Battle:
Ice Man vs Human Torch
No one replied to this? It must have been done before I guess. If Bobby used his full potential, which he never does, he could be a great opponent to Torch. In a fight to the death they might end up destroying the whole world, then maybe Bobby would win. I'm going with Torch on this one though, a million degrees is pretty hot.
I'm not really posting in this because it's like the 50th time it's been done, but you guys need to think. It's more than just hot vs cold or fire vs ice.
good point i thought i was the only one who thought iceman would win but
ya its not just hot vs cold its fire and ice. fire (plasma)ice (solid but also he makes it more dense then normal) so Iceman
YA but fires plasma it can be cooled down fast cause its light so not that much of a advantage. ice is solid and when heated it extiguish flames duh.
it could vary depending on the location... if it was beside the ocean i'd say iceman and if it was in a desert i'd say torch.
GambitO is right on this one (he's not right on SS vs. Goku tho) Human Torch would win because he has better control and he can also go as hott as a super nova and melt bobby i mean all ice melts right? it would definitely melt at the temperature of a supernova right? exactly my point. HUMAN TORCH WINS
Legendary Bio Vishanti says:
"GambitO is right on this one (he's not right on SS vs. Goku tho) Human Torch would win because he has better control and he can also go as hott as a super nova and melt bobby i mean all ice melts right? it would definitely melt at the temperature of a supernova right? exactly my point. HUMAN TORCH WINS"
um yeah iceman can survive as water vapor or the moisture in the air.
Legendary Bio Vishanti says:
"GambitO is right on this one (he's not right on SS vs. Goku tho) Human Torch would win because he has better control and he can also go as hott as a super nova and melt bobby i mean all ice melts right? it would definitely melt at the temperature of a supernova right? exactly my point. HUMAN TORCH WINS"
Gambit0's almost never right. Iceman wins. He can turn Johnny into an ice cube.
i dont think so E.C. not today he can't not tomorrow maybe when iceman can beat galactus in a battle he could beat human torch
i dont think so E.C. not today he can't not tomorrow maybe when iceman can beat galactus in a battle he could beat human torch
if human torch can burn hot enough to set fire to earths atmosphere then he's hot enough to beat iceman
Iceman can freeze earth's atmosphere. Iceman can literally turn all the air into Ice. You can't kill him. Torch is dead.
Eternal Chaos says:
"Iceman can freeze earth's atmosphere. Iceman can literally turn all the air into Ice. You can't kill him. Torch is dead."
ou do know torch can do the xact oppisite of what you said
Ok, Torch can do the same, but Torch can't last forever. Eventually If Torch burns Iceman enough, Icy will be Water in its plasma form.
Iceman has manipulation of Ice.
The torch has manipulation of fire.
The only difference:
human torch is engulfed in flames
iceman IS ice.
therefore, Iceman has manipulation of his entire body.
Iceman wins.
newbs.
The Iron Cavalier says:
"Iceman has manipulation of Ice. The torch has manipulation of fire. The only difference: human torch is engulfed in flames iceman IS ice. therefore, Iceman has manipulation of his entire body. Iceman wins. newbs."
hey i say iceman can win i'm just pointing out what human torch can do
the fact that torch can set fire to a forest and it grows stronger on its own is torches major advatage, ice man cant do that, ice doesn't spread naturally, it needs cold to do it. torch could burn a whole city down without being there
Torch can start all the fires he wants, as long as there's water (in lakes, in the air, in HT's body) Iceman's fine. There are many ways for Iceman to win. Go look through all the Iceman fights (or even just the first HT vs Iceman ones).
Buckshot says:
"Torch can start all the fires he wants, as long as there's water (in lakes, in the air, in HT's *body*) Iceman's fine. There are many ways for Iceman to win. Go look through all the Iceman fights (or even just the first HT vs Iceman ones)."
Bad things are going to happen. Buckshot and I have been agreeing too much today. lol.
Eternal Chaos says:
"Buckshot says:"Torch can start all the fires he wants, as long as there's water (in lakes, in the air, in HT's *body*) Iceman's fine. There are many ways for Iceman to win. Go look through all the Iceman fights (or even just the first HT vs Iceman ones)."Bad things are going to happen. Buckshot and I have been agreeing too much today. lol. "
thats not a bad thing. lol
when ice man can put out the sun i'll let him win. there are some chemical fires that water in any form cant put out, let alone what that would do to icemans body, no matter what form
Rotten gun says:
"when ice man can put out the sun i'll let him win. there are some chemical fires that water in any form cant put out, let alone what that would do to icemans body, no matter what form "
You said chemical fires. Human Torch is a pure fire. No chemicals at all other than the air itself. Human Torch is a human set on fire. People are mostly composed of water and water is liquified Ice. Iceman can freeze Torch from the inside out. Iceman can use all of the water molecules floating around in the air to take torch out without a problem. You're not showing how Torch would win at all.
Forever says:
"Rotten gun says:"when ice man can put out the sun i'll let him win. there are some chemical fires that water in any form cant put out, let alone what that would do to icemans body, no matter what form "So youre advocating a tie? Because Torch can't do anything to Iceman."
That's what it looks like. Jimminy Crickets Batman!
Eternal Chaos says:
"Rotten gun says:"when ice man can put out the sun i'll let him win. there are some chemical fires that water in any form cant put out, let alone what that would do to icemans body, no matter what form "You said *chemical* fires. Human Torch is a pure fire. No chemicals at all other than the air itself. Human Torch is a human set on fire. People are mostly composed of *water* and water is liquified Ice. Iceman can freeze Torch from the inside out. Iceman can use all of the water molecules floating around in the air to take torch out without a problem. You're not showing how Torch would win at all."
yeah... i never said torch creates chemical fire but that doesn't mean he cant start one with "chemicals".
freezing his insides? how much water is torch made of when he's gone nova? let alone iceman getting close enough without turning into a gas himself. anyway... the earths surface is covered by 80% water? there abouts which probably only makes up a tiny piece of earth as a whole. earth its self has a flaming ball inside its self that sustains the planet, without it the planet would die. iceman cant put it out from the surface, there was an ice age and the worlds still turning, worst comes to worst torch gets to the centre, goes nova and the earth becomes a sun.
Rotten gun says:
"Eternal Chaos says:"Rotten gun says:yeah... i never said torch creates chemical fire but that doesn't mean he cant start one with "chemicals". freezing his insides? how much water is torch made of when he's gone nova? let alone iceman getting close enough without turning into a gas himself. anyway... the earths surface is covered by 80% water? there abouts which probably only makes up a tiny piece of earth as a whole. earth its self has a flaming ball inside its self that sustains the planet, without it the planet would die. iceman cant put it out from the surface, there was an ice age and the worlds still turning, worst comes to worst torch gets to the centre, goes nova and the earth becomes a sun. ""when ice man can put out the sun i'll let him win. there are some chemical fires that water in any form cant put out, let alone what that would do to icemans body, no matter what form "You said *chemical* fires. Human Torch is a pure fire. No chemicals at all other than the air itself. Human Torch is a human set on fire. People are mostly composed of *water* and water is liquified Ice. Iceman can freeze Torch from the inside out. Iceman can use all of the water molecules floating around in the air to take torch out without a problem. You're not showing how Torch would win at all."
the human body is made up of 70% water and i thing that goes the same for the torch.
Rotten gun says:
"Eternal Chaos says:"Rotten gun says:yeah... i never said torch creates chemical fire but that doesn't mean he cant start one with "chemicals". freezing his insides? how much water is torch made of when he's gone nova? let alone iceman getting close enough without turning into a gas himself. anyway... the earths surface is covered by 80% water? there abouts which probably only makes up a tiny piece of earth as a whole. earth its self has a flaming ball inside its self that sustains the planet, without it the planet would die. iceman cant put it out from the surface, there was an ice age and the worlds still turning, worst comes to worst torch gets to the centre, goes nova and the earth becomes a sun. ""when ice man can put out the sun i'll let him win. there are some chemical fires that water in any form cant put out, let alone what that would do to icemans body, no matter what form "You said *chemical* fires. Human Torch is a pure fire. No chemicals at all other than the air itself. Human Torch is a human set on fire. People are mostly composed of *water* and water is liquified Ice. Iceman can freeze Torch from the inside out. Iceman can use all of the water molecules floating around in the air to take torch out without a problem. You're not showing how Torch would win at all."
Iceman doesn't need to be crazy far to freeze Torch. The water in Torch's body stays the same so Iceman can still freeze him. You make it seem like Torch is smart enough to know what chemicals to set aflame for the fire to be more powerful. Iceman can also just freeze the air making in unaccessable for Torch.
Eternal Chaos says:
"Rotten gun says:"Eternal Chaos says:Iceman doesn't need to be crazy far to freeze Torch. The water in Torch's body stays the same so Iceman can *still* freeze him. You make it seem like Torch is smart enough to know what chemicals to set aflame for the fire to be more powerful. Iceman can also just freeze the air making in unaccessable for Torch. ""Rotten gun says:yeah... i never said torch creates chemical fire but that doesn't mean he cant start one with "chemicals". freezing his insides? how much water is torch made of when he's gone nova? let alone iceman getting close enough without turning into a gas himself. anyway... the earths surface is covered by 80% water? there abouts which probably only makes up a tiny piece of earth as a whole. earth its self has a flaming ball inside its self that sustains the planet, without it the planet would die. iceman cant put it out from the surface, there was an ice age and the worlds still turning, worst comes to worst torch gets to the centre, goes nova and the earth becomes a sun. ""when ice man can put out the sun i'll let him win. there are some chemical fires that water in any form cant put out, let alone what that would do to icemans body, no matter what form "You said *chemical* fires. Human Torch is a pure fire. No chemicals at all other than the air itself. Human Torch is a human set on fire. People are mostly composed of *water* and water is liquified Ice. Iceman can freeze Torch from the inside out. Iceman can use all of the water molecules floating around in the air to take torch out without a problem. You're not showing how Torch would win at all."
so you are sayng that torch hasn't set enough fires to know not to put chemicals, fire and water together? and so what exactly is the water in torces body doing at 10.000 degrees? it sure aint getting frozen.... unless you know something about chemistry that no one else does?
HT is still composed of flesh even when he is aflame. Although his core temp does rise, it does not reach the temperatures that his flame does. He can absorb heat in to himself and when this reaches a certain level it can result in him bursting in flame. Therefore his core temp must only reach a maximum of 750 deg. C.
As HT does not evaporate when he heats up, his body therefore still contains water.
Iceman can lower HT's body temp and in theory freeze the water in HT's body, killing him.
HT would usually overcome the cold by trying to absorb heat energy from the environment but if Iceman has plunged the surounding temp as well (out to approx 100 feet to overcome the range of HT's power), then this action to combat the cold would fail.
Encapsulating HT in Ice might not work unless the ice was sufficiently think that HT did not burn a hole through it before the trapped oxygen supply (in the bubble) was used up. Without oxygen no flame and no breathing.
Any steam would not hurt HT and if HT was at a high enough temp, the steam would not condense in to water for some time so minimising the risk that the flame would be extinguished.
Should HT be able to use his Nova Blast, Iceman may be able to counteract this as he could in theory cool the expanding wave of plasma - effectively stopping the explosion in it's tracks. I think that this might be pushing the limits of his powers (against a 1,000,000 deg. F heat source) but he should be able to mitigate it's effects and he can survive in a moisture form so no win there.
Iceman should win this.
Rotten gun says:
"Eternal Chaos says:"Rotten gun says:so you are sayng that torch hasn't set enough fires to know not to put chemicals, fire and water together? and so what exactly is the water in torces body doing at 10.000 degrees? it sure aint getting frozen.... unless you know something about chemistry that no one else does?""Eternal Chaos says:Iceman doesn't need to be crazy far to freeze Torch. The water in Torch's body stays the same so Iceman can *still* freeze him. You make it seem like Torch is smart enough to know what chemicals to set aflame for the fire to be more powerful. Iceman can also just freeze the air making in unaccessable for Torch. ""Rotten gun says:yeah... i never said torch creates chemical fire but that doesn't mean he cant start one with "chemicals". freezing his insides? how much water is torch made of when he's gone nova? let alone iceman getting close enough without turning into a gas himself. anyway... the earths surface is covered by 80% water? there abouts which probably only makes up a tiny piece of earth as a whole. earth its self has a flaming ball inside its self that sustains the planet, without it the planet would die. iceman cant put it out from the surface, there was an ice age and the worlds still turning, worst comes to worst torch gets to the centre, goes nova and the earth becomes a sun. ""when ice man can put out the sun i'll let him win. there are some chemical fires that water in any form cant put out, let alone what that would do to icemans body, no matter what form "You said *chemical* fires. Human Torch is a pure fire. No chemicals at all other than the air itself. Human Torch is a human set on fire. People are mostly composed of *water* and water is liquified Ice. Iceman can freeze Torch from the inside out. Iceman can use all of the water molecules floating around in the air to take torch out without a problem. You're not showing how Torch would win at all."
There's still water in Torch's body that's you don't seem to get. No matter what, Iceman basically controls all water molecules. and even if the water in Torch's body is vapor,Iceman can still freeze it and turn Johnny into an ice box. Iceman wins. Quick and painless.
vegeta says:
"i think it could go either way depends on surroundings orevents something like that .you know what imean"
i agree with that.. novaboy he could use the temperature of the sun but like acewasp23 said it would take out everyone else.. i think it can be an even match.
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