@jeanroygrant: yes. the latest retcon during the "Illuminati" where it was discovered that the Beyonder was a mutant Inhuman at birth and got even more powerful after the terrigan mist.
Retconned Beyonder that appeared in one of the Illuminati oneshots. It was retconned that he was just a really powerful Inhuman, not an entity from another universe as he was originally intended.
This is getting ridiculous. Sentry can barely even handle the likes of Blue Marvel and Thor. What makes people think he can hang with any incarnation of the Beyonder?
@pooty: @JediXMan: Beyonder would probably still curbstomp Sentry.
Well i see no evidence why not, he was said to be omnipotent, he had his own planet, he had his own heroes and was playing with space and time like it was a child's play. The illumaniti felt he was too powerful to confront, dont see how Sentry can win and i am a huge sentry fan.
This is getting ridiculous. Sentry can barely even handle the likes of Blue Marvel and Thor. What makes people think he can hang with any incarnation of the Beyonder?
While he doesn't have much in the way of feats on his own, I think we can assume he was at least as powerful as cosmic cube Beyonder (there was no evidence that those feats (fighting against kubik and MM for instance) were actually accomplished by higher powers. At this power level he was still able to affect things across the universe, across dimension, and across time, which I think puts him far above Sentry. Of course, Sentry beat MM when he was at this level, and in one issue, cosmic cube MM was shown to somehow be more powerful than cosmic cube Beyonder. But basically we have to see Sentry's defeat of MM as being either PIS in extreme, or due to MM's mental state. So mutant inhuman Beyonder for the certain win.
This is getting ridiculous. Sentry can barely even handle the likes of Blue Marvel and Thor. What makes people think he can hang with any incarnation of the Beyonder?
@pooty: @JediXMan: Beyonder would probably still curbstomp Sentry.
Well i see no evidence why not, he was said to be omnipotent, he had his own planet, he had his own heroes and was playing with space and time like it was a child's play. The illumaniti felt he was too powerful to confront, dont see how Sentry can win and i am a huge sentry fan.
I thought i was like the only Sentry fan, because everyone hated him.
He is my second favourite character ( first being Thor obviously )
Okay dont ask me for scans of this because their arent this is what Bendis said at the 2007 Comic-con in Philly
Brian Michael Bendis admitted the asteroid scene was deliberately vague, allowing readers to draw their own connections to Secret Wars II. He also claimed he did not receive enough credit for maintaining the character's 1987 jeri-curl. The story itself is deliberately ambiguous; Black Bolt, for example, does not remember the mutant Inhuman who vanished, making it possible the Beyonder arranged all this as a mind game. Story's connection to modern continuity is unclear: the scene depicted on the asteroid is one which remains in continuity, as does the revelation of the Beyonder as a Cosmic Cube in Secret Wars III.
besides that their was a What If? Issue with this Beyonder but in a different universe and it was supposed to be a represenation of 616. It showed what happen when Black Bolt told Beyonder to leave except Beyonder got pissed at what he said and wound up destroying the universe. Everybody was in standard continuity form it's just that it was in an alt uni and Beyonder destroyed all so Im taking Beyonder here.
What has the Beyonder done since he was retconned?
In that issue, he was casually playing with his own duplicate of Earth, making his own superheroes and villains for them to fight. I forget what else.
Damn!
Think of it this way:
Pre-retcon: The universe was his plaything.
Post-retcon: The planet or localized area of space is his plaything.
Not to say he's necessarily just a planetary threat now. I'd say, considering the level of casual ease with which he manipulated the planet, he's above that and capable of more. But he's still a far cry from his pre-retcon self.
That said, I simply don't see how Sentry can be anything but another toy to him.
Post-retcon: The planet or localized area of space is his plaything.
Not to say he's necessarily just a planetary threat now. I'd say, considering the level of casual ease with which he manipulated the planet, he's above that and capable of more. But he's still a far cry from his pre-retcon self.
That said, I simply don't see how Sentry can be anything but another toy to him.
Understood.I read alot of the books with the original Beyonder.I didn't quite remember what happened with the retconned version re-surfaced.
Interesting battle. SInce the Marvel heroes beat him, I think the Beyonder could as well. He seemed more powerful than Bendis's version on Molecule Man
Post-retcon: The planet or localized area of space is his plaything.
Not to say he's necessarily just a planetary threat now. I'd say, considering the level of casual ease with which he manipulated the planet, he's above that and capable of more. But he's still a far cry from his pre-retcon self.
That said, I simply don't see how Sentry can be anything but another toy to him.
Understood.I read alot of the books with the original Beyonder.I didn't quite remember what happened with the retconned version re-surfaced.
This is why I read most comics more than once.I don't remember anything that happened in Illuminati accept for the fight between Namor and Iron Man and the issue where we found out Blackbolt was a skrull.
This is why I read most comics more than once.I don't remember anything that happened in Illuminati accept for the fight between Namor and Iron Man and the issue where we found out Blackbolt was a skrull.
Haven't read the Skrull one. I think I've only read 1-3 (1 being the fight between Namor and Iron Man, 2 is the Infinity Get, and 3 is Beyonder)
Post by JediXMan @Enosisik said: I wouldn't doubt it if Sentry had reality warping powers. How did he make everyone forget that he existed again? Combination of his own telepathy, Reed Richard's tech, and Classic Strange's magic. Posted 39 minutes ago/ ____ Ah, thanks. Well with Sentry anything is possible, so who knows what they would do here.
@cosmic_light107: that's from when he was a cosmic cube being and we have to take that statement with caution because one of the major theme of the story was Beyonder, did not really know his powers and had, till the end of that story, been extremely overestimating his powers.
The story was about Beyonder learning his place in cosmic hierarchy. The statement therefore is likely an inaccurate portrayal of his powers.
@cosmic_light107: that's from when he was a cosmic cube being and we have to take that statement with caution because one of the major theme of the story was Beyonder, did not really know his powers and had, till the end of that story, been extremely overestimating his powers.
The story was about Beyonder learning his place in cosmic hierarchy. The statement therefore is likely at inaccurate portrayal of his powers.
One of the things Doom and Strange are sure to be discussing is how to deal with the threat of the alien race known as the Beyonders who are behind the Incursions and the impending Multiverse collapse. There's been continuity in recent years that linked the Beyonders to the Inhumans, but there's also been some previous stories that established them as this omnipotent race. It looks like you're leaning toward the race of all-powerful beings approach, correct?
Early on I talked with Brevoort about this and my understanding is that the editorial position regarding the "New Avengers: Illuminati" [miniseries] Bendis wrote was that it was all a construct of that Beyonder. It was all unreliable narrator stuff and he wasn't Inhuman. I think that's clearly the way we've gone, but I don't know that Marvel would think they've ever moved off this path. It was just Beyonder shenanigans.
@realitywarper: that's a nice way to reconcile it but did they ever explained why Beyonder would think he was an inhuman. After all, it was Charles who read his mind and realized Beyonder was an inhuman.
Seems weird but I suppose they had to reconcile it somehow.
@realitywarper: that's a nice way to reconcile it but did they ever explained why Beyonder would think he was an inhuman. After all, it was Charles who read his mind and realized Beyonder was an inhuman.
Seems weird but I suppose they had to reconcile it somehow.
Maybe it's simply The Beyonder in a quest to find his "Human Potential" ?
I see that as the only way for him to have his revenge on Molecule Man.
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