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#1 Posted by loadofmilark (196 posts) - - Show Bio

savage hulk

vs

captain cold

prometheus

the joker

lex luthor

taskmaster

black manta

team have 1 week prep and have 3 hours prior to rig the battle field win by ko,incapacitation or death

#2 Posted by Kovak (748 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd say team.

Cap's cold fields are likely to deal major damage to the Hulk as well as slow him down a hell of a lot. Prometheus and Taskmaster will be able to strike him like a pair of fleas.

Lex in his battle suit may be able to go toe-to-toe with old Jade Jaws. Black Manta is an Atlantian (I think) so has that physiology, may be able to get in some damage too.

The Joker will play a major part in rigging the field. He has some insane deathtraps that could cause the Hulk some major problems.

#3 Posted by protectyournose (908 posts) - - Show Bio

This is kind of a mismatch. lol

Hulk would smash all of em into tiny bits.

#4 Posted by loadofmilark (196 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kovak: says onhis page he's human but i thought he was atlantian too tbh

#5 Posted by Kovak (748 posts) - - Show Bio

@protectyournose: You're discounting their prep and their tech.

@loadofmilark: But isn't Aqualad his son? How dafuq?

#6 Posted by rpottage (672 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1 6/10. Joker kills his own team 4/10.

#7 Posted by rpottage (672 posts) - - Show Bio

Sorry, team. Not team 1.

#8 Posted by loadofmilark (196 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kovak: he was given powers by xebel who ever they are

#9 Posted by Kovak (748 posts) - - Show Bio

@loadofmilark: "He"? Who is "he"? There are several "he"s in this battle.

#10 Posted by XImpossibruX (5029 posts) - - Show Bio

hulk 10/10

#11 Posted by XMen1963 (484 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kovak said:

I'd say team.

Cap's cold fields are likely to deal major damage to the Hulk as well as slow him down a hell of a lot. Prometheus and Taskmaster will be able to strike him like a pair of fleas.

Lex in his battle suit may be able to go toe-to-toe with old Jade Jaws. Black Manta is an Atlantian (I think) so has that physiology, may be able to get in some damage too.

The Joker will play a major part in rigging the field. He has some insane deathtraps that could cause the Hulk some major problems.

#12 Posted by loadofmilark (196 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kovak: aqualad since you were wondering how he's black manta's son if black mantas human

#13 Posted by Kovak (748 posts) - - Show Bio

@loadofmilark: I see. Makes sense.

#14 Posted by Dextersinister (5102 posts) - - Show Bio

Lex could come up with a formula that would kill the Hulk in a week probably already has something that could do it. The Hulks been taken out by lesser minds in the comics, the only reason he survives is because they have always wanted him for research purposes.

#15 Posted by loadofmilark (196 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump

#16 Posted by TheAcidSkull (15947 posts) - - Show Bio

hulk

#17 Posted by Onemoreposter (3564 posts) - - Show Bio

Team wins. If Cap Cold hits Hulk with a freeze ray he's done. Those beams render anyone inside to the temperature of absolute zero. That means death for the Hulk. Hell, it would mean death for Superman. The team definitely gives Cold the time to hit him too. You didn't specify, but if Lex is in his powered armor he can probably take Hulk on for awhile all by himself.

#18 Posted by TheAcidSkull (15947 posts) - - Show Bio
Hulks limitless strength

@Onemoreposter said:

Team wins. If Cap Cold hits Hulk with a freeze ray he's done. Those beams render anyone inside to the temperature of absolute zero. That means death for the Hulk. Hell, it would mean death for Superman. The team definitely gives Cold the time to hit him too. You didn't specify, but if Lex is in his powered armor he can probably take Hulk on for awhile all by himself.

NOPE!

#19 Edited by Bane_of_sith (2700 posts) - - Show Bio

The temperature of Space is Close to absolute zero (-455 degrees F) which hulk can and has survived,,,also temps hotter than the sun...hulk stomps,,he would destroy lex in his suit as well..anyone else on this team is done hulk 10/10. Absolute zero is -459.67

#20 Posted by Bo88gdan (4374 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk smash them super easy :D

#21 Posted by Billy Batson (56951 posts) - - Show Bio

Team especially with prep. Snort could do it without it by himself though.
BB

#22 Posted by Onemoreposter (3564 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheAcidSkull said:

Hulks limitless strength

@Onemoreposter said:

Team wins. If Cap Cold hits Hulk with a freeze ray he's done. Those beams render anyone inside to the temperature of absolute zero. That means death for the Hulk. Hell, it would mean death for Superman. The team definitely gives Cold the time to hit him too. You didn't specify, but if Lex is in his powered armor he can probably take Hulk on for awhile all by himself.

NOPE!

Don't see the words ABSOLUTE ZERO on that page. Nothing IRL can survive that. It's never been stated that the Hulk can. Maybe you might want to look up the term absolute zero and the character Cap Cold to get a better understanding of things.

#23 Posted by TheAcidSkull (15947 posts) - - Show Bio

@Onemoreposter: Hulk has been in space, which quite close to absolute zero, and he had no damage at all

#24 Posted by DocFatalis (1419 posts) - - Show Bio

Mismatch to me: Lex Luthor+a one week prep against someone who got his powers from radiations=butchery.

#25 Posted by Biza (32 posts) - - Show Bio

@DocFatalis said:

Mismatch to me: Lex Luthor+a one week prep against someone who got his powers from radiations=butchery.

Lex Luthor has had a life time of prep against Superman, and knows his weakness. *kryptonite* virtually makes him a weak homeless man that hasn't had any sustenance besides whiskey for a month and still cant get the job done. Hulk curb stomps this team.

#26 Posted by DocFatalis (1419 posts) - - Show Bio

@Biza said:

@DocFatalis said:

Mismatch to me: Lex Luthor+a one week prep against someone who got his powers from radiations=butchery.

Lex Luthor has had a life time of prep against Superman, and knows his weakness. *kryptonite* virtually makes him a weak homeless man that hasn't had any sustenance besides whiskey for a month and still cant get the job done. Hulk curb stomps this team.

Yes, and Superman has had a lifetime to get rid of a mere man he could have thrown into the sun without a sweat. Yet the mere man in question became president of the USA.

Wanna talk about comics logic and defeats necessary for the story to keep on going?

#27 Posted by Biza (32 posts) - - Show Bio

@DocFatalis said:

@Biza said:

@DocFatalis said:

Mismatch to me: Lex Luthor+a one week prep against someone who got his powers from radiations=butchery.

Lex Luthor has had a life time of prep against Superman, and knows his weakness. *kryptonite* virtually makes him a weak homeless man that hasn't had any sustenance besides whiskey for a month and still cant get the job done. Hulk curb stomps this team.

Yes, and Superman has had a lifetime to get rid of a mere man he could have thrown into the sun without a sweat. Yet the mere man in question became president of the USA.

Wanna talk about comics logic and defeats necessary for the story to keep on going?

Im glad you read my post, now read the one I quoted.

Powers from radiation - butchery.

Superman + kryptonite - butchery

See the comparison, yet I don't think Ive seen a Lex Luthor vs superman with the outcome in Luthors favor. but he was a President!

Ive never seen Lex study gamma radiation, Bruce Banner has his entire life. Finally it seems in the latest hulk comic he found a cure for the hulk (yet to be proven but hinted)... That only took a lifetime of dedication, but Lex does have a week..... Maybe he could make some sort of State of the Union pistol and bfr Hulk back to Banner?

#28 Posted by Strider92 (15272 posts) - - Show Bio

With a week of prep the human team can do it.

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#29 Posted by DocFatalis (1419 posts) - - Show Bio

@Biza: It's either you don't understand what I posted or voluntarily ignore the logic implied. In both cases, this is going to be an extremely boring conversation, so have a nice Sunday, my roast is almost ready.

#30 Edited by Biza (32 posts) - - Show Bio

@DocFatalis:

Yes I understand what you posted, let me grab a crayon. Lex vs Superman, Superman is no longer vulnerable to Kryptonite. Superman has some form of weakness but It would take a lifetime of research to figure out how to exploit it. Lex Luthor has 1 week of prep time with the help of a bunch of worthless goons that have no mind for science or teamwork. Now replace Superman with Hulk.

Now...

Lex vs Hulk. Hulk has some form of weakness but It would take a lifetime of research to figure out how to exploit it. Lex Luthor has 1 week of prep time with the help of a bunch of worthless goons that have no mind for science or strategy. Who wins?

Comic book logic

Lex Is almost useless but would be the only strategy there is

Captain cold .... seriously?

The Joker.........really?

Taskmaster, really neat character. can mimic any attack, besides superhuman strength.

Black manta, what a 2 - 5 tonner?

Prometheus = their only hope, ghost key.

vs savage hulk

Baseline 100 tonner, no upper limits possibly 1000. Healing factor that can recover from any wound almost immediately, Durability on par with most 125ers baseline.

Enjoy the roast.

#31 Posted by Dextersinister (5102 posts) - - Show Bio

@Biza said:

@DocFatalis said:

@Biza said:

@DocFatalis said:

Mismatch to me: Lex Luthor+a one week prep against someone who got his powers from radiations=butchery.

Lex Luthor has had a life time of prep against Superman, and knows his weakness. *kryptonite* virtually makes him a weak homeless man that hasn't had any sustenance besides whiskey for a month and still cant get the job done. Hulk curb stomps this team.

Yes, and Superman has had a lifetime to get rid of a mere man he could have thrown into the sun without a sweat. Yet the mere man in question became president of the USA.

Wanna talk about comics logic and defeats necessary for the story to keep on going?

Im glad you read my post, now read the one I quoted.

Powers from radiation - butchery.

Superman + kryptonite - butchery

See the comparison, yet I don't think Ive seen a Lex Luthor vs superman with the outcome in Luthors favor. but he was a President!

Ive never seen Lex study gamma radiation, Bruce Banner has his entire life. Finally it seems in the latest hulk comic he found a cure for the hulk (yet to be proven but hinted)... That only took a lifetime of dedication, but Lex does have a week..... Maybe he could make some sort of State of the Union pistol and bfr Hulk back to Banner?

There are 3 important things that have prevented Lex from killing Superman in the past none of which the Hulk can depend on, Superman himself is also a genius and has used this to to resolve quite a few of Lex's schemes, Superman has depended on his friends and allies at times to help him but the Hulk has no one in this battle and last but definitely not least Superman is Lex's biggest weakness, his obsession with Superman and need to prove to Superman that he is superior has allowed Clark to survive encounters that Lex would have ended much sooner for any other opponent.

There is a massive massive difference between developing a cure that will allow Banner to become human with no lethal side effects and simply developing away to turn an already naturally unstable creatures own biology against it.

#32 Posted by Simon_the_digger (2622 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk

#33 Posted by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

@DocFatalis said:

@Biza said:

@DocFatalis said:

Mismatch to me: Lex Luthor+a one week prep against someone who got his powers from radiations=butchery.

Lex Luthor has had a life time of prep against Superman, and knows his weakness. *kryptonite* virtually makes him a weak homeless man that hasn't had any sustenance besides whiskey for a month and still cant get the job done. Hulk curb stomps this team.

Yes, and Superman has had a lifetime to get rid of a mere man he could have thrown into the sun without a sweat. Yet the mere man in question became president of the USA.

Wanna talk about comics logic and defeats necessary for the story to keep on going?

I agree with you on the prep thing for Luthor, it would be decisive, but seriously? did you just compare Lex not being able to finish Supes to the vice versa? Supes doesn't kill, Supes is the goody two shoes, obviously he will have trouble stopping Lex without burning him to death with some Heat vision, because he has to go through the legal parameters. Bad analogy.

But I do agree with the rest - Luthor and one week of prep? + Captain Cold? Hulk is toasted

#34 Posted by DocFatalis (1419 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jorgevy: I over did it on purpose. My point is the following: Superman has a million different ways to neutralize Luthor for good, even legally (think about the kind of evidences someone who sees through walls, has access to the most incredibly advanced technologies and hears everything could do for building up a file), but it's not going to happen because then the story (and money maker, and dream machine) would end. Same with Luthor finally utilizing the K weakness successfully.

#35 Posted by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

@DocFatalis: yeah Luthor won't kill Supes because you don't kill the hero, unless you intend to revive it next summer. But, although I agree Supes could do more, Im not sure how much that "more" he can do will help because of the way legal systems seem to be handled in comic books. but that's a different type of discussions - the thing to retain is that obviously we can't account a nemesis not finishing of the hero or vice versa, as effectiveness on the part of that character because obviously it follows market interests and not the logic of the world it sets in

#36 Posted by DocFatalis (1419 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jorgevy said:

@DocFatalis: yeah Luthor won't kill Supes because you don't kill the hero, unless you intend to revive it next summer. But, although I agree Supes could do more, Im not sure how much that "more" he can do will help because of the way legal systems seem to be handled in comic books. but that's a different type of discussions - the thing to retain is that obviously we can't account a nemesis not finishing of the hero or vice versa, as effectiveness on the part of that character because obviously it follows market interests and not the logic of the world it sets in

Agreed one hundred percent.

#37 Posted by theTimeStreamer (2841 posts) - - Show Bio

hulk stomps.

#38 Posted by Biza (32 posts) - - Show Bio

@DocFatalis said:

@Jorgevy: I over did it on purpose. My point is the following: Superman has a million different ways to neutralize Luthor for good, even legally (think about the kind of evidences someone who sees through walls, has access to the most incredibly advanced technologies and hears everything could do for building up a file), but it's not going to happen because then the story (and money maker, and dream machine) would end. Same with Luthor finally utilizing the K weakness successfully.

You have either missed my point entirely, or flat out ignored it. In other words, Luthor being able to come up with a cure for the hulk *KILLING HIM OR NOT* in one weeks time is laughable. Luthor is smart, but is he on the level of Bruce Banner? No, in the interest of gamma radiation he is not. One weeks prep is not enough time to create a weapon that some of the brightest minds (Illuminati) couldn't come up with. Their solution? Shoot him into outer space and pray to Jesus he doesn't come back. Superman wont kill Luthor, I agree with you. That is how he remains his nemesis, but the Hulk? Hulk has killed before, in his own title ffs. So now, one thunderclap and the entire human team is dead along with the "booby trapped" battlefield. The rules are ko/incap/death right? One thunderclap, one punch, one stomp... Call the meat wagon, autopsy is at six.

#39 Posted by Sideslash (5906 posts) - - Show Bio

@Biza: Captain Cold's cold fields absorb kinetic energy to the point where they stop bullets, slow the Flash down to the point where Cold can hit him. A normal human tried to punch Cold through one of those fields, his arm was instantly frozen, and Cold snapped half his forearm off.

#40 Posted by Biza (32 posts) - - Show Bio

@Sideslash: Bullets and a normal human punch... OMG YOUR RIGHT HULK IS FUCKED!

#41 Edited by Sideslash (5906 posts) - - Show Bio

@Biza: Just saying, it saps a lot of kinetic energy and can freeze things solid and make them really brittle. Hulk doesn't punch a whole lot faster than a normal human.

EDIT: Also, no need for the bitchy attitude dude.

#42 Posted by Bane_of_sith (2700 posts) - - Show Bio

The temperature of Space is Close to absolute zero (-455 degrees F) which hulk can and has survived,,,also temps hotter than the sun...hulk stomps,,he would destroy lex in his suit as well..anyone else on this team is done hulk 10/10. Absolute zero is -459.67 The freezing argument is folly!! It won't work at all,,just thought I would repost this even though it's on page one...captain cold would be stomped,along with his team

#43 Posted by 80sBaby (1338 posts) - - Show Bio

@Sideslash said:

@Biza: Just saying, it saps a lot of kinetic energy and can freeze things solid and make them really brittle. Hulk doesn't punch a whole lot faster than a normal human.

EDIT: Also, no need for the bitchy attitude dude.

Actually, Hulk moves A LOT faster than a normal human.

#44 Posted by Sideslash (5906 posts) - - Show Bio

@80sBaby: Not as fast as the Flash, and cold fields severely slow the Flash down as well.

#45 Posted by Israphael (350 posts) - - Show Bio

If the team works together I can see them taking this 8-9/10.

#46 Posted by Biza (32 posts) - - Show Bio

@Sideslash: The flash doesn't weigh 2,000 pounds, nor has the strength of a god.

And yes the hulk hits a lot faster than a normal human.

Relax flash fan-boys, this is for hulks speed only... Flash is much faster than QS.

#47 Posted by Sideslash (5906 posts) - - Show Bio

@Biza: You don't understand the weak points of that feat. Let me give you a quick list of reasons why H could tag Pietro there.

  1. He knew Quick was trying to blitz him.
  2. Quick ran straight at him, which is what Flash tried to do through a cold field, and Flash got slowed to the point where Cold, a normal human, could tag him.
  3. Quick isn't very quick, Hulk has a history of fighting people much faster than Pietro.
#48 Posted by DocFatalis (1419 posts) - - Show Bio

@Biza: Who talked about a cure? Using all kinds of radiations to weaken transform or annihilate strong opponents is what Luthor has been doing for decades, that's all.

The Illuminati business lead to what is generally considered by Marvel fans like the stupidest most PIS stuffed story of its era: WWH. At the exception of a few Hulk fanboys, people, including Marvel writers, tend to prefer to ignore this story. Whenever they address it, it's to retcon what happened because of how stupid this all was (wow, BB was a skrull all this time then?).

#49 Posted by Biza (32 posts) - - Show Bio

@DocFatalis: I should elaborate on a "cure". If you remove all the Gamma Radiation from the hulk he reverts back to Banner. Thus a cure, whether it be temporary or permanent.

Also I never said WWH was the best story of all time did I? It just shows how powerful the hulk can become... By the way he can become more powerful than that.

Show me a scan of Lex Luthor doing anything with Gamma Radiation. Using radiation to hurt the hulk??? Read up on what makes the Hulk well.. the HULK. You cant use radiation to hurt the hulk, but draining it seems to work for some writers. Furthermore one could argue that draining the hulk of radiation is PIS. Like rulk draining hulk, or gamma grenades reverting hulk back to banner, Or even the Satellite they used to end WWH (PIS you said it yourself, and I agree a stupid ending).

One thunderclap, still standing behind this.

#50 Posted by CharlesMartel (114 posts) - - Show Bio

Lex solos