Hulk vs Superman

@tarandriel: listen, clearly we aren't going to agree on anything, we might as well agree to disagree.

@deathandgrim:

Really? I suggest you re-read the story if you think that.

Batman was punching Superman with a kryptonite ring with barely any effect, while Superman was holding back as much as he could. In fact, Batman admitted:

1 - Superman is holding back as much as possible, and using the minimum force and least dangerous attacks, while fighting the mind control.

2 - He would break his own bones if he continues punching him. With a kryptonite ring. With Supes remaning just fine.

3 - If Superman wanted to, he could kill him in an instant and there's absolutely nothing Batman could do about it.

And how did the fight end? Supes finally got a bit angry, and Bats was one second away from becoming a human pancake. which we was completely powerless to prevent in any way.

Luckily for him, Catwoman enacted the plan to break the mind control at that exact moment, since Bats correctly assumed Supes would pick saving lives over killing some guy in a bat suit even when mind-controlled and ordered to kill.

Saying Batman beat up Superman in Hush is ridiculous. At best you could say he found a way to beat Ivy's mind control.

@thedailybagel:

I agree.

Nice to have a discussion with someone polite.

Cheers.

I know, just saying, it happened.

Superman wins this.

Great fight as always, but at the end of the Day, Superman takes it, no matter what the outcome of the Hulk is

Superman goes back in time and kills Bruce banner before exposed to Gamma.

Let this thread die...

@thedailybagel: Speculation? When has Gladiator's heat vision cauterized a hole in the cosmos? Darkseid has taken control of the entire Greek Pantheon in the past. DC Ares is already a problem for Hulk.

If you believe Darkseid isn't skyfather level, you really have a problem.

Knowing how to fight does help. Superman defeated both Ultraman (a character with similar strenght who was able to lift a book with infinite pages by himself, something Superman did with Captain Marvel) and Superwoman with his skills including pressure points. He used that on New Krypton as well, on a Kryptonian.

It matters. Whether you like it or not.

@deathandgrim: Wow. Out of context my friend. Superman was controlled by Ivy and Batman punched him with Kryptonite then went hiding because it barely stopped him. Superman was holding back while being controlled. Batman had to throw Lois Lane off a building because he knew he couldn't beat him. Read the whole thing next time...

@shadowhuntr: I don't know what your talking about, I haven't spoke to you in this thread for ages, I honestly don't know what your talking about but I'll try to understand.

"Speculation? When has Gladiator's heat vision cauterized a hole in the cosmos? Darkseid has taken control of the entire Greek Pantheon in the past. DC Ares is already a problem for Hulk."

What? Please quote my post so I know what your referring too.

"If you believe Darkseid isn't skyfather level, you really have a problem."

Well I didn't, but now I do considering what's recently been revealed about his character.

I really have a problem do I? For thinking a relatively featless character (don't cry, I said relatively) wasn't at skyfather level PRIOR to what's been revealed about him? Sure, whatever you'd like to believe.

"Knowing how to fight does help. Superman defeated both Ultraman (a character with similar strenght who was able to lift a book with infinite pages by himself, something Superman did with Captain Marvel) and Superwoman with his skills including pressure points. He used that on New Krypton as well, on a Kryptonian."

Of course knowing how to fight helps, when your not in the quadrillion tons range of course. Just so you know pressure points don't work on hulk, iron fist (who is a much greater fighter than Clark) tried and realised pressure points don't affect him.

He beat a kryptonian using pressure points? Well that's cool isn't it? Especially since kryptonians have the exact same physiology as hulk don't they? And let's not forget that they're immune to pressure points as well, just like hulk.

"It matters. Whether you like it or not"

Not as much as you think it does, not to mention that hulk isn't exactly shabby in the fighting department himself.

Anyway, I'm done with superman vs hulk threads, if you want to reply to this do so in a PM.

Why does this go on? Superman, if he plays his cards right, would stomp. And if he didn't and just went up to brawl, he would still win handily.

Wut

Clark

@night_raven: this fight is just a brawl, the op says that.

@dondave: in a straight up brawl?

Clark both rounds.

While Speed blitz has been restricted, it doesn't mean Hulk will be able to freely hit Clark. Supes can still use his speed here and can easily deliver multiple blows while evading whatever Hulk throws at him. Hulk will have to get extremely creative if he wants to land some hits

Superman would win due to him being able to see things in a nanosecond. The Hulk punches is to way way to low for that. He is not touching Superman when it come to that.

@shadowhuntr: The question was "when was he canonically beat up by Batman?" and I gave an answer. You're assuming I didn't read Hush or missed a clue or context but I assure you I didn't.

The whole idea that Bats could even punch Supes without shattering every bone in his arm is pretty silly in the first place. Considering the exponential strength and durability difference.

@thedailybagel: oh fair enough, didn't notice the OP explicitly state that. I would still side with Supes on the basis of consistent striking/strength and invulnerability feats (assuming this means speed is equalised, no other powers like heat vision etc). Also with his strength, Clark is still strong enough to throw things at Hulk with enough force to hurt him that his flight still pans out as an advantage despite lacking his other powers.

@deathandgrim: Oh, okay. Sorry. But I don't consider this Batman beating up Superman.

It is silly when Superman told him before not to punch him to prevent him from having his arm broken.

@night_raven: to each his own. I feel hulk could take on Clark handily in a straight up brawl but I'm not really in the mood for superman vs hulk debates anymore. It always involves one side attacking the other and is frankly done to death.

Little bit of info though, IMO hulk has superman outclassed in the physical department, but that's just my 2 cents.

@thedailybagel: There's your quote and it happened 7 days ago.... lol

You should have known that Darkseid was Skyfather. If you haven't read about him, why were you debating about him not being Skyfather in the first place? Just don't debate about characters you don't know.

Oh, Iron Fist tried but didn't work? Oh my God. You do know the difference in strenght between the two, right? Iron Fist wouldn't even be able to use pressure points on Ultraman because he doesn't have the strenght to do so. Superman does. You are comparing two really different characters. Superman still learned from one of the best martial artist in the DC Universe.

What? Kryptonians are immuned to pressure points? Then how was Kal-El able to beat a Kryptonian while using them?

The physiology doesn't matter when you've got a guy who can move planets using that type of fighting. And no, I won't reply in a PM when you decided to post this message. I'm not writting this message for you. But to everybody.

And no, Hulk doesn't have the edge in the physical departement. I know about ''If Hulk's mad enough, he can be as strong as Superman or even stronger''. Well, Superman never had a limit to his power either.

@thedailybagel: yeaah totally agree this has been done to death and back. I feel like it comes down to which of their feats you consider 'consistent' for them as obviously both have had embarrassing moments which most people would consider wrong for either character, so I'm sure some of it comes down to which character you'd want to win (like I'd admit to being predisposed to Supes). Either way the answer is always going to be in debate depending on which version/what conditions are being used.

@shadowhuntr: considering you misread my post and dont understand sarcasm we should probably end it here.

@night_raven: totally agree. Good to talk to someone polite.

@shadowhuntr said:

@deathandgrim: Oh, okay. Sorry. But I don't consider this Batman beating up Superman.

It is silly when Superman told him before not to punch him to prevent him from having his arm broken.

Funny thing is I was looking for this scan to put in my post to go along with what I said lol

Hulk wins, unlimited strength

In a death battle, Superman wins. He can fly at close to the speed of light, he thinks very fast and is able to understand things in a second, he has a vast amount of strength via solar energy, and much more.

In Strength, Superman wins outright, while Hulk does become stronger the angrier he gets, Superman strength doubles every few minutes he's inside the sun, which means while it may take a while for Hulk to get angrier and thus stronger, a few minutes in the sun would double Superman's strength, giving Superman the advantage of being able to get stronger, faster than Hulk ever can. Therefore, Superman would beat Hulk outright in a test of strength, no matter how angry Hulk becomes.

In Speed, Superman obviously wins

In Intelligence, Superman obviously wins

In every other category imaginable, Superman beats Hulk.

bro hulk is stronger for sure thats why they call him strongest there is superman no called is he get ur facts right bro hulk has had battle with super and guess who won hulk HULK SMASH FOR LIFE NIGGAS

hulk ftw

There are so many people who are stronger than Hulk and Superman is one of them.

Superman still wins

I don't think we've seen the full extent of New 52 Superman's powers.

Hulk Vs New 52 Superman: Hulk 6-7/10

Hulk Vs Superman: Superman 7-9/10

Hulk will win

not sure in what world the hulk could take supes

Hulk doesnt stand a chance against Superman he just too strong . On marvel earth He may be the strongest but not visits .

Hulk, Superman lost to Doomsday with all of his powers what makes you think that supers, and I know that was a long time ago and but I have not see enough proof to put Superman on Hulks level of PURE STRENGTH brawling

superman decapitates hulk with just 1 punch. Hulk's power is limitless but supes sun dips which will make him grow stronger as well. How do you think prime 1 million existed.

Superman, easily.

Tweety Bird solos

@night_raven:

Why Hulk no smash?

@jagernutt: Same reason he lost to Sun God in New Avengers, except this Superman is even stronger, faster, and has so many powers to put him down.

@night_raven: op said its just a brawl meaning no heat vision freeze breath or dipped blitz. Hulk has beaten a lot of people in brawls that are around supermans level but the second superman is mentioned he loses badly or its a stomp

@alakemega123: Sure, sorry the scan was a heat vision one - with Supes' striking power he would be able to get the same effect through punching. I'm pretty sure this has already been covered in a lot of detail from both sides in this thread. He's got very impressive striking feats, like punching Wonder Woman from near the Sun back to Earth, knocking her out in doing so. I'd accept that he may have less consistent durability, but on the high end basis I think he outclasses Hulk.

Plus Superman can still fly in this fight.

@ancient_0f_days: the hulk got a hole blown in his chest by gladiator by rays and still was walking

@superhulk8642:

Hulk galaxy world stomps