how many flashes could nate grey beat?

hmm... you didn't read the op quite well .. there's no official battle... they are at the park (not for battle purpose) .. they'll attack each other if they gets to know about opponent's presence.. so don't you think nate's precognition will allow him to know flash's presence before flash does?

i think flash can vibrate through shields..... and... that doesn't even mean much... u think more than 1 imp (there are more than 1 flash here) can't penetrate nate's shield? i don't think so.

All of them

so they're in a park and will fight if they see each other? wouldn't the flash's as soon as the battle begins go from 0 to full speed instantly and scout the whole park, find nate and kill him? that's how i see the fight playing out

but new 52 wally isn't even a flash

@rpottage:

That's inferior.

You don't know much about the Flash do you? Half a second is eternity to the Flash; there isn't half a second between the start of battle and the attack, and we established he doesn't do anything until the start of battle. Which means it's more like battle starts; less than a microsecond latter Flash's hand is through Nate's brain.

I don't think you understand what's being said. Every character in the fight is put in a position where they don't know that an enemy is in the same area they're in. Now, let's say the fight starts and Nate's precognition tells him that 10 seconds from now he will be attacked by Flash. So, in 1 second he raises his TK shields and then 9 seconds later he's attacked. Since Nate already knows when he'll be attacked before the Flash's even know that they will attack him, the Flash's are at a significant time disadvantage.

how are flashes gonna hurt his energy form?

Flash is overrated.

@flashgreatersigneveryone:

they'd fight as soon as they're aware of each other's presence (read op.. from start, they doesn't even know that their opponent is present in the park).. it's a real life scenario.. it doesn't necessarily means they'll need to see each other to know that (well flash do.. but nate doesn't.. he'll be alarmed about flash's presence few moments before flash sees him due to his precognition)

new 52 barry has pre cog as well

and the flashes can scout the whole park, find and kill nate in a nanosecond

someone showed me once a scan of flash grabbing a ray of light or something like that and said that he can touch energies by vibrating body molecules.. so i think we need to prove that psionic energy is different than normal energy to support what u're implying.

see the previous quote's part which i've bolded

@ssj_god: His 'a' Flash

yes he is.. but in pre new 52... in new 52, he isn't a flash

what does that have to do with what i said? in your scenario the flashes are just going to leave the park.... and if they can't then what i said takes place... they run around the park find him and kill him in less than a nanosecond...

@ssj_god: Not specifically talking about the Flash but in general

lol .. @ the flashes gonna leave the park ... yeah.. they certainly can... but we're assuming a scenario where they doesn't... lets just say both nate and the flash team wanted to walk around the park and somehow somewhere they strangle into each other... before they determines opponent's presence, they didn't knew that the opponent is present in the park (as i said.. think it as a real life scenario.. as u're walking through the park, and you accidentlly bump into your mortal enemy)

eh? .. didn't got what you meant by this

Flash can phase through energy and matter by vibrating his molecules but that's quasi-intangibility; and in the case where he vibrates through matter he destroys it by disrupting its atoms. However, I have never seen an instance where Flash has harmed an energy being by vibrating through them. And if you think about it, it doesn't make sense: How can you hurt energy by vibrating it? It'll just disperse and then re-form. The only thing Flash has ever done to energy is speed steal it.

ohh.. i see .. then the same thing still remains .. we still have to prove how psionic energy is different from normal energy.. from which flash stole speed :D

Stalemate, because if a Reality Warper uses his powers to warps something massive, IN A REAL LIFE ENCOUNTER the sheer amount of energy it takes to warp would nuke the world with them.

lol... i meant to imagine a real life encounter.. doesn't mean it's taking place in real life... it's still in comic world where physics doesn't work how it should work

im done with this thread it's so silly lol

None.

Flash attosecond stomps

i created this, because this turned out to be sooooo one sided

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/wally-west-vs-nate-grey-1563747/

@ssj_god:

ohh.. i see .. then the same thing still remains .. we still have to prove how psionic energy is different from normal energy.. from which flash stole speed :D

I don't see how psionic energy would be any different. It's still energy right, lol.

well .. technically, it is different.. because it works from psionic plane.. such a plane, which only telepaths can access... that's the reason why psionic energy acts so different.. and bypasses normal barriers and shields which normal energies can't ... lol .. but as i said, we need to prove this with feats to be acceptable :D

@ssj_god: Never mind then.

True, but I just thought energy is energy... Psionic energy is different than other types of energy, though. General energy--like electromagnetic radiation, thermal, kinetic, etc.--is a property of the physical universe; psionic energy is not.

Nate isn't composed of matter here. Even if his psionic form can be disrupted, he can exist as a disembodied consciousness. He could still access his abilities without the use of a body. Furthermore Shaman Nate is a confirmed reality-warper, and time-manipulator. Nates planck length trick allows him to literally step out of time, and attack from any moment. Nate can also freeze time. The flashes are done here, Nate has a plethora of ways to kill/hurt the flashes while the flashes have virtually none. He's drained the mental energy of various telepaths at once, leaving them as empty husk (vegetables) Considering this is bloodlusted Nate, he can easily restrain them telekinetically (he's done so to abomination) and incinerate them ( he's incinerated various telepaths at once simultaneously while being scattered at different locations, around the city). The flashes get stomped.

QFT

Seems kinda a pointless thread. As someone who knows very little about any of the characters this is my thought. The Flashes are powerful, but against this kind of reality warper they obviously lose. If Nate has precog to be able to sense an attack thirty seconds before it happened, meaning that even if they are not even aware of each other yet or even in the park yet; if he is aware of an attack he would have shields up. That's a win for him. That's not even considering surviving beyond his current body. I like the Flashes, but they lose.

OP is mad because Wally and Barry can wreck DBZVerse with hand behind their back.

Also Wally casually steps back in time before Nate was born and kills his mother. He has literally billions of years of slow motion to find out who his mother is.

lol .. this is the funniest thing i've heard so far XD

ohh.. btw... nate was a test tube baby.. he never had a mother ...lol

So nate got his powers back?

I think Nate can pull it off depending on the version in this fight I vote Nate

I thinkwe jjust found Flashs kryptonite. Lol

How manyoother characters posses precog?

lol... yeah .. precog is very usable against speed .. but you have to have something to compliment that.

Then he will destroy the test tube, easy as that. Wally curbstomp.

Depends on the lenght, if your precog is like 10 seconds before that attack, Wally will still curbstomp because you can't react to him attacking.

only problem is... nate's time manipulation ability is greater than wally's... lol

hmm.. yeah.. this i do agree with... though that character would have to be real real slow to not to react within 10 seconds... even a fraction of a second is enough for a normal human in the real world to react to something :D

I don't think he can beat a single one. I mean, what's the use of being more powerful than something if you can't even react to that something killing you. And pre-cog wont help him here since the moment the fight starts he dies, unless he has shields up (Which OP stated he doesn't have up).

Make sure they can can reality warp and operate without a body as well. Oh! And that they're in a scenario where the Flash happens to be casually strolling around a park unaware of their presence. :p

Zero.

Seriously. The slowest Flash would have a strong chance of beating him.

With this team, bloodlusted, Wally speed-steals and then deals 1000 IMP's.

Doesn't matter because Flash has literally billions of years of prep to kill the test tube before Nat reacts.

Flash fans....................wow just wow i thought wenjun chu was bad but atleast he actually bothers to read up on stuff, seriously theres nothing flash can do to hurt nate at all, nate can stop time and kill them all instantly, nate can. Blow up the planet instantly, nate can TK freeze them in place likes he done to so many much more powerful people, nate can mind rape them, nate can just be a concious being with no body and still do all of the above, nate can say flash have no powers, POOF they have no powers i mean seriously flash fans are getting the chracter hated beacuse they feel speed is unbeatable, batman with prep has already beat flash ha says alot dont it, so when people moan at wenjun chu atleast its a good laugh and he dosent resort to attacking other peoples views like many flash fans on thise site do

People are still taking this thread seriously?

All of them

@mightyrearranger:

something mentioned about flash doesn't go unnoticed on vine.. specially if somehow flash struggle to get the upperhand on the fight..lol

@sirneko@_atomikill_@potato@mightyrearranger

well ... it was very one sided between a nate and flash direct fight, that's why i created this thread.. if you believe flash can beat nate one on one, then u guys need to bump this thread and debate it there.. it was looking like a mismatch, so i didn't bothered to bump it

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/wally-west-vs-nate-grey-1563747/