C'mon Icon doesn't have a knowing weakness,he already take several blows from Superman and wasn't even knocked out and his energy blast gives the edge on this fight
I actually go with Icon on this one, Gladiator is a very....iffy...character.
Yeah, agree with you on this one. I use to try to make arguments for Gladiator because of some of his feats, but the writing of his power levels, with that 'fluctuate with his confidence' junk just makes him to hard to judge.
Sometimes he is an planet-moving, 100 times the speed of light flying powerhouse. Other times, even his it seems his confidence should be high, he is completely underwhelming.
C'mon Icon doesn't have a knowing weakness,he already take several blows from Superman and wasn't even knocked out and his energy blast gives the edge on this fight
This is no stomp. It's fairly even. Plus Gladiator wins.
@Iridiumsaid:
@Jayfournines: @Jayfournines said:
I actually go with Icon on this one, Gladiator is a very....iffy...character.
Yeah, agree with you on this one. I use to try to make arguments for Gladiator because of some of his feats, but the writing of his power levels, with that 'fluctuate with his confidence' junk just makes him to hard to judge.
Sometimes he is an planet-moving, 100 times the speed of light flying powerhouse. Other times, even his it seems his confidence should be high, he is completely underwhelming.
Gladiator cannot move planets alone. Ever. Not even Superman has done this. Gladiator's powers flucturate due to story purpose or PIS.
@weaponxsaid:
Gladiator could win, imo. Icon would probably win in character though.
Gladiator could & would win. And i will back him up in this fight.
@weaponx: @jeanroygrant: You're terrible wrong because this guy wasn't K.O before,beyond tese abilities thta I already cite he has possesses the ability to sense and comprehend anything,so he would sense the Galdiator capabilities,he can icrease his strength using his energy blast and even make massive omnidirectional energy pulse to end the fight
You don't give any reasoon,why Gladiator would win.. Just saying doesn't mean that Gladiator wins
@weaponx: @jeanroygrant: You're terrible wrong because this guy wasn't K.O before,beyond tese abilities thta I already cite he has possesses the ability to sense and comprehend anything,so he would sense the Galdiator capabilities,he can icrease his strength using his energy blast and even make massive omnidirectional energy pulse to end the fight
You don't give any reasoon,why Gladiator would win.. Just saying doesn't mean that Gladiator wins
I give reasons
Icon hasn't been Ko'ed, because he has featured in a fewcomics, what's your point?
Gladiator is also a lot faster than Icon is. Gladiator has heat vision which was matching Phoenix Cyclops Visor Beam. Gladiator is just as strong, he destroyed a planet. He's tanked attacks from three Phoenix 5 members & an attack from Binary, who is a planet buster (It didn't hurt him ).
Icon hurt his hand punching Superman... That wouldn't happen to Gladiator.
Getting burned by Superman's heat vision, Gladiator's could do the same.
@weaponx: @jeanroygrant: @WaveMotionCannon: If Galdiator is so powerful why he loses To Eric Masterson,in the tiem he was imposing as Thor? Or when the Hulk threw him in a nuclear reactor? Hm,he take 3 Phoenix but wait he win? Nope
@weaponx: @jeanroygrant: @WaveMotionCannon: If Galdiator is so powerful why he loses To Eric Masterson,in the tiem he was imposing as Thor? Or when the Hulk threw him in a nuclear reactor? Hm,he take 3 Phoenix but wait he win? Nope
Because Living Lightning helped him (Referring to Masterson Thor) and because Gladiator is weak against that type of radiation (referring to the Hulk fight).
@weaponx: @jeanroygrant: @WaveMotionCannon: If Galdiator is so powerful why he loses To Eric Masterson,in the tiem he was imposing as Thor? Or when the Hulk threw him in a nuclear reactor? Hm,he take 3 Phoenix but wait he win? Nope
@Vance Astro said:
@matchesmalone21 said:
@weaponx: @jeanroygrant: @WaveMotionCannon: If Galdiator is so powerful why he loses To Eric Masterson,in the tiem he was imposing as Thor? Or when the Hulk threw him in a nuclear reactor? Hm,he take 3 Phoenix but wait he win? Nope
Because Living Lightning helped him (Referring to Masterson Thor) and because Gladiator is weak against that type of radiation (referring to the Hulk fight).
C'mon Icon doesn't have a knowing weakness,he already take several blows from Superman and wasn't even knocked out and his energy blast gives the edge on this fight
This is no stomp. It's fairly even. Plus Gladiator wins.
@Iridiumsaid:
@Jayfournines: @Jayfournines said:
I actually go with Icon on this one, Gladiator is a very....iffy...character.
Yeah, agree with you on this one. I use to try to make arguments for Gladiator because of some of his feats, but the writing of his power levels, with that 'fluctuate with his confidence' junk just makes him to hard to judge.
Sometimes he is an planet-moving, 100 times the speed of light flying powerhouse. Other times, even his it seems his confidence should be high, he is completely underwhelming.
Gladiator cannot move planets alone. Ever. Not even Superman has done this. Gladiator's powers flucturate due to story purpose or PIS.
@weaponxsaid:
Gladiator could win, imo. Icon would probably win in character though.
Gladiator could & would win. And i will back him up in this fight.
Here is a snip from Marvel.com ...
" He once lifted the entire 35 floor Baxter Building in New York City, and has boasted of being able to move whole planets."
Granted that 'boasting' about moving planets, and being shown in an issue to move planets are different, but I think there are some scans floating around of him destroying a planet with his bare hands ... I'll see if I can dig em up.
And again, yes, very different. But either way, he has been shown to be horrendously powerful at times.
Gladiator 100% confidence: We are talking about a guy who shatters planets, survives supernova's, tears apart black holes with his hands, takes on three of the P5. If he has at 100% confidence he is probably as strong if not stronger than Superman, if he is at this level he will beat Icon
Gladiator >75% confidence: He will probably lose if he is anywhere under 75% confidence he has had some underwhelming showings, and at this point Icon would probably be too much for him.
@Man_of_Miracles: He's so strong that loses to Masterson imposing as Thor,Hulk when played Gladiator in a nuclear plant and has lost more than half of the Marvel Universe. His confidence doesn't change nothing,he already loses with 100 %
@Vance Astro: I know I just point the inconsistent on Gladiator powers and durability and like I said Icon doesn't have a knowing weakness.
that type? or types?
Gladiator has fought Thor 3 times:
1. He won (The Mighty Thor 536), but that was thanks to 60 second rule.
2. The second time he lost to thor because he was distracted by a falling plane he tried to save (The Mighty Thor 537)
3. He lost to Erik Masterson like you pointed out (The Mighty Thor 445) in the issue where he got struck by living lightning from behind, not sure if you have seen the issue.
Hulk instance is a little more elaborate than being weak to radiation but i'll let that slide :)
He does have horrible showings, one of which involves getting knocked out by Gambit's pack of cards, the other would include getting one knocked out by cannonball and worst of all was him being beaten by Reed Richards.
Gladiator is a very inconsistent characters, but does have high showings coupled with low ones. He's actually tanked a blast from Tyrant which is pretty good, traded few punches with silver surfer (but surfer probably was holding back, in Exiles which is non canon he got cut right into half), beat the crap out of hyperion, fought evenly with Supreme (not sure if thats even considered cannon, its a crossover).
That being said, dont even know anything about Icon just though i would give my 2 cents on this matter (since i obviously dont have anything else to do).
Granted that 'boasting' about moving planets, and being shown in an issue to move planets are different, but I think there are some scans floating around of him destroying a planet with his bare hands ... I'll see if I can dig em up.
And again, yes, very different. But either way, he has been shown to be horrendously powerful at times.
I have seen him move giant asteroids so perhaps of moving planets if required.
2. The second time he lost to thor because he was distracted by a falling plane he tried to save (The Mighty Thor 537)
I don't think that's why Gladiator lost. Thor didn't blind side him, he warned him before he hit him.
Is that really counted as a warning? They stop the plane and Thor starts shouting at him and blast him with an energy blast when he was panting (coz last scan he had his head down). But i suppose he did shout it out and Gladiator was just dumb enough to sit there at stare at him like a monkey staring at a banana, writers sometimes dont give two hoots about a character's abilities.
@Vance Astro: Really breaking Hyperion's arm, taking on three of the P5, fighting surfer, tanking a blow from Tyrant, easily moving giant asteroids, punching planets in half, surviving a supernova, etc. etc. aren't impressive?
man the standards for impressive must have gone up since I last checked them.
@Vance Astro: Really breaking Hyperion's arm, taking on three of the P5, fighting surfer, tanking a blow from Tyrant, easily moving giant asteroids, punching planets in half, surviving a supernova, etc. etc. aren't impressive?
Compared to alot of other characters in Gladiator's strength range...no, not impressive.
Ever since I read Icon "may we bang you" story and watched Icon get his butt handed to him by a brick chic I will never bee able to look past that. I think Gladiator takes this Gladiator has ko'd vulcan, and gone pretty much 1 on 3 against Pheonix five members although ending in utter ass whoopedge. I don't think Icon is that level yet.
Granted that 'boasting' about moving planets, and being shown in an issue to move planets are different, but I think there are some scans floating around of him destroying a planet with his bare hands ... I'll see if I can dig em up.
And again, yes, very different. But either way, he has been shown to be horrendously powerful at times.
I have seen him move giant asteroids so perhaps of moving planets if required.
C'mon Icon doesn't have a knowing weakness,he already take several blows from Superman and wasn't even knocked out and his energy blast gives the edge on this fight
This is no stomp. It's fairly even. Plus Gladiator wins.
@Iridiumsaid:
@Jayfournines: @Jayfournines said:
I actually go with Icon on this one, Gladiator is a very....iffy...character.
Yeah, agree with you on this one. I use to try to make arguments for Gladiator because of some of his feats, but the writing of his power levels, with that 'fluctuate with his confidence' junk just makes him to hard to judge.
Sometimes he is an planet-moving, 100 times the speed of light flying powerhouse. Other times, even his it seems his confidence should be high, he is completely underwhelming.
Gladiator cannot move planets alone. Ever. Not even Superman has done this. Gladiator's powers flucturate due to story purpose or PIS.
@weaponxsaid:
Gladiator could win, imo. Icon would probably win in character though.
Gladiator could & would win. And i will back him up in this fight.
Here is a snip from Marvel.com ...
" He once lifted the entire 35 floor Baxter Building in New York City, and has boasted of being able to move whole planets."
Granted that 'boasting' about moving planets, and being shown in an issue to move planets are different, but I think there are some scans floating around of him destroying a planet with his bare hands ... I'll see if I can dig em up.
And again, yes, very different. But either way, he has been shown to be horrendously powerful at times.
Ever since I read Icon "may we bang you" story and watched Icon get his butt handed to him by a brick chic I will never bee able to look past that.
Gladiator has been defeated or humiliated by much less himself. I can see your obvious bias, though.
The fact that Icon lost to much less is overshadowed by the fact that he stalemated Superman. A character's lowest showings shouldn't even matter, to be honest.
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