#151 Posted by comic_book_fan (5837 posts) - - Show Bio

batman wins.

#152 Edited by SlimJ87D (10553 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@slimj87d said:

@krauser99: Without the use of gadgets and just pure H2H, has he done anything that puts him above Danny beating Sabretooth two times pretty much blindfolded in both encounters?

I believe that was before sabretooth was established with powers. Spider-man also defeated sabretooth by webbing his face which caused him to scratch the webbing off and sent sabretooth to the hospital in the process during the same era. He was a bit of a joke in that time period.

At that time, Sabertooth lacked a healing factor. However, when they fought, Danny was not only blind, but severely weakened. He was at a complete loss during that fight. He has actually beaten Sabertooth 3 times, and the final (once again danny was depowered and off his game) was in an era when Sabertooth wasn't lowballed or taken as a joke.

Cool thanks. I've been trying to find those scans for awhile. What issue was it and how was Danny weakened there?

#153 Posted by CalebHara (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

@slimj87d: I have been organizing myself as of late. I deleted the issue and kept the fight. Sorry about that, but i can't remember which issue it was. IIRC, Danny was "off his game" because he felt as if he couldn't fight the the same combative edge that he always has, he had recently taken a loss to a laughable opponent. He was weakened in terms of limited chi usage and fighting non-stop.

#154 Posted by CalebHara (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

@krauser99:

Impressive but this feat is nothing that has superiority, of characters that I've seen for Daredevil, Batman, Nightwing or even Cassandra Cain herself.

That is ridiculous. I consider myself quite an expert on all of those characters, and i can say honestly that Cassandra Cain is the only one of that lot that you have listed that comes close to having micro-second reaction time. I can go feat-for-feat all day, i guarantee you i can prove that Danny is exponentially faster.

The fact is he caught that bullet and it shows chi being utilized.

If you can prove that he uses chi to augment his speed in order to catch a bullet, be my guest. Before you do, consider this.

  • fact: Danny can use chi to make his fist into "a thing of iron"
  • fact: Catching a sniper round using a downward swiping motion would rip apart a normal human beings hand
  • fact: Danny has the speed to catch a bullet, without any chi amplification, it is through pure martial training
  • fact (unless you can prove me wrong): There is no evidence that Danny has used chi to amplify his speed, even after his training with Orson

#155 Posted by SirNickTheEpic (600 posts) - - Show Bio

iron fist takes this he is the best fighter in both universes.

#156 Posted by comic_book_fan (5837 posts) - - Show Bio

batman

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#158 Edited by Marshall_Long (2243 posts) - - Show Bio

If it's strictly H2H then Batman.

#159 Posted by PowerHerc (85153 posts) - - Show Bio

Given the OP this could go either way but I'll give Batman a slight advantage based on size and strength.

#160 Posted by Wolverine08 (44973 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Fist. Dude has trained with mystical beings in martial arts. Nuff said.

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#161 Posted by comic_book_fan (5837 posts) - - Show Bio

batman has mastered almost every fighting style is and he is way smarter .

#162 Posted by Wolverine08 (44973 posts) - - Show Bio

@comic_book_fan:

Iron Fist has mastered almost every fighting style and taken it a step further by training in mystical martial arts.

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#163 Posted by OhItsThatGuy (791 posts) - - Show Bio

It's hard to tell when IF is using chi or not. A lot of his feats are superhuman.

#164 Edited by SirNickTheEpic (600 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron fist curb stomps baman

#165 Posted by dondave (38775 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron fist curb stomps baman

Even if Iron Fist wins, it's by no means a stomp

#166 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (7043 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Fist wins in my honest opinion. He has done things like blitz people before the bullet could even leave the gun and has even staggered War Machine with like a kick...

People might say he was chi amped, but I doubt it, given that he usually has an aura around him when he uses it.

#167 Posted by Carter_esque (6447 posts) - - Show Bio

Bats easily

#168 Posted by SirNickTheEpic (600 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave:

I kinda is he drains his foes chi energy and as batman is a martial artist he uses it whether he wants to or not. this will tier batman out causing this fight to become and iron fist curb stomp. batman is good but wolverine, iron fist and captain America out do him.

#169 Posted by CF12793 (2993 posts) - - Show Bio

this is a VERY tough battle to call, and would probably last for a long time, but I give the majority to Batman (slightly). Iron Fist has done some pretty incredible things over the years, but Batman is not only a master of all martial arts, he's a lot smarter than Danny is. His tactical mind combined with his skill and higher physicals would help him figure out a way to win. I'd give this to Batman, maybe at a 6/10.

#170 Edited by Atwerx (11 posts) - - Show Bio

Love both of these characters... Read both of them. Who wins H2H? Come on man Iron Fist takes this... Now in a battle of anything at their disposal Batman would find a way to win. But not H2H.. Nope, nope, nope... And I don't even think the fight goes more then a few minutes...

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#172 Posted by Web_Flotsam (1118 posts) - - Show Bio

After a long battle, they both die of massive internal injures.

It's hard to tell when IF is using chi or not. A lot of his feats are superhuman.

So are a lot of Batman's.

#173 Posted by Cable_Extreme (9689 posts) - - Show Bio

Seeing how Iron Fist has so many years of training, on that sole fact I give him the win, Iron Fist

#174 Posted by OhItsThatGuy (791 posts) - - Show Bio
#175 Posted by Wolverine08 (44973 posts) - - Show Bio

Fist.

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#176 Edited by TheTrueBarryAllen (5847 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Fist takes this.

After gaining all the knowledge of the previous Iron Fists from the Book of the Iron Fist Rand is crazy good at H2H combat.

There is a battle in which Iron Fist is able to take down Wolverine, Colossus, and Nightcrawler without his Chi, and that was before he had the Book of the Iron Fist. Of course it's an older showing and probably isn't as relevant now a days but I figured it was worth mentioning.

#177 Posted by patrat18 (10624 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman.

#178 Posted by Wolverine08 (44973 posts) - - Show Bio

Still Iron Fist.

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#179 Posted by Jmarshmallow (9802 posts) - - Show Bio

Not that this is predictable at all, but I say Batman takes it due to about equal fighting skill if not better, better physicals without chi, and a superior tactical mind.

Jmarshmallow

#180 Posted by Wolverine08 (44973 posts) - - Show Bio

Not that this is predictable at all, but I say Batman takes it due to about equal fighting skill if not better, better physicals without chi, and a superior tactical mind.

Jmarshmallow

That has never really played a part in pure H2H combat to be frank.

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#181 Edited by Wyldsong (5795 posts) - - Show Bio

Danny.

Sure he used a little chi in that attack, but chi had nothing to do with being able to fight while in a meditative state. That is some serious skill.

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#182 Posted by Jmarshmallow (9802 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: Beg to differ.

Predicting movement, knowing and executing weak points, and planning ahead while being attacked all involve tactics during H2H.

Jmarshmallow

#183 Posted by Wolverine08 (44973 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: Beg to differ.

Predicting movement, knowing and executing weak points, and planning ahead while being attacked all involve tactics during H2H.

Jmarshmallow

Those are things all master martial artist like Iron Fist are trained to do.

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#184 Posted by WaveMotionCannon (5605 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Fist wins this. Mastery of earth martial arts, Kun Lun martial arts ( which Batgod has no counter for) and mystical arts= wins

#185 Edited by Omnicrono (2001 posts) - - Show Bio

@wavemotioncannon said:

Iron Fist wins this. Mastery of earth martial arts, Kun Lun martial arts ( which Batgod has no counter for) and mystical arts= wins

My understanding is that no mystical arts are allowed. This is purely H2H according to the OP.

EDIT: And neither has Iron Fist ever experienced Bat-fu. (lol)

#186 Posted by Cooldes (4145 posts) - - Show Bio

@omnicrono: his mystical martial arts styles are still h2h, just no chi.

#187 Edited by Omnicrono (2001 posts) - - Show Bio

@cooldes said:

@omnicrono: his mystical martial arts styles are still h2h, just no chi.

That makes a little more sense. However, WaveMotion had said simply "mystical arts." (i.e. magic, divination, sorcery, etc, are typically what is meant by this).

#188 Posted by Ironshinobi88 (1296 posts) - - Show Bio

Sorry Batfans, but Iron Fist defeats Bruce.

sometimes you have to accept the fact that Batman does not always win.

#189 Posted by Jmarshmallow (9802 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: Very true!

That's why I said "superior."

Jmarshmallow

#190 Posted by Jmarshmallow (9802 posts) - - Show Bio
#191 Edited by JeanRalphio (1842 posts) - - Show Bio

Timeless bump but WOW. Anyone who says Batman,knows nothing about Iron Fist.

#192 Posted by VMole (635 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Fist.

#193 Posted by texasdeathmatch (13171 posts) - - Show Bio

I love Iron Fist, but give Bruce a little credit here.

#194 Posted by JeanRalphio (1842 posts) - - Show Bio

I love Iron Fist, but give Bruce a little credit here.

Even with a little credit he still loses.

#195 Posted by NICK31898 (2181 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Fist

#196 Posted by SirNickTheEpic (600 posts) - - Show Bio

omg batfans really, batman vs iron fist come on batman exploits the weekness of his foe danny has no weakness noteable, his will is superior his fighting styles are superior. yeah batman knows 127ish martial arts but danny know ancient arts future arts creates his on for fun, he doesn't need chi to kill batman, that's the other thing batman wont kill there for he will have to pull punches, iron fist will kill and wont hold back every move and attack is designed to kill a super human in one hit, his speed and agility matches spiderman and daredevil, his skill tops captain Americas, his tactic and intellect on combat out match anything in the marvel universe, this guys is seriously under estimate even with prep batman looses, because if bats get prep if get chi and this gives him super human everything including senses batmans stealth is out of the question it wont work, and as for hand to hand yeah batman might have a fancy bullet proof suit (with prep) but that iron fist cant dent or even break caps shield (adamantium and vibranium).... iron fist cannot loose unless he was suffering from the flu

#197 Posted by Marvelfanxx (115 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd love to see this fight, I'd have Iron Fist for my vote!

#198 Edited by CF12793 (2993 posts) - - Show Bio

Would give it to Iron Fist.

Either way, it wouldn't be easy.

#199 Posted by Wyldsong (5795 posts) - - Show Bio

Still Iron Fist=)

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#200 Posted by Experio (16913 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron fist