#101 Posted by russellmania77 (14624 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman

#102 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (3486 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman. He always fights with morals, it's harder not to kill someone by accident that it is for calculated hits. Bats is above Cassie and Shiva morals off, morals on he's tied with shiva and Cass. The fact is most of the fighters named all wanted Bats dead and fought with Morals off. On even ground he could be practically unstoppable h2h. I'm this fight with no Chi, Danny loses.

#103 Edited by CalebHara (2329 posts) - - Show Bio
#104 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (3486 posts) - - Show Bio

@calebhara: Danny is pretty fast but PiS or not we've seen Bruce outreact bullets. It's consistently shown that he has quick reflexes and when he's not fast enough he plays smarter. Fighting is like chess, size up your opponent and set him up, adjust to his strategy with an ample defense. Bruce is an incredibly astute fighter making far more than just "martial" to the phrase "martial artist". Either way anyone implying its a "stomp" in eithers favor is mistaken.

#105 Posted by CalebHara (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

@supermanwithatan01: Oh believe me, im well aware of the fact that this isn't a stomp in either favor. I am also headstrong with the fact that Bruce is a bullet timer, and i have to constantly break down his feats on this site. However, while fast, Bruce is nowhere near Danny's speed. I'll go feat for feat really quick to explain what i mean.

Here are some of Bruce's high-end bullet timing feats. Here, he ducks two shooters at the same time, takes one out, the other gunman fires, he turns, perceives the shots and ducks under them (like Neo from the Matrix)

Or here, he dodges multiple shots.

Bullet timing? Yes. But is it Iron Fist speed? No. Now let me show you some of Danny's high end feats.

Here, he catches a sniper bullet. Yes, he actually catches a bullet. (Keep in mind that he doesn't use chi to catch the bullet, he uses chi to avoid his hand from being torn to pieces by the shot.)

This is something that requires much more speed, and much more precision than simply just dodging a shot.

Or here, he takes out a gunman before a bullet leaves the gun. Let me break this down. The gun man shoots, and as the bullet leaves the barrel of the gun, Danny closes distance and strikes. So he closed a distance of around 2 meters in the time it takes a bullet to travel 10-20 inches. Thats faster than any standard bullet-timing feat. A lot faster.

Danny is much faster than your average bullet timer. Faster than Bruce to be honest. When it comes down to it, their skill is very comparable. So is their striking power. Danny's superior speed will mean that he can get more hits in than Bruce can.

#106 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (19968 posts) - - Show Bio
#107 Posted by CalebHara (2329 posts) - - Show Bio
#108 Posted by TJSH96 (773 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman is an expert at almost everything man has been successful in doing and knows almost everything known to man. Batman knows chi also. Batman utilizes his power so effectively that a near-meta human like deathstroke comments that "Batman hits harder than most beings with super-human strength." Iron-fists is an extremely skilled martial artist, but Batman takes this without any effort here.

#109 Posted by CalebHara (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

@tjsh96:

Batman utilizes his power so effectively that a near-meta human like deathstroke comments that "Batman hits harder than most beings with super-human strength."

Taken straight from the Batman Wiki? Am i right?

#110 Edited by Supermanwithatan01 (3486 posts) - - Show Bio

@calebhara: I wasn't trying to say Bruce is faster, merely remarking on the speed being negated by intellect. Speed is important but Bruce isn't slow. Not Danny fast I'm just saying he could keep up long enough to go unorthodox on him. I'd say Bruce 6/10 (though I could be swayed honestly) with morals ON. Morals OFF (no chi, strictly h2h) I'd say Bruce maybe even 7-8/10. Your thoughts?

#111 Posted by comic_book_fan (5318 posts) - - Show Bio

batman wins.

#112 Posted by SlimJ87D (9367 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Fist is severly being underestimated here. The guy doesn't have to use Chi all the time. Like I said earlier, in his early career and even a lot of his recent appearences he doesn't use Chi that much. To be honest he uses Chi probably less than Batman uses gadgets. There are dozens of showins I can show but I do not have the time.

Here he is beating Sabretooth blinded by the sun. He has to rely on pure skill to KO Sabretooth.

And again, he beats Sabretooth WITHOUT Chi at a disadvantage.

Skill wise, Iron Fist is a beast even without Chi.

#113 Posted by James_Lockart (347 posts) - - Show Bio

Skill wise IF cannot match Batman. Batman has taken down a Predator and shown mercy to another. He killed Dracula and has beaten far worse than IF.

IF is a great martial artist. You can be a Olympic judo champ like Hidehiko Yoshidha and still lose to better rounded and more intelligent MMA players.

Batman has this.

#114 Posted by darktiger (4270 posts) - - Show Bio

@tjsh96: agree with everything you said except without effort

#116 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (6954 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Fist stomps.

#117 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (6954 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Fist wins.

#118 Edited by BlueLantern1995 (2448 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Fist

#119 Posted by matanui123 (306 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman stomps 10/10

#120 Posted by SlimJ87D (9367 posts) - - Show Bio
#121 Posted by texasdeathmatch (13171 posts) - - Show Bio

Without chi or weapons, this is definitely not a stomp either way. You guys are so dramatic.

#122 Posted by k4tzm4n (36474 posts) - - Show Bio

Without chi or weapons, this is definitely not a stomp either way. You guys are so dramatic.

I really hope someone:

A) Flips out at you

or

B) Posts a gif of that housewife going super drama and attempting to flip a table.

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#123 Posted by God_Spawn (37382 posts) - - Show Bio

Without chi or weapons, this is definitely not a stomp either way. You guys are so dramatic.

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#124 Posted by texasdeathmatch (13171 posts) - - Show Bio

haha everyone needs to CHILL OUT

#125 Posted by PowerHerc (81712 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Fist wins.

#126 Edited by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (4928 posts) - - Show Bio

Ii doesn't take a Detective to figure out Iron Fist wins. ;)

#127 Edited by matanui123 (306 posts) - - Show Bio
#128 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (3486 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol everyone's posts are funny. I will just agree with whatever @k4tzm4n says!

#129 Edited by SlimJ87D (9367 posts) - - Show Bio

@matanui123 said:

@slimj87d said:

@matanui123 said:

Batman stomps 10/10

How?

IDFK I'm not Batman.

Far from it I can see that. Batman is actually pretty smart. I guess he doesn't' stomp then.

#130 Edited by matanui123 (306 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh yes direct correlation there. I'm not Batman therefore Batman doesn't stomp.

#131 Edited by Alexander505 (2144 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know...maybe stalemate..

#132 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman has more feats.

The Knight wins 7/10.

#133 Posted by krauser99 (826 posts) - - Show Bio

This fight is practically a toss up. I'll side with Batman barely but Danny is no joke.

#134 Posted by krauser99 (826 posts) - - Show Bio

I think that feat can be disregarded since he is using chi and this was after he gained extra knowledge of his chi being like unto an ocean from his trainer Orson Randall and a certain book IIRC.

#135 Edited by SlimJ87D (9367 posts) - - Show Bio

@krauser99: Without the use of gadgets and just pure H2H, has he done anything that puts him above Danny beating Sabretooth two times pretty much blindfolded in both encounters?

#136 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

iron fist. but probably batman cause batman

#137 Posted by jashro44 (19906 posts) - - Show Bio

@slimj87d said:

@krauser99: Without the use of gadgets and just pure H2H, has he done anything that puts him above Danny beating Sabretooth two times pretty much blindfolded in both encounters?

I believe that was before sabretooth was established with powers. Spider-man also defeated sabretooth by webbing his face which caused him to scratch the webbing off and sent sabretooth to the hospital in the process during the same era. He was a bit of a joke in that time period.

#138 Posted by krauser99 (826 posts) - - Show Bio

@slimj87d said:

@krauser99: Without the use of gadgets and just pure H2H, has he done anything that puts him above Danny beating Sabretooth two times pretty much blindfolded in both encounters?

Off the top of my head. I'd say Batman one shotting killer Croc with one punch.
Plus not to undermine Iron Fist. That version of Creed at that time was some what of a jobber getting KO'ed by Black Cat IIRC.

#139 Edited by CalebHara (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

@krauser99: Look at what we know. Chi turns Danny's fist into a thing of Iron, it says so almost every single time that he uses and Iron Fist Punch. We know he can do this, he has done it many times. Does Danny use chi to augment his speed to the point where he can catch a bullet? We have no idea. Sure Orson opened up his ability set, but we don't know if Danny learned something to do with speed augmentation through chi via. training with Orson. We do know it can turn his fist into "a thing of iron."

Another thing is, Danny has shown that he has microsecond reaction time and speed sufficient enough to pull off a feat like this long before his training with Orson. His speed fats before training with orson all match that of someone who should realistically be able to catch a bullet. So, he wouldn't have to use chi in the first place, he is already fast enough.

I think it is only logical to assume that he used his chi to keep his hand from being torn to pieces from catching a bullet using a vertical swipe. As it would have been if he hadn't used his chi.

#140 Posted by kidman560 (7577 posts) - - Show Bio

dude Iron fist had to beat the crap out of a dragon to get his powers (right?) i give the slight edge to Iron fist in hand 2 hand here

#141 Posted by _Cerberus_ (3436 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Fist

#142 Posted by CalebHara (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@slimj87d said:

@krauser99: Without the use of gadgets and just pure H2H, has he done anything that puts him above Danny beating Sabretooth two times pretty much blindfolded in both encounters?

I believe that was before sabretooth was established with powers. Spider-man also defeated sabretooth by webbing his face which caused him to scratch the webbing off and sent sabretooth to the hospital in the process during the same era. He was a bit of a joke in that time period.

At that time, Sabertooth lacked a healing factor. However, when they fought, Danny was not only blind, but severely weakened. He was at a complete loss during that fight. He has actually beaten Sabertooth 3 times, and the final (once again danny was depowered and off his game) was in an era when Sabertooth wasn't lowballed or taken as a joke.

#143 Posted by robertloucksjr (1671 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Fist. Its what he does. He's an Immortal Weapon trained in an interdimensional mystical city by monks whose goal has been martial arts perfection for millenia. Batman is the DC's World's Greatest Detective.

#144 Edited by jashro44 (19906 posts) - - Show Bio

@calebhara: All I'm saying is that in the scans posted that era of sabretooth wasn't really well established yet. These scans are impressive but skimming through them on the 2nd last scan iron fist does state he is using chi which makes sense. I think without chi iron fist wouldn't be able to KO Sabretooth. Black panthers punches didn't do much to sabretooth and he has tanked a crashing plane explosion and was fighting wolverine right after the explosion (he wasn't knocked out at all). With chi iron fist should stomp but without it I can't see him putting sabretooth down.

#145 Posted by CalebHara (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: Fair enough, i agree for the most part. As for the thread, i honestly couldn't see Bruce doing any better against Sabertooth.

#146 Posted by jashro44 (19906 posts) - - Show Bio

@calebhara: I agree batman would lose to sabretooth.

#147 Edited by krauser99 (826 posts) - - Show Bio

Another thing is, Danny has shown that he has microsecond reaction time and speed sufficient enough to pull off a feat like this long before his training with Orson. His speed fats before training with orson all match that of someone who should realistically be able to catch a bullet. So, he wouldn't have to use chi in the first place, he is already fast enough.

I think it is only logical to assume that he used his chi to keep his hand from being torn to pieces from catching a bullet using a vertical swipe. As it would have been if he hadn't used his chi.

Unless the chi factor is completely turned off for him. It becomes speculation at best for that bullet catch scene. I think it's just as logical to assume he could have used his chi to up his speed catch as well. Maybe even both apply resistance to his hand and amp his speed. I've seen many feats of Danny like deflecting 50 fletchetes or after images scenes but Batman has his own impressive speed feats as well. But the OP makes it very clear that Iron Fist uses no chi in this battle.

#148 Posted by CalebHara (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

@krauser99: There is actually little evidence that Danny uses chi to amp his speed in the first place. It is normally due to his intensive martial art training. If i search through my Iron Fist collection, i won't be able to find many feats, or even statements where Danny is admittedly using chi to amp his speed.

This is the scene where Danny claims that he can react in the micro second while dodging hails of machine gun fire. He doesn't state that it is through chi amplification that he is granted this reaction time, he states that it is through training. Danny is simply that fast.

#149 Posted by P0rtal (872 posts) - - Show Bio

wait a second, hold the front door, are you kidding me, put the dog on a leash, stop the presses...by odins beard there are people on the earth that think Batman is going to lose a 1v1? HES THE DAMNED BATMAN. I don't care how fast Iron Fist is or how many inches long his chi is...he is 1v1ing THE DAMNED BATMAN.

#150 Edited by krauser99 (826 posts) - - Show Bio

@calebhara said:

@krauser99: There is actually little evidence that Danny uses chi to amp his speed in the first place. It is normally due to his intensive martial art training. If i search through my Iron Fist collection, i won't be able to find many feats, or even statements where Danny is admittedly using chi to amp his speed.

This is the scene where Danny claims that he can react in the micro second while dodging hails of machine gun fire. He doesn't state that it is through chi amplification that he is granted this reaction time, he states that it is through training. Danny is simply that fast.

Impressive but this feat is nothing that has superiority, of characters that I've seen for Daredevil, Batman, Nightwing or even Cassandra Cain herself. The fact is he caught that bullet and it shows chi being utilized.