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@theonetaichou: @wardemon32:
Wardemon, Doom has half of these built inside his suit. He has sensors in his mask and magic means of sensing and seeing people, he'll know what's going on. In fact, when someone attacks your mind and fails, you generally know something is up unless you're oblivious.
taichou, you keep switching from TP attacks to real attacks, which one is it. Also, so you know Storm's hit intangible people with her wind, being intangible doesn't stop wind or electricity from hitting you. Electrons are still there, as are your molecules, you're just less dense than usual.
.... mate have you been reading what I have proposed for my 10 MMh's? They appear in an unknown location, go intangible and then tp the whole world. Those that survive (somehow) get taken down by the tp controlled villians/heroes/agents etc... and that is just with 2-5 MMH's... I still have 5 more who can go attack whoever I propose. BTW Storm CANNOT hit intangible opponents, that is plain stupid and you know it. EVER! Intangibility means having not having a physical presence in short... hence why MMH when intangible can go through a building. Air/lightning = ditto. Density is something else (<<<density =/= intangibility).
1. The fact stands that Surfer is super fast, with molecular manipulation, TP that spans galaxies, super durability, super strength, and other powers thatr MMH has. Point is Doom won't be all that foreign to MMH's powers as he's fought others with them before.
..... so when was the last time SS shape shifted? Changed his origin to martian? And has inbred powers that don't come from the Power Cosmic? And so what if he has fought a a mmh-esque character... if J'onn suddenly appears before Doom, Victor is gonna go "hey there green guy, just by looking at you I can tell that your powers are like Silver Surfer"? Not to mention that Doom has fought humanoids but that doesn't mean he can beat Myx (a humanoid) etc. Fallacy.
2. Black Panther doesn't have to slaughter his people, just use his tech on non lethal level to KO them. And with all of his technical might behind him, they won't stand much of a chance. BP also has great senses for seeing hidden people, great TP defenses and thermal tech to see those who are invisible. He'll see the MMHs attacking his country and he'll deal with them using his ENTIRE ARSENAL of tech that he's beaten Iron Man and Mephisto with before. At the very least he'll survive and be able to warn other..
....BP+Wakanda cannot beat Mephisto unless Mephisto jobs for them. Worse is that PF Namor showed up and wrecked Wakanda and this so called prep that BP ALWAYS has did nothing! Nil! Nada! Absolutely nothing... and your answer keeps changing back and forth. First: BP/Wakanda is going about their business when the MMH's tp attack them. NO ONE is ready, NO ONE has prepped for them!!! Secondly: ALL of Wakanda falls to the tp assault of the MMH's (2-5) in no time at all. NONE can stand up to that assault... none! Not even BP... I gave you BP just to see what he could do and you act like he will just stroll into his tech warehouse unhindered, activate some unknown prep and presto! Wakanda is alright! And if he survives who will he warn... the whole world is under tp assualt. And what of other Wakandians... none shall use BP's own tech against him? The guards/council men etc who have access and can use the tech as well (such as the council men) will do nothing, even if BP is an hour away from the tech warehouse, they will just stand there waiting?? Come on mate. As for gadgets/tp defenses (lol)/ thermal tech... come on!
3. Let's paint this situation. MMH attack Doom with TP, he fails as Doom has infallible indomitable will. Doom senses intrusion on his mind, is now on alert and goes to research/monitor what's happening. Sees MMHs attacking ME and Latveria, uses his gadgets HE ALREADY HAS to handle them and/or his own country to release them from mind control. He then deploys his entire Doombot army, who, btw have sensors such as thermal for vision and they go fight the MMHs. If MMH sends any mind controlled people towards him, his forcefields and inventions hold up and he wins or escapes. I find it funny you think he doesn't have counters against invisibility when one of his main villains is INVISIBLE WOMAN.
.... Stop it with these lies... Doom and his will will fall. @wardemon32 has already countered this universal will power logic of Doom succinctly. Why bring it up? Doom has a strong will, strong but not to the level of 2-5 MMH tp assault, and since Doom has failed before (per your own given scenario in this thread... taking over the world and giving it up for the lulz) his will is far from being indomitable nor infallible.
So Doom gets attacked, he resists and the martians stop their attack. These martians are so dumb they just cannot keep attacking amirite? ONE tp attack and they're out! WOW!. They cannot continuously tp attack him. Fine they don't... he goes to research/monitor and presto! he detects 10 martians tp-ing everyone (standing on Mt Rushmore, with neon signs stating "We are the ones attacking you" I suppose). He sends out his Doombots (the martians are still standing there having a party a la spring break) and these 'bots beat up the MMh's and the world is saved, or better the martians send out Tony and his IM collection, these 'bots will just use forcefields and presto! Doom wins or escapes. This, my friend, is the real hahaha! BTW Invisible woman's invisibility =/= invisibility+intangibility...
4. Thor has resisted TP from people who have controlled entire planets and worlds with it. He at least has great resistance and anyone helping him will break him out, if he doesn't himself. Jean has had Phoenix and been weaker than Galactus A LOT of times. And name the times Jean's been mind controlled by someone weaker than MMH in TP. I'll wait. Same with Xavier. And I didn't say they'd beat 10 MMH, I said they'd resist the TP, you keep switching from TP attacks to physical attacks, pick one. Regardless they can easily get off a warning and Jean can easily protect herself long enough to escape. And yeah intangible or not, you displace wind and air pressure, it's science, sorry. Storm will sense them and at least be able to freeze them/escape. Cyclops looking at Jean is honestly too slow and too weak of an attack for her not to easily block it. Not to mention she can just free cyclops from the mind control.
.... and yet in this very thread Thor gets tp-ed by Ultron! And no... Thor resisting planetary tp would be considered PIS considering he normally gets tp'd by normal telepaths not some extreme planetary+++ telepaths. Like I said Thor falls more often than not to tp and that is a fact. And pray tell who are these people strolling around for the lulz in ME not caring (and unaffected) about the world wide tp takedown going on, that will somehow find Thor wherever he may be then help break Thor out of mental control? Come on mate...
Let's see... Jean has had the PF and been weaker than Galactus. True I give you that... but does she have the PF NOW?! Or are we to take every incarnation of PF Jean<Galactus into this thread even if current Jean doesn't have the PF? Worse is that you are digressing... you said that if Jean etc gets tp attacked the PF will show up and protect them from the MMH tp assault. I said pafooey! Jean and Co have been attacked, even by tp, many a time and the PF has not shown up to save them, in The Twelve Apoc showed her what's what and no PF. And even if no one had mind controlled Jean/Xavier =/= s/he cannot be mind controlled (after all Sentry did make he/r forget as well when he tp'd the world to forget him), s/he has fought people like Emma and cannot wtfomgcurbstomps them (such as Apoc in the Twelve or Emma in various fights) BUT now 2-5 J'onn's will be a walk in the park? You said that Jean/Xavier can defeat MMH (which they cannot) and I stressed the issue that they can BARELY win (and I don't believe they can actually win against a singular Martian but I will be generous) against J'onn let alone against 2-5 martians! Again, like Doom, who is giving them a warning?
Please stop it with the Storm intangibility... you clearly don't know what you are talking about friend. Here Intangible... now please stop it. The very act of being intangible means you don't interact physically with the world and thus there is no physical interaction, such as no interaction with air molecules, no pressure is exerted or created, NO PHYSICAL INTERACTION! It's why an intangible MMH can go through a wall coz there is no physical interaction between the physical wall and the martian. Sorry to shout. Forgive me.
I never switched, I said they get tp attacked and if the MMh's were being expedient they could just use the others around them to attack them and finish them off (hence the example that Scott takes off his glasses and looks at them). And if you are still asking about the tactics it clearly shows you are not paying attention to my stratagems (to me at the very least)... this is not just a pure tp assault ONLY! The tp assault is only the martians shock and awe, initial assault.
5. What? This makes no sense, if they only TP people, then the strong Psionics and Will power people will escape, notice that the world is taken over, unite and go after MMH, the threat. Invisibility can be sensed in many ways. TOAA level Doom? not sure what you mean but w/e. If MMH don't physically attack anyone, then high level Psionics go around freeing everyone from their control and put up psionic shields. If they do, they're taken out by the stronger level people.
6. Ghost Rider will....not go down? He'll help fight against MMH with Doom, Jean Grey, Thor, etc.? Duh. Strange literally saw Galactus on a random encounter and illusion'd him into submission. No prep. Without prep, he has mental shields up, and btw he lives in a different dimension when he just wakes up etc. so MMH can't even reach him. When has PF people been TP'd? Name examples. I'll wait. Hope has PF in her.
Mags has NATURAL DEFENSES AGAINST TP. His helmet only helps. Quicksilver can't even get to Magneto, Magneto's reacted to much faster. Regardless, he doesn't need it. Wanda has fought the entire Phoenix 5, it's likely she has mental defenses. Captain Amerrica is a great leader who can take on nearly any street leveler. Hulk, his strength against magic fluctuates, he may be able to take Wanda with MMH controlling her powers, if not, she can't kill him, he'll come back. And she probably won't be TP'd in the first place. Juggernaut, the guy who's unstoppable is useless? lol sure. Emma Frost is a Jean grey level Psionic, she'll be fine outside of Diamond form, Psylocke will be fine as will Jean Grey as you've yet to show MMH is better than her at TP, Gambit would destroy Wolverine with his adamntium bow, charging kinetic energy and his deck of cards (that's taken out Gladiator). And lol at Pym doing anything for Deadpool. Deadpool's another very powerful street leveler. hell Wolverine has mental defenses as well, since you mentioned him before, Fantomex has mental defenses. there's too many people who will be unaffected and be able to free others and take down MMH.
7. Darwin has adapted to beat Hel, Death God. That's his recent power level. That's >>>MMH and over 90% of people on Earth. Combine him with Jean Grey, Prof. X, Magneto, Wolverine, Gambit, Captain America, Deadpool, Thor, Hulk, Doom, Black Panther, Storm, Hope Summers, Rachel Summers, Dr. Strange, Ghost Rider, they can easily take down the MMHs and release the rest of Marvel Earth.
8. Weaknesses are specific vulnerabilities that cause you to be weaker than usual or cause you to lose. No Thanos has none of those. He's just weaker than Odin and Galactus, he's simply not that strong, that's why he's not God. Surfer doesn't even have weaknesses besides his pacifistic mind. Weaknesses are like Kryptonite, Radon, Red Sun radiation, Fire, etc.
5. Again... the tp assault is the first wave of attack. This is not the first time I'm saying this, I've been taking abut tp take overs, POTUS control/government control/UN control/Reed using tech to defeat whoever/IronMan attacking who ever/Pym/Thor/ heroes and villians and Aunt May. It is not a tp assault only! And so many holes... please point us to the psionics/will powered people on ME who can shrug off a 2-5 J'onns tp assault unprepared and not ready. Heck prepared and ready who? And after the MMh's fail, they give up like your Doom scenario amirite? Then they all go around freeing people and finally arrive at Mt Rushmore (where the MMH's have been standing still doing nothing with big neon signs saying "hey everybody, we are the guys who have been tp-ing you") And who can put up psionic shields strong enough to weather a tp assault from the martians repeatedly while they themselves are being tp'd? Come now...
by TOAA level Doom... I meant you think Doom has TOAA level willpower.
6. GR will help fight against the MMH's with Doom (who miraculously survived), Jean (what's that 5 MMH's vs Jean = stompage by Jean amirite), Thor (Ultron must be universe++ in tp same with moondragon). DUH! indeed ( a most compelling argument). Strange put up an illusion and ergo he will also run into the 10 MMh's (eating oreos) waiting for him and throw up an illusion amirite? Can you point me to that comic please, that sounds like Classic Strange bs considering he couldn't pawn Drumm for the lulz in New Avengers lately? As for living in a different dimension umm... no friend! And even if he did, when he comes over he gets tp'd. He still has no prep as per OP so ditto!
As for PF people... who has the PF on ME right now? Another reach... and what are Hope's feat with the PF? The PF hasn't been around since AvX iirc.
I do know Mags has natural defenses against tp, but not to a level to repel a martian let alone 2-5. Hence I mentioned if he was wearing his helmet, any of the tp-controlled people can remove it and thus he is tp'd. Without prep he wouldn't know QS is moving to remove his helmet , now would he/ Or Wanda? Wanda fought the PF due to Chaos Magic, not tp. She is their kryptonite.
Captain America? Really? You are right, he is great leader and fighter. He will be a good asset for the martians. And bye bye hulk via Wanda's magic, Reed's tech or Pym or whoever else. What will Juggernaut do, keep moving? Ditto to Emma (she aint taking one J'onn let alone 2-5). So Pym can create Ultron but Deadpool is just too much amirite?? You are basically listing anyone who has ever gotten out of a tp attack and equating it to 5 MMH's tp assault now. Absurd to the nth degree. All these people go from NEVER to HARDPRESSED to win against the tp attack of ONE J'onn let alone 2-5!!
7. Hela is not greater than 90% of ME considering the fight Thor usually gives her (even if he does lose). But I'm tired now... just make that thread: Darwin vs ME and see who else will say Darwin wins besides you or even 90% of ME will lose to Darwin. Apparently Darwin fails to curbstomp people in Werewolves by Night (a friend told me this), is that true? If it is, how is he beating ME, even 90%?
8. Weaknesses are not specific vulnerabilities ONLY! It can be more than that. CA should tell Surfer Thanos has no super speed.
So yeah you'rew I (Darkraiden) am wrong, and I (Darkraiden) lose. too bad. they can even take Doom and Latveria nonetheless as well as the rest of everyone else.
fixed it for you mate :). No need to thank me, it's my pleasure.
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@theonetaichou: ok hold up Hope Summers couldnt read thors mind let alone control it so MM has no shot period hes not getting into thor
as for Silver Surfer i guess i am going to have to scan you to submission on this one. he doesnt use his nano seconde reaction time because more often than not he can just tank it
dude when you have more than 3 people telling you youre wrong you should listen. What about Zeus
oh and let me show you some scans of Marvel Now Thor
there is no need to scan me into oblivion, logic is fine with me. BTW SS is not on Earth is he now? Oh snap! Isn't he guarding a Seed iirc (I do admit I haven't kept up with SS).
3 people are wrong mate, ergo... I didn't know Zeus resides on ME, I thought he resides in a different dimension i.e where Olympus is at, like how Asgard is in a different dimension to ME.
Thanks for the Thor scans, I don't see 2-5 equivalent tp assault from those scans, oh you meant the MMh's would just walk to Thor to brawl with him? Yeah... ummmm... no friend.
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What are they going to do with Zeus and Gaea?
Don't Zeus and Gaea live in a different dimension i.e not ME? Ergo...
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