#1 Posted by ShadowPro (1808 posts) - - Show Bio

Kurosaki Ichigo vs Raphael

first round, ralph current vs ichigo at the end of his fight with Azien ie after losing his powers, without prep, ralph with his standard weapons and ichigo with a normal katana

Second, current ichigo without powers, one hour of physical and mental prep, ralph with the same weapons

third the same ichigo but rapha 3D movie of 2007, one hour of mental and physical prep

fight in a dojo in character, vic by ko or summision

#2 Edited by Batman242 (4862 posts) - - Show Bio

is this for real?

#3 Posted by ShadowPro (1808 posts) - - Show Bio

is this for real?

quite real my friend

I say raphael in every round

#4 Posted by randumo24 (4654 posts) - - Show Bio

So, Ichigo is just a normal human in all of these scenarios?

#5 Posted by CerberusPrime3k (950 posts) - - Show Bio

#6 Posted by NeonGameWave (8970 posts) - - Show Bio

Ichigo all Rounds.

#7 Posted by ShadowPro (1808 posts) - - Show Bio

So, Ichigo is just a normal human in all of these scenarios?

exactly, this is to test his fighting skills only, so no power applied

#8 Edited by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (11057 posts) - - Show Bio

I personally don't think Ichigo is that good of a fighter without his Shinigami/hollow abilities.

#9 Edited by Dredeuced (5833 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_legendary_supersaiyan_hulk said:

I personally don't think Ichigo is that good of a fighter without his Shinigami/hollow abilities.

He still has his super enhanced reflexes. The world moves in slow motion to him from his training. He mentioned it while fighting some thugs.

#10 Edited by ShadowPro (1808 posts) - - Show Bio

He still has his super enhanced reflexes. The world moves in slow motion to him from his training. He mentioned it while fighting some thugs.

he said that his training stayed with him, but that doesn't mean that he has enhanced reflex, he is barely a peak human, only the fighting techniques he learned stayed with him, there is a difference

and even though it would only be a little help for ichigo, sice raph's reflexes help him to dodge laser beams

#11 Posted by Dredeuced (5833 posts) - - Show Bio

@shadowpro: Nah, he quite clearly states the some of the only proof that he has of his shinigami training is that his reflexes are still enhanced:

#12 Posted by GhostRider2 (3571 posts) - - Show Bio

Ichigo still wins.

#13 Posted by Simon_the_digger (3347 posts) - - Show Bio
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#15 Edited by ShadowPro (1808 posts) - - Show Bio

@dredeuced said:

@shadowpro: Nah, he quite clearly states the some of the only proof that he has of his shinigami training is that his reflexes are still enhanced:

these scan didn't say anything about being super human or anyting, only that thy're honed

Ichigo still wins.

only if raph is sleeping and drunk, otherwise, I can't see that happening

#16 Posted by UltimateHero0406 (2171 posts) - - Show Bio

Ichigo could win. I don't know why everyone is saying Raph stomps. Even without his powers, Ichigo can drop a bunch of guys without much of a problem.

Bleach episode 344

#17 Edited by ShadowPro (1808 posts) - - Show Bio

@ultimatehero0406 said:

Ichigo could win. I don't know why everyone is saying Raph stomps. Even without his powers, Ichigo can drop a bunch of guys without much of a problem.

Bleach episode 344

something that raph does with less offort

but if you want a reason why, ell, there is the fact that he has been trained in the art of ninjust pretty much his entire life, and he is a master martial artist while ichigo only knows karate and he probably is not even a black belt, and he wins all of his fights due to his powers

#18 Posted by NightwingX (124 posts) - - Show Bio

Ichigo

#19 Posted by ShadowPro (1808 posts) - - Show Bio
#20 Posted by UltimateHero0406 (2171 posts) - - Show Bio

@shadowpro: My point is, this in not a stomp because Ichigo has skills in h2h and basic combat. Plus he has fought a lot worse enemies than Raph ever has or will so that about makes up for the amount of time training. Just because he doesn't have his sword or powers doesn't mean all of that combat experience just drops from his brain. It carries over.

#21 Posted by Pwok21 (2459 posts) - - Show Bio

Ichigo's speed and reactions leftover from when he was a shinigami could deal with Raph.

#22 Posted by New_World_Order (13516 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump.

#23 Posted by dondave (38883 posts) - - Show Bio

Ichigo ftw

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#24 Posted by ShadowPro (1808 posts) - - Show Bio

@shadowpro: My point is, this in not a stomp because Ichigo has skills in h2h and basic combat. Plus he has fought a lot worse enemies than Raph ever has or will so that about makes up for the amount of time training. Just because he doesn't have his sword or powers doesn't mean all of that combat experience just drops from his brain. It carries over.

when has he fought someone worst than raph in a HSH combat with no powers? besided that doesn't makes up for anything

yet not enough, besides there are not too many feats of him beating a decent enemy in a H2H fight with no powers

#25 Edited by UltimateHero0406 (2171 posts) - - Show Bio

@shadowpro: Yes it does. He still had reflexes and battle instinct leftover from fights a lot worse than Raph could ever manage. He said this himself.

And while not too many feats in h2h beside pwning a load of gangsters with weapons without much trouble, he could still fight Raphael.

#26 Posted by ShadowPro (1808 posts) - - Show Bio

@shadowpro: Yes it does. He still had reflexes and battle instinct leftover from fights a lot worse than Raph could ever manage. He said this himself.

And while not too many feats in h2h beside pwning a load of gangsters with weapons without much trouble, he could still fight Raphael.

what makes you think rapha couldn't manage those fights? if he had shinigami powers he could do it with more ease than ichigo

also his experience doesn't work if there are no powers, 'cuz that half his experience, and there is no way he could handle raph

#27 Posted by UltimateHero0406 (2171 posts) - - Show Bio

@shadowpro: Who said I didn't think he could? I don't think your understanding what I'm saying here. I'm saying win or lose, it wouldn't be a stomp in anyone's favor. And yeah, all battle experience carries over. Nothing like that ever just goes away. Like I said, even without his powers or weapons, his strength, reflexes, and fighting skills carried over even after he lost all of his powers.

#28 Edited by isaac_clarke (5479 posts) - - Show Bio

It all depends whether or not on if people post in this thread. Otherwise I say Shadowpro will lose under normal conditions

#29 Edited by ShadowPro (1808 posts) - - Show Bio

@ultimatehero0406 said:

@shadowpro: Who said I didn't think he could? I don't think your understanding what I'm saying here. I'm saying win or lose, it wouldn't be a stomp in anyone's favor. And yeah, all battle experience carries over. Nothing like that ever just goes away. Like I said, even without his powers or weapons, his strength, reflexes, and fighting skills carried over even after he lost all of his powers.

ok, is not an tomp for anyone, but you have to admit that half his experience is only getting new powers

let me be more clear: He gets his powers, he kills some mothers, he get his ass kicked, he gets a power up, he gets his ass kickd again, he gets a new power again, he gets his ass kicked... again, he gets a new power up again, he gets his ass kicked... again and againg and he becomes a mindless hollow, he then he gets a new power up to defeat aizen.... and that pretty much summarises his shinigami fighting experience

and it funny because it's true, that how the series goes all the time

#30 Posted by UltimateHero0406 (2171 posts) - - Show Bio

@shadowpro: I'm aware. But that still doesn't mean he doesn't have experience fighting. And there are many fights he has also fought all the way through: Zanpakuto training Vs Jidanbo Vs Ikkaku Vs Renji round 2 Vs Dordoni Vs Grimmjow round 2 Vs Quilge Fullbring training (which was actually a power downgrade) Vs a thousand fodder characters Vs a million hollows of all levels

Win or loss, as long as he is fighting, he is gaining experience.