Iceman vs Bastion - Battles

#1 Posted by Edamame (26173 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

Iceman
Bastion

Rules:
1. This will be a blood-lusted match.
2. Both characters are fully rested and at full power.
3. Location of battle: On the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco, California
4. No preparation for either character

#2 Posted by JediXMan (22921 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

I'm sorry to say it, but this is borderline spite. We saw what a few of Bastion's soldiers could do to Iceman. I have no doubt that Bastion would be MUCH more powerful.

#3 Edited by Edamame (26173 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@JediXMan said:

" I'm sorry to say it, but this is borderline spite. We saw what a few of Bastion's soldiers could do to Iceman. I have no doubt that Bastion would be MUCH more powerful. "

No need to be sorry.
Regarding the underlined sentence in your post, was that a fully-powered and blood-lusted Iceman? I thought otherwise.

#4 Posted by JediXMan (22921 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@Edamame:

He appeared to be fighting at his fullest. They redirected the ice back on him, I believe. They adapted. Why would Bastion not be capable of adapting even quicker?

#5 Posted by Mercy_ (83472 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

Are you talking about Iceman to his fullest potential (akin to when Emma was in control) or to the fullest potential that he's exhibited by himself?

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#6 Edited by Edamame (26173 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@JediXMan said:

" @Edamame: He appeared to be fighting at his fullest.

Why do you say that? It was my impression that he was somewhat intimidated, especially since a huge army of Nimrod Sentinels was suddenly appearing and attacking everyone. He also didn't look too vengeful or angry.

@JediXMan said:

They redirected the ice back on him, I believe.

That is incorrect. The blast that the Nimrod Sentinel projected towards Iceman forced him out of his "ice" form and into his "human" form. Hence, the burns on his body. However, Iceman has often displayed the ability of transferring his consciousness into other bodies of water, in which he can reform his "ice" body and heal himself.

@JediXMan

said:

They adapted.

They adapted to what? Could you please be more specific? Iceman only attacked the Nimrod Sentinels once.

@JediXMan said:

Why would Bastion not be capable of adapting even quicker? "

I never stated otherwise. Why did you assume so?

#7 Posted by Edamame (26173 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@The Dark Huntress said:

" Are you talking about Iceman to his fullest potential (akin to when Emma was in control) or to the fullest potential that he's exhibited by himself? "

Well, unfortunately, I am not familiar with that Emma-Iceman encounter. I haven't read that particular issue.
I simply intended for Iceman to be fully-powered and blood-lusted.

#8 Posted by Mercy_ (83472 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@Edamame said:

" @The Dark Huntress said:
" Are you talking about Iceman to his fullest potential (akin to when Emma was in control) or to the fullest potential that he's exhibited by himself? "
Well, unfortunately, I am not familiar with that Emma-Iceman encounter. I haven't read that particular issue. I simply intended for Iceman to be fully-powered and blood-lusted. "

I might have the scans. Let me see if I can dig them up. I've been amassing Emma scans lately.

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#9 Posted by Edamame (26173 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@The Dark Huntress said:

" @Edamame said:
" @The Dark Huntress said:
" Are you talking about Iceman to his fullest potential (akin to when Emma was in control) or to the fullest potential that he's exhibited by himself? "
Well, unfortunately, I am not familiar with that Emma-Iceman encounter. I haven't read that particular issue. I simply intended for Iceman to be fully-powered and blood-lusted. "
I might have the scans. Let me see if I can dig them up. I've been amassing Emma scans lately. "

Thank you. I appreciate it.

#10 Posted by Cosmic_Falcon (2039 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

Bastion is a pretty cool villain

#11 Edited by Edamame (26173 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@Cosmic_Falcon said:

" Bastion is a pretty cool villain "

Indeed. He is a cold, ruthless and calculating villain, who has a passion for hating mutants. It would be cool to see Bastion in a live-action X-Men film. I don't think he will ever be returning to the comics, though. Have you read Operation Zero Tolerance?

#12 Posted by DedmanWalkin (2598 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

Iceman is an Omega Level Mutant, fully powered means god.

How do you "redirect" his ice? That makes no sense. Bobby has control over all moisture around him. Bobby froze the Stranger who is a being composed of the Power Cosmic. This feat for Nimrod smacks of PIS.

Bastion is different from Nimrod, he has the Techno-Organic Technarchy running through him. Organic means Moisture which Bobby can freeze.

#13 Posted by Mercy_ (83472 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

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#14 Edited by Edamame (26173 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@DedmanWalkin said:

How do you "redirect" his ice? That makes no sense.

That is not what happened. I explained what happened in my fifth-to-last post. lol

#15 Posted by Edamame (26173 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@The Dark Huntress said:

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Awesome. Thank you!

#16 Posted by Mercy_ (83472 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@Edamame: No problem. ^_^

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#17 Posted by Edamame (26173 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@The Dark Huntress said:

" @Edamame: No problem. ^_^ "

Hmm... I am having trouble differentiating between the Iceman who was at full potential (when Emma Frost in control) and the full potential that Iceman has displayed by only himself.

#18 Posted by JediXMan (22921 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@Edamame said:

" @JediXMan said:
" @Edamame: He appeared to be fighting at his fullest.
Why do you say that? It was my impression that he was somewhat intimidated, especially since a huge army of Nimrod Sentinels was suddenly appearing and attacking everyone. He also didn't look too vengeful or angry.

@JediXMan said:
They redirected the ice back on him, I believe.
That is incorrect. The blast that the Nimrod Sentinel projected towards Iceman forced him out of his "ice" form and into his "human" form. Hence, the burns on his body. However, Iceman has often displayed the ability of transferring his consciousness into other bodies of water, in which he can reform his "ice" body and heal himself.

@JediXMan
said:
They adapted.
They adapted to what? Could you please be more specific? Iceman only attacked the Nimrod Sentinels once.

@JediXMan said:
Why would Bastion not be capable of adapting even quicker? "
I never stated otherwise. Why did you assume so? "

1. He was intimidated. But I took it that was because they had adapted to his powers. As you saw, they continued to adapt - that's why Legion was brought out because he had multiple powers.

2. My mistake. It's been awhile.

3. See #1.

4. I never said you said otherwise. Just asking a rhetorical question.

#19 Posted by Edamame (26173 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

1. How could the Nimrod Sentinels adapt to Iceman's powers if he hasn't even engaged them in battle yet? As I said before, Iceman only attacked them once. The Nimrod Sentinels only adapt after the first encounters with their opponents.

#20 Edited by JediXMan (22921 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@Edamame:

I assumed he had at least hit one prior off panel. My reason is that each Nimrod only fell once and then they all adapted to that person's powers - not before. Before adapting, they lost to their attacker (generally).

#21 Edited by Edamame (26173 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@JediXMan said:

" @Edamame: I assumed he had at least hit one prior. My reason is that each Nimrod only fell once and then they all adapted to that person's powers - not before. Before adapting, they lost to their attacker (generally). "

1. No. Iceman only attacked the Nimrod Sentinels once.
2. As long as those Nimrod Sentinels who get attacked first don't get completely destroyed, then they most certainly have a chance at adapting to their opponent's powers.

#22 Posted by JediXMan (22921 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@Edamame:

1. Okay. I assumed that a confrontation might have occurred off panel, but I might be mistaken.
2. So the Nimrod Sentinel does not have to be destroyed? So then is it plausible that the Nimrod Bobby was fighting adapted during the exchange? Or perhaps the powers of the original 5 X-Men was already logged in their system by Bastion (just throwing that out there. I have no evidence of that last sentence)

#23 Edited by Edamame (26173 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

Here are the Iceman vs. Nimrod Sentinel scans in chronological order:

@JediXMan

said:

" @Edamame: 1. Okay. I assumed that a confrontation might have occurred off panel, but I might be mistaken.
2. So the Nimrod Sentinel does not have to be destroyed? So then is it plausible that the Nimrod Bobby was fighting adapted during the exchange? Or perhaps the powers of the original 5 X-Men was already logged in their system by Bastion (just throwing that out there. I have no evidence of that last sentence) "

1. Well, he did freeze one Nimrod Sentinel for Fantomex to eliminate, but that's about it:

2. The Nimrod Sentinels do not have to get destroyed in order for them to adapt to an opponent's powers.They simply have to be able to endure the attack and stay "alive" or functional. It is certainly possible that the machinery inside that Nimrod Sentinel managed to begin adapting to Iceman's powers, but it didn't manage to stay "alive". Those first five or so Nimrod Sentinels were all completely destroyed, except for one that made contact to the Days of Future Past timeline.
That is certainly an interesting assumption that you made there. However, It is impossible to know whether or not those Nimrods were given preparation that would let them know the X-Men's powers. Now, if that were true, then the X-Men would have been defeated, which wasn't the case.

#24 Posted by Edamame (26173 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@JediXMan: Sorry. Did I properly answer your questions?

#25 Posted by JediXMan (22921 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@Edamame said:

" @JediXMan: Sorry. Did I properly answer your questions? "

Which one?

#26 Posted by Edamame (26173 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@JediXMan said:

" @Edamame: 1. Okay. I assumed that a confrontation might have occurred off panel, but I might be mistaken. 2. So the Nimrod Sentinel does not have to be destroyed? So then is it plausible that the Nimrod Bobby was fighting adapted during the exchange? Or perhaps the powers of the original 5 X-Men was already logged in their system by Bastion (just throwing that out there. I have no evidence of that last sentence) "

@JediXMan said:

" @Edamame said:
" @JediXMan: Sorry. Did I properly answer your questions? "
Which one? "

The post above your most recent post. I was wondering if my post was too long or something. LOL Sorry about that.

#27 Posted by goldenshot80 (7344 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@JediXMan said:

" I'm sorry to say it, but this is borderline spite. We saw what a few of Bastion's soldiers could do to Iceman. I have no doubt that Bastion would be MUCH more powerful. "

#28 Posted by DedmanWalkin (2598 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

Again, Bastion is different from Nimrod as he is techno-organic which means moisture which means Bobby can freeze him solid.

#29 Posted by JediXMan (22921 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@DedmanWalkin said:

" Again, Bastion is different from Nimrod as he is techno-organic which means moisture which means Bobby can freeze him solid. "

Bastion = Nimrod. Nimrod =/= Bastion.

Basically, Bastion has Nimrod's abilities and more. He is also more intelligent.

#30 Posted by DedmanWalkin (2598 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

Bastion = Techno-Organic =/= Nimrod thus Bastion =/= Nimrod.

Bastion is Techno-Organic as proven when he upgraded himself with the Techno-Organic Technarchy recently. Techno-Organic automatically means moisture is present that Bobby can manipulate thus allowing him to freeze Bastion solid. Nimrod is solid Tech so it is possible that he could make himself resistant. Bastion, because of the differences from his minions, makes him more vulnerable to Iceman.

#31 Posted by THUNDERBOLT30 (7819 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

I think Bastion would win.

#32 Edited by Edamame (26173 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@DedmanWalkin said:

Techno-Organic automatically means moisture is present that Bobby can manipulate thus allowing him to freeze Bastion solid.

1. Couldn't Bastion adapt? Also, Bastion managed to break free from Hope Summers' "freezing" attack. Obviously, this isn't Iceman doing it, but it is still important to note:

^ You can see the ice chunks at the bottom of this scan. Hope tried to freeze Bastion.

#33 Posted by DedmanWalkin (2598 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

She didn't freeze him she covered him in ice like Iceman generally does to people he doesn't intend to kill. When I say freeze I mean what he did to Legion, freezing every single molecule of water in his body. How does he adapt to his molecules being frozen? He would need matter manipulation abilities or magic to escape, does he have those?

#34 Posted by Edamame (26173 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@DedmanWalkin said:

When I say freeze I mean what he did to Legion, freezing every single molecule of water in his body. How does he adapt to his molecules being frozen? He would need matter manipulation abilities or magic to escape, does he have those? "

Bastion doesn't have water molecules.

#35 Posted by DedmanWalkin (2598 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

Bastion recently upgraded himself with Technarchy Techno-Organics, as I have said multiple times now. It can't be called Techno-Organic without the organic part. Organic means water is somewhere in there.

#36 Edited by Edamame (26173 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@DedmanWalkin said:

" Bastion recently upgraded himself with Technarchy Techno-Organics, as I have said multiple times now. It can't be called Techno-Organic without the organic part. Organic means water is somewhere in there. "

This is an irrelevant question, but do you also think that Iceman could freeze Apocalypse? He has the TO virus as well. Can't Apocalypse grow to a large size to counteract it? Also, couldn't Apocalypse counteract it by controlling his own molecular/atomic form?

#37 Posted by DedmanWalkin (2598 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

Did you not read my previous post? Where I specifically asked "He would need matter manipulation abilities or magic to escape, does he have those?" If someone does then they can (That is how Legion escaped) but as of yet I have not seen matter manipulation or magic powers from Bastion.

Growing Large would do nothing but make you a statue rather than a sculpture. He could freeze Hank Pym at any size.

#38 Posted by Edamame (26173 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@DedmanWalkin said:

" Did you not read my previous post? Where I specifically asked "He would need matter manipulation abilities or magic to escape, does he have those?" If someone does then they can (That is how Legion escaped) but as of yet I have not seen matter manipulation or magic powers from Bastion.

I did not answer that question because I did not know the answer. Cause and effect.

@DedmanWalkin said:

Growing Large would do nothing but make you a statue rather than a sculpture. He could freeze Hank Pym at any size. "

Okay.

#39 Posted by madrid_san (1793 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

If Iceman fullfilled all his potential, I believe he could put up a very good fight and maybe even beat Bastion. But current Iceman would lose. If he was bloodlusted, perhaps it would unlock some of his potential?
BTW just for the record, Iceman fought after he was injured and saved Psylocke from Nimrods. He was able to avoid serious injury thanks to his healing ability.

#40 Posted by madrid_san (1793 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

If Iceman fullfilled all his potential, I believe he could put up a very good fight and maybe even beat Bastion. But current Iceman would lose. If he was bloodlusted, perhaps it would unlock some of his potential?
BTW just for the record, Iceman fought after he was injured and saved Psylocke from Nimrods. He was able to avoid serious injury thanks to his healing ability.

#41 Posted by bag_o_x_men (681 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

Bobby at max, and unleashed wins this easily. Bastion doesn't even need to have water molecules. Just because he's technoorganic, doesn't , mean that he contains water. In fact IIRC, the technarchy are silicon based. The fact remains that he has molecules, which Bobby can drop to absolute zero, then dead. Obviously Bobby fighting as per his usual would get beaten. But the intent here, i believe, is Bobby at his full actualized potential, or at least as good as what Emma showed him he could be. In that instance, Bobby should stomp this.

#42 Posted by DedmanWalkin (2598 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

You can't call it Techno-Organic without water molecules present. Humans are Carbon-Based but we still have water.

#43 Posted by bag_o_x_men (681 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@DedmanWalkin:
Not necessarily true. Just being organic, doesn't necessitate water. Just because that's how it works for us, doesn't mean that's how it works in Marvel's universe, and since they aren't specifically defined as having water molecules, and are an alien entity, its possible they don't have any. Not likely, but possible. It doesn't matter, since even without it, Bobby can still do an absolute zero freeze and cause movement to cease at the molecular level. It's about heat more than water.