Iceman vs Thor

@butterflykyss: Yes but Iceman clearly stays on earth and we dont see what he can do outside of it maybe soon he will be in the top with Vulcan and Nate Grey where he belongs

Once again, I still have not seen him "transmute" Thor and Mjolnir, only freeze them. I've seen all the scans provided. That's the thing, when you make a claim like "the death seed didn't amp him" or "he was still as powerful after the death seed" you have to provide proof. Otherwise it is simply your opinion and should NOT be stated as fact.

@icecold14: he didn't stay on earth he flew into space and was looking at earth from space. And we can't use speculation to determine how strong he is. We can only go based on canon.

He was shown full potential per raven being able to perform planetary feat. Storm has been there and done that without a silly seed :)

@randomsid: The Death Seed don't amp : it unlocks the potential of individuals.

For exemple : The energy claws of Daken are Celestial Tech, not a part of The Death Seed.

Yeah BS. Every single person to ever have the death seed was amped, even the writers said that it amped them.

@randomsid: Okay one last time man i gived you ways that u can see for yourself go ahead read the issue and i bet you will eat your words

I have seen the scans already, how many times do I have to say that. He did not transmute Thor and Mjolnir, he transmuted the others present. It is evidenced by them showing up in a different location but Thor not showing up at that location.

He freezes Thor over, and the others are transmuted to a different location.

@butterflykyss: Your too funny now Storm couldnt do squat in those issues to Iceman she ecen says that she cant control the weather because of all the Ice so please this surely proofs Iceman is more of a threat :O

What Death Seed??? he clearly doesnt have a death seed in issue #65 and the wprld is till under his control and he even shows that hes more powerful

@randomsid: At the end of the issue he ends up in a Graveyard in Washington

He mangled up Thor though... felt sorry for the God of Thunder.

Already said this like 5 times, the world is still under his control because it is still covered in ice. He isn't more powerful, he just has more material to work with.

Oh, I know, and I'm not saying Iceman is weak or anything. But I do get tired of people trying to give him feats he doesn't have and ignoring the clear fact that he was only able to do most of the things he did there because of being amped by the death seed. Even the writers confirmed that. But people still ignore it.

@randomsid: No because once he gived up he clearly takes away all the snow from all over the world :o he does it by defeating his evil side :o he also has omnipresence and the transmutation so how exactly do you explain all this :o you keep bringing up he has the resources to work with why? It doesnt state nothing like that in the issue and everyone clearly say that Iceman is still the same but his fear is making him the way he is

@randomsid: No your ignoring things now -.- No writer says hes amped at all stop lying already god man -.-

It doesn't have to state it, it shows it by the earth being covered in ice. That is his power so of course he has more power when it is covered by ice.

Yes they did. It was posted in the other thread you and I argued over this very thing. The writers said he was amped by the death seed. Not my fault you want to ignore it.

@icecold14: It did amp every other single individuals that had it though, but I guess Iceman is special.

Agreed.
Both requires raw material to be functional.

That's why AoA Iceman was killed by AoA Nightcrawler.

Thank you very much. I remember that issue. It was pretty bad arse!

I'm not sure what issue you are talking about honestly, but any writer who says Storm can't do something because there is no weather is not well versed on how her powers function. She doesn't manipulate weather... she manipulates the energy patterns that govern the weather:

He needed the death seed to generate that much ice to cover the entire earth. Once it was there it didn't require much to manipulate it as it was an extension of him at that point. He still required the seed to unlock his potential to perform such a feat.

Storm again has already performed planetary level feats and without needing a seed to unlock her potential. The most recent occurring in her solo:

@butterflykyss: Yes the storm feats are bad ass but saying Iceman needed the death seed to freeze the world is just funny :o if you notice in the issues his fear clearly is what froze the planet because he felt depressed :o he didnt even know it was him who froze the planet until he found out later that his mood swings are what made the planet freeze

@butterflykyss: Yep.
Rick Remender is very good isn't it ? :)

Answer me this... was the death seed inside of him before or after he froze the planet?

I am actually not a RR fan, but I thought that was pretty intense.

The real question here is how hard are Thors nipples by the end of this fight!?

@butterflykyss: Actually the death seed was the reason he became depressed making him freeze the planet so pretty much the seed never amped him at all it just took control of his anger and fear and it let the world suffer the consequences

I agree lol.

Soooooooooooo the Death Seed was inside of him when he became depressed and as a result of the depression he froze the planet.

Ok all I needed to know :D

@butterflykyss: Yup lol

LOLOLOL!!! so you basically just proved my point you know that right :)

@butterflykyss: Yeah something like that i actually meant that the death seed didnt amp him :o it just helped him let out everything without caring about anything :o

And that's a good thing. But you do realize that all the stuff I showed in terms of Storm didn't require her needing help is my only point. This is a good showing for Bobby and I do think a fully realized Bobby can take Thor ( and I acknowledge Storm can't beat thor at this moment) but Storm has vastly greater showings that have been performed without help. To suggest that he is better in terms of power is not a true statement if you look at this objectively in my humble opinion. :D

@butterflykyss: Yeah the difference being bobby is afraid of his power while Storm isnt thats why she has better feats :O

If Iceman just stood up to his power he would be going solo right now lol :)

Well actually Storm holds back a good portion of the time as her powers can result in irreparable damage to the climate and weather as it exists. And perhaps... bobby needs to man up lOl

@butterflykyss: Same here with Iceman i mean the writters dont want bobby freezing the world in every issue he appears do they?This is why i hate when people say "Oh well why hasnt Iceman shown that type of power again?" Well to all those people it would be pretty stupid if he froze the world everytime he appears wouldnt it?

Agreed, people say the same thing about the galatic core feat. However, there hasn't really been a situation where Storm could perform such a feat again. I totally see what you are saying.

@butterflykyss: okay good man :)

Full potential Iceman stomps so hard

thor 3/4

Iceman goes intangible and seeps into thors lungs freezing them then putting him in unbreakable ice. easy win for ice man.

Curbstomp icestomp. frostystomp. easy peezy breexy beautiful cover girl

He can't something something moisture of/in all of the something, so Iceman stomps.

--Every Iceman argument I think I've ever seen.

If Thor goes H2H, most likely iceman. However Thor does have a different physiology to humans....

If Thor keeps his distance, fights smart and uses all of his power, then the Odinson wins no doubt, he's too versatile. Even if all of his attacks fail (unlikely) he could just destroy the planet or BFR Bobby to another dimension or the sun

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Thor

@xiix: Why can he not? If his powers untitled him the ability to go all the way down to moisture and travel any where and reform himself. Then why can't he go inside of Thor? If he has the ability to take the temperature to subzero in a matter of seconds. Then why can he not freeze Thor? And don't forget if he is in ice form he is immortal! But look up his powers and what level mutant his is, because not even professor X is in the same level as him.

@karleman: Welcome to the vine :)

bump
if anyones willing
I'd like more opinions on this

Lolz

What bs? Thor wins this with so much ease. Curbstomp written all over.

Iceman can't permanently put down Thor.

But the only way I see Thor winning is if he destroys the planet or BFR's Bobby, the sun should do the trick.

Iceman. He creates dozens of clones to confuse Thor and then bombards him with Ice spears.