#1 Posted by The Killer (16 posts) - - Show Bio

Battle:

#2 Posted by Phorqe (2109 posts) - - Show Bio

No one replied to this? It must have been done before I guess. If Bobby used his full potential, which he never does, he could be a great opponent to Torch. In a fight to the death they might end up destroying the whole world, then maybe Bobby would win. I'm going with Torch on this one though, a million degrees is pretty hot.

#3 Posted by Buckshot (18915 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm not really posting in this because it's like the 50th time it's been done, but you guys need to think. It's more than just hot vs cold or fire vs ice.

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#4 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - - Show Bio

Iceman wins. He can just turn all the water in the air into ice and freeze torch

#5 Posted by Blue Nighty (374 posts) - - Show Bio

good point i thought i was the only one who thought iceman would win but

ya its not just hot vs cold its fire and ice. fire (plasma)ice (solid but also he makes it more dense then normal) so Iceman

#6 Posted by Boken (7756 posts) - - Show Bio

so many noobs

#7 Posted by Forever (4332 posts) - - Show Bio

It's sad really.

#8 Posted by Eternus (692 posts) - - Show Bio

human torch. he can go as hot as the sun or a supernova and crap. just burn iceman... duh

#9 Posted by Blue Nighty (374 posts) - - Show Bio

YA but fires plasma it can be cooled down fast cause its light so not that much of a advantage. ice is solid and when heated it extiguish flames duh.

#10 Posted by Blue Nighty (374 posts) - - Show Bio

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#11 Posted by Rotten gun (2509 posts) - - Show Bio

it could vary depending on the location... if it was beside the ocean i'd say iceman and if it was in a desert i'd say torch.

#12 Posted by GambitO (980 posts) - - Show Bio

I say that the fire is but powerful that the ice

the ice always finishes giving before the fire

so the victory is for HUMAN TORCH

#13 Posted by Legendary Bio Vishanti (3333 posts) - - Show Bio

GambitO is right on this one (he's not right on SS vs. Goku tho) Human Torch would win because he has better control and he can also go as hott as a super nova and melt bobby i mean all ice melts right? it would definitely melt at the temperature of a supernova right? exactly my point. HUMAN TORCH WINS

#14 Posted by acewasp23 (6087 posts) - - Show Bio

Legendary Bio Vishanti says:

"GambitO is right on this one (he's not right on SS vs. Goku tho) Human Torch would win because he has better control and he can also go as hott as a super nova and melt bobby i mean all ice melts right? it would definitely melt at the temperature of a supernova right? exactly my point. HUMAN TORCH WINS"

um yeah iceman can survive as water vapor or the moisture in the air.

#15 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - - Show Bio

Legendary Bio Vishanti says:

"GambitO is right on this one (he's not right on SS vs. Goku tho) Human Torch would win because he has better control and he can also go as hott as a super nova and melt bobby i mean all ice melts right? it would definitely melt at the temperature of a supernova right? exactly my point. HUMAN TORCH WINS"

Gambit0's almost never right. Iceman wins. He can turn Johnny into an ice cube.

#16 Posted by Legendary Bio Vishanti (3333 posts) - - Show Bio

i dont think so E.C. not today he can't not tomorrow maybe when iceman can beat galactus in a battle he could beat human torch

#17 Posted by Legendary Bio Vishanti (3333 posts) - - Show Bio

i dont think so E.C. not today he can't not tomorrow maybe when iceman can beat galactus in a battle he could beat human torch

#18 Posted by Rotten gun (2509 posts) - - Show Bio

if human torch can burn hot enough to set fire to earths atmosphere then he's hot enough to beat iceman

#19 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - - Show Bio

Iceman can freeze earth's atmosphere. Iceman can literally turn all the air into Ice. You can't kill him. Torch is dead.

#20 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7469 posts) - - Show Bio

Eternal Chaos says:

"Iceman can freeze earth's atmosphere. Iceman can literally turn all the air into Ice. You can't kill him. Torch is dead."

ou do know torch can do the xact oppisite of what you said

#21 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - - Show Bio

Ok, Torch can do the same, but Torch can't last forever. Eventually If Torch burns Iceman enough, Icy will be Water in its plasma form.

#22 Posted by The Iron Cavalier (231 posts) - - Show Bio

Iceman has manipulation of Ice.

The torch has manipulation of fire.

The only difference:

human torch is engulfed in flames

iceman IS ice.

therefore, Iceman has manipulation of his entire body.

Iceman wins.

newbs.

#23 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7469 posts) - - Show Bio

The Iron Cavalier says:

"Iceman has manipulation of Ice. The torch has manipulation of fire. The only difference: human torch is engulfed in flames iceman IS ice. therefore, Iceman has manipulation of his entire body. Iceman wins. newbs."

hey i say iceman can win i'm just pointing out what human torch can do

#24 Posted by Rotten gun (2509 posts) - - Show Bio

the fact that torch can set fire to a forest and it grows stronger on its own is torches major advatage, ice man cant do that, ice doesn't spread naturally, it needs cold to do it. torch could burn a whole city down without being there

#25 Posted by Buckshot (18915 posts) - - Show Bio

Torch can start all the fires he wants, as long as there's water (in lakes, in the air, in HT's body) Iceman's fine. There are many ways for Iceman to win. Go look through all the Iceman fights (or even just the first HT vs Iceman ones).

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#26 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"Torch can start all the fires he wants, as long as there's water (in lakes, in the air, in HT's *body*) Iceman's fine. There are many ways for Iceman to win. Go look through all the Iceman fights (or even just the first HT vs Iceman ones)."

Bad things are going to happen. Buckshot and I have been agreeing too much today. lol.

#27 Posted by acewasp23 (6087 posts) - - Show Bio

Eternal Chaos says:

"Buckshot says:
"Torch can start all the fires he wants, as long as there's water (in lakes, in the air, in HT's *body*) Iceman's fine. There are many ways for Iceman to win. Go look through all the Iceman fights (or even just the first HT vs Iceman ones)."
Bad things are going to happen. Buckshot and I have been agreeing too much today. lol. "

thats not a bad thing. lol

#28 Posted by Rotten gun (2509 posts) - - Show Bio

when ice man can put out the sun i'll let him win. there are some chemical fires that water in any form cant put out, let alone what that would do to icemans body, no matter what form

#29 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - - Show Bio

Rotten gun says:

"when ice man can put out the sun i'll let him win. there are some chemical fires that water in any form cant put out, let alone what that would do to icemans body, no matter what form "

You said chemical fires. Human Torch is a pure fire. No chemicals at all other than the air itself. Human Torch is a human set on fire. People are mostly composed of water and water is liquified Ice. Iceman can freeze Torch from the inside out. Iceman can use all of the water molecules floating around in the air to take torch out without a problem. You're not showing how Torch would win at all.

#30 Posted by Forever (4332 posts) - - Show Bio

Rotten gun says:

"when ice man can put out the sun i'll let him win. there are some chemical fires that water in any form cant put out, let alone what that would do to icemans body, no matter what form "

So youre advocating a tie? Because Torch can't do anything to Iceman.

#31 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - - Show Bio

Forever says:

"Rotten gun says:
"when ice man can put out the sun i'll let him win. there are some chemical fires that water in any form cant put out, let alone what that would do to icemans body, no matter what form "
So youre advocating a tie? Because Torch can't do anything to Iceman."

That's what it looks like. Jimminy Crickets Batman!

#32 Posted by Rotten gun (2509 posts) - - Show Bio

Eternal Chaos says:

"Rotten gun says:
"when ice man can put out the sun i'll let him win. there are some chemical fires that water in any form cant put out, let alone what that would do to icemans body, no matter what form "
You said *chemical* fires. Human Torch is a pure fire. No chemicals at all other than the air itself. Human Torch is a human set on fire. People are mostly composed of *water* and water is liquified Ice. Iceman can freeze Torch from the inside out. Iceman can use all of the water molecules floating around in the air to take torch out without a problem. You're not showing how Torch would win at all."

yeah... i never said torch creates chemical fire but that doesn't mean he cant start one with "chemicals".

freezing his insides? how much water is torch made of when he's gone nova? let alone iceman getting close enough without turning into a gas himself. anyway... the earths surface is covered by 80% water? there abouts which probably only makes up a tiny piece of earth as a whole. earth its self has a flaming ball inside its self that sustains the planet, without it the planet would die. iceman cant put it out from the surface, there was an ice age and the worlds still turning, worst comes to worst torch gets to the centre, goes nova and the earth becomes a sun.

#33 Posted by acewasp23 (6087 posts) - - Show Bio

Rotten gun says:

"Eternal Chaos says:
"Rotten gun says:
"when ice man can put out the sun i'll let him win. there are some chemical fires that water in any form cant put out, let alone what that would do to icemans body, no matter what form "
You said *chemical* fires. Human Torch is a pure fire. No chemicals at all other than the air itself. Human Torch is a human set on fire. People are mostly composed of *water* and water is liquified Ice. Iceman can freeze Torch from the inside out. Iceman can use all of the water molecules floating around in the air to take torch out without a problem. You're not showing how Torch would win at all."
yeah... i never said torch creates chemical fire but that doesn't mean he cant start one with "chemicals". freezing his insides? how much water is torch made of when he's gone nova? let alone iceman getting close enough without turning into a gas himself. anyway... the earths surface is covered by 80% water? there abouts which probably only makes up a tiny piece of earth as a whole. earth its self has a flaming ball inside its self that sustains the planet, without it the planet would die. iceman cant put it out from the surface, there was an ice age and the worlds still turning, worst comes to worst torch gets to the centre, goes nova and the earth becomes a sun. "

the human body is made up of 70% water and i thing that goes the same for the torch.

#34 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - - Show Bio

Rotten gun says:

"Eternal Chaos says:
"Rotten gun says:
"when ice man can put out the sun i'll let him win. there are some chemical fires that water in any form cant put out, let alone what that would do to icemans body, no matter what form "
You said *chemical* fires. Human Torch is a pure fire. No chemicals at all other than the air itself. Human Torch is a human set on fire. People are mostly composed of *water* and water is liquified Ice. Iceman can freeze Torch from the inside out. Iceman can use all of the water molecules floating around in the air to take torch out without a problem. You're not showing how Torch would win at all."
yeah... i never said torch creates chemical fire but that doesn't mean he cant start one with "chemicals". freezing his insides? how much water is torch made of when he's gone nova? let alone iceman getting close enough without turning into a gas himself. anyway... the earths surface is covered by 80% water? there abouts which probably only makes up a tiny piece of earth as a whole. earth its self has a flaming ball inside its self that sustains the planet, without it the planet would die. iceman cant put it out from the surface, there was an ice age and the worlds still turning, worst comes to worst torch gets to the centre, goes nova and the earth becomes a sun. "

Iceman doesn't need to be crazy far to freeze Torch. The water in Torch's body stays the same so Iceman can still freeze him. You make it seem like Torch is smart enough to know what chemicals to set aflame for the fire to be more powerful. Iceman can also just freeze the air making in unaccessable for Torch.

#35 Posted by Rotten gun (2509 posts) - - Show Bio

Eternal Chaos says:

"Rotten gun says:
"Eternal Chaos says:
"Rotten gun says:
"when ice man can put out the sun i'll let him win. there are some chemical fires that water in any form cant put out, let alone what that would do to icemans body, no matter what form "
You said *chemical* fires. Human Torch is a pure fire. No chemicals at all other than the air itself. Human Torch is a human set on fire. People are mostly composed of *water* and water is liquified Ice. Iceman can freeze Torch from the inside out. Iceman can use all of the water molecules floating around in the air to take torch out without a problem. You're not showing how Torch would win at all."
yeah... i never said torch creates chemical fire but that doesn't mean he cant start one with "chemicals". freezing his insides? how much water is torch made of when he's gone nova? let alone iceman getting close enough without turning into a gas himself. anyway... the earths surface is covered by 80% water? there abouts which probably only makes up a tiny piece of earth as a whole. earth its self has a flaming ball inside its self that sustains the planet, without it the planet would die. iceman cant put it out from the surface, there was an ice age and the worlds still turning, worst comes to worst torch gets to the centre, goes nova and the earth becomes a sun. "
Iceman doesn't need to be crazy far to freeze Torch. The water in Torch's body stays the same so Iceman can *still* freeze him. You make it seem like Torch is smart enough to know what chemicals to set aflame for the fire to be more powerful. Iceman can also just freeze the air making in unaccessable for Torch. "

so you are sayng that torch hasn't set enough fires to know not to put chemicals, fire and water together? and so what exactly is the water in torces body doing at 10.000 degrees? it sure aint getting frozen.... unless you know something about chemistry that no one else does?

#36 Posted by the creator (8574 posts) - - Show Bio

HT is still composed of flesh even when he is aflame. Although his core temp does rise, it does not reach the temperatures that his flame does. He can absorb heat in to himself and when this reaches a certain level it can result in him bursting in flame. Therefore his core temp must only reach a maximum of 750 deg. C.

As HT does not evaporate when he heats up, his body therefore still contains water.

Iceman can lower HT's body temp and in theory freeze the water in HT's body, killing him.

HT would usually overcome the cold by trying to absorb heat energy from the environment but if Iceman has plunged the surounding temp as well (out to approx 100 feet to overcome the range of HT's power), then this action to combat the cold would fail.

Encapsulating HT in Ice might not work unless the ice was sufficiently think that HT did not burn a hole through it before the trapped oxygen supply (in the bubble) was used up. Without oxygen no flame and no breathing.

Any steam would not hurt HT and if HT was at a high enough temp, the steam would not condense in to water for some time so minimising the risk that the flame would be extinguished.

Should HT be able to use his Nova Blast, Iceman may be able to counteract this as he could in theory cool the expanding wave of plasma - effectively stopping the explosion in it's tracks. I think that this might be pushing the limits of his powers (against a 1,000,000 deg. F heat source) but he should be able to mitigate it's effects and he can survive in a moisture form so no win there.

Iceman should win this.

#37 Posted by Blue Nighty (374 posts) - - Show Bio

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#38 Posted by Novaboy (112 posts) - - Show Bio

The temperature of the sun on the earth! GOODBYE ICEMEAN!

#39 Posted by acewasp23 (6087 posts) - - Show Bio

Novaboy says:

"The temperature of the sun on the earth! GOODBYE ICEMEAN!"

yeah and every one else so i dont think he would do that.

#40 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - - Show Bio

Rotten gun says:

"Eternal Chaos says:
"Rotten gun says:
"Eternal Chaos says:
"Rotten gun says:
"when ice man can put out the sun i'll let him win. there are some chemical fires that water in any form cant put out, let alone what that would do to icemans body, no matter what form "
You said *chemical* fires. Human Torch is a pure fire. No chemicals at all other than the air itself. Human Torch is a human set on fire. People are mostly composed of *water* and water is liquified Ice. Iceman can freeze Torch from the inside out. Iceman can use all of the water molecules floating around in the air to take torch out without a problem. You're not showing how Torch would win at all."
yeah... i never said torch creates chemical fire but that doesn't mean he cant start one with "chemicals". freezing his insides? how much water is torch made of when he's gone nova? let alone iceman getting close enough without turning into a gas himself. anyway... the earths surface is covered by 80% water? there abouts which probably only makes up a tiny piece of earth as a whole. earth its self has a flaming ball inside its self that sustains the planet, without it the planet would die. iceman cant put it out from the surface, there was an ice age and the worlds still turning, worst comes to worst torch gets to the centre, goes nova and the earth becomes a sun. "
Iceman doesn't need to be crazy far to freeze Torch. The water in Torch's body stays the same so Iceman can *still* freeze him. You make it seem like Torch is smart enough to know what chemicals to set aflame for the fire to be more powerful. Iceman can also just freeze the air making in unaccessable for Torch. "
so you are sayng that torch hasn't set enough fires to know not to put chemicals, fire and water together? and so what exactly is the water in torces body doing at 10.000 degrees? it sure aint getting frozen.... unless you know something about chemistry that no one else does?"

There's still water in Torch's body that's you don't seem to get. No matter what, Iceman basically controls all water molecules. and even if the water in Torch's body is vapor,Iceman can still freeze it and turn Johnny into an ice box. Iceman wins. Quick and painless.

#41 Posted by vegeta (4902 posts) - - Show Bio

i think it could go either way depends on surroundings orevents something like that .you know what imean

#42 Posted by girlygirl (80 posts) - - Show Bio

vegeta says:

"i think it could go either way depends on surroundings orevents something like that .you know what imean"

i agree with that.. novaboy he could use the temperature of the sun but like acewasp23 said it would take out everyone else.. i think it can be an even match.

#43 Posted by ChaosBlazer (3930 posts) - - Show Bio

iceman

#44 Posted by Pwok21 (2355 posts) - - Show Bio

Seeing as this has already been bumped, I'll post anyway.

Iceman has control over chemical reactions that pertain to heat exchange, and he has COMPLETELY nullified Sunfire's power's in the past.

The only way Johnny wins is if he has Cosmic Control Rod, but that's it.