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"@brharri: magneto has defeated jean and storm at the same time. along with cyclops, colossus, wolverine, banshee, and nightcrawler. also storm has never taken out the hulk. she has knocked him off balance before. or blew him with wind. that does not make a defeat. "
He fought them one on one, when they fought again as a team in the next issue Magneto was bested by the X-men. I have already broken this down and provided proof that Cyclops even stated that the team wasn't fighting him as a team.
" @brharri: magneto has defeated jean and storm at the same time. along with cyclops, colossus, wolverine, banshee, and nightcrawler. also storm has never taken out the hulk. she has knocked him off balance before. or blew him with wind. that does not make a defeat. "
" @Storm Calling: when has either storm or jean ever defeated magneto without a whole team? "I never said they did but they both came really close to beating him when they faced him one on one in the issue you provided. So I'm pretty sure they're combined power would be too much for him. The following issue had the team best him when they decided to work together.
" @Storm Calling: jean was the phoenix in that fight and mags still defeated her. and this is normal jean we are talking about. magneto has defeated the x-men several times. i really think the girls are going to need some more x-men to take mags down. i don't think one or two x-men have ever defeated magneto. it is always a team effort. "That was a low powered phoenix jean, she hadn't even consumed any stars and her powers only rivaled Xavier in that issue. She was barely coming into her powers and hadn't shown any grand feats before she fought Mags. Plus this was also a clone, current jean without phoenix would probably be just as powerful as that clone. The jean before that clone Jean was a lot weaker than a current omega level powered jean. Both Storm and Jean nearly defeated Magneto one on one in that issue. If he barely had enough to take down one of them then two should be far too much for him. We're talking about two of the most powerful X-men going off against mags. X-men that have nearly defeated him single handed in battle.
That phoenix didn't even have enough power for that feat and required the energy of Storm and Corsair to repair the crystal. She was no where near as powerful as a dark phoenix, and when she attacked magneto he even stated that her powers only Rivaled Xavier's(Someone he has already beaten before in combat anyway). She also reached some sort of limit in her power, which you would never see in a fully powered Phoenix so early on in a battle with Magneto. That's not to mention the fact that Storm amplified his magnetic powers when she tried to use a blizzard to disarm him. Also Jean Grey has molecular telekinesis without the phoenix force and I'm pretty sure a current jean would be just as powerful as that clone in that issue without Phoenix Force.
And when you say never beaten him before, I'm assuming you mean one on one a piece. Because he has never beaten the two utilizing their skills together.Never. If both Storm and Jean taxed him to his limit one on one then he is standing no chance against both of them at the same time.
Ok then I don't think I'd be able to provide much evidence against that . But I will say though that her powers only rivaled that of Xavier's in that battle, so whatever she did before that must be within the powers levels of Xavier or she was either written down for Magneto. Either case an omega level jean grey without PF rivals Xavier in power, so that clone's power showcased in that battle could easily be used as evidence that this Jean could do just as much damage against Magneto. And with that sort of power facing off against Mags, with Storm backing her up, I don't see the girls going down.
" @Storm Calling: whenever she posesses the phoenix her powers are stronger. that is what i mean. magneto has beat both of them and multiple other characters in the same fight. he has also taken on the avengers and the fantastic four. and i will look for instances where he fought both at the same time. but so far neither one of them has ever managed to defeat him without the help of a team full of people. so odds are mags wins. "
" @Storm Calling: in magneto's opinion she only rivaled xavier. i have already named several feats that jean without the phoenix could not do. "
" @Storm Calling: actually i am a real person and magneto is fictional. so i like to think my opinion counts for more. anyway green phoenix has shown several feats that normal jean cannot. she defeated firelord on her own. has a non phoenix powered jean ever defeated a herald of galactus? "I understand what you mean but her powers were measured in that issue. Not everyone is written the same way in every issue. Characters get written down all the time, so comparing them overall and then trying to match that power to a single issue is not accurate. And according to Magneto, she was displaying powers that were only rivaling Xavier's in that issue, and he was being taxed to his limit. So if a current non PF powered Jean is rivaling Xavier in power then she too should be able to tax Magneto the way the clone did.
" @Storm Calling: uncanny x-men 304. he uses his powers on the iron in the blood of everyone at illyanna's funeral. they cannot move or use their powers. this crowd includes storm and jean. "Sneak attacks don't count. They weren't prepared. They didn't even get a chance to attack him before he reversed their blood. In either case Storm was written down and didn't sense the approach of that massive ship...
" @Storm Calling: magneto had no clue what phoenix was really capable of. i admit that a full powered phoenix would tear up mags. "I'm pretty sure he could measure the strength of the attacks being administered against his shields. And apparently it was only forces that rivaled Xavier's power.
" @Storm Calling: well you asked for evidence of where he defeated them both at the same time. and as for the whole green phoenix vs normal jean thing her feats clearly show that green phoenix was more powerful. now it's your turn. do you have any evidence of a jean/storm combo ever actually defeating magneto? "That is not good enough evidence considering Storm was written down and it was a surprize attack. The characters never had a chance to defend or attack against him. So really that example does not really hold much ground if both Storm and Jean can attack him as fast as he attacks them.
" @Storm Calling: dude you can keep saying magneto said... but the feats say otherwise. and you have no evidence of the combo of storm and jean beating magneto by themselves. because it has never happened. your comments are pure speculation on your part. whether it was a surprise attack or not magneto shut them down. he has shown himself capable of blocking both of their attack. and has defeated both characters before. we keep going round and round. i have countered your arguments with actual evidence. now please come up with actual evidence. "Magneto stating that her power levels were rivaling Xavier's is evidence. It can be disputed that her power levels are usually higher then that by providing evidence from other issues and story-arcs but it cannot be used as evidence to describe her power levels in that issue. Fact!
" @Storm Calling:A fact is a fact, and even if rivaling Xavier in terms of being the most powerful mutant is what he meant, it all still points to current non PF powered Jean being able to tax him.
Her power rivaling Xavier, was just the writer's acknowledging that Mags believes Charles to be the most powerful mutant on the planet, and vice versa. . "
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