was weaker then Vegeta until he did Kaio Ken x3  and he can only use it for a short period of time using Kaio ken times for is suicide for Goku since it will break his body down. Saying Goku can use planet busting attacks is good and all but will he hit Iron Man with it probably not will Goku be able to fire another so call planet busting attack after that no as show in that fight he was only able to pull out one full power kamahamha wave with Kaio ken up and his fight was over Gohan had to come back and finish the fight for him. Ironman is more than a match for this Goku. "
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You keep over looking Goku's advantages. Ironman has been hurt by Captain america who isn't even a 1 tonner. Surely Goku could do the same. Plus his superior speed,energy projection and reaction time. Ironman's 1 advantage is his strength and thats only when Goku isn't in kaioken x3 or 4
#47 Posted by puiwaihin (192 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think Goku's energy attack would win here.  This is before he trains at even 20x gravity.  Iron Man can have armor like the energy absorbing androids.
 
I agree that Goku's combat speed is superior, but Goku's strength in this battle is quite limited.  Remember, he had difficulty standing at 100x gravity.  He's struggling with 20 tons of weight.  So, even after healing with a Senzu bean, he'll still be overmatched in the strength department pre-Namek.  Had this been at the time he fought the Ginyu Force I'd agree that he should beat Iron Man, but in a very close fight.  In this scenario, though, Goku would need luck to win.

#48 Posted by kagetaicho (1992 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Rookie said:

" @kagetaicho said:

" @The Rookie said:

" @Klandicar said:

"  Combat speed:  Goku's base battle speed and especially the Kaoken is too fast for Iron Man to keep up with.  Iron Man's battle speed is nowhere near of what even the Dragonball characters have shown (entire combat sequences invisible to the human eye) and Vegeta is far beyond them yet he couldn't even land a hit on Goku at Kaoken 3.  Only argument I've seen is Iron Man is stronger but I'd dispute that, Vegeta rips a mountain apart like nothing yet Goku could best him in combat with his own speed/power. 
   

 
 
 

 
 
Energy projection:  Even this earlier version of Goku would vaporize Iron Man with his blasts.  This level of energy projection is out of Iron Man's league.   It is beyond planet busting at this point.
 
   
  Oh and even more...Goku would be stronger after these feats since this is after the Vegeta fight.  Sorry Iron Man fans, maybe he should be put against kid Goku in the Dragonball series.  ;) "
Goku could not match Vegeta with his own power he was weaker then Vegeta until he did Kaio Ken x3  and he can only use it for a short period of time using Kaio ken times for is suicide for Goku since it will break his body down. Saying Goku can use planet busting attacks is good and all but will he hit Iron Man with it probably not will Goku be able to fire another so call planet busting attack after that no as show in that fight he was only able to pull out one full power kamahamha wave with Kaio ken up and his fight was over Gohan had to come back and finish the fight for him. Ironman is more than a match for this Goku. "
He could hit Ironman if he could hit a much faster Vegeta. "
the only damage I see Goku doing to Ironman is a full powered Kamahamaha while using Kaio Ken times 3 or 4 and even then Ironman can easily evade the attack since DBZ energy attack aren't hard to dodge punching Ironman will do Goku no good since his strength level is far below what Iron has face in the past. "
It doesn't have to be a planet buster level blast to take out Ironman. A moon buster or city buster blast would do. Goku wouldn't really need to go higher than Kaioken 1 for such feats.
#49 Posted by kagetaicho (1992 posts) - - Show Bio
@puiwaihin said:
" I don't think Goku's energy attack would win here.  This is before he trains at even 20x gravity.  Iron Man can have armor like the energy absorbing androids.  I agree that Goku's combat speed is superior, but Goku's strength in this battle is quite limited.  Remember, he had difficulty standing at 100x gravity.  He's struggling with 20 tons of weight.  So, even after healing with a Senzu bean, he'll still be overmatched in the strength department pre-Namek.  Had this been at the time he fought the Ginyu Force I'd agree that he should beat Iron Man, but in a very close fight.  In this scenario, though, Goku would need luck to win. "
Ironman has been hurt by the likes of Captain America and others weaker than him. He could be hurt by goku's melee. Also i think you're forgetting kaiken. x2 increases his strength x2. x3 = x3. x4 =x4.
#50 Posted by ultimatewarrior123 (1374 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku would destroy Iron Man