If this is Savage Hulk, stalemate. If this is World Breaker, he stomps. Here are 2 fights that portray his power.
Hulk vs Cheetah
@Delta1938 said:
I don't do hyperbole feats. But considering gray Hulk's history, assuming the asteroid example was a legit feat, it's as valid as Spider-Man KOing Hulk by throwing a truck at him. Canon, but best left ignored. That thunder clapped a dimension? Wasn't it about the size of a city? So that would make it nuke-equivalent IIRC. Superman actually had a comparable feat Pre-Mongul Jr training.
Throwing Fin Fang Foom? Pre-power-up Superman threw a space ship four times the size of an aircraft carrier into space. An aircraft carrier weighs nearly 100,000 tons.
That shaking reality? Wasn't it because Hulk was in the Crossroads so it was actually capable of happening? Superman basically BROKE reality, which is superior, even if you don't factor in that Superman wasn't in a place that allowed him to pull this off.
And punching through a time line? Wasn't it he was IN the time stream that allowed him to pull it off? Good feat, but still inferior to Superman shattering space/time as a SIDE-EFFECT of his punches even if we ignore Hulk was in an environment that actually let that happen.
Held back the matter/antimatter attraction? It was theorized to be impossible, not stated it WAS impossible. Obviously it wasn't if Hulk did accomplish it. Superman pulled Darkseid from the Source Wall, something he wasn't sure was possible. And he had previously helped move the Moon at near-lightspeed, held a black hole in his hands, and helped slow down the "weight of eternity." All mind-boggling feats, so at least we have something to compare to from his own experience when he said he wasn't sure if it was possible. By comparison, it required the combined efforts of multiple Supergirls(modern Kara, Power Girl, Cir-El, Linda Danvers, and a Kara who was Silver Age in appearance and personality). Sure, you could argue Hulk's stronger than any of those individually. But are you going to argue he's at least as strong as all of them COMBINED?
And Superman has more feats that I didn't mention that are above anything you did for Hulk.
Superman isn't in this thread. Leave him out of this.
@Erik said:
@PunkMastaFlex:
Being nearly infinitely strong does not mean a lot when you cannot touch your opponent.
World Breaker Hulk's strength is able to destroy worlds. Especially during his battle against Red She-Hulk. All he has to do really is destroy the land underneath with a continental busting attack to cause damage and if it comes to this, he can simply destroy the planet. I really don't see anyway Cheetah can possibly win.
@PunkMastaFlex said:
@Erik said:
@PunkMastaFlex:
Being nearly infinitely strong does not mean a lot when you cannot touch your opponent.
World Breaker Hulk's strength is able to now destroy planets. Especially during his battle against Red She-Hulk. All he has to do really is destroy the land underneath to cause some damage and if it comes to this, he can simply destroy the planet.
If he destroys the planet, he essentially BFRs both himself and his opponents. At best a stalemate. Not a victory.
@Erik said:
@PunkMastaFlex said:
@Erik said:
@PunkMastaFlex:
Being nearly infinitely strong does not mean a lot when you cannot touch your opponent.
World Breaker Hulk's strength is able to now destroy planets. Especially during his battle against Red She-Hulk. All he has to do really is destroy the land underneath to cause some damage and if it comes to this, he can simply destroy the planet.
If he destroys the planet, he essentially BFRs both himself and his opponents. At best a stalemate. Not a victory.
Then he simply destroys the continent or does that too count as a bfr? Heck, he can possibly just throw the continent around given his current level of strength and slam it into her.
@PunkMastaFlex said:
Then he simply destroys the continent or does that too count as a bfr? Heck, he can possibly just throw the continent around given his current level of strength and slam it into her.
Lol no. He is not lifting a continent, much less swinging one. And since one Cheetah is nearly as fast as the Flash, that would be a useless strategy anyway.
@Erik said:
@PunkMastaFlex said:
Then he simply destroys the continent or does that too count as a bfr? Heck, he can possibly just throw the continent around given his current level of strength and slam it into her.
Lol no. He is not lifting a continent, much less swinging one
Why not? He's held down 2 tectonic plates from Planet Skaar which is essentially 10x larger than Earth. A tectonic plate from Earth can range from the sizes of Antarctica or the Atlantic/Pacific ocean. I have no doubt he can actually lift a majority of a continent and actually throw it. With no bfr, it could be a stalemate since Hulk's not allowed to destroy the planet. Unless Hulk outlives Cheetah :P
EDIT: I also want to state that with Hulk's level of gamma radiation in World Breaker form, that alone can cause a lot of damage.
And since one Cheetah is nearly as fast as the Flash, that would be a useless strategy anyway.
If Cheetah's nearly as fast as Flash, does that also imply that her reaction and perception are also on that level? Because if it is, she virtually cannot feel Hulks' strikes then. For example, if her perception on time is so much faster than normal, she will perceive things to move incredible slow so will it actually harm her? It's like a punch is being thrown but you're perceiving that it's so slow that even if it touches you, it will feel as if it were a light graze or a soft push if you avoid it's full impact. It's still a theory though. I believe that you possibly need great levels of superhuman attributes in order to compensate for this theory however.
In other words, if you're moving slow mo and you struck someone in the face at the slowest speeds you can possibly go, will it hurt them? No.
@Erik said:
@PunkMastaFlex:
Why not? Because we disregard PIS, that is why. And we certainly do not try to create our own PIS for battles.
How exactly is it pis? With the constant feats of strength shown by current Hulk, it's well in his level of area to preform.
@PunkMastaFlex said:
@Erik said:
@PunkMastaFlex:
Why not? Because we disregard PIS, that is why. And we certainly do not try to create our own PIS for battles.
How exactly is it pis? With the constant feats of strength shown by current Hulk, it's well in his level of area to preform.
Because a tectonic plate would not move under that much force focused in one place. It would just break off where the Hulk was. Meaning he would just have a handful of dirt that he was moving. Think about it.
@Erik said:
@PunkMastaFlex said:
@Erik said:
@PunkMastaFlex:
Why not? Because we disregard PIS, that is why. And we certainly do not try to create our own PIS for battles.
How exactly is it pis? With the constant feats of strength shown by current Hulk, it's well in his level of area to preform.
Because a tectonic plate would not move under that much force focused in one place. It would just break off where the Hulk was. Meaning he would just have a handful of dirt that he was moving. Think about it.
I'm well aware of that. It's like lifting a pyramid with one hand when logically, it'll crumble. Let me elaborate "lifting the continent" thing. I meant lifting a majority of it and creating a rock slide and massive earthquakes really. Now since we're talking logic, what would happen logically if someone as strong as the Hulk strikes the ground once? What would happen logically if Superman fights beings such as Black Adam? Fact is, beings with super strength around this level would destroy cities with the vibrations and the reverberations of their strikes.
@PunkMastaFlex:
Hulk is not going to pick up a section of land and use it like a whip either. When Black Adam fights just about anyone, the environment usually gets wrecked anyway so you have not really proved your point using him as an example. It is not even logic. It is just common sense. If Hulk destroys the battlefield, there is no battlefield. Self BFR is not a sound strategy if he wants to win.
@Erik said:
@PunkMastaFlex:
Hulk is not going to pick up a section of land and use it like a whip either. When Black Adam fights just about anyone, the environment usually gets wrecked anyway so you have not really proved your point using him as an example. It is not even logic. It is just common sense. If Hulk destroys the battlefield, there is no battlefield. Self BFR is not a sound strategy if he wants to win.
I never stated he can use it like a whip. What I'm stating with the Adam logic is that the environment should be destroyed further more than what was portrayed given his level of speed and strength. Comics don't have common sense unfortunately. Technically, Hulk would stand on a floating piece of rock in outer space :P Like he was in the last scan I posted.
@Erik said:
@PunkMastaFlex:
It is possible to stand on a rock in outer space.... assuming there is enough room to "stand" on it.
Really? I didn't know that (Sarcasm)
@PunkMastaFlex said:
@Erik said:
@PunkMastaFlex:
It is possible to stand on a rock in outer space.... assuming there is enough room to "stand" on it.
Really? I didn't know that (Sarcasm)
But you said Hulk did it in order to reinforce your argument that comics do not contain much common sense. So if you already knew that, why did you try to say such a thing lacked common sense when Hulk did it?
@Erik said:
@PunkMastaFlex said:
@Erik said:
@PunkMastaFlex:
It is possible to stand on a rock in outer space.... assuming there is enough room to "stand" on it.
Really? I didn't know that (Sarcasm)
But you said Hulk did it in order to reinforce your argument that comics do not contain much common sense. So if you already knew that, why did you try to say such a thing lacked common sense when Hulk did it?
I was joking. I wasn't trying to reinforce my arguments because I stopped after you stated that she's close to Flash's level of speed.
@Erik said:
@PunkMastaFlex said:
@Erik:
Punkmastaflex 1, Erik 1. We're even now.
I hate ties. Flip a coin for the winner.
Not risking it.
@carver9 said:
Hulk stomps...why is this still going on?
becoz no one takes you seriously...
There is no way hulk is going to touch cheetah..
people are claiming hulk fought three herald level characters and won, and took on a skyfather with his thunderclap, when was this? and show some proof at least.
@agent41: omg your everywhere leave me alone lol . Do you really go around defending female characters everywhere ? Lol . Cheetahs strength is nowhere near Hulk strength . On top of that Hulks durability & healing factor are off the charts she's not hurting him .
I know comicviners would rather cut off their own dicks than admit a DC character would lose to a Marvel character but Cheetah being almost as strong as WW doesn't mean crap against a guy who destroys planets via shoclwaves. WW isn't even as strong as WB Hulk sonidk why you keep bringing her up
Hulk punches the ground, Cheetah dies along with then planet they're on
I know comicviners would rather cut off their own dicks than admit a DC character would lose to a Marvel character but Cheetah being almost as strong as WW doesn't mean crap against a guy who destroys planets via shoclwaves. WW isn't even as strong as WB Hulk sonidk why you keep bringing her up
Hulk punches the ground, Cheetah dies along with then planet they're on
Someone seems a tad bitter about something.
@stezzy: Says the guy who can't even spell "Shockwaves" right.
Hulk gets Blitzed.
hulk will cause earthquake or thunder clap her after she cuts him a few times then while she is stunned hulk will get a hold of her and thats all she wrote.
@comic_book_fan: You think an Earthquake/Thunderclap can actually stun someone who freaking Blitzed Flash. Cheetah can blitz and cut Hulk's throat/maybe KO him before hulk reacts.
@zhurong: doomesday has shook the ground and made flash fall hulk can do the same to cheetah and she can't do enough damage to keep him down.
@comic_book_fan: You think an Earthquake/Thunderclap can actually stun someone who freaking Blitzed Flash. Cheetah can blitz and cut Hulk's throat/maybe KO him before hulk reacts.
I was thinking the thunder clap would be a very viable tactic for Hulk. Is there anything to suggest she wont get sent flying into a building after Hulk Thunderclaps ?
@uugieboogie: He is a Cheetah and WE higher, don't worry.
@mr_winchester: But can he do it before getting KOed? Also, Cheetah can possibly outrun the Thunderclap.
@awesomedude: she can't knock him out she can cut him up but he will heal too fast.
@comic_book_fan: Doomsday took down Flash who wasn't moving at the speed of light. Cheetah will move FTL here considering the morals are off.
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