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#1 Posted by GhostRider2 (3604 posts) - - Show Bio

This is Vasto Lorde.

they fight in soul society.

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#2 Posted by NeonGameWave (9039 posts) - - Show Bio

@GhostRider2: Which version of Alucard, Schrodinger or pre-Schrodinger?

#3 Posted by GhostRider2 (3604 posts) - - Show Bio

@NeonGameWave: pre schrodinger

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#4 Posted by NeonGameWave (9039 posts) - - Show Bio

@GhostRider2: Ichigo has a good chance of winning, thanks to his raw power and speed.

#5 Posted by Strider92 (16837 posts) - - Show Bio

Going with Alucard. Nothing in the series has been able to hurt him (aside from Helena's Nail Anderson and that was because it was a holy artifact). Despite the difference's in stats Ichigo can't win if he can't hurt him so eventually Alucard wins.

#6 Posted by CosmosTyrant (492 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92: Aren't Bleach Soul reapers sopose to be Angels?

#7 Edited by Strider92 (16837 posts) - - Show Bio

@CosmosTyrant: They're supposed to be Shinigami which I believe translates too Death God however even if they were angels (which they aren't) they haven't demonstrated any form of holy attack its all based round spiritual pressure and kido which seems to be closer to magic or energy manipulation.

#8 Edited by CosmosTyrant (492 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92: But soul reaper by killing a hallow, they purify them so they are able to get to soul society or if there done bad things go to Hell. Isn't that a holy showing?

#9 Posted by kcaz (1371 posts) - - Show Bio

i'll go with alucard since he can only be hurt by powerful holy weapons. normal holy weapons like anderson's blades didn't even have much effect on him

#10 Posted by 5iou5 (4 posts) - - Show Bio

I think that ichigo in vastol lord form would easily Kill alucard because Alucard weapons are not made a spiritual Energy and the only way to kill a A soul reaper/death god would be to use a zanpakuto otherwise alucard is one to waste his ammo while ichigo we'll be able to outrun him and outmaneuver him

And all that Ichigo will have to do is cut him down as many times as alucard has Souls and alucard has yet to show speed that will leaves and after image not to mention the strength to hold up boulders all he has going for him is reaction time able to withstand being having his head cut off and being stabbed

His guns realistically would be able to harm ichigo even is depleted Uranium or mercury rounds would not work even if put in A fight where his guns do work I still believe ichigo would win specially in vastol lord form alucard loses ichigo wins :-)

#11 Posted by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (11111 posts) - - Show Bio

Ichigo is way too fast.

#12 Edited by Nelomaxwell (10704 posts) - - Show Bio

@cosmostyrant: Soul reapers aren't angels they're the equivalent of Charion at the river styx. They just ferry souls.

#13 Edited by Fallschirmjager (18949 posts) - - Show Bio

Ichigo doesn't have the stamina to kill someone 3 million times, which took Alucard himself 30 years to do to.

@5iou5: ...Alucard attacks with familiars which are effectively stolen souls...basically magic. He can not only hurt Ichigo but devour him completely.

And even if Soul Reapers used "holy weapons" - which they don't...Alucard has regenerated from that anyway.

#14 Edited by 5iou5 (4 posts) - - Show Bio

right knocking master jirou / thelegendary_supersaiyan_hulk

#15 Posted by StrictlyAnime (948 posts) - - Show Bio

Ichigo's speed vs Alucard Regen, I don't know of anyway that Alucard could touch Ichigo, I've seen the OVAs and I don't recall any of his speed feats, but Ichigo has Speed, Power, and he has his own high-speed regeneration.

#16 Edited by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (11111 posts) - - Show Bio
#17 Posted by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (11111 posts) - - Show Bio

@fallschirmjager: Ichigo is so much faster than Alucard it isn't even funny. Alucard wouldn't even be able to land a hit.

#18 Edited by StrictlyAnime (948 posts) - - Show Bio

Even if Alucard goes level 0, BOOM Ichigo wipes out all the fodder with a massive Cero, and Alucard becomes even easier to kill.

#19 Posted by Fallschirmjager (18949 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_legendary_supersaiyan_hulk: Ichigo would run out of power before he killed him 3 million times over. Speed is irrelevant.

Even beyond the regeneration he could become intangible and effectively stop himself from physical harm.

Even assuming the energy attacks Ichigo has would hit him while he's intangible (and it IS an assumption) Alucard can use Telekinesis and effectively hold Ichigo in place as well. (At which point he can kill him any number of ways...)

He could probably even hypnotize him if he wanted ;3

#20 Posted by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (11111 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_legendary_supersaiyan_hulk: Ichigo would run out of power before he killed him 3 million times over. Speed is irrelevant.

Even beyond the regeneration he could become intangible and effectively stop himself from physical harm.

Even assuming the energy attacks Ichigo has would hit him while he's intangible (and it IS an assumption) Alucard can use Telekinesis and effectively hold Ichigo in place as well. (At which point he can kill him any number of ways...)

He could probably even hypnotize him if he wanted ;3

This is Vasto Lorde Ichigo, he was speed eating Ulquiorra's final release. To add to his speed and power, he has instantaneous regeneration. Vasto Lorde Ichigo gives no f*cks, all he does is kill, and he's very good at that. Alucard is going to hold someone who is so many times more powerful than him and someone who he won't even be able to register?

#21 Edited by PrinceAragorn1 (20257 posts) - - Show Bio

@fallschirmjager said:

@the_legendary_supersaiyan_hulk: Ichigo would run out of power before he killed him 3 million times over. Speed is irrelevant.

Not even close. Even bankai ichigo cut away hundred million blades of senbonzakura. Why wouldn't he be able to hit 3 million times? And this is vasto lorde ichigo. Guy caught a nuke with his bare hands.. And alucard is NEVER landing a hit on ichigo with his level of speed. Not to mention even if he does, he doesn't have the destructive power to hurt vasto lorde.

On top of that, ichigo has a Shinigami blade. Game over.

#22 Posted by NighThunder (4778 posts) - - Show Bio

Ichigo can't harm alucard....

#23 Posted by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (11111 posts) - - Show Bio
#24 Edited by dondave (38893 posts) - - Show Bio

Ichigo

#25 Posted by kyrees (6210 posts) - - Show Bio

ichigo massively stomps with his cero and super slashes.

#26 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@fallschirmjager: Ichigo is so much faster than Alucard it isn't even funny. Alucard wouldn't even be able to land a hit.

alucard has many options.

Alucard can TK Ichigo.

No Escaping a TK Bubble that moved a freaking Aircraft Carrier.

Hell he can remain Intangible if we really wanted to use his power sets.

Hard to hit if he wanted to be.

He can Hypnotize easy enough.

1-2) Hypnotizes Swat guy with a glare.

3) Hypnotizes hotel boy.

4-5) Hypnotizes Chopper Pilot into amnesia.

So if Itchigo even for a moment was dumb enough to talk to him, like he does to all foes, then its over.

Alucard also has the ability to summon heavy Fog and Bats.

This alone can be a hindrance in keeping any form of attack on Alucard or seeing his own attacks. Alucard has a third eye to see without using his own eyes.

Heck he does not need his guns. He has his Familiars that can physicaly seperate from alucard to make indvidual attacks from all angles.

Like Dandy Mans Magic Cards or Rip Van Winckles Hyper sonic Magic Bullet!

Hell the Baskerville Hound can separate and attack as its own entity!

Alucard has 3 million more where that came from!

He can use his Shadow Powers to attack from shadows!

1-4) Shadow Hands everywhere for massive stompage.

5-7) Uses Shadow power to hold together a flaming wreck SR-71 going Mach 3.4 till it crashed!

Hard to dodge every shadow around every corner.

Lets say Itchigo uses his strongest attack that levels mountains. So what?! Alucard loses a life out of 3 million!

or...

or...

or...

Are we seeing a picture yet?

He can only lose a single life with a standard Vampire type killing. Decapitation or Heart Destroyed. If you say slice him a thousands times and blood was everywhere.... he can reabsorb the blood and heal again anyway.

So he has infinite healing with Blood around, gains Souls with the drinking and killing of others blood, and can only lose a soul via traditional Vampire killing.

Thats alot of rules to get through to kill a being with 3 million souls.

Itchigo DOES NOT have the endurance or stamina to pull this off.

Alucard wins.

#27 Posted by Fallschirmjager (18949 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_legendary_supersaiyan_hulk: @princearagorn1: Exactly what @cadencev2: said. Defeating Alucard has nothing to do with destructive power or speed. Its about the stamina to kill him 3+ million times and the flexibility to deal with his vast array of powers.

Being a super strong and super fast badass is meaningless.

#28 Posted by StrictlyAnime (948 posts) - - Show Bio

@fallschirmjager said:

@the_legendary_supersaiyan_hulk: @princearagorn1: Exactly what @cadencev2: said. Defeating Alucard has nothing to do with destructive power or speed. Its about the stamina to kill him 3+ million times and the flexibility to deal with his vast array of powers.

Being a super strong and super fast badass is meaningless.

Ichigo is quicker, Alucard couldn't tough him

Ichigo has much high destructive capabilities

I don't think Vasto Lorde Ichigo has to worry about Stamina, Normal Ichigo probably does.

Has his own High Speed Regeneration so Alucard is going to have to try VERY hard to kill him the same way it works with Anderson.

Ichigo is without restraint here, he'll unleash on Alucard instantly.

#29 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@strictlyanime: Regen means nothing to Dandy Man cards.

Cancels Alucard Regen.

Cancels Andersons Regen.

It will cancel Ichigos as well.

Also how does Ichigo get close to the TK of this guy?

How does Ichigo find Alucard out of the many souls he can release at a time, in the fog, and swarming bats?

Ichigo can hit Intangible people now?

These are all within Alucards power and trumps Sword Slashing one trick pony with speed by alot.

Also that Magic Bullet is not only fast, its self tracking at whatever she shoots at.

#30 Edited by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (11111 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: This is Vasto Lorde Ichigo, not normal Ichigo.

#31 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio
#32 Edited by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (11111 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: It's when his hollow completely took over him after he died by Ulquiorra. Remember those speed feats that was shown when you put Half-Hollow mask against Hellsing? He's insanely faster and more destructive as Vasto Lorde. He also has no morals, he literally threw his sword through Ishida without hesitating. Then there's instantaneous regeneration.

#33 Posted by reikai (4667 posts) - - Show Bio

@fallschirmjager: No, it isn't meaningless. Since one strike from Ichigo can carve out a chunk of all those souls inside of Alucard. Recall, Seireitei Arc against Byakuya. His Bankai released a million small blades in the form of sakura petals. Ichigo deflected all of them within a few seconds. Even if you claimed he was hitting 50 of them at once per swing, it would mean he performed more than 20thousand strikes per second.

Alucard literally has nothing in his arsenal that could even remotely affect Ichigo. Even when Ichigo was training with the Vizards to control his Hollow powers, he could effectively run purely on his reiatsu for days on end and not even remotely feel tired. Ichigo has all the stamina he needs. All Alucard has is numbers. You can have an army and it is still meaningless when someone drops a nuke on your head.

That's what this amounts to. Alucard is Hiroshima, and Ichigo is the nuke that obliterated it. There's also something people are missing. Shinigami aren't like Charon. They can purify hollows and send the soul to the Seireitei. But evil souls get sent to Hell. Charon only ever ferried the souls. Shinigami in Bleach can become so powerful they need to restrict their powers to prevent themselves from affecting the Physical World.

Yammy when he went to Karakura town is an example of this. Because of his need for reishi to keep up his strength, he could literally eat peoples souls just by being in the area. And at the time Yammy was the weakest of the Espada because Reishi was so limited in the Living World. In Hueco Mundo, both Shinigami and Hollow could utilize their full powers because that realm is permeated by reishi, effectively feeding the denizens and providing enough for Yammy to make himself a giant.

There's a reason Captain-level Shinigami wear seals when in the Living World. In either case, Alucard has a 0% chance of doing anything here.

#34 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: It's when his hollow completely took over him after he died by Ulquiorra. Remember those speed feats that was shown when you put Half-Hollow mask against Hellsing? He's insanely faster and more destructive as Vasto Lorde. He also has no morals, he literally threw his sword through Ishida without hesitating. Then there's instantaneous regeneration.

I see, however TK that moves a Aircraft Carrier.... how is he by passing that?

Intagibility... nuff said.

Shadow Maniuplation on a grand scale.

Dandy Man Cards to cancel Healing.

Hypnosis, what feats does Ichigo have vs Mental games?

If we want to do the whole "what I would do with that power game" then Alucard wins easy. His powerset alone is vastly superior regardless Speed and Damage output of Ichigo Hollow form here.

#35 Edited by reikai (4667 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2:

I see, however TK that moves a Aircraft Carrier.... how is he by passing that?

Ichigo is so fast that Alucard could never tag him with anything. Also, one swing of his sword would shred the carrier.

Intagibility... nuff said.

Ichigo is an Astral being. Thus, already intangible. He can attack the spirit directly. So, doesn't help Alucard any.

Shadow Maniuplation on a grand scale.

Meaningless since it can't hurt Ichigo. It'd be like Ichigo's first time trying to hurt Kenpachi. Didn't do a damn thing. Quite frankly his Reiatsu Crush everything Alucard has.

Dandy Man Cards to cancel Healing.

They have to hit, and they're not going to. Also not proven to work on Shinigami or Hollow. It's a stretch since they were created using Occult magic to be used specifically against other vampires. So it's only speculation that it'd work on a spiritual lifeform like a Shinigami. Also the cards didn't do jack when Alucard used a release form and he regenerated completely.

Hypnosis, what feats does Ichigo have vs Mental games?

Ichigo actually has his own inner mental domain, like every Shinigami. It was there he was constantly tested by Zangetsu and where he ultimately had to draw the strength to gain control over his Hollow powers and create a Vizard mask. In his Hollow form and as the Vasto Lorde, Ichigo is dominated by that half of his soul, which we actually see within his inner domain as a white version of himself. So the probability of Hypnosis affecting him at all is, well, about zero.

If we want to do the whole "what I would do with that power game" then Alucard wins easy. His powerset alone is vastly superior regardless Speed and Damage output of Ichigo Hollow form here.

That's not true. And I'd like to quote Genkai a moment from YYH during the Dark Tournament; "He's like a suped up sports car without an engine to run it." basically meaning he's all flash and no power. In this she was referring to Suzuka, a mazoku who had more than a hundred different powers that he developed which included multi-arranged energy blasts, teleportation, power manipulating, aging mist, barriers, flight, and so on and so forth.

Basically, he had a ton of powers. Problem was, he was still a weakling despite this and Genkai beat him easily. Even flashback scene had Younger Toguro laughing at Suzuka saying along the lines of not even needing 1% of his power to beat him.

This is what Alucard is. He has a bunch of different abilities, all of which depend upon the power of the 3mil souls he consumed to maintain. Alucard can have lots of powers, but none of them come close to having what is needed to actually even scratch Ichigo. While on the other hand, one blow from Ichigo can wipe out a chunk of Alucard's souls each time.

#36 Posted by Chibi_cute (4612 posts) - - Show Bio

pre shcrodinger Alucard rapes. even alucard already released all of his captured souls in his fight with walter he was just keep regenerating. ichigo will eventually run out of stamina.

#37 Edited by Fallschirmjager (18949 posts) - - Show Bio

@reikai: Killing Alucard 1 time kills 1 soul. You don't kill 10 souls killing Alucard 1 time. If that's how it worked, then it wouldn't have taken Alucard 30 years to kill each and every one. This is in fact Walter's main tactic when trying to combat Alucard - it was to endure and killing him over and over and over and over and over and hope that he could stop regenerating.

Also since when does being fast matter to someone with Telekinesis? Moving the aircraft carrier is a demonstration of how strong his TK is and that's all. Ichigo being able to destroy a aircraft carrier...is irrelevant. There's nothing to suggest Alucard's Telekinesis has to "hit anything". When he wants something moved, they move instantly...just like most forms of TK.

And your hypothesis of mind games not working on Ichigo is pure speculation on your part. Given that Ichigo was able to regain control of himself, Alucard could probably tap into his mind and bring out the normal Ichigo and thus make him even weaker.

And your final point. Alucard devours people's souls. He can absolutely harm Ichigo.

Furthermore spirit energy is finite in Bleach. During fights people have run out of power or exhausted themselves to the point where they even died because of it. Ichigo's may be among the biggest in the universe, but it is still a finite number. No fight in Bleach lasted more than couple hours (I stopped reading after Aizen was defeated, so let me know if that changed, but I'm pretty sure it hasn't). Bleach fights have been more about intense combat over a short period of time than a contest of stamina.

We're talking about someone needed the stamina to fight potentially for up to 30 years - as Alucard did in order to destroy every soul in his body. Characters with a finite amount of power will never win that battle. '

So once again. Being strong and fast is irrelevant when fighting someone like Alucard. Its about the stamina to fight him for a VERY long time and the flexibility to deal with his VAST assortment of powers.

#38 Posted by Strongarm (5857 posts) - - Show Bio

Dear God, Ichigo may be part vampire as well

#39 Posted by StrictlyAnime (948 posts) - - Show Bio

@reikai: Killing Alucard 1 time kills 1 soul. You don't kill 10 souls killing Alucard 1 time. If that's how it worked, then it wouldn't have taken Alucard 30 years to kill each and every one. This is in fact Walter's main tactic when trying to combat Alucard - it was to endure and killing him over and over and over and over and over and hope that he could stop regenerating.

Also since when does being fast matter to someone with Telekinesis? Moving the aircraft carrier is a demonstration of how strong his TK is and that's all. Ichigo being able to destroy a aircraft carrier...is irrelevant. There's nothing to suggest Alucard's Telekinesis has to "hit anything". When he wants something moved, they move instantly...just like most forms of TK.

And your hypothesis of mind games not working on Ichigo is pure speculation on your part. Given that Ichigo was able to regain control of himself, Alucard could probably tap into his mind and bring out the normal Ichigo and thus make him even weaker.

And your final point. Alucard devours people's souls. He can absolutely harm Ichigo.

Furthermore spirit energy is finite in Bleach. During fights people have run out of power or exhausted themselves to the point where they even died because of it. Ichigo's may be among the biggest in the universe, but it is still a finite number. No fight in Bleach lasted more than couple hours (I stopped reading after Aizen was defeated, so let me know if that changed, but I'm pretty sure it hasn't). Bleach fights have been more about intense combat over a short period of time than a contest of stamina.

We're talking about someone needed the stamina to fight potentially for up to 30 years - as Alucard did in order to destroy every soul in his body. Characters with a finite amount of power will never win that battle. '

So once again. Being strong and fast is irrelevant when fighting someone like Alucard. Its about the stamina to fight him for a VERY long time and the flexibility to deal with his VAST assortment of powers.

Your absolutely right, Stamina is an important thing in this battle, Ichigo is too fast for Alucard to hit then how is Alucard going to get blood? Ichigo is limited by spirit energy, Alucard is limited by blood. Running out of blood doesn't kill Alucard but it will Incapacitate him.

#40 Posted by Fallschirmjager (18949 posts) - - Show Bio

@strictlyanime: Alucard survives 30 years without drinking blood while he's killing all the souls in his body...

#41 Edited by PrinceAragorn1 (20257 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghostrider2: Of all the forms in the world, you chose vasto lorde ichigo? The guy is in a whole league of his own..

Idk why people are saying alucard here.

@fallschirmjager: @cadencev2: @nighthunter: @chibi_cute

As to cadence, this is a special form of ichigo, who easily destroyed ulquiorra cifer, a guy who stopped ban kai ichigo's strongest attack barehanded, and blitzed him like nothing.

Ok. Let's assume for a moment that ichigo just stands there and does nothing. Or Alucard holds him via telekinesis (not saying possible, just assume) How is alucard is going to harm him?

Durability:

First, let me start with las noches:

Aizen's fancy palace where most of the rescue inoue arc takes place:

Think it's small? look carefully at the five little looking towers on the roof. Note, NOT the ones surrounding the palace. The little ones at top.

Now look at them up close:

See that little thing falling from tower? it's ichigo.

Another scan, it gives a clearer idea of height of those towers:

It also says power-release (resurrection) of espada ranked 4 or above or Gran ray cero (an attack) of an espada is strong enough to destroy the palace, hence banned inside (that's why they go to on roof to fight)

The two scans should give you the idea of how large the palace is.

Now look at this, cifer's attack, called lanza:

fired at h2 ichigo

Again, look at the size of towers, and how small cifer looked on top of them. The explosion is quite far away from the palace, and it's destroying a pretty huge building beside it by shockwave. Not to mention the sand actually reaches above the palace due to it. The thing is a practically a nuke.

Now cifer tries to shoot another

and look what happens:

He crushes the damn thing with his BARE hands.

I know this isn't h2 ichigo, but even Regular ichigo says lolnope to ginjo's Getsuga. This isn't even in bankai:

Right after he regains his power (and loses it again lol)

He's not even phased by attacks on that level..

What exactly does alucard have to harm him?

And how strong are the ghouls/familiars? If ichigo doesn't surpress his spirit pressure, what's going to stop them from dying by reiatsu crush like this?

Stark:

Ichigo isn't stark, but he's still a captain level shinigami. And this is vasto lorde>>bankai ichigo. And as to why one guy is still standing, it's Aizen. He has twice the reiatsu of a regular captain and strong enough to bring espada to their knees with reiatsu pressure alone. Above all, he's aizen, lol

And if he decides not to be tagged, he's massively faster than all of them. And again, this is vasto lorde ichigo. He's fast enough to blitz R2 cifer repeatedly, while R1 cifer was blitzing the hell out of ban kai ichigo.

And if you think slashing sword normally till alucard dies is a problem for ichigo, you're badly mistaken:

Bankai ichigo's attacks.. :

If he can slash away hundred million little petals without slightest fatigue, why would he have a problem with alucard, when he could reiatsu crush massive amount of them anyway and just stand there if he's tired?

Also,

1.where is the proof that if alucard is hit by a nuke level attack like lanza, or even more so, a cero, he'll regenerate from that? Has he been hit by something at that level.. like.. ever?

2. Is there any proof he can make his soul intangible (lol) to protect from soul based attacks?

3. And what feats does alucard have to say attacks, like dandyman cards/ magic bullets will harm someone with town+ durability? (Note, don't say it's magic lol, ichigo has broken through a magic restraint in his human form before he got powers and destroyed many incantations and in a stronger form, destroyed (casually backhanded through) a magic coffin strong enough to warp time/space..

On top of all that, ichigo is a completely invisible, intangible being himself, people without good spirit strength can't even see them. Not to mention normal magic like binding/hypnotism doesn't work on him due to his high spirit pressure. It's generally neutralized in a fight for discussion's sake.. He is a death God, meaning holy sword, and they have soul based attacks. Not to mention they can send souls to soul society if they want..

By power, ichigo is already bijju mode naruto level. Possibly even more in vasto lorde form.

I don't see *any* reason yet why this is a fair fight..

#42 Edited by Fallschirmjager (18949 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1:

  1. Alucard has regenerated from a puddle a blood or even less iirc when fighting Andersen. (Cadence is scan master)
  2. Sigh. If Bleach characters were intangible themselves, they wouldn't be able to blow up buildings like they do. They have inherit tangibility. Humans may not being able to see them, but if they were intangible they wouldn't be able to destroy terrain or suffer physical harm - and they do.
  3. Once again this durability is irrelevant. Alucard attacks with familiars that literally devour's people souls. Its not an attack meant to harm you. It consumes your being and absorbs it into him.
  4. Sado and Inoue are human and can see, fight and interact with Soul Reapers no problem. Alucard is a vampire, a super natural being. But yeah he wouldn't be able to see Soul Reapers.
  5. Death God = holy weapons? That's an assumption, never it is stated that their weapons are holy in nature. Even assuming they were, Alucard has regenerated from holy weapons no problem on several different occasions.

And your final point about Naruto Bijuu power level? Who cares? Naruto is one of the weakest anime universes. Seriously. I don't know how many times I have to keep saying this, but defeating Alucard has nothing to do with how powerful you are or how fast you are.

Bleach characters function on a set of rules. Spirit energy is how they attack. And spirit energy is basically like any other energy in fighting anime you've seen. Be it Ki in DBZ or Chakra in Naruto or Spirit Energy in YYH...etc, etc ,etc.

It has a finite amount. Everyone does. They can and will run out of it. And NO ONE in Bleach has feats to say that they can last more than a couple hours when fighting. Alucard has to be killed millions of times, meaning you have to fight him (using his own benchmark) for years. No one in Bleach has anything to suggest they can fight that long.

You're right, it isn't a fair fight - for anyone in Bleach (save maybe Hogyoku Aizen). There is no one in Bleach that has the stamina to compete with someone with Alucard's regenerative capabilities. They would run out of Spirit Energy before that happened.

#43 Edited by PrinceAragorn1 (20257 posts) - - Show Bio

@fallschirmjager said:

@princearagorn1:

  1. Alucard has regenerated from a puddle a blood or even less iirc when fighting Andersen. (Cadence is scan master)
  2. Sigh. If Bleach characters were intangible themselves, they wouldn't be able to blow up buildings like they do. They have inherit tangibility. Humans may not being able to see them, but if they were intangible they wouldn't be able to destroy terrain or suffer physical harm - and they do.
  3. Once again this durability is irrelevant. Alucard attacks with familiars that literally devour's people souls. Its not an attack meant to harm you. It consumes your being and absorbs it into him.
  4. Sado and Inoue are human and can see, fight and interact with Soul Reapers no problem. Alucard is a vampire, a super natural being. But yeah he wouldn't be able to see Soul Reapers.
  5. Death God = holy weapons? That's an assumption, never it is stated that their weapons are holy in nature. Even assuming they were, Alucard has regenerated from holy weapons no problem on several different occasions.

And your final point about Naruto Bijuu power level? Who cares? Naruto is one of the weakest anime universes. Seriously. I don't know how many times I have to keep saying this, but defeating Alucard has nothing to do with how powerful you are or how fast you are.

Bleach characters function on a set of rules. Spirit energy is how they attack. And spirit energy is basically like any other energy in fighting anime you've seen. Be it Ki in DBZ or Chakra in Naruto or Spirit Energy in YYH...etc, etc ,etc.

It has a finite amount. Everyone does. They can and will run out of it. And NO ONE in Bleach has feats to say that they can last more than a couple hours when fighting. Alucard has to be killed millions of times, meaning you have to fight him (using his own benchmark) for years. No one in Bleach has anything to suggest they can fight that long.

1. But what was he hit with? A nuke level soul attack? Show scans.

2. They are go intangible unless hit by someone with strong spirit pressure:

Try again.

3. ALL the durability feats listed are in ichigo's soul form. When has a alucard/familiar attacked a soul that crushes nukes? He doesn't have ANYTHING in his arsenal to cut vasto lorde. Scans required if untrue.

4. Sado is a fullbringer. Inoue can reject events out of reality. Both have enough spirit pressure to stand in gin/aizen's presence. How the hell are they a regular humans? Next.

5. Isn't holy related to Gods?

"objects are often considered 'holy' or 'sacred' if used for spiritual purposes",[3] such as the worship or service of Gods. -wiki.

ichigo is a death God, who deals with spirits all the time. The blade purifies the sins of spirits. I'd say it's a valid assumption, but whatever you want to believe. Ignore this point for all I care

Well, I'm not commenting on your bias against naruto, I assume you haven't caught up with it. Current naruto tosses around mountain busters like nothing.

And I didn't say spirit energy is unlimited. I showed you a scan of ichigo slashing away millions of petal-blade without even taking a breathe. He can do the same against alucard.

And alucard still has no way to win this. Ichigo just stands there and tanks his attacks. What now?

You haven't shown:

1. Alucard regenerating from anything close to lanza level soul based attack, much less ceros..

2. Any reason why familiars wouldn't be reiatsu crushed like hollows, the soul devouring spirits done in by stark.

3. Any scan saying alucard can make his soul intangible.

4. Literally anything that he will do to make ichigo notice him.

#44 Edited by Oceanicus (112 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: It's fully hollow mode, just savage, it won't talk it will attack until it decimates everything in its way...

Considering their abilities, stalemate, their regen is absolutely crazy, Alucard has regenerated from a pool of blood, Ichigo regenerates instantly and takes city buster attacks to the face unfazed...

@fallschirmjager: He has the stamina to do so, in vasto lorde state anyways, you all seem to think it's normal ichigo with a power-up, is more like a Hulk version of Ichigo...

#45 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@strictlyanime: Easy. He just reabsorbs his own blood! I showed this already in my scans above. His blood splattered everywhere will return to him! He has shown this 5 separate times in the manga. Infinite Regen.

#46 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@reikai: Sorry, most of what you said plays no role in my questions. Inner mentality means jack crap if he has no Mental Control feats.

Same for destrying a aircraft carrier, who cares? TK can be used in a wide area to ensnare Ichigo. Like the wide use of it on a carrier. Ichigo have any REAL Strength Feats to suggest he can muscle his way out? Thought not.

Dandy Man Cards can indeed hit Ichigo in the vast numbers Alucard can throw them out. Or if he TK/Hypnosis him its over.

Any proof besides fancy Manga words on Ichigo hitting a Intangible being? Any FEATS!?

#47 Posted by reikai (4667 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2:

Inner mentality means jack crap if he has no Mental Control feats

I'm afraid you missed the point of that. It means that Ichigo has a strong mental defense against control, because in these instances had been taken over by another, more dominant personality, ie Mind/Persona. Ichigo has wrenched back control several times before, and then gained control over this persona to form his Vizard Mask.

As the Vasto Lorde, Ichigo is no longer in control as he submitted to the power of his inner Hollow in order to have the strength to save Orihime. As such it is this Persona that is in the forefront of his consciousness, and it is the berserking monster we see as the Vasto Lorde. As such there isn't anyway for Alucard to remotely affect this creature, neither hypnosis nor any of his other abilities will have an effect.

Same for destrying a aircraft carrier, who cares? TK can be used in a wide area to ensnare Ichigo. Like the wide use of it on a carrier. Ichigo have any REAL Strength Feats to suggest he can muscle his way out? Thought not

Bleach had not been about Physical Strength, but strength of Spirit. Which he demonstrated at the starting gate when Rukia ended up in his house and she hit'im with a binding Kido to make him completely immobile. Instead his strong spiritual force enabled him to break free, and this was before Rukia had accidentally awakened the Shinigami power inside of Ichigo.

And while the series isn't about strength, that doesn't mean it's lacking in it. Remember the giant gate guardian Shinigami at the beginning of the Seiretei arc? Yeah, the guy with two massive hatchets that Ichigo blocked one-handed effortlessly? Yeah, that's called strength right there, and then he shattered them with one strike. Yet Ichigo has trouble fighting with Ikkaku and Renji, and all of his strength was meaningless against Kenpachi's reiatsu shield.

"shaking a carrier" is frankly nothing next to people who affect wide areas with nothing more than their Presence. The TK is useless, because it lacks the strength to even so much as slow Ichigo down, even assuming Alucard could manage an attempt at holding him. Which we know there would never be a chance to because Alucard is vastly outclassed in speed.

Dandy Man Cards can indeed hit Ichigo in the vast numbers Alucard can throw them out. Or if he TK/Hypnosis him its over.

Since neither of those things'll even remotely work, no they won't hit him. Again, even Byakuya's million blades couldn't land a hit, and Byakuya is helluva lot faster than Alucard. And this was, again, the Seiretei arc. The cast members are a lot more powerful and faster by the time of the Hueco Mundo arc.

Any proof besides fancy Manga words on Ichigo hitting a Intangible being? Any FEATS!?

You mean like bopping ghosts or every time he kills a Hollow? Cause all these things're intangible and invisible to those without spiritual awareness. It's a constant in the series. It's also why Hollows and Shinigami can appear to walk on air.

Fact is, Alucard has a soul. Millions of them really. That makes him a bigger target. Because Ichigo's not just attacking your physical self, but your Spiritual Being. Alucard passing through walls doesn't enable him to avoid a soul-cutting weapon or force.

Easy. He just reabsorbs his own blood! I showed this already in my scans above. His blood splattered everywhere will return to him! He has shown this 5 separate times in the manga. Infinite Regen.

There wouldn't even be vapors left after an attack from Ichigo, much less from the Vasto Lorde. It's like with Ulquiorra. Cero blast utterly vaporizes him. Only difference being Alucard doesn't need organs to live. Ulquiorra does, except Ulq, the other Espada and Arrancar have bodies harder than most substances due to their inherent ability of Hiero. Alucard can be shredded by bullets (mainly because he doesn't care), which shows he's quite soft-bodied in comparison to an Espada. It's like comparing wet toilet paper to a diamond.

One Cero from VL-Ichigo vaped half of Ulquiorra's body. The same would completely vaporize Alucard's.

#48 Posted by vintage_spiderman (2191 posts) - - Show Bio

Ichigo due to far superior speed and raw physical force.

#49 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@reikai: Im still do not agree with anything you said other than the feat of minor strength on Ichigo part vs the Gate guy.

Spiritual Pressure does not mean will work with Psychic Energy.

Berserking Monster does not equal immunity to Hypnosis unless it has such feats.

We will agree to disagree.

#50 Posted by reikai (4667 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: You know it can just as easily be said that Alucard dies repeatedly just being in Ichigo's presence because Alucard has never shown any resistance to Spiritual Pressure which can crush the souls of others and kill people. And not just from Alucard, but from everyone he's ever consumed and everyone in the entire Hellsing series.

You don't need to be a psychic to resist psychic abilities. It helps, but it's not necessary. Anything that strengthens the mind is enough. As such, Batman has learned techniques to block his mind from control. Doc Strange has warded off psychic attacks from Moondragon and Loki during the Silver Age. Hulk is basically immune to it, and there are numerous other examples across fiction.

The fact remains is that in a Mental battle between various parts of himself, Ichigo has fought for control and won. So he does, in fact, have resistance to mental control. Yet still all of these arguments are moot because Alucard can't react at all before Ichigo has already obliterated him. Speed is a factor, and Alucard just doesn't have anything that'd allow him to do anything more than stand there and get vaped.