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#1 Posted by Noone301994 (3630 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm new to this and I know that Iron Man and Doctor Doom has been done before. I also know that people tend to lean more towards Doctor Doom due to his magic, however, I noticed that no one ever made the Iron Man with bleeding edge armor argument against Doctor Doom and I am curious to hear it. What do you think?

vs.

#2 Edited by Erick_Williams (754 posts) - - Show Bio

mmmm not a stomp but i lean more toward dr. doom

#3 Edited by Noone301994 (3630 posts) - - Show Bio

@erick_williams:

I think Iron Man would take it, they have fought in the past and it was never anywhere near a stomp for Doom and that was in weaker armor, imagine now, in the bleeding edge, arguably one of his best and most advanced armor

#4 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

Doom 7/10

'magic'

#5 Posted by Noone301994 (3630 posts) - - Show Bio
#6 Edited by The_Lunact_And_Manic (3286 posts) - - Show Bio

Tony.

Dr. Doom is overrated.

#7 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio
#8 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (3428 posts) - - Show Bio

Doctor Doom. Victor is more intelligent, has a more durable and powerful tech/armor, is a better fighter and whos magic though not as powerful as Strange, would at least give him a run for his money. Victor bests Tony in every area including ego. Since the battle forums have no PIS/CIS factor (though FIS is an issue) it's a clear cut win for Doom. Iron mans cool and bleeding edge is probably his best armor, but even then it's not enough.

Doctor Doom 7-8/10

#9 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (6862 posts) - - Show Bio

Tech wise. They are about equal, though Tony's armor is probably more advanced. However, it always comes down to magic. Doom wins because he will just cast some magic. Like, I dunno, a crimson bands of Cyttorak?

#10 Edited by Noone301994 (3630 posts) - - Show Bio

This armor in undoubtedly much more advanced than Doom's armor, it grows out of his skin and repairs itself for crying out loud. He has the firepower, which is greatly because his arc reactor's power levels are greatly enhanced (energy blade, repulsors, uni beam, etc.), and strength to take Doom down IMO. I don't think magic would be enough to take down Iron Man in this armor, it is virtually unbeatable because it repairs itself with a near limitless energy source that enhances almost every weapon and defense in the armor and as long as that energy source (arc reactor) isn't compromised (even if it is it can be restored within seconds like that time when he fought the alternate version of the scarlet witch), there isn't a way to stop Tony from fighting.

#11 Posted by Pwok21 (2235 posts) - - Show Bio

Doom's shields are pretty OP, to the point where Tony's firepower won't really matter.

Also Magic.

#12 Edited by Noone301994 (3630 posts) - - Show Bio

@pwok21: Well with his new arc reactor it enhances his offensive and defensive capabilities so we don't really know how his attacks would fair against doctor doom's shields and how doctor doom's attacks would fair against iron man's shields. I personally think that he would win simply because everytime they fought it hasn't been a curbstomp, meaning iron man has put up enough of a fight in his previous, weaker armors, so in his most advanced and powerful he could take it, and yes, Doom has bested iron man, but if he were in those same positions with a stronger and more advanced suit, i think that upgrade in power would have tipped the scales just enough to evade his attacks and beat him.

#13 Posted by spiderbuck (2418 posts) - - Show Bio

Doom.

#14 Posted by Noone301994 (3630 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarklordpandamonium: Oh really? Magic spells? Wow... Never would have guessed... Obviously I was asking what specific spells would he use? This whole, "magic trumps technology" thing doesn't really apply because this technology is crazy advanced. His armor physically can't be destroyed without it repairing itself. He doesn't have enough firepower to hit it so hard that it wouldn't or couldn't recover.

#15 Edited by OmgOmgWtfWtf (6862 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarklordpandamonium: Oh really? Magic spells? Wow... Never would have guessed... Obviously I was asking what specific spells would he use? This whole, "magic trumps technology" thing doesn't really apply because this technology is crazy advanced. His armor physically can't be destroyed without it repairing itself. He doesn't have enough firepower to hit it so hard that it wouldn't or couldn't recover.

What's the point of making this thread if you already had a winner in mind? I really don't see the point.

Just because Tony got new toys doesn't mean he can trump Doom. Doom beaten him before by corrupting his systems with magic, something Tony always had trouble with. Also, if we go by feats, Doom's armor is superior to Tony's given all the random gizmos he has used in the past.

#16 Posted by RunawayAvenger (412 posts) - - Show Bio

Doom's magic would be able to take care of Iron man's bleeding edge armour in my opinion. It is advanced but not advanced enough to win in my opinion. I'm not saying that Magic always beats technology because it doesn't but in this scenario it does. Doom also has the tech but I don't think thats what will win the battle in his case.

#17 Posted by Noone301994 (3630 posts) - - Show Bio

@omgomgwtfwtf: Because Doom is overrated. So far no one has given me a reason as to why Doom beats Iron Man in his bleeding edge armor except magic... By that logic he could beat almost anyone. He couldn't use magic to corrupt his systems like in the past because it's not the same systems. The armor is controlled by his mind now. It activates on command (grows out of his skin). His brain is his system network in this armor; they are connected. That's how advanced it is. I just simply don't see Doom shrugging it off like it's nothing just because he has magic. Sure I am biased but can you blame me for thinking Iron Man would win? No one has said anything but, "Doom beat him before with magic" okay? That doesn't tell me much considering he has new, advanced, and stronger technology, what specifically could he do to beat the armor NOW?

#18 Posted by Perezite (1432 posts) - - Show Bio

Doctor Doom. Victor is more intelligent, has a more durable and powerful tech/armor, is a better fighter and whos magic though not as powerful as Strange, would at least give him a run for his money. Victor bests Tony in every area including ego. Since the battle forums have no PIS/CIS factor (though FIS is an issue) it's a clear cut win for Doom. Iron mans cool and bleeding edge is probably his best armor, but even then it's not enough.

Doctor Doom 7-8/10

What's FIS?

#19 Posted by Perezite (1432 posts) - - Show Bio

This whole, "magic trumps technology" thing doesn't really apply because this technology is crazy advanced.

So, just because something is "advanced", means magic can't affect it? Also, magic beats tech. ESPECIALLY the powerful kind Doom has access to. That's a law in the Marvel and DC Universes. Deal with it.

#20 Posted by Sovereign91001 (3959 posts) - - Show Bio

Bleeding Edge is able to incorperate Magic into it's systems ala Fear itself so the magic isn't an autowin by Doom. Tony Wins this one.

#21 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (6862 posts) - - Show Bio

@omgomgwtfwtf: Because Doom is overrated. So far no one has given me a reason as to why Doom beats Iron Man in his bleeding edge armor except magic... By that logic he could beat almost anyone. He couldn't use magic to corrupt his systems like in the past because it's not the same systems. The armor is controlled by his mind now. It activates on command (grows out of his skin). His brain is his system network in this armor; they are connected. That's how advanced it is. I just simply don't see Doom shrugging it off like it's nothing just because he has magic. Sure I am biased but can you blame me for thinking Iron Man would win? No one has said anything but, "Doom beat him before with magic" okay? That doesn't tell me much considering he has new, advanced, and stronger technology, what specifically could he do to beat the armor NOW?

Doom has defeated Extremis Iron Man which is basically the same thing. So the whole point about it being interfaced to his brain and what not is really irrelevant, given that Extremis did the same thing. Your overly wanking Iron Man's Bleeding Edge armor, which isn't even his most current armor, he dumped it for the smart metal one. Yes, it can do a myriad of things, but still can't counter magic. One Crimson Band of Cytorrak would accomplish the same thing as it did when they previously fought, which is corrupt his systems and disarm him. Tony Stark already admitted that he couldn't handle Doom by himself, hence why he had to bring Sentry.

Not to mention, I can start listing all the random gizmos in Doom's armor which trump anything that Stark has...Doom has a molecular rearranger that is on par with Silver Surfer's matter manipulation. He has shrinking ray built in to his gauntlet, so he could basically shrink Tony into the microverse and be done with him. Doom also has a working time machine built into his suit, which alone is far superior to Iron Man's bleeding edge armor. He was able to construct a time cube with it to restore Latveria after it was destroyed in mere moments. I mean seriously, Stark is just outclassed in a random encounter. Also, Doom has a built in energy draining device which he has used on numerous occasions (i.e. Cosmic Hulk, Silver Surfer (twice), Nightmare) and that is all without prep.

Doom wins, despite what you believe.

#22 Edited by Supermanwithatan01 (3428 posts) - - Show Bio
#23 Edited by Perezite (1432 posts) - - Show Bio
#24 Posted by HyperViper97 (1342 posts) - - Show Bio

Honest answer, doom and tony stalemate till doom gets bored and time travels and kills him as a child

#25 Posted by Pwok21 (2235 posts) - - Show Bio

@noone301994:

Doom's shields have PROVEN to be able to take way more than Iron Man could ever hope to dish out.
Also, purely because he jumped into Odin's cauldron which enhanced weapons magically doesn't mean that he is now on a level with Doom magic wise.

Iron Man was in awe of Doom's genius, for example using purely their two armours Doom creating a goddamn time machine; something Tony could never have done. So Doom has magic, badass shields, better understanding of (and therefore most probably superior) tech and is way more cunning than Tony.

Read a few Doom respect threads and you'll see why this is a stomp.

My personal favourite Doom respect thread

#26 Posted by Noone301994 (3630 posts) - - Show Bio

Finally some actual answers that specify why he beats him. Alright you have me convinced that he would win but to finish it off do you guys think that without magic he wouldn't win? I only ask because someone made a good point about bleeding edge armor being able to incorporate magic into his suit:

(Sovereign91001 said, "Bleeding Edge is able to incorperate Magic into it's systems ala Fear itself so the magic isn't an autowin by Doom.")

Thoughts?

#27 Posted by New_World_Order (12354 posts) - - Show Bio

Doom should take him. He has always done good against Iron Man. To be honest nowadays's he's out of Stark's league.

#28 Posted by Noone301994 (3630 posts) - - Show Bio

@thundergodswrath: Yeah I am starting to see that now. Honestly I only posted this because I have gone through all of the Iron Man vs. Doctor Doom arguments and when the general consensus is that Doom takes it I noticed that no one has ever argued for Iron Man's bleeding edge armor.

#29 Edited by JamesKM716 (1992 posts) - - Show Bio
#30 Posted by New_World_Order (12354 posts) - - Show Bio

@thundergodswrath: Yeah I am starting to see that now. Honestly I only posted this because I have gone through all of the Iron Man vs. Doctor Doom arguments and when the general consensus is that Doom takes it I noticed that no one has ever argued for Iron Man's bleeding edge armor.

I see.

#31 Posted by Noone301994 (3630 posts) - - Show Bio
#32 Posted by New_World_Order (12354 posts) - - Show Bio
#33 Edited by Azathoth_The_Dread_Sleeper (597 posts) - - Show Bio

@noone301994: So because it's vaguely "advanced", it automatically CAN'T be corrupted? What a horrible way to reason.

The Extremis armor is NOT resistant to magic and was never SHOWN to be. IM's firepower means nothing since Doom's armor and force field could easily shrug it off. Doom is more versatile, and IM has NO answer for Doom's anti-molecular force blast which would utterly DEMOLISH him.

P.S. Doom has already stalemated Extremis Armored Tony, using his standard gear, in the comics, until he started using magic and Tony was caught off guard. Extremis WAS affected then.

#34 Posted by Noone301994 (3630 posts) - - Show Bio

@azathoth_the_dread_sleeper: This is bleeding edge armor. I know he can and has beaten Tony in the Extremis armor. Is there a possibility of Bleeding edge having a small resistance to magic? Maybe. Because he dealt with it in Fear Itself. I think Doom would probably come out on top but everyone makes it seem like it would be an extreme curbstomp...

#35 Edited by SirNickTheEpic (584 posts) - - Show Bio

stark, he has a suit for every super and mutant in existence and out of existence, iron man wins here and in many other fight, if given prep but with out he still wins here ;)

#36 Edited by Noone301994 (3630 posts) - - Show Bio

@sirnicktheepic: that's the spirit! lol

I think we all know that Doom would get his ass kicked in a random encounter without magic

#37 Edited by Azathoth_The_Dread_Sleeper (597 posts) - - Show Bio

@noone301994: Without magic? L.O.L.

Doom's anti-molecular disintegrator = Bye bye, Tony Stark

Doom's hypnotic impulsor = Tony becomes a drooling mind slave

Doom's personal adapter = Tony's armor gets drained quicker than a couple of rabbits can mate.

Plot and CIS are the only things that keeps Doom from outright killing Tony in canon.

Adding magick in his arsenal is overkill.

#38 Edited by Azathoth_The_Dread_Sleeper (597 posts) - - Show Bio

@sirnicktheepic: "he has a suit for every super and mutant in existence and out of existence"

Doom is prepared for every super-powered being in existence as well, except he is even more so.

Without prep, Doom could obliterate Tony with a single anti-molecular beam.

In a prep battle, Doom would shit-stomp Tony to oblivion.

#39 Edited by Flash_Batarang22 (70 posts) - - Show Bio

Tony uses his

TOAA buster armor and pawn Doom negative diff along with the DC universe

TONY wins!!!!

STARK FTW!!!

#40 Posted by Azathoth_The_Dread_Sleeper (597 posts) - - Show Bio

Tony uses his

TOAA buster armor and pawn Doom negative diff along with the DC universe

TONY wins!!!!

STARK FTW!!!

Cool fan fiction, bro.

#41 Posted by Noone301994 (3630 posts) - - Show Bio

@azathoth_the_dread_sleeper: He carries and regularly uses all of those gadgets huh? Wow how about that. Also what makes you think Tony's tech wouldn't be able to counter the hypnotic impulsor? He can counter telepathy isn't that the same category? And how strong is that anti-molecular disintegrator?

#42 Posted by T0NY_STARK (173 posts) - - Show Bio

As much as I love iron-man and his bleeding edge doom takes it 9/10

#43 Edited by Azathoth_The_Dread_Sleeper (597 posts) - - Show Bio

@noone301994 said:

@azathoth_the_dread_sleeper: He carries and regularly uses all of those gadgets huh? Wow how about that. Also what makes you think Tony's tech wouldn't be able to counter the hypnotic impulsor? He can counter telepathy isn't that the same category? And how strong is that anti-molecular disintegrator?

Yup, he carries them. He's even stated on panel one time, when using the Hypnotism Impulsor on two people, that he hasn't used the gadget in a long time. He expressed nostolgia for gadgets he rarely used before USING THEM. Irregular use =/= Absence of a gadget. If this same logic were applied to Tony, then he doesn't have any counter against telepathy. WOW, HOW ABOUT THAT?

How strong is the anti-molecular disintegrator? A question like this literally makes no sense since an anti-molecular DISINTEGRATOR doesn't use RAW FORCE to destroy a target. Provided, it cancels electrical energy that keeps molecules that form matter together, like a portable version of the Reality Bomb. Outside of CIS and plot, Tony is BONED.

He can also convert Tony into pure energy like he did with Nightmare here. Added with the Personal Adapter, which can drain virtually any amount of energy and any KIND of energy, Doom's arsenal vastly outguns Tony's.

Doom's armor not only drains energy, but reality warping powers as well, just like he did with Franklin Richards'. That feat alone is far more impressive than anything Tony has done.

#44 Edited by Noone301994 (3630 posts) - - Show Bio

@azathoth_the_dread_sleeper: Well he has the telepathy built into the 'Bleeding Edge' suit. You know, the one stated in the OP? So it wouldn't be the same claim that I was making. Also, just because he said, "wow i haven't used this in awhile" doesn't mean 100% that he carries it around with him... That's speculation and nowhere near proof that he carries these weapons around all the time. If he did you would see him using them WAY more than he does.

Why did Doom resort to using magic here?

#45 Edited by Silverrings (1845 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm leaning towards Doom. What is the Bleeding Edge armour's most impressive feat?

#46 Edited by Azathoth_The_Dread_Sleeper (597 posts) - - Show Bio

@noone301994 said:

@azathoth_the_dread_sleeper: Well he has the telepathy built into the 'Bleeding Edge' suit. You know, the one stated in the OP? So it wouldn't be the same claim that I was making. Also, just because he said, "wow i haven't used this in awhile" doesn't mean 100% that he carries it around with him... That's speculation and nowhere near proof that he carries these weapons around all the time. If he did you would see him using them WAY more than he does.

Why did Doom resort to using magic here?

The OP doesn't say he has 'telepathy' built into the Bleeding Edge. LOL. Try again.

Iron Man rarely encounters any telepaths and shows that he's immune to their influence, so by your logic, he doesn't have any defense against telepathy. Following your laughable logic, claiming that Iron Man is immune to telepathy is also PURE speculation, and the fact that he rarely mentions it in his own words leaves a rather large burden of proof on your shoulders. Doom doesn't "CARRY" his weapons around because they're built into his suit. Poorly worded argument on your part. It's already established that his standard armor has them.

"If he did you would see him using them WAY more than he does."

^^^HILARIOUSLY broken logic.

Thanos has molecular manipulation yet he doesn't even BOTHER to turn SS or anyone else into stone like he did with Skragg. The Twilight Sword has the power to wipe out entire galaxies yet Surtur never uses it to completely obliterate Asgard. Mjolnir can create and wield the anti-force which can instantly destroy any physical enemy, yet Thor doesn't use it in most of his fights. Don't confuse Character-Induced Stupidity with inability.

"Why did Doom resort to using magic here?"

Because he wanted to scare the fuck out of Iron Man and show him who he's dealing with. Did you also forget that Doom is an egotistical prick who has a knack for blustering and showing off? Did you also forget that in the Children's Crusade comic when Doom had HOM Wanda's powers, he could have killed every hero around him with just a thought yet chose not to? If I applied the same STUPID logic you previously applied to Doom's armor, HOM Wanda doesn't have the power to wipe people out.

Face it. One blast of his anti-molecular force beam is all Doom needs to finish this fight, ESPECIALLY when PIS or CIS isn't involved. His personal adapters can suck Bleeding Edge's energy dry in seconds. He can shrink Tony and send him into the microverse. He can convert Tony into energy and eat him into his armor like candy. Doom has multiple options to utterly destroy him.

A bloodlusted Doom who isn't arrogant and never underestimates his opponents = One dead Iron Man.

Canon supports my statements. The only thing you've got on your plate is PURE speculation with a side order of hilariously flawed logic.

#47 Posted by Noone301994 (3630 posts) - - Show Bio

@noone301994 said:

@azathoth_the_dread_sleeper: Well he has the telepathy built into the 'Bleeding Edge' suit. You know, the one stated in the OP? So it wouldn't be the same claim that I was making. Also, just because he said, "wow i haven't used this in awhile" doesn't mean 100% that he carries it around with him... That's speculation and nowhere near proof that he carries these weapons around all the time. If he did you would see him using them WAY more than he does.

Why did Doom resort to using magic here?

The OP doesn't say he has 'telepathy' built into the Bleeding Edge. LOL. Try again.

Iron Man rarely encounters any telepaths and shows that he's immune to their influence, so by your logic, he doesn't have any defense against telepathy. Following your laughable logic, claiming that Iron Man is immune to telepathy is also PURE speculation, and the fact that he rarely mentions it in his own words leaves a rather large burden of proof on your shoulders. Doom doesn't "CARRY" his weapons around because they're built into his suit. Poorly worded argument on your part. It's already established that his standard armor has them.

The OP says he is in Bleeding Edge and Bleeding edge has resistance to telepathy. I can post scans if you want.

"If he did you would see him using them WAY more than he does."

^^^HILARIOUSLY broken logic.

Thanos has molecular manipulation yet he doesn't even BOTHER to turn SS or anyone else into stone like he did with Skragg. The Twilight Sword has the power to wipe out entire galaxies yet Surtur never uses it to completely obliterate Asgard. Mjolnir can create and wield the anti-force which can instantly destroy any physical enemy, yet Thor doesn't use it in most of his fights. Don't confuse Character-Induced Stupidity with inability.

Yeah that's true but can you prove that he always carries those weapons around? That thing you said before about Doom saying, "I haven't used this in awhile" and having a nostalgic feeling isn't really evidence that he carries them around all the time.

"Why did Doom resort to using magic here?"

Because he wanted to scare the fuck out of Iron Man and show him who he's dealing with. Did you also forget that Doom is an egotistical prick who has a knack for blustering and showing off? Did you also forget that in the Children's Crusade comic when Doom had HOM Wanda's powers, he could have killed every hero around him with just a thought yet chose not to? If I applied the same STUPID logic you previously applied to Doom's armor, HOM Wanda doesn't have the power to wipe people out.

Yeah but what if he hadn't used magic in that situation? He was being stalemated. I'm pretty sure that eventually Iron Man would have overpowered him or Doom would have really struggled. THAT'S why I think he used magic. But it's speculation. Kind of like the whole, "he was just trying to scare him" bit.

Face it. One blast of his anti-molecular force beam is all Doom needs to finish this fight, ESPECIALLY when PIS or CIS isn't involved. His personal adapters can suck Bleeding Edge's energy dry in seconds. He can shrink Tony and send him into the microverse. He can convert Tony into energy and eat him into his armor like candy. Doom has multiple options to utterly destroy him.

Probably, but Iron Man has shields, nano-second reaction, and can you prove that he carries that around in random situations?

A bloodlusted Doom who isn't arrogant and never underestimates his opponents = One dead Iron Man.

Canon supports my statements. The only thing you've got on your plate is PURE speculation with a side order of hilariously flawed logic.

Hilariously flawed logic? Calm down please... I know I make bad arguments and that I talk out of my ass sometimes but you don't need to be a jerk about it lol. If you got this cocky/douche vibe from me I'm sorry about that. This entire website is speculation by the way. It's mostly opinion based.

#48 Edited by Azathoth_The_Dread_Sleeper (597 posts) - - Show Bio

@noone301994:

The OP says he is in Bleeding Edge and Bleeding edge has resistance to telepathy. I can post scans if you want.

Iron Man rarely encounters any telepaths, thus rarely shows that he has resistance to telepathy, and thus doesn't have resistance against telepathy, though. That's according to your logic.

Doom's armor is rich with dangerous weapons like the anti-molecular disintegrator, hypnotic impulser, personal adapter, field nullifier, etc. and is constantly upgrading. If we appealed to your constant flip-flopping and went with the opposite of the broken logic you were using, Doom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tony (even with Bleeding Edge).

Yeah that's true but can you prove that he always carries those weapons around? That thing you said before about Doom saying, "I haven't used this in awhile" and having a nostalgic feeling isn't really evidence that he carries them around all the time.

He doesn't "CARRY" them around because they're built into his armor, which he ALWAYS wears, so of COURSE he'd ALWAYS have them. That's about as idiotic and semantically broken as saying "A GUY WEARING HIS JACKET IS CARRYING AROUND HIS ZIPPER AND BUTTONS". His anti-molecular force blaster, hypnotic impulser, personal adapter, field nullifier, etc. are PART and PARCEL with his suit. He's used them each on panel, and is shown to constantly be upgrading. The fact that he ALWAYS wears his armor is proof that he ALWAYS has them. The fact that he MENTIONS them nostalgically IS evidence that he has them. The fact that he USES it right after mentioning it is what destroys your argument completely. Tony, on the other hand, has never expressed nostalgia for his anti-telepathy gear and subsequently used them RIGHT after mentioning it like Doom did with his hypnotic impulser. LOL. Based on your logic, Doom has proof that he still has all his gears and Tony

doesn't

.

Yeah but what if he hadn't used magic in that situation? He was being stalemated. I'm pretty sure that eventually Iron Man would have overpowered him or Doom would have really struggled. THAT'S why I think he used magic. But it's speculation. Kind of like the whole, "he was just trying to scare him" bit.

Yeah, because like Odin's fight with Surtur, who was holding the Twilight Sword, Character-Induced-Stupidity took effect, which forced Doom to fight Tony conventionally rather than outright DESTROY him. You forgot to consider the fact that Marvel can't afford to lose major characters like Iron Man and has to enforce plot-induced restraining orders on powerful characters to keep them alive.

In the scan above, Doom kills a few defenseless people using magic. Because they TOTALLY would have overpowered Doom, if he hadn't. *Sarcasm*

Probably, but Iron Man has shields, nano-second reaction, and can you prove that he carries that around in random situations?

Doom has a Field Nullifier in his armor to disable Iron Man's shields. He disabled Invisible Woman's force-field powers with a simple backhand to her face, and once used it in Astonishing Tales #3 to take down an active force-field. Nano-second reaction won't protect Iron Man from getting his armor drained instantly.

Here, Doom uses his Personal Adapters to absorb energy from a machine that powered an entire city.

Here, Doom uses his Personal Adapters to absorb Franklin Richards' powers.

Doom uses his Personal Adapters to absorb the entirety of humanity's subconscious black energy.

Doom uses his Personal Adapters to depower the Cosmic Hulk.

Doom uses his Hypnotism Impulser to force the Thing into submission.

Doom uses it AGAIN here after mentioning it nostalgically.

Here, Richards narrowly dodges an anti-molecular force blast from Doom.

Doom has even built the same kind of weapon into Ultron to use it on Thor.

Doom humiliated multiple bloodlusted Hulks in just his standard armor. Tony needs a Hulkbuster to even stand a chance against ONE before getting humiliated.

Iron Man is outclassed here.

#49 Edited by reventon64 (49 posts) - - Show Bio

@azathoth_the_dread_sleeper:

You do realize Iron Man has most of the weapons Dooms does as well. Not to mention he has counter measures for almost everything.

#50 Edited by Azathoth_The_Dread_Sleeper (597 posts) - - Show Bio

@reventon64 said:

@azathoth_the_dread_sleeper:

You do realize Iron Man has most of the weapons Dooms does as well. Not to mention he has counter measures for almost everything.

"Most of the weapons Dooms does"

You literally can't any more broad and more VAGUE than a blanket, over-generalized statement like THAT.

Doom stomps.