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@cadencev2: Considering you're still up for the debate, I could ask you to clear some stuff:

1. Has alucard ever regenerated from anything block+, or nukes like lanza, or attacks that vaporised him (not blood, vaporised)

2. Has he regenerated from soul based attacks?

3. Is there any proof that he can resist soul-based attacks and let them pass through when intangible?

4. Is there anything in alucards arsenal that can harm a guy who can catch mountain+ slashes (thrust, actually) Barehanded without a drop of blood?

Has he ever destroyed anything larger than a mountain in one shot?

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@cadencev2: Considering you're still up for the debate, I could ask you to clear some stuff:

1. Has alucard ever regenerated from anything block+, or nukes like lanza, or attacks that vaporised him (not blood, vaporised)

2. Has he regenerated from soul based attacks?

3. Is there any proof that he can resist soul-based attacks and let them pass through when intangible?

4. Is there anything in alucards arsenal that can harm a guy who can catch mountain+ slashes (thrust, actually) Barehanded without a drop of blood?

Has he ever destroyed anything larger than a mountain in one shot?

1) Yes. Cause all his lives and blood are in his coffin which can be anywhere on the planet. As wee seen with Father Anderson first battle.

2) Yes, this was the whole Shroedinger tactic. It was directed at his souls. He lived through it and became better than ever.

3) Double flawed logic. Is there any proof the attack will attack his souls while Alucard is Intangible? Or the fact Alucard Souls are locked up in his coffin?

4) Slashing mountain have more to due with a magic slash than a physical one period. We already discuss how his "Spiritual" Pressure can negate said Spiritual attacks.So what real physical feats he has verse Titanium cutting attacks?

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@cadencev2:

1. Didn't get it? Scans for regen back from block+ attacks?

2. Ok.. Post something if it isn't too much trouble..

3. Er.. No. You said he faced soul based attacks in some arc before. Could he avoid it by becoming intangible? Scans please?

4. Actually, no. They sharpen their swords with additional spiritual pressure. The stronger you are, the harder you cut (Ichigo later manages to cut him by increasing the spirit pressure, by omg my friends are dying monologue). They have equal physical durability as well:

This is the same ichigo that cut through the multistory building+ menos with one slash in the scan I showed you in other thread. He actually got an upgrade:

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Ichigo hits him hard enough, hard enough that his own hands bleed from the force.. kenpachi isn't even scratched from it.

It doesn't just apply to physical attacks:

They can block it even if it's a 'magic' slash. Ichigo literally wraps his mountain+ slash around his sword to sharpen it:

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..And is sent flying through pillars like nothing.

They can physically block both 'magic' and 'non-magic' slices equivalently.. They're durable enough for that.

Hopefully that cleared what you were trying to say..

Now, has alucard actually shown ANYTHING that can harm ichigo or not? Scans required.. Has he ever cut through a mountain or something?

Btw, the menos and are nothing but thousands of souls Put together.. Ichigo kills them in one slash just fine.

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@cadencev2 said:

@reikai: Sorry, most of what you said plays no role in my questions. Inner mentality means jack crap if he has no Mental Control feats.

Same for destrying a aircraft carrier, who cares? TK can be used in a wide area to ensnare Ichigo. Like the wide use of it on a carrier. Ichigo have any REAL Strength Feats to suggest he can muscle his way out? Thought not.

Dandy Man Cards can indeed hit Ichigo in the vast numbers Alucard can throw them out. Or if he TK/Hypnosis him its over.

Any proof besides fancy Manga words on Ichigo hitting a Intangible being? Any FEATS!?

If Alucard goes intangible this fight never ends, neither of them hit each other.

If Alucard goes level 0 hes immediately f**ked, Ichigo releases a massive Cero and one shots all the fodder, all that would do is make killing Alucard so much easier

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@cadencev2 said:

@reikai: Sorry, most of what you said plays no role in my questions. Inner mentality means jack crap if he has no Mental Control feats.

Same for destrying a aircraft carrier, who cares? TK can be used in a wide area to ensnare Ichigo. Like the wide use of it on a carrier. Ichigo have any REAL Strength Feats to suggest he can muscle his way out? Thought not.

Dandy Man Cards can indeed hit Ichigo in the vast numbers Alucard can throw them out. Or if he TK/Hypnosis him its over.

Any proof besides fancy Manga words on Ichigo hitting a Intangible being? Any FEATS!?

If Alucard goes intangible this fight never ends, neither of them hit each other.

If Alucard goes level 0 hes immediately f**ked, Ichigo releases a massive Cero and one shots all the fodder, all that would do is make killing Alucard so much easier

Alucard NEVER goes Level Zero unless he has too. The whole reason the Major plotted for 60+ years was figure a way to get Alucard go Level Zero. He forced it on Alucard by having 2 entire Armies (Vatican and Nazi Vampires) battle in London. This force Alucard to save the city and wipe out the enemies in one fell swoop, level Zero.

So when people bring up Level Zero, its a highly unlikely situation. Alucard knows he is weakest at Level Zero. Thus why he never uses it till a situation was to vast for him to clean up in any reasonable time.

I also do not understand why Hollow Ichigo would dodge Dandy Mans cards. He is a pure berserker. Berserkers tank attacks. They never think clearly. Look at Wolverine going "Berserk" or any history of warriors with "Berserker" Elements to them. They just tank attacks. If a berserk Hollow Ichigo does the same, its over.

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#56  Edited By PrinceAragorn1

@cadencev2: waiting for the reply about if the cards can cut through mountain+ stuff and other three points.. Till then, hollow ichigo isn't just a berserker. He's actually exceptionally skilled at using techniques, but evil counterparts. He mastered ban kai far better than ichigo did when he learned it, and he uses hollow techniques,(they have names like cero, or sonido etc. lol) far better than cifer.. He is chaotic, but a master fighter none the less..

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@cadencev2:

1. Didn't get it? Scans for regen back from block+ attacks?

Here Alucard reforms after a Delta Class fire and resulting force from a SR-71 travelling at Mach 3 into the Aircraft Carrier! He reforms in the Jet Fuel Fire (Which burns so hot to melt steel with ease, there should be nothing left of Alucards body but ash) and there he is.

Alucard body turns into blood and disappears in the wood. No Blood, no nothing! Bats fly through the window and Alucard reforms. From bats!

You cannot kill him with a mere measly block attack.

2. Ok.. Post something if it isn't too much trouble..

Sure.

Major use Shroedinger ability and soul to merge with Alucard, causing him to lose focus on his Millions of Souls at once!

It failed. Alucard battled it out when he technicly cease to exist and is now Eternal in every sense of the word for it.

3. Er.. No. You said he faced soul based attacks in some arc before. Could he avoid it by becoming intangible? Scans please?

Like I said, double flawed argument. You never showed me Ichigo fighting Intangible beings. I cannot show you Alucard avoiding "Soul Attack" when Intangible.

4. Actually, no. They sharpen their swords with additional spiritual pressure. The stronger you are, the harder you cut (Ichigo later manages to cut him by increasing the spirit pressure, by omg my friends are dying monologue). They have equal physical durability as well:

It doesn't just apply to physical attacks:

Hopefully that cleared what you were trying to say..

So what your saying is Ichigo is more durable than Adamantium? Cuase that seems to be the claim and seems wrong.

Now, has alucard actually shown ANYTHING that can harm ichigo or not? Scans required.. Has he ever cut through a mountain or something?

Sure. Dandy Mans Cards.

1) Dandy Mans Cards slice cars in half.

2) Dandy Mans Cards cut a Depleted Urimnium Anti Tank Shell in half. Also a Hypersonic+ feat on his part.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/may/18/armstrade.kosovo

3) Dandy Man cards dust the very concrete leaving a rubble less crater!

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Alucards hand cuts Dandy Mans Cards in half! If Alucard had a Long enough arm, he could slice a mountain in half with his hands!

1-4) Magic Bullet pierces and rips apart the armor of Soldiers and Choppers with over a hundred strikes without losing Momentum.

5-8) Magic Bullet takes out 6 Mach 2.5 Missile in a split second strike and then all 3 fighters jets.

These are serious feats .

Speeking of the penetrating power of the magic bullet and its clear Hypersonic Speed of taking out super sonic targets in a split second, Alucard catches it with his teeth!

Btw, the menos and are nothing but thousands of souls Put together.. Ichigo kills them in one slash just fine.

Souls together that need to be together. Alucards Souls can seperate and exist in other places of the world. Not the same. Also Menos are pansies from what I seen of them.

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#58  Edited By Pokergeist

@cadencev2: waiting for the reply about if the cards can cut through mountain+ stuff and other three points.. Till then, hollow ichigo isn't just a berserker. He's actually exceptionally skilled at using techniques, but evil counterparts. He mastered ban kai far better than ichigo did when he learned it, and he uses hollow techniques,(they have names like cero, or sonido etc. lol) far better than cifer.. He is chaotic, but a master fighter none the less..

OK. I just keep hearing he is a Berserker, and we all know Berserkers can have skills, but they tank attacks by definition. They fight with no concern to their own health and safety.

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#59  Edited By StrictlyAnime

@cadencev2 said:

@strictlyanime said:

@cadencev2 said:

@reikai: Sorry, most of what you said plays no role in my questions. Inner mentality means jack crap if he has no Mental Control feats.

Same for destrying a aircraft carrier, who cares? TK can be used in a wide area to ensnare Ichigo. Like the wide use of it on a carrier. Ichigo have any REAL Strength Feats to suggest he can muscle his way out? Thought not.

Dandy Man Cards can indeed hit Ichigo in the vast numbers Alucard can throw them out. Or if he TK/Hypnosis him its over.

Any proof besides fancy Manga words on Ichigo hitting a Intangible being? Any FEATS!?

If Alucard goes intangible this fight never ends, neither of them hit each other.

If Alucard goes level 0 hes immediately f**ked, Ichigo releases a massive Cero and one shots all the fodder, all that would do is make killing Alucard so much easier

Alucard NEVER goes Level Zero unless he has too. The whole reason the Major plotted for 60+ years was figure a way to get Alucard go Level Zero. He forced it on Alucard by having 2 entire Armies (Vatican and Nazi Vampires) battle in London. This force Alucard to save the city and wipe out the enemies in one fell swoop, level Zero.

So when people bring up Level Zero, its a highly unlikely situation. Alucard knows he is weakest at Level Zero. Thus why he never uses it till a situation was to vast for him to clean up in any reasonable time.

I also do not understand why Hollow Ichigo would dodge Dandy Mans cards. He is a pure berserker. Berserkers tank attacks. They never think clearly. Look at Wolverine going "Berserk" or any history of warriors with "Berserker" Elements to them. They just tank attacks. If a berserk Hollow Ichigo does the same, its over.

If Alucard isn't going to go Level 0 then why do you keep bring up the Dandy Man. Also forget dodging, Dandy Man's cards wont do a thing, Ichigo caught Ulquiorra's city busting Lanza del Relámpago, and then proceeded to break it in his hands, Even IF The cards could hurt Ichigo all he has to do is Sonido out of the way.

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@cadencev2 said:

@strictlyanime said:

@cadencev2 said:

@reikai: Sorry, most of what you said plays no role in my questions. Inner mentality means jack crap if he has no Mental Control feats.

Same for destrying a aircraft carrier, who cares? TK can be used in a wide area to ensnare Ichigo. Like the wide use of it on a carrier. Ichigo have any REAL Strength Feats to suggest he can muscle his way out? Thought not.

Dandy Man Cards can indeed hit Ichigo in the vast numbers Alucard can throw them out. Or if he TK/Hypnosis him its over.

Any proof besides fancy Manga words on Ichigo hitting a Intangible being? Any FEATS!?

If Alucard goes intangible this fight never ends, neither of them hit each other.

If Alucard goes level 0 hes immediately f**ked, Ichigo releases a massive Cero and one shots all the fodder, all that would do is make killing Alucard so much easier

Alucard NEVER goes Level Zero unless he has too. The whole reason the Major plotted for 60+ years was figure a way to get Alucard go Level Zero. He forced it on Alucard by having 2 entire Armies (Vatican and Nazi Vampires) battle in London. This force Alucard to save the city and wipe out the enemies in one fell swoop, level Zero.

So when people bring up Level Zero, its a highly unlikely situation. Alucard knows he is weakest at Level Zero. Thus why he never uses it till a situation was to vast for him to clean up in any reasonable time.

I also do not understand why Hollow Ichigo would dodge Dandy Mans cards. He is a pure berserker. Berserkers tank attacks. They never think clearly. Look at Wolverine going "Berserk" or any history of warriors with "Berserker" Elements to them. They just tank attacks. If a berserk Hollow Ichigo does the same, its over.

If Alucard isn't going to go Level 0 then why do you keep bring up the Dandy Man. Also forget dodging, Dandy Man's cards wont do a thing, Ichigo caught Ulquiorra's city busting Lanza del Relámpago, Even IF The cards could hurt Ichigo all he has to do is Sonido out of the way.

Because Alucard can summon Familiars (like the Basker Hound) whether Level Zero or not. Even Seras summon Pip to help beat the Captain. You do not need to be level Zero to summon a familiar. Alucard proves this with the Black Dog familiar.

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Both examples of separating a Familiar from himself in Level 1.

Even if Ichgo manage blows on Alucard, all he has to do is reform from whatever blood, shadow, or bats in the world are left. As long as he can go Intangible, he should remain immune to anything for ever.

Also I question Ichigo stamina and energy output as a Hollow. Even Hollows seem to have stamina and energy levels that deplete over time. Alucard can go 30 years with no blood drinking and non stop fighting. Can Ichigo say the same?

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#61  Edited By PrinceAragorn1

@cadencev2:

Still, a fighter plane isn't even near the same level as this:

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From the evidence shown, I don't really see alucard regenerating from even one such attack. Note the distance it covers. And vasto lorde dodges it like nothing. (This is actually movie flashback, I think. The episode showed it much better)

I didn't see him 'ceasing to exist' in the scans.. But it actually sounds more like a technical thing. Not like major hit him with a spell that destroys all his souls at once..

Also, you forgot about the scans of avoiding soul based attacks by going intangible.. I'll still give counter anyway:

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You can actually touch intangible stuff with enough spiritual pressure, like ichigo kicking rukia..

Slicing cars and tank shells.. really? after all that you've seen, how is any of that a threat to even base ichigo?

And you know catching hypersonic stuff is equally meaningless here, at the speeds ichigo fights and tanks attacks..

Honestly, none of the mentioned items is really on a tenth of levels vasto lorde dealt with..

3. As for alucard needing a hand as large as mountain, he doesn't have them. So he isn't cutting ichigo anytime soon..

4. And menos being not-so-cool isn't really the point. If alucard's souls are together, ichigo can kill much more than one in one go. Imagine how many would die with a getsuga..

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@strictlyanime said:

@cadencev2 said:

@strictlyanime said:

@cadencev2 said:

@reikai: Sorry, most of what you said plays no role in my questions. Inner mentality means jack crap if he has no Mental Control feats.

Same for destrying a aircraft carrier, who cares? TK can be used in a wide area to ensnare Ichigo. Like the wide use of it on a carrier. Ichigo have any REAL Strength Feats to suggest he can muscle his way out? Thought not.

Dandy Man Cards can indeed hit Ichigo in the vast numbers Alucard can throw them out. Or if he TK/Hypnosis him its over.

Any proof besides fancy Manga words on Ichigo hitting a Intangible being? Any FEATS!?

If Alucard goes intangible this fight never ends, neither of them hit each other.

If Alucard goes level 0 hes immediately f**ked, Ichigo releases a massive Cero and one shots all the fodder, all that would do is make killing Alucard so much easier

Alucard NEVER goes Level Zero unless he has too. The whole reason the Major plotted for 60+ years was figure a way to get Alucard go Level Zero. He forced it on Alucard by having 2 entire Armies (Vatican and Nazi Vampires) battle in London. This force Alucard to save the city and wipe out the enemies in one fell swoop, level Zero.

So when people bring up Level Zero, its a highly unlikely situation. Alucard knows he is weakest at Level Zero. Thus why he never uses it till a situation was to vast for him to clean up in any reasonable time.

I also do not understand why Hollow Ichigo would dodge Dandy Mans cards. He is a pure berserker. Berserkers tank attacks. They never think clearly. Look at Wolverine going "Berserk" or any history of warriors with "Berserker" Elements to them. They just tank attacks. If a berserk Hollow Ichigo does the same, its over.

If Alucard isn't going to go Level 0 then why do you keep bring up the Dandy Man. Also forget dodging, Dandy Man's cards wont do a thing, Ichigo caught Ulquiorra's city busting Lanza del Relámpago, Even IF The cards could hurt Ichigo all he has to do is Sonido out of the way.

Because Alucard can summon Familiars (like the Basker Hound) whether Level Zero or not. Even Seras summon Pip to help beat the Captain. You do not need to be level Zero to summon a familiar. Alucard proves this with the Black Dog familiar.

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Both examples of separating a Familiar from himself in Level 1.

Even if Ichgo manage blows on Alucard, all he has to do is reform from whatever blood, shadow, or bats in the world are left. As long as he can go Intangible, he should remain immune to anything for ever.

Also I question Ichigo stamina and energy output as a Hollow. Even Hollows seem to have stamina and energy levels that deplete over time. Alucard can go 30 years with no blood drinking and non stop fighting. Can Ichigo say the same?

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I'd say Ichigo's stamina is outrageously high, the coat he gains in his Bankai basically determines how much spiritual energy he has left, He has just a little over half and Unohana states that its still the level of a captain class Soul Reaper.

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He has even less than that here in Vasto Lorde form, and hes still Stomping Ulquiorra Arguably the strongest of the Espada despite his rank as number 4. All Espada are either Captain Level or Above it.

So assuming Ichigo is at fit condition here and has the max amount of spiritual pressure I'd say he could go an insanely long time, long enough to speed blitz through Alucard's souls, he cut through Byakuya's millions of swords, he could definitely take care of Alucard's lives Vasto Lorde Ichigo showed no signs of tiring despite unleashing Massive Cero attacks.

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@strictlyanime: Geez, stop quoting the whole comment, will you? it makes the thread so long..

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@strictlyanime: So the sword size determines energy left? Interesting concept.

I think he kills say 200 souls, Alucard will just remain in the shadows or Intangible. And to kill Alucard (Cost him a soul) requires nothing short of a Head Chop and Heart Stab. Any blitzing otherwise is pointless.

@princearagorn1: That blast was slow as hell. Hypersonic would cover that distant 12 times over.

Lets say Alucard hit by it? So what? 1 soul down, over 3 million to go! He can return from bats flying around for no reason or the very shadows!

So you wise to ignore the text of the scans? Alucard lost himself and had to defeat every soul (Vampire one including) from god knows where to regain his existence. But whatever.

All you proven is Spirits can be touch by Spirtual pressure. How about a guy who clearly manipulates his molecules to be intangible? You still proven nothing and I cannot vice versa.

I think the point is clear he is cutting Ichigo whos physical endurance is no where near Tank Armour.

Okay it is clear you not convincing me and vice versa. So I will agree to disagree. The point is Shroedinger Alucard stomps 100 Ichigos anyway lol.

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@cadencev2: Its not his Tensa Zangetsu that determines it, its his cloak

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The cloak you see determines how much power he has, he was missing over half his cloak while fighting Ulquiorra and had to have been atleast Captain Level probably alot higher.

Also Ichigo can just engage Alucard in normal sword play with no spirit energy based attacks used. Unless I missed something he can do that. Vasto Lorde Ichigo is so Bloodlusted and without Moral he'll just hack and slash until the enemy is gone from his sight. I don't think Vasto Lorde Ichigo will do anything else but Cut and Fire Cero.

Also Alucard can regen from completely nothing? even from bats? I've only seen the OVAs so forgive me if my knowledge is limited, I know a point blank Massive Cero will pretty much obliterate Alucard.

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#66  Edited By Cooldes

@cadencev2: not the sword size, his coat he wears. It's a black coat that reaches all the way down to ankle level. it shows how much energy he has left while in bankai form(as that's when he gets the coat).

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@cadencev2:

Well, faster than anything alucard shows anyway lol.

Now, ichigo can consistently kill hundreds of overlapped souls with one strike in base. A blast of that level is far more powerful than that. A few hits like that, and bye bye alucard..

It's more of a technicality feat than regeneration..He didn't regenerate, he satisfied the condition that If he kills rest of his souls, he will come back. If he's vaporised by a cero, what's he going to do? Kill more souls to come back?

I showed that intangible stuff can be touched with strong spirit pressure. You said the dandy cards will cancel h2's regeneration as it did so to alucard, I didn't say anything. But now you are saying spirits have a different mechanism? lol

Ichigo's durability is nowhere near tank armor? Apparently you haven't been watching anything till now. Base ichigo gets hit by block+ attacks and does nothing. And I already showed you that the spirit attacks are interchangable with physical durability (cifer and kenpachi scans). The version we're using is way above that..

Ichigo is stronger, more durable, faster, with more damage output.

Alucard hasn't even shown ONE attack that could harm someone with base ichigo's durability, nothing that shows he could tag someone like bankai who can fight at mach 100+ at least, Nothing to show he can avoid even one of his destroy-hundreds-souls-at-once slashes, ichigo can do thousands of them as already shown against byakuya. Even base ichigo has repeatedly shown to be way more than what alucard is capable of. The current version is overkill.

I get that alucard is an awesome character, but most people agree ichigo's winning, even you can see it. There is no shame in losing to walking deus ex machina like ichigo.. It actually makes people and you understand your character better to accept it's limits and enjoy them.

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@princearagorn1: Wait, I do believe Ichigo wins, but @cadencev2 has a valid point in that Alucard's stamina is of an entire different playing field in comparison to Hollow Ichigo, and while Ichigo can slash 1000 times in a flash that wont do anything, Alucard only loses 1 Soul per death, and death only comes to him from Decapitation, Headshot, or Stab through the heart. Ichigo still has to kill Alucard 3 million times. I believe Ichigo can do this with is superior speed.

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@cooldes: @strictlyanime: All I see now. So.... if he runs out of energy is he naked?

Alucard limits is shown to be able to reform from a puddle of blood, from Bats that came from outside when his blood disappeared in the floors, and even from Shadows as we see with Level One in his fight vs Luke Valentine and Rip Van Winckle.

So he gets dice to pieces like the 5th time, I see no reason he would not remain intangible or in simply hide his form in all the blood.

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Skip to 1:50 to 2:00. He can just physically hide in a blood splatter! So slicing and dicing all that blood around just means Alucard has all the cover in the world unless the blood is rid of. Thus forcing the Ichigo Hollow to use Spirit Energy.

Also Alucard can regain souls and life by recalling lost blood.

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Skip to 6:15!

So even if you hack and slash 1000 souls away with just the sword, he can reabsorb it all! That was the point he proved here.

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@strictlyanime said:

@princearagorn1: Wait, I do believe Ichigo wins, but @cadencev2 has a valid point in that Alucard's stamina is of an entire different playing field in comparison to Hollow Ichigo, and while Ichigo can slash 1000 times in a flash that wont do anything, Alucard only loses 1 Soul per death, and death only comes to him from Decapitation, Headshot, or Stab through the heart. Ichigo still has to kill Alucard 3 million times. I believe Ichigo can do this with is superior speed.

Actually, ichigo destroys menos with one casual slash.. menos is nothing but hundreds of hollows piled up.. His one casual slash is more than enough to purify hundreds of souls at once. He specializes in souls lol, not to mention he's on an entirely different level than alucard, their rules don't have to apply to him. Someone with good enough spiritual pressure, like stark, finished thousands of souls just by BEING there..

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Now, ichigo can consistently kill hundreds of overlapped souls with one strike in base. A blast of that level is far more powerful than that. A few hits like that, and bye bye alucard..

Alucard is not like that pansie Menso, he is not made of a thousand Souls. He has them in his coffin. >_> You kill one soul per heart stab and head chop. Even then he can reabsorb the blood and regain that soul. Blood and souls are the same thing in Hellsing.

It's more of a technicality feat than regeneration..He didn't regenerate, he satisfied the condition that If he kills rest of his souls, he will come back. If he's vaporised by a cero, what's he going to do? Kill more souls to come back?

Point is it was a brilliant form of attack on his souls. He survived and was stronger. Unless you destroy his soul in his coffin (where they are kept, his coffin is his Keep) then your not soul attacking Alucard.

I showed that intangible stuff can be touched with strong spirit pressure. You said the dandy cards will cancel h2's regeneration as it did so to alucard, I didn't say anything. But now you are saying spirits have a different mechanism? lol

Yeah. Kitty from X-Men has Intagibility, guess she is a ghost! I know Yusuke Uremeshi can attack Spirits with his Spirit Power. Oh look at the neat connetion. Spirit and Spirit Power. Kinda like Ichigo Spirit Pressure touching Spirits? Fail logic man. lol.

Ichigo's durability is nowhere near tank armor? Apparently you haven't been watching anything till now. Base ichigo gets hit by block+ attacks and does nothing. And I already showed you that the spirit attacks are interchangable with physical durability (cifer and kenpachi scans). The version we're using is way above that..

Block attack made of Spirit Power which he blocks with his own. Show me Ichigo durability vs a Hypersonic Anti Tank Bullet. Go ahead. Prove his skin can withstand that....

Ichigo is stronger, more durable, faster, with more damage output.

Alucard is way more versatile, has unlimited health in this case, and will outlast Ichigo by miles.

Alucard hasn't even shown ONE attack that could harm someone with base ichigo's durability, nothing that shows he could tag someone like bankai who can fight at mach 100+ at least, Nothing to show he can avoid even one of his destroy-hundreds-souls-at-once slashes, ichigo can do thousands of them as already shown against byakuya. Even base ichigo has repeatedly shown to be way more than what alucard is capable of. The current version is overkill.

The very fact Alucard cannot tag him is a joke. Show me where Ichigo speed is easily shown to be that fast. All we have for proof I seen is a possible hyperbole comment of a guy saying 500 times the speed of that sound. At least we can gauge Alucards speed by real world speed calcs of bullets, missiles, ect. Your no better than a DBZ fanboy claiming Goku is FTL rather than the more possible Hyper Sonic as feats show.

I get that alucard is an awesome character, but most people agree ichigo's winning, even you can see it. There is no shame in losing to walking deus ex machina like ichigo.. It actually makes people and you understand your character better to accept it's limits and enjoy them.

Many people think Hulk can beat Ghost Rider. All the masses show is bias favoritism to a character who is very popular and think all these false truths of said character like yourself have proven. There is no shame to losing to sense. Ichigo does not have the feats to back half what your saying.

So I guess we will disagree.... again.

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#72  Edited By PrinceAragorn1

@cadencev2: Actually, souls cut by soul reaper's blade are removed from the world, sent to hell/soul society.. He isn't reabsorbing them.

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#73  Edited By StrictlyAnime

Ok, you've proven that speed blitz wont be enough, Got it

You've proven that he can hide in his blood, Got it

Honestly I'm upset with myself for not remembering all this

But I still have one question, What if Ichigo lands a point blank Cero attack and obliterates Alucard, leaves no blood, or any section of his body remaining like it almost did to Ulquiorra, the only reason he made it is because all Espada have Hierro harden skin of Arrancars, Ulquiorra is known to have the hardest version of this and he ended up losing the entire lower half of his body and one of his arms. Alucard's skin is about as durable as a human.

So could Alucard regen from completely nothing, all of his blood obliterated just as the rest of his body.

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#74  Edited By StrictlyAnime

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Some of Ichigo's greatest speed feats. start with 11:35 - 11:50 It was instant!

13:50 - 14:10 hes so fast he leaves multiple after images, claims he could go faster...probably gloating.

Finally 14:50 - 14:55 he cuts through an attack said to contain a million blades.

Vasto Lorde Ichigo should be able to pull all the same feats as they are the same person

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#75  Edited By Pokergeist

@cadencev2: Actually, souls cut by soul reaper's blade are removed from the world, sent to hell/soul society.. He isn't reabsorbing them.

Except that Bleach Physics/Rules. In Hellsing the blood is the soul. So reabsorb blood reabsorb soul.

See how hard it is to argue the concepts between these 2 universes!

Ok, you've proven that speed blitz wont be enough, Got it

You've proven that he can hide in his blood, Got it

Honestly I'm upset with myself for not remembering all this

But I still have one question, What if Ichigo lands a point blank Cero attack and obliterates Alucard, leaves no blood, or any section of his body remaining like it almost did to Ulquiorra, the only reason he made it is because all Espada have Hierro harden skin of Arrancars, Ulquiorra is known to have the hardest version of this and he ended up losing the entire lower half of his body and one of his arms. Alucard's skin is about as durable as a human.

So could Alucard regen from completely nothing, all of his blood obliterated just as the rest of his body.

Yes, as long his Coffin is not Obliterated with him.

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As seen. It was commented that his Court (Souls) live and kept in his Keep (Coffin) and he is the Count. He does not like people messing with his Keep.

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That is where all his blood and souls are kept. That is where Alucard is kept!

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Dont touch his ****ing Coffin!

Anyway Im done. It seems Bleach has different rules than Hellsing, like Souls going to Soul Reaper heaven, but its kept in the blood so really goes nowhere, and such.

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@cadencev2 I guess Alucard wins by stamina? Cause yes I admit Vasto Lorde Ichigo is going to drop eventually.

I have no way of saying Ichigo wins that isn't pure speculation.

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#77  Edited By PrinceAragorn1

@cadencev2:

Alucard is not like that pansie Menso, he is not made of a thousand Souls. He has them in his coffin. >_> You kill one soul per heart stab and head chop. Even then he can reabsorb the blood and regain that soul. Blood and souls are the same thing in Hellsing.

As I already said, souls cut by shinigami blades take the souls to hell/ss. Making reabsorbing out of question. And if blood is same as souls, ichigo vapourises him with a getsuga or cero, finishing the game entirely.

Point is it was a brilliant form of attack on his souls. He survived and was stronger. Unless you destroy his soul in his coffin (where they are kept, his coffin is his Keep) then your not soul attacking Alucard.

You already said his souls were attacked once. Maybe I missed something? What exactly did they do? Did they find his coffin and attack the souls inside, or what?

Yeah. Kitty from X-Men has Intagibility, guess she is a ghost! I know Yusuke Uremeshi can attack Spirits with his Spirit Power. Oh look at the neat connetion. Spirit and Spirit Power. Kinda like Ichigo Spirit Pressure touching Spirits? Fail logic man. lol.

So dandy cards must cancel any kind of regeneration, but spirit pressure can't cancel any kind of intangibility? That's the real fail lol

Block attack made of Spirit Power which he blocks with his own. Show me Ichigo durability vs a Hypersonic Anti Tank Bullet. Go ahead. Prove his skin can withstand that....

Ok. Ichigo's building+ hit didn't even scratch kenpachi, and he wasn't using spirit pressure for the slash. Again, a full getsuga tenshou was blocked by ulquiorra with hand, without ANY kind of spirit technique. I provided both scans earlier, showing that they have enough physical durability to stop the block+ attacks like nothing.. How is a anti-tank bullet doing block+ damage? WHERE are you getting that, exactly?

Alucard is way more versatile, has unlimited health in this case, and will outlast Ichigo by miles.

I agree that alucard is more versatile.. I don't understand his unlimited health mechanism clearly, though..

The very fact Alucard cannot tag him is a joke. Show me where Ichigo speed is easily shown to be that fast. All we have for proof I seen is a possible hyperbole comment of a guy saying 500 times the speed of that sound. At least we can gauge Alucards speed by real world speed calcs of bullets, missiles, ect. Your no better than a DBZ fanboy claiming Goku is FTL rather than the more possible Hyper Sonic as feats show.

We have one scan showing ichigo dodging supposed mach 500 attacks, and other slashing away at least a million blades in under a second. Fairly consistant, eh? And anyway, if you're going to discard the on-panel evidence as hyperbole, and use calc.s instead, you have no right to call others fanboys.

Anyway, show me a panel of hellsing where it says alucard is anywhere near mach 5, hyperbole or not.

Many people think Hulk can beat Ghost Rider. All the masses show is bias favoritism to a character who is very popular and think all these false truths of said character like yourself have proven. There is no shame to losing to sense. Ichigo does not have the feats to back half what your saying.

All masses are biased fanboys but you're right? Yeah ok.. I'm have provided scans for Everything I've said. You're the one denying them without giving literally any reason. I wouldn't mind losing to sense, but you aren't making any..

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@cadencev2 I guess Alucard wins by stamina? Cause yes I admit Vasto Lorde Ichigo is going to drop eventually.

I have no way of saying Ichigo wins that isn't pure speculation.

I dont care much anymore. The rules of the 2 Universes are not compatible with each other for a logical debate.

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@princearagorn1: Eh Im seriously burned out.

I dont care much anymore. The rules of the 2 Universes are not compatible with each other for a logical debate.

Look in any case I think I made very reasonable arguments. Im outy of this one.

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@strictlyanime said:

@cadencev2 I guess Alucard wins by stamina? Cause yes I admit Vasto Lorde Ichigo is going to drop eventually.

I have no way of saying Ichigo wins that isn't pure speculation.

I dont care much anymore. The rules of the 2 Universes are not compatible with each other for a logical debate.

To be honest, if It was luffy, or naruto, I'd have turned in, as they don't have a way around alucard's souls. (Naruto has sealing, actually, but he hasn't used it normally)

But here, ichigo can easily destroy hundreds of souls with one hit, make them disappear, And he can slash thousands of time on-panel. He has about every advantage required to win. So I'm not giving it up.

But as you say you're tired, we can stop here. I rest my case.

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@cadencev2: lol he won't be naked xD it's his cloak, he still wears pants

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@cooldes said:

@cadencev2: lol he won't be naked xD it's his cloak, he still wears pants

Eh, cadence's idea is wayyy funnier..

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So I'm not giving it up.

That´s how i am seeing it

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@ratava said:

@princearagorn1 said:

So I'm not giving it up.

That´s how i am seeing it

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@princearagorn1: yes, shame we saw just a bit of his power.I'm sure he has more power.I dare say he will do good against Aizen.

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@ghostrider2: idk about aizen...

...the guy is troll incarnate

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#88  Edited By Strongarm
The fight will end like this
The fight will end like this

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@strongarm: Yes, Ichigo's ultimate power will be trolling the fans by surrounding the world in complete shadow via his Getsuga Tenshou, effectively beating his enemies off panel and unseen.

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@strongarm: Which he magically stole from Starjun and Komatsu from Toriko. lol

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@the_legendary_supersaiyan_hulk: Komatsu lets ichigo borrow them, after all the orange haired 'strawberry' is a prize ingredient because of the variety inside him and a relatively low capture level

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#97  Edited By Oceanicus

@cadencev2 said:

@reikai: Sorry, most of what you said plays no role in my questions. Inner mentality means jack crap if he has no Mental Control feats.

Same for destrying a aircraft carrier, who cares? TK can be used in a wide area to ensnare Ichigo. Like the wide use of it on a carrier. Ichigo have any REAL Strength Feats to suggest he can muscle his way out? Thought not.

Dandy Man Cards can indeed hit Ichigo in the vast numbers Alucard can throw them out. Or if he TK/Hypnosis him its over.

Any proof besides fancy Manga words on Ichigo hitting a Intangible being? Any FEATS!?

Strength feats? How about stopping a sword mid-swing bare handed? How about throwing Aizen like he was nothing or how he destroyed a cube of gravity itself by pure physical strength?

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@oceanicus: Spirit Pressure is used for all that. Its not Ichigos raw strength.

Also catching a sword in mid swing is a common move.

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@oceanicus: Spirit Pressure is used for all that. Its not Ichigos raw strength.

Also catching a sword in mid swing is a common move.

I heavily doubt this would count as a common move..

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@cadencev2 said:

@oceanicus: Spirit Pressure is used for all that. Its not Ichigos raw strength.

Also catching a sword in mid swing is a common move.

I heavily doubt this would count as a common move..

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Still spirit pressure. :P