HOTU Thanos vs God Doom

The ultimate versions of the ultimate Baddies of Marvel...

Who is number 1?

No prep

Round 1: pre-retcon secret wars Doom

Round 2: 2015 secret wars Doom

So basically Beyonder vs Hotu I say Hotu

HOTU stomps.

Does Doom actually have any feats? Beside defeating phoenix Scott? Do we even know how he got the powers?

Stealing Beyonder's powers, creating BattleWorld from remaining pieces of the multi-verse, presumably TP'ing all of Battleworld to forget their previous lives (all but ones that came across life rafts), taking over as Eternity.

With that being said, HOTU Thanos

@green_skaar: Kinda obvious that he has their power, we don't know how he got them.. Creating battleworld, how big is that? Tping them I don't really see that has a huge feat when compared to hotu, what's the most powerful being he TPed? Did that being have good TP resistance?

Doom is too much speculations

I'm not saying Doom wins, in fact I think he loses, I'm just commenting on what feats he has so far. As to most powerful he's TP'd Galactus and Franklin Richards are under his thumb.

I think the HOTU is a bit above the Beyonders power

bump

HotU.

hotu for now

Heart of the Universe.

HOTU

We'll have to wait and see, if God Doom gets more feats.

Same here.. Although I think it might eventually be a stalemate

If God Doom actually have Pre-retcon Beyonder power

He STOMP

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HOTU Thanos wins.

Probably hotu

@jay_z94: Is God Doom pre-retcon ..?

@reno117: ???

Who the hell is Pre-retcon God Doom?

@reno117:

I haven't read the new secret wars yet myself. I also believe knowing if this version of Beyonder power level is superior to Pre-retcon Beyonder should be crucial to who would win this.

IMO God Doom is more powerful then HOTU (Beyonders are not of this multiverse) but as Doom showed by beating the Beyonders/Ivory Kings with his mysterious box they are not all knowing, so the HOTU user should be able to use nigh omniscient to out maneuver Doom.

@jagernutt: Yes, if Beyonder power level is superior to pre-retcon then probably wins this.

@khael: The Beyonder, anyway if God Doom is not pre-retcon gets devastated.

I'll rarely admit that Thanos can lose but against Doom. Yeah, he could actually lose.

Oh

Do you mean God Doom with Pre-retcon Beyonder's power?

Thanos with HOTU > LT and other gods.

Doom > Beyonders > LT and other gods.

Doom wins.

PR Beyonder should be the most powerful entity in Marvel to have existed, even more powerful than the Ivory Kings. (except TOAA)

Thanos.

Lol to the people who say pre-retcon Doom...

People still forget that we go by feats here so Doom loses horribly since he has basically 0 feats.

Doom never fought or defeated LT or any other abstracts, that I know? How does Doom>LT? Didn't Doom somehow? (still not explained?) take/steal the powers of a Beyonder? didn't it take 3 Byonders to take down just the LT? Thanos w/hotu didn't really fight LT or anyone else, he just absorbed all of Marvel, and it was LT who fought it ever so briefly, before being absorbed, the rest had no chance or choice. I'd say Thanos is shown to be still above any of the Beyonders or Doom who stole just one of their powers.

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Edited the OP, there are now 2 rounds

Round 1: Pre retcon secret wars doom

Round 2: 2015 secret wars doom

In my opinion - By feats: Thanos. By speculation: Maybe Doom.

As has been mentioned on this thread, as well as on panel by strange IIRC, Doom isn't omniscient. Thanos could take advantage of this because Doom stole beyonder's power due to the beyonder not knowng what doom was planning.

@jay_z94:

Hmmm. That does show a distinct weakness compared to IG or HOTU.

If you're referring to Doom not being omniscient, exactly

A old member here literally helped confirmed Doom is Omnipotent and not Omniscient.

http://fictionalomniverse.forumotion.com/t824-tom-brevoort-confirms-dr-doom-is-omnipotent-but-not-omniscient

Also i would like to state God Doom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>HOTU Thanos as thanos couldnt kill Death/Adam Warlock.......God Doom couldn't repair his face out of PLOT.

Yeah it's been confirmed doom isn't omniscient

Thanos with HOTU stomped the whole marvel universe including living tribunal.... Are you sure you aren't referring to thanos with the infinity gauntlet

The Omnipotent Titan

Well

since the EDIT

Pre retcon should win but have no feats to back it up and same with God doom.

Thanos wins because of feats.

No sorry, Thanos stomps because of feats.

You cant be omnipotent if youre not omni-everything-else. Brevoort doesnt know what he's talking about.

HOTU Thanos, probably.

Hotu thanos.pre retcon beyonder was freaking out living tribunal vs hotu beating tribunal and every other cosmic entity all at once

Peopling spewing garbage . Thanos took out LT and the WHOLE MULTIVeRSE . Not just marvel .

Have to agree. There was no fight with Thanos, he simply absorbed every little thing at once with sufficient ease.

hotu so strong is can be call plot device, can't say the same about doom though

HOTU has better feats by a large margin.

So, BP enters the last page with an IG to challenge God Doom? So.......??

thanos