Rules
Morals off
Reason
Supes is tired of the Gladiator and his strong Smelling Styling Gel
Icon is tired of Beta ray bill always looking like a smiling Jackass and want to wipe the smile off Bills face
Location
Any where the fight takes them
ICON & SUPERMAN VS Gladiator and BetaRay Bill
"icon and supe take this one. "
@Nefarious said:
"Team 1 wins. "
They lose BRB with Stormbreaker is too versitle for them and Gladiator is a perfect match for Supes.
" Gladiator = Superman. It is pretty much BRB vs. Icon. "Since when is Gladiator equal to Superman, lol? Are you kidding me?
Alright then. Show me strenght feats of Gladiator. I'll give you feets of Superman who could simply KO Gladiator in a punch.
Here's one :
" @czarny_samael said:Lol he will. He will brings some vacant scans with a huge dosis of interpretation "like Gladiator crashes a Planet". He argues only to keep his own dream a life.
Alright then. Show me strenght feats of Gladiator.
What feats does Icon has?
" @ShadowHuntR said:" @czarny_samael said:Lol he will. He will brings some vacant scans with a huge dosis of interpretation "like Gladiator crashes a Planet". He argues only to keep his own dream a life.What feats does Icon has? "
Alright then. Show me strenght feats of Gladiator.
Your words means nothing, since Gladiator for example fought with Thor, Quasar and Surfer before. But Your words never meant anything, anyway.
Gladiator's feats:
Telescopic vision and planet busting:
Flying through Red Giant Star without any scratch:
Taking full power of half-solar-system busting explosion:
Planet busting level strength confirmed again:
Nanosecond speed reaction (there is no better way to show it):
" @Funcake said:My words only describe your acting. And like I´ve sad first scan isn´t a planet, second cames from a time period where writer does not realy have a clue what they are realy write about (like nova explosions, nano sec, omnipotence etc) because a explosion like a nova like red said would have more results than only a soud or a visual effect. Third scan: also been done because Hyperion never near Supermans lvl and Glads had problems to fight him the hole time. That means for me Glads has to be more powerful than Hyperion and that means bad writing." @ShadowHuntR said:" @czarny_samael said:Lol he will. He will brings some vacant scans with a huge dosis of interpretation "like Gladiator crashes a Planet". He argues only to keep his own dream a life.What feats does Icon has? "
Alright then. Show me strenght feats of Gladiator.
Your words means nothing, since Gladiator for example fought with Thor, Quasar and Surfer before. But Your words never meant anything, anyway.
"
"1.Intresting... Since Thor as Surfer were and are able to make crazy powerfull things. So, no You're not right.
My words only describe your acting. And like I´ve sad first scan isn´t a planet, second cames from a time period where writer does not realy have a clue what they are realy write about (like nova explosions, nano sec, omnipotence etc) because a explosion like a nova like red said would have more results than only a soud or a visual effect. Third scan: also been done because Hyperion never near Supermans lvl and Glads had problems to fight him the hole time. That means for me Glads has to be more powerful than Hyperion and that means bad writing. "
2.Gladiator blocked almost whole explosion.
3.Again - wrong. Hyperions similar to that and this one were fighting with: Gladiator, Thor, Quasar, Photon, etc. So what, it was always bad writing?
And there is no better prove for reaction speed than narration. Pure and simple. :)
" "This feat is unquantifiable. Eternity is a measurement of time, not weight (and time is abstract, it's not tangible).
You do know that in term of Invulnerability, Superman has the edge over Gladiator, right? Superman while weakened by red sun radiation took a blast equal to 50 Supernovas. Not even Thor has something above that." @Funcake said:
"1.Intresting... Since Thor as Surfer were and are able to make crazy powerfull things. So, no You're not right.2.Gladiator blocked almost whole explosion. 3.Again - wrong. Hyperions similar to that and this one were fighting with: Gladiator, Thor, Quasar, Photon, etc. So what, it was always bad writing?And there is no better prove for reaction speed than narration. Pure and simple. :) "
My words only describe your acting. And like I´ve sad first scan isn´t a planet, second cames from a time period where writer does not realy have a clue what they are realy write about (like nova explosions, nano sec, omnipotence etc) because a explosion like a nova like red said would have more results than only a soud or a visual effect. Third scan: also been done because Hyperion never near Supermans lvl and Glads had problems to fight him the hole time. That means for me Glads has to be more powerful than Hyperion and that means bad writing. "
You do know that in the scans you showed me, there is not even one above the scans I posted, right? I don't see Gladiator moving something like Mageddon who's as big as Jupiter OR slowing down something as heavy as Eternity.
Let me bring more. Oh and by the way, Superman is much more faster. Should I add that Superman still has his abilities to manipulate electricity (Blue Superman)?
No, he doesn't. Superman hasn't been Blue Superman in years, so he no longer retains his energy manipulation abilities. That Blue Superman scan is quite old. Over ten years old, to be exact."Should I add that Superman still has his abilities to manipulate electricity (Blue Superman)."
The scan with Captain Marvel E-5 and Superman holding that 'thing' is also unquantifiable. Superman said that it was an abstract infinite intelligence. It has no weight.
The scan of Superman splitting the moon off Saturn in half doesn't say much, other than the fact that his durable enough to collide with celestial bodies and come out fine. It was in Lex Special 2000. Superman was already in outer space before he split that moon in two. On the previous page, he was seen from the Hubble Telescope, smashing through a trail of ice in space. Just saying this, in case you posted the scan as a speed feat.
The scan of Superman using a harness to pull the Earth is impressive, but it could be argued that Hal Jordan was pulling it, also, even with the harness he provided. This is all because Superman said to Hal, "add your power to mine."
The scan of Superman being trapped inside of a black hole and attempting light speed isn't the best example to use in comparison to Gladiator moving 100x the speed of light. If you compare both scans, Gladiator is still moving one-hundred times faster than Superman is
I will answer to scans that weren't already answered by Static Shock.
1.DS is good, but he doesn't have as good strength feats as Superman.
2.Star Masters already stopped small Black Hole, it is much easier to block than the real one.
3.Any speedster can phase. Look on that:
4.Isn't Superman inside Maggedon?
5.I've didn't say that Gladiator would win with Superman, but that he will stalemate with him. Superman never destroyed a planet and no narrator ever said in narration that his actions are good enough to destroy a planet. If they ever would, You or others would already posted. Which means that Supe has better pulling feats, but Gladiator has better punching feats. In fights "punching-feats" are more usefull, but guess what? I am still saying that they are equal in this, because thier feats are in the same class. Both showed planet-level strength. As showed Thor. Thanks to clear strength contest, we know that Hercules (Marvel), BRB (Marvel), Hyperion (Marvel), Cap. Marvel (DC) or Black Adam (DC) are perfeclty equal to Supe, Gladiator and Thor. Martian Manhunter probalby too, but IDK for sure.
So it shouldn't be a factor in their battles. They don't have to have copy of other feats to be in the same level.
That is why I don't see big difference between them to say that one can win with another.
Look for other stats:
I.Ice Breath - both have it and both have counter for that (HV)
II.Both HV's were compared to heart of stars more than one time. So it also can't be a factor.
III.Reaction speed. Both have nanosecond speed reaction. Superman was thinking about it, while Gladiator had clear objective narration confirming that. Some people are saying that thoughts aren't enough. But we both know that reaction speed is hard to show, that is why I belive that Superman, Surfer, Wonder Woman and Thor (only 1/3 of that out of morals, but still) or Martian Manhunter has it.
IV.Durability. Both survived in heart of stars, nova explosion, both took punches from other planet busters, both survived other big explosions, etc. Their best feats in this are similar.
So I compared probably all powers and stats that can be used here (that is why I don't compare travel speed or TP defence) and in all they are in the same class. That is why I don't see a winner between them.
Besides, if we see a team vs. team battle, we often say that Blue Marvel will hold Sentry or that Hal Jordan will hold Cap. Marvel. And we know that there are big difference between their power sets. But we know that they are in similar class of power, so their fight aren't a factor in whole team's battle.
So here we clearly have Icon vs. BRB.
" @czarny_samael: gladiator has ice breathe? "Yes, he used it against Thor or Thor Girl once, IDK against which one (with succes of course).
" @czarny_samael: i have seriously never seen him use it outside of using other things to assist for it with his super breathe but do you have the scan of him using ice breathe naturally? "He used water that was in something in that fight, I am not saying he didn't, but he still froze this water on one of Thor-beings (even if this was Thor Girl, it was Pre-depowered Thor Girl).
You do know that in the scans you showed me, there is not even one above the scans I posted, right? I don't see Gladiator moving something like Mageddon who's as big as Jupiter OR slowing down something as heavy as Eternity.
"
First of all Supes never took a blast equal to 50 supernovas. His biggest durability feat is enduring the Nova explosion caused by Brainiac (and he was koed in the proces). Czarny_samael posted a scan which confirms that Gladiator endured and absorbed explosion of almost Nova proportion -and he wasn't koed. So ther feats are pretty much equal.
For Eternity part -please stop over-hyping a failed atempt of Supes and WW to hold the falling Spectre (they failed so that can't be consider as a feat)
Second
Scan of so called Omniversal saving is irrelevent and it's a bull. That's because:
- it has nothing to do with topic
- they gave him a frequanecy on which he should vibrate to push back the phantom planet (he didn't do it on his own)
- it was about of destruction of Earth by collliding with another planet and not of destruction of reality - so omniversal destruction is a MAJOR WRITER ERROR (he disputed what he stated in previous panel)
- DC doens't have an omniverse - that's the biggest error writer made
Third
Miniature black holes collapse almost at the same time as they are created. And it was stated that it can produce the disaster of first magnitude - and first magnitude stands for ?
Fourth
Saturn's moon feat. Well we only see a major rift on a moon's surface. We even don't know if it is destroyed. And as a matter of fact Supes was flying FTL (4 minutes to Saturn) and he used an enhanced IMP - infinite weight slaming at light speed (in this case FTL), due to relativistic law, into an object of finite mass (small planetary moon)
Gladiator has far better feat than this. I'm refering to planet busting with 3 punches. Supes doesn't have such feat. There isn't evidence to support the fact tha Supes can bust planet in 1 - 3 punches.
Anyway he has some statements of being able to do it. But if we use statement's for Supes than we will use statement's for Gladiator. And his statement's say that he is able to:
- move a planet on his own (Supes doens't have a solo planetary moving but he has a Maggedon mowing which is better)
- colapse a star with his bare hands (better than Maggedon feat)
- has a near infinite strength
So if we go by statement or clear feats the outcome is the same STEALMATE.
And I alos forgot to mention that Supes HV was stated to be as hot as a stars, while Glad's HV was stated to be hotter than a stars.
" @ShadowHuntR:I don't see it as a facotr anyway... Too small diference, as in othrer areas.
And I alos forgot to mention that Supes HV was stated to be as hot as a stars, while Glad's HV was stated to be hotter than a stars.
"
" Saturn's moon feat. Well we only see a major rift on a moon's surface. We even don't know if it is destroyed. And as a matter of fact Supes was flying FTL (4 minutes to Saturn) and he used an enhanced IMP - infinite weight slaming at light speed (in this case FTL), due to relativistic law, into an object of finite mass (small planetary moon)There's not enough evidence to prove that he was moving faster than light there. Superman was already in outer space smashing up something else before he smashed through that moon. He just so happened to take his anger out on that moon 4 minutes later. Problem is, we have no idea how far out in space Superman is before heading towards Saturn. As far as smashing moons goes, Superman smashed a shadow duplicate of Earth's moon in JLA years later by going just under light speed, as confirmed by Batman. Supergirl did the same thing in the Legion of Superheroes, smashing up a moon by moving 99.8% of light speed. FTL speed isn't required to smash up celestial bodies.
I love it when people show gladiator top feats that was performed decades ago, yet only to prove they are still inferior to superman recent years top feats.
"@TheFallenOne said:" Saturn's moon feat. Well we only see a major rift on a moon's surface. We even don't know if it is destroyed. And as a matter of fact Supes was flying FTL (4 minutes to Saturn) and he used an enhanced IMP - infinite weight slaming at light speed (in this case FTL), due to relativistic law, into an object of finite mass (small planetary moon)There's not enough evidence to prove that he was moving faster than light there. Superman was already in outer space smashing up something else before he smashed through that moon. He just so happened to take his anger out on that moon 4 minutes later. Problem is, we have no idea how far out in space Superman is before heading towards Saturn. As far as smashing moons goes, Superman smashed a shadow duplicate of Earth's moon in JLA years later by going just under light speed, as confirmed by Batman. Supergirl did the same thing in the Legion of Superheroes, smashing up a moon by moving 99.8% of light speed. FTL speed isn't required to smash up celestial bodies.
"
Saturn's semi major axis is 1 433 449 370 km. Light speed is 299 792km/s. Earth's semi major axis is 149 598 261 km. Now in this scenario we will asume that Saturn and Earth ar at the distance of 1433 449 370 - 149 598 261 = 1 283 851 109 km (orbit's are ecliptical so at the some time Earth would be closer than this and at the other time furthere). Anyway light from Earth to Saturn needs 4282 s or 1.19 hours to reach. As far as a remember he was on Earth when he heard that Lex became a president. And he came into outer space smashing (close to Earth) and than after 4 minutes to Saturn.
and with going light speed object's mass becomes infinite (so that's how we have an IMP) and also even with 99.99999% of light speed or 99.8% object will have a tromendous relativistic kinetic energy-
it's mass would also increase drasticly and we will have some sort of quazi IMP.
I stated that in case of FTL it would be enhanced IMP because with aplaying of pure logic it would make sanse that in case of FTL kinetic energy would be greater than in case of light speed. Anyway we can't know that for sure since laws of physics permit us to even go light speed not to mention FTL.
But one thing is certain bullrushing into an object with almost light speed, light speed and FTL enables you to destroy it a lot easier than by punching it while standing on surface.
"Your math problem is irrelevant. Superman WAS NOT on Earth before he flew toward Saturn. He was already in outer space, as seen by the Hubble Telescope, smashing up a comet. On that same page, it wasn't even stated that he was near Earth. He was out there in space, but we had no clue where he was coming from. He wasn't coming from Earth when he split through that moon. If you had actually read the book, you would know this.Saturn's semi major axis is 1 433 449 370 km. Light speed is 299 792km/s. Earth's semi major axis is 149 598 261 km. Now in this scenario we will asume that Saturn and Earth ar at the distance of 1433 449 370 - 149 598 261 = 1 283 851 109 km (orbit's are ecliptical so at the some time Earth would be closer than this and at the other time furthere). Anyway light from Earth to Saturn needs 4282 s or 1.19 hours to reach. As far as a remember he was on Earth when he heard that Lex became a president. And he came into outer space smashing (close to Earth) and than after 4 minutes to Saturn.
"
I see this battle went to a gladiator vs Supes again . I remember DR tyrinaccal/super deamon and me battling this out. This is the out come Gladiator fall behind. Way far strength speed / basically everything he cannot defeat a serious superman no day even with his confidence Maxxxxx. Gladiator is not in league with superman no day. Phase alone make superman a cheat code. Yes you taught he could only do it on the ground. Superman feats is way greater than gladiators feats of strength and speed. So no matter what method gladiator loses.
No i didnt forget ICON at all. he is no joke. IMO Gladiator doesn't have much Chance against him either
" Why is everyone forgetting Icon who is at the same level as Supes? "He's at the same level, but a little under Superman's full strength (confirmed by McDuffie). But, since they fought to a standstill, the margin of difference is insignificant.
No, it ends as their win. Gladiator is as good as Superman in everything." @czarny_samael: I see this battle went to a gladiator vs Supes again . I remember DR tyrinaccal/super deamon and me battling this out. This is the out come Gladiator fall behind. Way far strength speed / basically everything he cannot defeat a serious superman no day even with his confidence Maxxxxx. Gladiator is not in league with superman no day. Phase alone make superman a cheat code. Yes you taught he could only do it on the ground. Superman feats is way greater than gladiators feats of strength and speed. So no matter what method gladiator loses. "
As I've said before:
5.I've didn't say that Gladiator would win with Superman, but that he will stalemate with him. Superman never destroyed a planet and no narrator ever said in narration that his actions are good enough to destroy a planet. If they ever would, You or others would already posted. Which means that Supe has better pulling feats, but Gladiator has better punching feats. In fights "punching-feats" are more usefull, but guess what? I am still saying that they are equal in this, because thier feats are in the same class. Both showed planet-level strength. As showed Thor. Thanks to clear strength contest, we know that Hercules (Marvel), BRB (Marvel), Hyperion (Marvel), Cap. Marvel (DC) or Black Adam (DC) are perfeclty equal to Supe, Gladiator and Thor. Martian Manhunter probalby too, but IDK for sure.
So it shouldn't be a factor in their battles. They don't have to have copy of other feats to be in the same level.
That is why I don't see big difference between them to say that one can win with another.
Look for other stats:
I.Ice Breath - both have it and both have counter for that (HV)
II.Both HV's were compared to heart of stars more than one time. So it also can't be a factor.
III.Reaction speed. Both have nanosecond speed reaction. Superman was thinking about it, while Gladiator had clear objective narration confirming that. Some people are saying that thoughts aren't enough. But we both know that reaction speed is hard to show, that is why I belive that Superman, Surfer, Wonder Woman and Thor (only 1/3 of that out of morals, but still) or Martian Manhunter has it.
IV.Durability. Both survived in heart of stars, nova explosion, both took punches from other planet busters, both survived other big explosions, etc. Their best feats in this are similar.
So I compared probably all powers and stats that can be used here (that is why I don't compare travel speed or TP defence) and in all they are in the same class. That is why I don't see a winner between them.
1. Only if you believe in horrible bad writing like the majority of your posted scans. 2. lol You are kidding me right?! This is not Dragonball. Absorbing, de- or reflecting to a energie attack at this lvl would be ok but not blocking. So your durality proof fails badly because WIS. 3. Nobody of them is on Supermans lvl on combat speed, strenght, durality. In general are some of the slightly more powerful than Superman like Thor and his Miljornir but that means nothing because its done many times in Supes favor. I dont realy know how credible Marvell Database is but Hyperion (mainstream) overall far below Kallark." @Funcake said:
1.Intresting... Since Thor as Surfer were and are able to make crazy powerfull things. So, no You're not right.2.Gladiator blocked almost whole explosion. 3.Again - wrong. Hyperions similar to that and this one were fighting with: Gladiator, Thor, Quasar, Photon, etc. So what, it was always bad writing?And there is no better prove for reaction speed than narration. Pure and simple. :) ""
My words only describe your acting. And like I´ve sad first scan isn´t a planet, second cames from a time period where writer does not realy have a clue what they are realy write about (like nova explosions, nano sec, omnipotence etc) because a explosion like a nova like red said would have more results than only a soud or a visual effect. Third scan: also been done because Hyperion never near Supermans lvl and Glads had problems to fight him the hole time. That means for me Glads has to be more powerful than Hyperion and that means bad writing. "
So if Icon on Supes lvl than Team one after a good fight.
1.You're denying reality... It was writen - it is cannon - it counts. If, no then NOTHING counts and we can't prove anything about any hero. Simple, YOu take all or nothing. If You're trying to choose from which comics You takes sometihng, You're a hypocrite. Did You've seen me, denying the fact that Superman has nanosecond speed reaction, where there is only one instance about it?
2.He stopped it, I don't see what other things matters, since he wasn't boosted at the moment.
3.All of them are in Superman level. Actually Thor, Quasar and probably Photon will stomp Superman. Thor by BFR, Infinity Vortex or drainning. Quasar, by drainning or taking to Quantum Zone and Photon by BFR and energy manipulation.
4.Marvel database is pretty good when it comes to name apperances, power level of street levels and showing examples of powers that were used by heroes. But when it comes to big guns and their powers... In their data, Sentry and Thor have mm, while Void doesn't. And I've checked the comic in which Thor "showed" mm and I know that he didn't.
Beside, I've didn't say which team wins, becaue IDK Icon.
He's never displayed it, actually.... In the scan, Superman states that he needs a nanosecond to get from point A to point B, while holding a baby in his grasp. It's implying that he needs to move at a certain speed within a nanosecond, not that he's able to think, operate and react in nanoseconds. People have a tendency to over-exaggerate Superman showings."denying the fact that Superman has nanosecond speed reaction, where there is only one instance about it?
@Funcake
said:Really?1. Only if you believe in horrible bad writing like the majority of your posted scans. 2. lol You are kidding me right?! This is not Dragonball. Absorbing, de- or reflecting to a energie attack at this lvl would be ok but not blocking. So your durality proof fails badly because WIS.
Czarny just showed you evidence of Gladiator being on par or close to Superman (all of which are valid showings that you haven't disputed with anything from Superman), and you're dismissing them, yet you haven't even posted anything yourself? How does that work? Also, if you read the scans in which Gladiator survives that explosion, Reed states that the explosion would have taken out half of the solar-system, unless it was being deliberately contained. That means that planets from Pluto up to Mars would have been leveled completely if the blast had not been contained or something. This explains why there are no results, as you claimed there should have been.
" @czarny_samael said:I know what You're saying, but IIRC he succeded. Surfer and Quasar have done something similar... Actually I recall only Gladiator and Hyperion fight with nanoseocnd and Flash rescuing people from some building with picosecond speed reaction.He's never displayed it, actually.... In the scan, Superman states that he needs a nanosecond to get from point A to point B, while holding a baby in his grasp. It's implying that he needs to move at a certain a nanosecond, not that he's able to think, operate and react in nanoseconds. People have a tendency to over-exaggerate Superman showings.""denying the fact that Superman has nanosecond speed reaction, where there is only one instance about it?
I am trying to say that even if Superman only said sometihng like that, I belive to him because speed is hard to show in comics. The same with Warlock's words about Thor and Batman's about WW.
But since all these people have similar reaction speed, I belive that it isn't a factor in battles.
" 1.You're denying reality... It was writen - it is cannon - it counts. If, no then NOTHING counts and we can't prove anything about any hero. Simple, YOu take all or nothing. If You're trying to choose from which comics You takes sometihng, You're a hypocrite. Did You've seen me, denying the fact that Superman has nanosecond speed reaction, where there is only one instance about it?2.He stopped it, I don't see what other things matters, since he wasn't boosted at the moment.3.All of them are in Superman level. Actually Thor, Quasar and probably Photon will stomp Superman. Thor by BFR, Infinity Vortex or drainning. Quasar, by drainning or taking to Quantum Zone and Photon by BFR and energy manipulation. 4.Marvel database is pretty good when it comes to name apperances, power level of street levels and showing examples of powers that were used by heroes. But when it comes to big guns and their powers... In their data, Sentry and Thor have mm, while Void doesn't. And I've checked the comic in which Thor "showed" mm and I know that he didn't. Beside, I've didn't say which team wins, becaue IDK Icon. "1. WIS is not credible like the most of your statements. When you see Superman scan with WIS than you can sure critisize them. But how you just ignore them. Has Supermans nanosec feat WIS for you?! Who is denying reality here?! Someone who ignore facts and comes out with abstrusely arguments like you. It doesn´t need to call me a hypocrite because you fails to proofe anything here its your own indication you´ve got from users here.
2.Yes he took some blast but nowhere near a Nova explosion because WIS.
3. Sure altogether would stomp him lol. But one on one it will be hard to drain something what you cant see. Beside doubtful someone of them would know about Supermans solarabsorbing skill.
4. Yes pick something you want to have. Your statements are not credible because of your indication see above at # 1.
" I know what You're saying, but IIRC he succeded. Surfer and Quasar have done something similar...Superman did succeed, but it's not a reaction time showing. You posted a scan of Gladiator fighting at those speeds, so a scan of Superman flying at those speeds doesn't compare. I don't know about Quasar, but the reaction time feats I've seen from Surfer were actually his ability to react in nanoseconds, as opposed to the Superman showing in question. Superman has many showings of fighting and/or operating at superhuman speeds, but whether or not it's at nanoseconds is left vague because it's never stated that he is moving that fast.
Actually I recall only Gladiator and Hyperion fight with nanoseocnd and Flash rescuing people from some building with picosecond speed reaction. "Yes, but unlike Superman, there are actual figures of speed listed in their showings. Flash was once able to fight Zoom at speeds that made time seem like it stopped, and they had traveled 1000 miles for every punch they threw. At the same time, they had only fought well within a second and had already circled the Earth a dozen times. That's a better example of battle speed for Flash (although it required stealing Jesse Quick's amped up speed to do it).
I am trying to say that even if Superman only said sometihng like that, I belive to him because speed is hard to show in comics.I believe him, too. But, the showing has no comparison to Gladiator's battle speed.
The same with Warlock's words about Thor and Batman's about WW.Batman agreed with Wonder Woman, stating that she reacts faster than Superman in a physical fight. It makes sense. However, her reflexes are attributed to muscle memory, meaning that her actions in a fight are instinctive (due to her lifetime of martial arts training). All this tells me is that Wonder Woman is a more instinctive fighter than Superman is. But, initially, the level of reaction time between the both of them should be the same overall.
" "1.WIS? In that way, if You don't like some heroes, You can say that all thier feats from some writers doesn't count. But You know... Most of Thor's, Glad's and Surfer's best feats comes from Stan Lee... Now, it is a news that WIS belongs to Stan... ;)
1. WIS is not credible like the most of your statements. When you see Superman scan with WIS than you can sure critisize them. But how you just ignore them. Has Supermans nanosec feat WIS for you?! Who is denying reality here?! Someone who ignore facts and comes out with abstrusely arguments like you. It doesn´t need to call me a hypocrite because you fails to proofe anything here its your own indication you´ve got from users here. 2.Yes he took some blast but nowhere near a Nova explosion because WIS. 3. Sure altogether would stomp him lol. But one on one it will be hard to drain something what you cant see. Beside doubtful someone of them would know about Supermans solarabsorbing skill. 4. Yes pick something you want to have. Your statements are not credible because of your indication see above at # 1. "
2.So You're chnging Your tactic? Hahahaha...
3.Each of them one on one. All of them out of morals can do it. In morlas it is even easier, since Supe also ins't the one who starts with speedblitzing.
@Static Shock said:
" @czarny_samael said:" I know what You're saying, but IIRC he succeded. Surfer and Quasar have done something similar...Superman did succeed, but it's not a reaction time showing. You posted a scan of Gladiator fighting at those speeds, so a scan of Superman flying at those speeds doesn't compare. I don't know about Quasar, but the reaction time feats I've seen from Surfer were actually his ability to react in nanoseconds, as opposed to the Superman showing in question. Superman has many showings of fighting and/or operating at superhuman speeds, but whether or not it's at nanoseconds is left vague because it's never stated that he is moving that fast.@czarny_samael said:Actually I recall only Gladiator and Hyperion fight with nanoseocnd and Flash rescuing people from some building with picosecond speed reaction. "Yes, but unlike Superman, there are actual figures of speed listed in their showings. Flash was once able to fight Zoom at speeds that made time seem like it stopped, and they had traveled 1000 miles for every punch they threw. At the same time, they had only fought well within a second and had already circled the Earth a dozen times. That's a better example of battle speed for Flash (although it required stealing Jesse Quick's amped up speed to do it).@czarny_samael said:I am trying to say that even if Superman only said sometihng like that, I belive to him because speed is hard to show in comics.I believe him, too. But, the showing has no comparison to Gladiator's battle speed.@czarny_samael said:"The same with Warlock's words about Thor and Batman's about WW.Batman agreed with Wonder Woman, stating that she reacts faster than Superman in a physical fight. It makes sense. However, her reflexes are attributed to muscle memory, meaning that her actions in a fight are instinctive (due to her lifetime of martial arts training). All this tells me is that Wonder Woman is a more instinctive fighter than Superman is. But, initially, the level of reaction time between the both of them should be the same overall.
1.But since he can think that he needs nanosecond more, it seems that he already spend part of this time to think about it.
2.I know, but I am going by logic, that speed is hard to show in comics. But IMO, yes, way of showing reaction speed Glad's, Flash's and Thor (with microsecond, not with Warlock) are the best ones.
3.I see Your point.
4.You have a point, but in battle with any of them, I don't consider reaction speed as a factor if they are in opposite teams.
" @TheFallenOne said:Hahaha nice one"Your math problem is irrelevant. Superman WAS NOT on Earth before he flew toward Saturn. He was already in outer space, as seen by the Hubble Telescope, smashing up a comet. On that same page, it wasn't even stated that he was near Earth. He was out there in space, but we had no clue where he was coming from. He wasn't coming from Earth when he split through that moon. If you had actually read the book, you would know this.Saturn's semi major axis is 1 433 449 370 km. Light speed is 299 792km/s. Earth's semi major axis is 149 598 261 km. Now in this scenario we will asume that Saturn and Earth ar at the distance of 1433 449 370 - 149 598 261 = 1 283 851 109 km (orbit's are ecliptical so at the some time Earth would be closer than this and at the other time furthere). Anyway light from Earth to Saturn needs 4282 s or 1.19 hours to reach. As far as a remember he was on Earth when he heard that Lex became a president. And he came into outer space smashing (close to Earth) and than after 4 minutes to Saturn.
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