@ancient_0f_days:
My point by bringing the example was that Hulk has had some serious feats too, ones that don't make him an easy opponent. Most people say that he's just a brick who can be easily beaten by speed, which is not always true. as for the feat, I'm certain hulk can destroy a planet, and here's why: While I understand what you are saying, and you do have a point, however the circumstances around feats give us the freedom to make valid assumptions and conclusions, which in this case, is what I'm doing. It was a dual feat, I'm not arguing that, but does it mean hulk can't do it on his own? no, it doesn't. You see at this point hulk had reached a stage of unlimited power as he was spewing gamma radiation from all directions, and not only that, he was the ONE who actually amped she hulk. Red she hulk was feeding of hulks residual energies. Now by observing what had been stated before the actual event, it's safe to assume that Hulk can in fact do the feat on his own. There had been many instances where it was stated that Hulk can in fact destroy a planet, and after learning that there were no innocent people there, hulk had nothing to hold him back anymore. It's also worthwhile to consider that the planet was destroyed by a clash, not by a direct hit. Hulk and Betty punched each other which is exactly what was the force which led to the planets destruction, which shows clearly that hulk could in fact do it.
The whole event had been leading up to it, it was the climax of the story, and the writer himself believed that hulk could in fact accomplish this feat, so I see no reason not to believe it.
While your assumption is understandable, if I were to say so myself, then I'd be contradicting myself when I make a similarly understandable speculation about other characters who are similarly strong but don't directly have a planet busting feat. I will not deny that it is in fact possible for Hulk to do such damage to an earth-like solar body by himself, but I myself will not say he can bust a planet on his own as if it were decisively or definitively so. This is where we arrive at an impasse, I'll opt to agree to disagree since although you seem to have all the proof you need to assume so...I do not.
@ancient_0f_days:
you misunderstood me, and that's my fault. My point wasn't that Hulk could destroy a planet because he fought "some powerful guys", my point came back to the Wonder Woman Vs Hulk debate. My point was, that even as a powerhouse who was significantly weaker at a base in the old days, had managed to fight really, REALLY powerful beings, which implies that hulk has enough durability to fight someone formidable as wonder woman by taking a lot of punishment. What hulk lacks in speed, he makes up for it in durability, power and healing factor. That was the idea behind me stating what hulks numerous feats. If hulk can take blows from beings who have the power to destroy planets you better believe that I'll use it in a debate :P.
As for the Zeus instances, that only further strengthens my point on how hulks other abilities allows him to fight powerful beings. The fight, had sapped hulks power significantly, his durability, strength and healing rate had diminished terribly, to the point where he was unable to fight off a foreign organism despite the fact that he was able to overpower a point that was getting stronger with his own anger and the alien spikes on planet sakaar. (which spread throughout your body like a vine and mutate you). This shows of that even at it's worst hulks power are still very intact Now imagine it becoming stronger with each passing punch. ( again, I apologize for my cryptic argument, I was in a slight hurry).
Oh I understood that part about his ability to take hits from planet busters, but i did misunderstand your point for referencing them. It's clearer now though. I understood your point, about how Hulk can fight beings much more powerful than him, I never disputed that...my point was that he cannot fight evenly with some them despite his abilities...They will keep him in the game, but that's the best he can do against some opponents and it isn't enough. (No need to apologize though...but I understand)
I'm not using the eventually argument, because frankly that's just too debatable and it would mean that hulk will EVENTUALLY win every battle, which is false. But Wonder woman decapitate hulk? that's something I can't agree with simply because savage hulk in particular has resisted magic swords before, and such equipment, and generally savage hulk is very resistant to sharp objects unless it's old-power charged or adamantium. Besides, is it in character for wonder woman to just decapitate hulk in whim? I'm asking this because so far as i know, she only kills if she needs too, and i doubt she'll go into rage mode right away at the start of the fight. I'm unfamiliar with wonder womans stamina, but i know that savage hulk can practically go on forever. But to avoid confusion I'll clarify that this refers to specific Hulks, Not every hulk can fight forever, such as professor hulk who gets tired in a couple of days. Savage and Gravage don't get tired during their fight, quite the contrary. So wonder woman has to really destroy hulk in the first few minutes at the begging of the fight, because Savage hulk won't get tired, and he'll just get stronger and stronger. and again, i ask, does she splibtz right away? Or does she do it if she really needs to?
I know you aren't but it's been presented by someone one way or another in every single battle. On the subject of decapitation, Wonder Woman decapitated an Imperiex probe that Superman was almost evenly matched with and had no hope of actually defeating on his own. The lasso was used to kill probes twice Wonder Woman killed the first, her mother killed another the same way. Hulk resisting magic swords is irrelevant since none match the Sword of Hephaestus, stated to cleave electrons from atoms. The tiara was made in the same fashion which is why it can cut through practically anything. Hulk shouldn't be able to just be one of the only things if not the only non-magical thing that the Tiara cannot cut through especially when he's been cut by less. I'm not saying Diana would got off on Hulk and just cut his head off from the start, I'm saying that it is an obvious option considering the fact that eventually he'd get to the point where punches don't phase him....once that happens, I see no reason why she wouldn't attempt killing him in such a way. She does indeed kill if she needs to but this is one if these situations where she'd come to that conclusion once all other options have failed.
As far as stamina goes, there are no instances that i can recall where Diana grew tired as a result of fatigue, she either gets knocked down or out due to the fact that her body doesn't produce lactic acids in her muscles. Wonder Woman and Superman spent 1000 years in Valhalla fighting a mystical war for centuries on end until the final battle where they took time to rest, it isn't stated that they took many breaks in between that time frame accept when Thor died momentarily and Superman was given Mjolnir. There aren't many examples of Wonder Woman fighting for extensive periods of time that I know of off the top of my head so that may be the best example I can give you, but I assure you that she can go as long as Hulk can although she won't be getting stronger. There are a few examples that I've seen where Wonder Woman does in fact speed blitz right away, she blitzed Power-Trip (a random brick), Amazo, Genocide and she blitzed people with the OMAC virus but in the case of most of her fights she's either fighting someone nearly as fast, someone faster or someone she doesn't want to hurt badly cus they're friends, she could potentially kill this person or for plot reasons. In some other cases however where she doesn't blitz right off the bat it is because she was holding back, like how she was against the sons of Gaea before she blitzed them faster than thought.
@ancient_0f_days:
Speed is very relevant I agree, however what I'm trying to say is that Hulk may have a shot depending on how wonder woman deals with this, if she decides to punch 10000 times a second she'll probably win this. I brought in durability and healing factor because it's, not matter how you look at it, important in any fight, while speed will always be regarded as being the superior trait, other abilities have to be considered. Wonder Woman would have been regard as way initially stronger than the hulk, and some time ago I would probably have agreed with that, but right now hulk has considerably grown in power, his base of durability and strength is much higher than he use to be, so again, wonder woman has to either put him down quickly or her attacks will no longer matter, and then the fight will be reduced to wonder woman punching hulk, whereas hulk won't be able to react.
Of course durability and healing factor are important, I do not dispute that nor do I discount it and I consider them as much as they should be. I however have not seen where Hulk at current base is stronger than Wonder Woman, I understand his power has indeed grown but I cannot say how far in comparison. But if it gets drawn out I do agree that there is a chance at a potential stalemate..if Wonder Woman doesn't successfully cut his head off or BFR him that is.
@ancient_0f_days:
Either ways though, I agree, Wonder Woman will take the majority of wins over that hulk, but against savage hulk I will not agree that she can flat out own him and stomp him, because she can't.
as for my harshness, I want this to be a civil conversation since I consider you to be an amazing debater and I do not wish to come off as a d*ck , because have a tenancy to do so.
Thank you for your time ^_^.
I know, she can't stomp Hulk...I wouldn't say simply "because she can't", but obviously there are a few things stomping her from stomping, in order for her to do she'd have to take him out completely which is much easier said than done (even if she were to attempt decapitation, I can't say it'd be as easy as it seemed when she did it to the probe or Deimos). Depending on how she does about it since her morals are on she cannot stomp with physical force alone, Hulks healing factor and durability should keep her from stomping anyway and that is probably what makes almost any fight he's in somewhat fair. But even if it isn't a stomp, I will state that it will almost always be one-sided which is not the same thing. Diana can hit him all day and even if Hulk doesn't go down or doesn't even feel it, he can't react fast enough to hit her back without her blocking it. She can BFR him and can potentially decapitate him, but the chances of Hulk actually laying hands on Diana are too slim for it not to be one-sided IMO
Hey, it's civil as long as no one is throwing names around which is damn near impossible in a debate between people like us. Thanks for the complement, my thoughts exactly ;) ... just kidding, I think the same of you moreso than I do myself. Honestly though I don't mind if you come off as a d*ck purposefully of not (you obviously weren't) cus I know you aren't a d*ck. I come off as a d*ck whenever cus I am occasionally in the mood to be an assertive/aggressive/abrasive/@sshole, over the top, d*ck (A_O_D) with a dash of sarcasm...that's just me, I'd tell you ask anyone around here but I'm sure you know by now, and I know when someone is being a dick, you were not and as far as I know you do not have a tendency to come off as a d*ck whether you know it or not.
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