It's 127 styles, to be exact. It was never stated that Batman mastered that many styles, however. He could just be very skilled at them. Long before the number of style he mastered was even written down, he was stated to be skilled at all forms of martial arts, but a master of none of them (it was pre-crisis). He could quite possibly be a jack of all trades, based on this.
That sounds much more reasonable than what everyone else has been saying. Proficient in 127 styles then? And possibly knowledgeable on most or all?
@spiderbat87: I agree! Someone like Logan who has lived for so long I could believe (but still a stretch since he spends his time doing many things besides learning new fighting styles) but how old is Batman supposed to be? How can he learn all the arts know to man? -__-
Could go either way, I give an incredibly slight edge to Danny though, and it's been stated in the JLA A-Z book that Batman has mastered all styles of combat. I'm pretty sure it states in the handbook that Rand has mastered all styles of martial arts too, I keep hearing that he's been bumped down to a 6 but I'm still looking for that.
The DC Comics Encyclopedia says that he mastered every style he learned.
DC Encyclopedia is not canon.
All the issues it lists as references in the back are from continuity and it was made by Scott Beatty who works extensively for DC Comics. How is it not genuine?
@HughJass: Because it's been documented in comics that he's skilled in all forms of combat but a master of none. That, in itself, contradicts that encyclopedia, which gets all of its information from comic books.
The DC Comics Encyclopedia says that he mastered every style he learned.
DC Encyclopedia is not canon.
Proof? I don't see how it's any less canon than the Marvel handbooks that everyone is so fond of using. Unless you're talking about a specific edition of an encyclopedia.
@HughJass: Because it's been documented in comics that he's skilled in all forms of combat but a master of none. That, in itself, contradicts that encyclopedia, which gets all of its information from comic books.
How long ago was this? Because the instance Hughjass is talking about is from 2005-2006.
The DC Comics Encyclopedia says that he mastered every style he learned.
DC Encyclopedia is not canon.
Proof? I don't see how it's any less canon than the Marvel handbooks that everyone is so fond of using. Unless you're talking about a specific edition of an encyclopedia.
Proof is that it is an assumption of the writer and liberties are taken. If not, I would gladly look up the reference listed for Batman's mastery of all forms of martial arts. Whenever you can provide it.
@HughJass: Because it's been documented in comics that he's skilled in all forms of combat but a master of none. That, in itself, contradicts that encyclopedia, which gets all of its information from comic books.
Do you have scans? Because Batman has said he's trained to perfection in all fighting styles, his Secret Files & Origins (which is an actual comic) says he has mastered every form of violent combat to an unheard of degree. And here's a scan where it says he has mastered them all as well.
@HughJass: Because it's been documented in comics that he's skilled in all forms of combat but a master of none. That, in itself, contradicts that encyclopedia, which gets all of its information from comic books.
Do you have scans? Because Batman has said he's trained to perfection in all fighting styles, his Secret Files & Origins (which is an actual comic) says he has mastered every form of violent combat to an unheard of degree. And here's a scan where it says he has mastered them all as well.
What issue is that? Because that is looking really Pre-Crisis to me.
How long ago was this? Because the instance Hughjass is talking about is from 2005-2006.
I think it was Pre-Crisis, but I don't think Batman was affected by the COIE.
I believe that Batman pre crisis is Earth one who was different from New Earth Batman, I believe they ended up merging together at one point. I'm not 100% sure though.
Wasn't Year One for DC characters suppose to retcon everything that happened pre crisis?
What about this? From Detective Comics 411 states that he's a master of all fighting arts.
The DC Comics Encyclopedia says that he mastered every style he learned.
DC Encyclopedia is not canon.
Proof? I don't see how it's any less canon than the Marvel handbooks that everyone is so fond of using. Unless you're talking about a specific edition of an encyclopedia.
Proof is that it is an assumption of the writer and liberties are taken. If not, I would gladly look up the reference listed for Batman's mastery of all forms of martial arts. Whenever you can provide it.
That isn't proof, I was asking more for something that states that JLA A to Z isn't canon. If this is the case than alot of the Marvel handbook should be non canon since it isn't directly supported by something stated in the comics.
@Hohenheim_of_light: HughJass just posted that scan. Plus, it's Pre-Crisis, so it's questionable. A lot of characters (like Richard Dragon) weren't affected by it.
@Hohenheim_of_light: HughJass just posted that scan. Plus, it's Pre-Crisis, so it's questionable. A lot of characters (like Richard Dragon) weren't affected by it.
Well if there's a pre crisis instance stating he was highly skilled, and another pre crisis instance stating that he mastered every style, than an actual JLA A-Z [which is essentially DC's OHOTMU] stating that he mastered every style, I'd say that the DC 411 instance is more valid.
That isn't proof, I was asking more for something that states that JLA A to Z isn't canon. If this is the case than alot of the Marvel handbook should be non canon since it isn't directly supported by something stated in the comics.
It is not canon because it does not take place in the DC universe at all. Handbooks are not solid sources. They are guidelines at best. Wolverine's page in the Marvel handbook states that he will die if he loses organs. That is not at all true. They are good sources for people that are ignorant to a character but they are NOT hard fact.
Well if there's a pre crisis instance stating he was highly skilled, and another pre crisis instance stating that he mastered every style, than an actual JLA A-Z [which is essentially DC's OHOTMU] stating that he mastered every style, I'd say that the DC 411 instance is more valid.
I would not. Considering Batman himself very recently stated otherwise.
His Secret Files & Origins (which is an actual comic) says he has mastered every form of violent combat to an unheard of degree. Here's two other scans of him explaining his capabilities (which might make it less credible).
That isn't proof, I was asking more for something that states that JLA A to Z isn't canon. If this is the case than alot of the Marvel handbook should be non canon since it isn't directly supported by something stated in the comics.
It is not canon because it does not take place in the DC universe at all. Handbooks are not solid sources. They are guidelines at best. Wolverine's page in the Marvel handbook states that he will die if he loses organs. That is not at all true. They are good sources for people that are ignorant to a character but they are NOT hard fact.
If I recall you yourself used Marvel's handbook once to verify Wolverine's mastery of all martial arts style...
Well if there's a pre crisis instance stating he was highly skilled, and another pre crisis instance stating that he mastered every style, than an actual JLA A-Z [which is essentially DC's OHOTMU] stating that he mastered every style, I'd say that the DC 411 instance is more valid.
I would not. Considering Batman himself very recently stated otherwise.
That isn't proof, I was asking more for something that states that JLA A to Z isn't canon. If this is the case than alot of the Marvel handbook should be non canon since it isn't directly supported by something stated in the comics.
It is not canon because it does not take place in the DC universe at all. Handbooks are not solid sources. They are guidelines at best. Wolverine's page in the Marvel handbook states that he will die if he loses organs. That is not at all true. They are good sources for people that are ignorant to a character but they are NOT hard fact.
If I recall you yourself used Marvel's handbook once to verify Wolverine's mastery of all martial arts style...
That isn't proof, I was asking more for something that states that JLA A to Z isn't canon. If this is the case than alot of the Marvel handbook should be non canon since it isn't directly supported by something stated in the comics.
It is not canon because it does not take place in the DC universe at all. Handbooks are not solid sources. They are guidelines at best. Wolverine's page in the Marvel handbook states that he will die if he loses organs. That is not at all true. They are good sources for people that are ignorant to a character but they are NOT hard fact.
If I recall you yourself used Marvel's handbook once to verify Wolverine's mastery of all martial arts style...
Batgirl V1 issue 07. Batman's lifetime of accumulated martial arts knowledge encompasses 127 martial arts styles.
As for the Wolverine scan. Well you got me. I was being lazy because I do not feel like going and finding the evidence for you. A handbook that happens to be right on that particular thing is just as good.
@HughJass:I haven't read Secret Origins but the Widening Gyre isn't canon, that manga one probably isn't either.
I had a feeling Death Mask wouldn't fly, but how is the Widening Gyre not canon?
I'm not sure but ask entropy aegis since he's the most knowledgable person on Batman.
@Erik said:
@Hohenheim_of_light:
Batgirl V1 issue 07. Batman's lifetime of accumulated martial arts knowledge encompasses 127 martial arts styles.
As for the Wolverine scan. Well you got me. I was being lazy because I do not feel like going and finding the evidence for you. A handbook that happens to be right on that particular thing is just as good.
Are you talking about when he gave Batgirl that disc? He only stated that there was a lifetime worth of knowledge on that disc, not that it's his lifetime of knowledge. In the next scan it states that there are 127 major styles of combat, it sounds like he's saying that there are 127 major styles of combat total, so if he mastered all of those styles that would make him a master of all styles on the planet.
As for the Wolverine scan. Well you got me. I was being lazy because I do not feel like going and finding the evidence for you. A handbook that happens to be right on that particular thing is just as good.
Well that would be true if there was actual evidence to support this.
Batgirl V1 issue 07. Batman's lifetime of accumulated martial arts knowledge encompasses 127 martial arts styles.
As for the Wolverine scan. Well you got me. I was being lazy because I do not feel like going and finding the evidence for you. A handbook that happens to be right on that particular thing is just as good.
Are you talking about when he gave Batgirl that disc? He only stated that there was a lifetime worth of knowledge on that disc, not that it's his lifetime of knowledge. In the next scan it states that there are 127 major styles of combat, it sounds like he's saying that there are 127 major styles of combat total, so if he mastered all of those styles that would make him a master of all styles on the planet.
Right. A lifetime worth of knowledge on that disc. Either his or others. So you are either saying that he knows 127 different fighting styles or you are saying that he has yet to even catch up to that.
As for the Wolverine scan. Well you got me. I was being lazy because I do not feel like going and finding the evidence for you. A handbook that happens to be right on that particular thing is just as good.
Well that would be true if there was actual evidence to support this.
Well you do not have to believe it if you do not want to. I honestly do not care either way. The evidence exists, but since I do not remember where, I am not going to rummage through thousands of my issues to find it. But you go ahead and go around stating that Wolverine is not. See how much credibility that will gain you.
As for the Wolverine scan. Well you got me. I was being lazy because I do not feel like going and finding the evidence for you. A handbook that happens to be right on that particular thing is just as good.
Well that would be true if there was actual evidence to support this.
Well you do not have to believe it if you do not want to. I honestly do not care either way. The evidence exists, but since I do not remember where, I am not going to rummage through thousands of my issues to find it. But you go ahead and go around stating that Wolverine is not. See how much credibility that will gain you.
Well I have confirmation from Buckshot, one of the most respected people on this site, that he hasn't, and if no one has shown any evidence to say otherwise than the logical conclusion says that he hasn't. I'm not asking you to do anything but you still did use a handbook entry to support a character and are now saying it isn't valid for use of another character, smells like a double standard to me.
Batgirl V1 issue 07. Batman's lifetime of accumulated martial arts knowledge encompasses 127 martial arts styles.
As for the Wolverine scan. Well you got me. I was being lazy because I do not feel like going and finding the evidence for you. A handbook that happens to be right on that particular thing is just as good.
Are you talking about when he gave Batgirl that disc? He only stated that there was a lifetime worth of knowledge on that disc, not that it's his lifetime of knowledge. In the next scan it states that there are 127 major styles of combat, it sounds like he's saying that there are 127 major styles of combat total, so if he mastered all of those styles that would make him a master of all styles on the planet.
Right. A lifetime worth of knowledge on that disc. Either his or others. So you are either saying that he knows 127 different fighting styles or you are saying that he has yet to even catch up to that.
A lifetime of knowledge doesn't mean that it's all of Batman's martial arts knowledge on that disc. I'm stating that he said that there are 127 styles of combat total which really has nothing to do with the disc that he gave Batgirl.
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