#1 Posted by Doomnaut (1993 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk

X-Men (Pre-Schism)

Cyclops

Wolverine (Healing Factor)

Storm

Colossus

Beast

Gambit

Archangel

Scenario 1

Win by death or knockout

No prep

Morals on

Savage Hulk

Both sides start 1 mile apart

Scenario 2

Win by death or knockout

3 hours of prep for the X-Men only

Morals on

Savage Hulk

Both sides start 1 mile apart

Scenario 3

Win by death or knockout

No prep

Bloodlust on

Savage Hulk

Both sides start 1 mile apart

Setting

Who wins?

#2 Posted by Doomnaut (1993 posts) - - Show Bio

If the X-Men team isn't enough I'll add more members.

#3 Posted by TheComicPro (249 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends on how mad hulk got. If he didn't get mad then it will be a fair fight but.. if they got hulk mad then Godstomp

#4 Posted by Experio (15050 posts) - - Show Bio

I can only see Hulk winning round 1, the other two going to X-men

#5 Posted by Wolverine08 (40519 posts) - - Show Bio

Going with the X-Men.

#6 Posted by dondave (35894 posts) - - Show Bio

X-Men

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#7 Posted by green_skaar (4415 posts) - - Show Bio

Scenario 1: could go either way

Scenario 2: advantage X-men

Scenario 3: Hulk

#8 Posted by Thanofleeze (2555 posts) - - Show Bio

Archangel solos. Hahahaha... no, really, X-Men win via eventual adamantium-through-the-brains.

#9 Posted by ChildoftheAtom (488 posts) - - Show Bio

X- men first 2. Hulk 3rd

#10 Edited by New_World_Order (12895 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk...

#11 Posted by Moonman78 (1726 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk in every round here, hes done far better

#12 Posted by THUNDERBOLT30 (10237 posts) - - Show Bio
#13 Posted by adamTRMM (1515 posts) - - Show Bio

If this Archangel has his DAS feats then he wins this for the team since this isn't the most powerful incarnation of Hulk. If not, didn't WWH say to Colossus he is Savage Hulk's equal? If so, the team might pull some wins.

#14 Posted by Roddy010 (5187 posts) - - Show Bio

Storm has already battered Savage Hulk with her winds and shut his mind down twice when he was possessed by Onslaught I see no reason the same tactic couldn't be used her.

#15 Posted by Zijuun (854 posts) - - Show Bio

If Hulk is allowed to become angrier than just his savage-self, I give it to Hulk in a good fight. If not, the X-men win.

#16 Posted by God_Spawn (37560 posts) - - Show Bio

X-men can win all 3 rounds.

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#17 Posted by GhostRavage (8753 posts) - - Show Bio
#18 Posted by Baltoro (1116 posts) - - Show Bio

I suspect it would go something like that.

#19 Posted by crabtree (1619 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk wins every fight.

#20 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17124 posts) - - Show Bio

@baltoro: It was WWHulk.

It also can go like that, thanks to element of suprise Cyclops can give to Colos:

There was another battle that Hulk won, but Colos didn't have help from other X-Men.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/10/108342/2181778-955005_colossusvsabomination3_super.jpg

I can't find the comic in which X-Men fought with him, but I belive it was off panel.

Also Wolverine currently won with Hulk in Savage Wolverine #5 or 6 (I AM NOT SAYING THAT LOGAN WILL SOLO, just that it is possible, so with help of others here he should be able to use similar attack here).

My conclusions:

R1:X-Men

R2:X-Men fairy easily.

R3:Depends on how Storm will attack him. IIRC, she alread - with help (she has it here) KOd Hulk.

#21 Posted by Storm Calling (3551 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm leaning more toward the X-men for all three scenarios.

#22 Posted by eternityx (2637 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk wins all 3 7/10.

#23 Posted by Baltoro (1116 posts) - - Show Bio

Who cares what Hulk they are fighting initially? Savage Hulk can become World War Hulk (level) if you get him mad enough. Then he resumes punching X-Men to New Jersey and Connecticut like when they ACTUALLY fought in the comic.

#24 Posted by Wolverine08 (40519 posts) - - Show Bio

@baltoro said:

Who cares what Hulk they are fighting initially? Savage Hulk can become World War Hulk (level) if you get him mad enough. Then he resumes punching X-Men to New Jersey and Connecticut like when they ACTUALLY fought in the comic.

Hulk needs extreme emotional trauma to reach World Breaker heights of power............................................................................................................

#25 Edited by Wyldsong (5303 posts) - - Show Bio

@baltoro said:

Who cares what Hulk they are fighting initially? Savage Hulk can become World War Hulk (level) if you get him mad enough. Then he resumes punching X-Men to New Jersey and Connecticut like when they ACTUALLY fought in the comic.

It matters because a specific version of the Hulk was named for this battle. When specified, that is the version we use.

Regardless, it won't be easy, but I'll back the X-Men for all three rounds until convinced otherwise.

#26 Posted by green_skaar (4415 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk needs extreme emotional trauma to reach World Breaker heights of power............................................................................................................

He needed it the first time, but made the transition much easier later.

#27 Edited by Wolverine08 (40519 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08 said:

Hulk needs extreme emotional trauma to reach World Breaker heights of power............................................................................................................

He needed it the first time, but made the transition much easier later.

I know, but just don't think Hulk will be leaping into World Breaker levels of power in a random fight without some catalyst if you know what I mean.

#28 Posted by Baltoro (1116 posts) - - Show Bio

@green_skaar said:

@wolverine08 said:

Hulk needs extreme emotional trauma to reach World Breaker heights of power............................................................................................................

He needed it the first time, but made the transition much easier later.

I know, but just don't think Hulk will be leaping into World Breaker levels of power in a random fight without some catalyst if you know what I mean.

Yeah, the catalyst will be a bunch of X-men beating on him. None of those X-Men manipulate gamma radiation so they won't be able to limit him to Savage Hulk levels. He'll get slashed a few times then pick up from where he left off in WWH:

He wasn't anywhere near World Breaker levels and he manhandled them like children.

#29 Posted by Wolverine08 (40519 posts) - - Show Bio
#30 Edited by adamTRMM (1515 posts) - - Show Bio

Wolverine and Beast are irrelevant for the battle, sinse here is no PIS. Of course if this was WWH, he could only be BFRed by Storm or being fought by amped versions of Gambit, Archangel and Colossus. Actually it could be very interesting. But, no amped versions needed against the Savage Hulk.

#31 Edited by Wolverine08 (40519 posts) - - Show Bio

@adamtrmm said:

Wolverine and Beast are irrelevant for the battle, sinse here is no PIS. Of course if this was WWH, he could only be BFRed by Storm or being fought by amped versions of Gambit, Archangel and Colossus. Actually it could be very interesting. But, no amped veesions needed against the Savage Hulk.

Oh yes, Wolverine is relevant to the battle.

#32 Posted by adamTRMM (1515 posts) - - Show Bio
#33 Posted by green_skaar (4415 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh yes Wolverine is relevant to the battle.

Agreed. Outside of WW/WB, Wolverine has always been a factor to Hulk.

#34 Posted by Wolverine08 (40519 posts) - - Show Bio

@adamtrmm: The obvious. Stab Hulk and tank his hits.

#35 Edited by Wolverine08 (40519 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08 said:

Oh yes Wolverine is relevant to the battle.

Agreed. Outside of WW/WB, Wolverine has always been a factor to Hulk.

Yikes, Logan still has bad memories from that little run in with World War Hulk :D

#36 Edited by adamTRMM (1515 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08:

As I said, without PIS he shouldn't have 'tanked' above 100 toner's hits, ever.

#37 Posted by Wolverine08 (40519 posts) - - Show Bio

@adamtrmm: Just because you don't like it does not mean it's PIS. Wolverine has been tanking class 100+ hits for a long time now due to the combination of the healing factor and adamantium skeleton. It's not plot induced stupidity in the slightest mate.

#38 Posted by adamTRMM (1515 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08:

Healing factor does not increase his durability, his brain is still vulnerable to powerful blows right to his skull, which was perfectly exploited by that WWH story writer, it's like saying that CA faced his only equals because he was never squashed under his shield when he protects himself with it 'tanking' hits/blasts from powerhouses, which is a clear PIS but it's a tradition, so 'irrelevant' stuff like logic are being overlooked to make another 'cool' showing like this. The exact idea of Wolverine not getting humiliated by 100 toners, when he clearly should get punched into oblivion, is not being biased against him, just a simple logic mate.

#39 Posted by green_skaar (4415 posts) - - Show Bio

@adamtrmm said:

@wolverine08:

Healing factor does not increase his durability, his brain is still vulnerable to powerful blows right to his skull, which was perfectly exploited by that WWH story writer, it's like saying that CA faced his only equals because he was never squashed under his shield when he protects himself with it 'tanking' hits/blasts from powerhouses, which is a clear PIS but it's a tradition, so 'irrelevant' stuff like logic are being overlooked to make another 'cool' showing like this. The exact idea of Wolverine not getting humiliated by 100 toners, when he clearly should get punched into oblivion, is not being biased against him, just a simple logic mate.

CA shield is made from vibranium so it absorbs/redirects most of the kinetic energy directed at him, so it's not totally absurd he hasn't been squashed yet blocking blows.

I have no problem with Wolverine tanking blows from class-100 folks since he's been doing it for decades now. Beyond his natural durability, his adimantium skeleton and healing factor, his combat reflexes helps him minimize damage from blows even if he doesn't totally avoid them. Also keep in mind characters aren't always throwing everything they have behind every punch.

#40 Edited by Wolverine08 (40519 posts) - - Show Bio

@adamtrmm: The healing factor almost instantaneously heals any damage dealt at him through blunt force trauma. Which is what class 100+ foes give to Wolverine when they throw punches at him. Then you also have that unbreakable adamantium skeleton that redistributes impact brought upon him. What World War Hulk did to Wolverine is inconsequential to this battle at hand since we are using Savage Hulk, who has a large power disparity between. You even strength by point by bringing up World War Hulk since James tanked about 7 blows before he went unconscious. Even then, he was back reeving to go in a few pages. Hulk took out James via blunt force trauma due to being muchmore powerful than usual, and not letting Jame's brain heal by constantly bashing his head. Wolverine tanking class 100+ hits isn't plot induced stupidity. People on here use that term far too loosely to discredit feats that they just don't like. PIS is showings that contradict a character's consistent showings and abilities for the sake of plot. PIS is the 1 tonner Captain America beating up Namor. Wolverine has been consistently shown over the years to have a power set that lets him tank blows from Hulk. Key word, consistent. You not liking how durable Wolverine does not in any way make it PIS.

The exact idea of Wolverine not getting humiliated by 100 toners, when he clearly should get punched into oblivion, is not being biased against him, just a simple logic mate.

You're not going to get too far trying to put logic into a healing factor.

#41 Posted by Wolverine08 (40519 posts) - - Show Bio

@adamtrmm said:

@wolverine08:

Healing factor does not increase his durability, his brain is still vulnerable to powerful blows right to his skull, which was perfectly exploited by that WWH story writer, it's like saying that CA faced his only equals because he was never squashed under his shield when he protects himself with it 'tanking' hits/blasts from powerhouses, which is a clear PIS but it's a tradition, so 'irrelevant' stuff like logic are being overlooked to make another 'cool' showing like this. The exact idea of Wolverine not getting humiliated by 100 toners, when he clearly should get punched into oblivion, is not being biased against him, just a simple logic mate.

CA shield is made from vibranium so it absorbs/redirects most of the kinetic energy directed at him, so it's not totally absurd he hasn't been squashed yet blocking blows.

I have no problem with Wolverine tanking blows from class-100 folks since he's been doing it for decades now. Beyond his natural durability, his adimantium skeleton and healing factor, his combat reflexes helps him minimize damage from blows even if he doesn't totally avoid them. Also keep in mind characters aren't always throwing everything they have behind every punch.

Good point there.

#42 Edited by GhostRavage (8753 posts) - - Show Bio

Couldn't Hulk just punched them to different countries? He has done it before, what's stopping here for getting rid of them and solo them 1 by 1 afterwards?

Oh nvm, the would all die, leaving the all mighty Wolvie Vs. Hulk again.

#43 Edited by adamTRMM (1515 posts) - - Show Bio

@green_skaar:

I see what you mean, though they still shouldn't tank what they already have without being KOed to many times. Do you think Wolvie should be able to actaully stab beings THIS durable, acknowledging his claws are not vibranium, and the fact they are adamantium doesn't automatically mean he can accomplish the stab, because he doesn't have the strength behind it?

#44 Posted by green_skaar (4415 posts) - - Show Bio

@adamtrmm said:

@green_skaar:

I see what you mean, though they still shouldn't tank what they already have without being KOed to many times. Do you think Wolvie should be able to actaully stab beings THIS durable, acknowledging his claws are not vibranium, and the fact they are adamantium doesn't automatically mean he can accomplish the stab, because he doesn't have the strength behind it?

I suppose it depends on just how sharp the claws are. The sharper the points, the less pressure needed to be exerted. Wolverine has had trouble piercing/scratching durable folks in some cases. Thor has had just minor scratches after one of his encounters and Wolverine has noted that Hulk has become harder and harder to pierce as his durability went up with anger. In fact in Wolverine's first fight with Hulk he couldn't pierce him at all, this later changed however.

#45 Posted by green_skaar (4415 posts) - - Show Bio

Couldn't Hulk just punched them to different countries? He has done it before, what's stopping here for getting rid of them and solo them 1 by 1 afterwards?

Oh nvm, the would all die, leaving the all mighty Wolvie Vs. Hulk again.

Or toss them one by one to the moon! ;-)

#46 Posted by Wolverine08 (40519 posts) - - Show Bio

@adamtrmm said:

@green_skaar:

I see what you mean, though they still shouldn't tank what they already have without being KOed to many times. Do you think Wolvie should be able to actaully stab beings THIS durable, acknowledging his claws are not vibranium, and the fact they are adamantium doesn't automatically mean he can accomplish the stab, because he doesn't have the strength behind it?

Comic book writers could care less about physics.

#47 Edited by green_skaar (4415 posts) - - Show Bio

@adamtrmm said:

@green_skaar:

I see what you mean, though they still shouldn't tank what they already have without being KOed to many times. Do you think Wolvie should be able to actaully stab beings THIS durable, acknowledging his claws are not vibranium, and the fact they are adamantium doesn't automatically mean he can accomplish the stab, because he doesn't have the strength behind it?

Comic book writers could care less about physics.

What is Wolverine's upper strength limit by the way? Sometimes you just need to be "strong enough" not as stronger or stronger to accomplish a task.

#48 Posted by Wolverine08 (40519 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08 said:

@adamtrmm said:

@green_skaar:

I see what you mean, though they still shouldn't tank what they already have without being KOed to many times. Do you think Wolvie should be able to actaully stab beings THIS durable, acknowledging his claws are not vibranium, and the fact they are adamantium doesn't automatically mean he can accomplish the stab, because he doesn't have the strength behind it?

Comic book writers could care less about physics.

What is Wolverine's upper strength limit by the way? Sometimes you just need to be "strong enough" not as stronger or stronger to accomplish a task.

He's a 2 ton low level superhuman. Then you have to factor in that with all the times that James has run into Hulk, he probably knows exactly how to cut him.

#49 Posted by green_skaar (4415 posts) - - Show Bio

He's a 2 ton low level superhuman. Then you have to factor in that with all the times that James has run into Hulk, he probably knows exactly how to cut him.

Thanks and good point. Styles make fights, as well as experience.

#50 Posted by adamTRMM (1515 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08:

I told I'm not biased, why do you keep repeating that? :) we're talking about street leveler agaist the powerhouse here that's the main point.

@green_skaar:

Ok, thanks for the points I still think he shouldn't be a factor :)