Hordak vs Darkseid

Current horrdak seems much stronger than his previous incarnation both physically and in the magic apartment but Darkseid omega beajs bust planets ajd he has a variety of other feats

@darklord_apoc: I reading the current heman series and heman vs dcu and I was a fan of the classic tvs series. I haven't picked up the recent issue of heman vs dcu but by the art it seems he will be facing the full force of the justice league and masters and yes I'm a horrdak fan he"s in my top 5 list and I know he has a few feats I'll try to find scans happy new year

@mikep12: Yes please and see if you can find any scans because I do not think there is a respect thread for him because he's not that popular yet..... @baltoro: Darkseid did that in the "Great Darkness Saga" we're going by current versions....

Darkseid blows up the planet

I doubt that will work because Hordak is stronger than He-Man

Has He-Man blown up a planet?

@darklord_apoc: Was the fight He-Man had with supes canon?

@darklord_apoc: Was the fight He-Man had with supes canon?

Darkseid blows up the planet

@darklord_apoc: Wait, which He-Man are we talking about here? The 1980's He-Man who fought Pre-Crisis Superman or New 52 He-Man?

The new 52 one is canon not the Pre crisis one...

@darklord_apoc: Hordak has basically nothing in the way of useful feats so far. He absorbed the souls of the millions of fallen soldiers in an ancient battle, but he only did that after they all killed each other, so it's not like he actually took out 2 million soldiers himself. He easily soloed Zodac, but we don't really know how strong Zodac is. Also, the events in the origin issue were from a million years in the past; since then, Hordak has apparently lost his physical body. We really have no idea how much he may have waxed or waned in the intervening million years.

I believe he vaporized Shadow Weaver, but that's about it, and I don't think there's any reason to believe she's innately tougher than anyone else without her magic protecting her.

As of now, I really see no reason to believe he could hang with Darkseid.

Also, some of your logic is a little faulty. I don't think we have any real proof that he is "far more powerful than Skeletor," and the Skeletor you're comparing him to is, I believe, greatly enhanced compared to his normal self (or at least, where Skeletor was when He-Man punched his jaw off). And the question of Superman's death is still somewhat unresolved; it is entirely possible it was some sort of simulacrum that He-Man stabbed, we just don't really know at this point. Even if it was the real Superman, I think it is pretty clear the reason he died is because He-Man has a magic sword, which means he can basically just bypass Superman's durability. And He-Man moving moons and the like is not from this continuity, but from the old cartoons.

@baltoro: Darkseid wins simply because he is more established. Who cares what Hordak can control? Darkseid has controlled billions of minds at once and he did this on multiple occasions. Hordak never performed feats of this level; except maybe in his sleep.

Actually Hordak is immortal in 2002 series and new 52 ,even if Darkseid kill Hordak (which he can't) Hordak spirit can attack Darkseid .King Grayskull kill Hordak in new 52 and 2002 series BUT STILL IN THE END HORDAK kill King Grayskull AND ATTACK Skeletor in his astral Astral projection And keep in mind that blasting planet and even universe means nothing when he can resist magic Reality Warping power example Kid Goku can beat Master Roshi hu can blast moon but lost against General Blue .General Blue beat kid goku with TP Kid Goku beat Master Roshi hu can blast moon but lost against General Blue hu never blast ever a mountain and he beat Capitan Ginyu in Frieza Saga in H2H hand-to-hand combat and in the end he lost beacuse Capitan Ginyu Possess Goku body with mystic force Projection Magic/TP.

Not to mention in new 52 Hordak use He/man blood to absorb He/man power from castle Grayskull and when Hordak absorb power of Grayskull Hordak has the power
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1.Babidi control Vegeta brains

2. Dabura Turns Piccolo and Krillin into a Statue

3 Buu Turns another people in chocolate

4 General Blue beat kid goku with TP

5 Capitan Ginyu Possess Goku body in Frieza Saga

superman destroyed a universe just by flying through it the spectre had to stop him from destroying it because he was flying too fast he /man is outclassed by superman

SA superman has more feats than escaped a stellar black hole

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Pre/crisic Superman destroyed a universe just by flying BUT HE CAN BE INJURED BU WONDER/WOMAN PUNCHES???Wonder/woman can trades punches with Pre/crisic superman????!!!!

and wonder/woman beat superman in fight,Superman can not fight MAGIC SPELS AND MAGICAL WEAPONS OFF /WONDER/WOMAN LASSO,HE ADMIT READ COMIC AND COMMENT

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wonder/woman never demonstrated that can survive planet busting attack or survive supernova but still beat Superman with lasso of truth

With 2 punches Sahzam beat Superman ,Superman hu can move solar sistem but Shazam beat him with 2 punches???????!!!!!!!!

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Earth's mass equals 5,973,600,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg. Moon's mass equals 73,477,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg. The latter doesn't even take up 1% of the Earth's mass (.0123%) .

Wonder Woman helped pull the Earth along with Superman and Martian Manhunter, two people who are within the same strength class as she is. Only they could be slightly stronger than She-Ra . Assuming that the three of them pulled more or less 1/3 of it's mass (in Wonder Woman's case, x ≤ 1/3), she would have to be pulling somewhere close to 1,991,200,000,000,000,000,000,000 kgs. If you compare that to the Moon's mass (divide), the Moon only takes up .0369% o
She-Ra MOVE MOON

In episodes in She/ra series "Loo-Kee Lends a Hand" Hordak stops time in the Whispering Woods and everyone was frozen in time He-man and She-ra move an object frozen in time, it is virtually impossible that sugeest that He/man and She/ra has no limit in strength, she as strong as he needs to be

in 16:25

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like i said using A-B logic means nothing

@baltoro Darkseid wins simply because he is more established. Who cares what Hordak can control? Darkseid has controlled billions of minds at once and he did this on multiple occasions. Hordak never performed feats of this level; except maybe in his sleep.

like i said using A-B logic means nothing

Hordak win beacuse he is immortal I doubt Darkseid can defeat King Grayskull when he used full power of Grayskull magic of Elders

in 13:29

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But the New 52 Darkseid is no chump. Although Darkseid had a string of jobbings a few years ago I think they are starting to restore him back toward those pre-crisis levels.

You know that Pre/crisic Superman is much more powerful than Pre/crisic Darkseid ?

Pre/crisic Superman

Superman has lived though supernova 50 times the bigger than a 10 octillion supernova and large planets colliding that had the force of 2400 10 octillion supernovas and Absorbed that anti sun Energy to destroy 1/2 the Galaxy.

yet again he lose against Post/crisic Skeletor

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In speed superman destroys reaching speeds in millions of times faster than light hulk has trouble hitting beings that could move Mach 610. He's also reached speeds trillions of times FTL.

yet again he lose against Post/crisic Skeletor

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Fighting capabilities superman has trained with multiple master fighter most notable wild cat"greatest boxier in the DCU" Wonder Woman f* ing batman and Mongul also he has mastered multiple Kryptonian fighting styles.

yet again Post/crisic Skeletor beats the shit out of Superman

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Other powers superman has far more Powers for me most noble phasing. He-man can't even do half of these things LOL

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IN Superman is moving at 6 octillion times light speed. His maximum speed is also his maximum fighting speed, so he can fight at this speed. This outclasses what Wally can fight at by a landslide, considering Wally's best speed feat was being able to fight 14 trillion times light speed.
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yet again Post/crisic Skeletor beats the shit out of Superman

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Superman's been proven to fight from at least 8x to 50x FTL in-combat - this is due to him punching Wonder Woman from the Sun to Earth in less than 2 minutes, even though it seemed to take her seconds:

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yet again Post/crisic Skeletor beats the shit out of Superman

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skeletor beat superman again and solo justice legue

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superman has lived though supernova 50 times the bigger than a 10 octillion supernova and large planets colliding that had the force of 2400 10 octillion supernovas and Absorbed that anti sun Energy to destroy 1/2 the Galaxy.

O REALY BUT HE/MAN or skeletor WIL TURN SUEPRMAN IN FLOWER AND ROCK ,WHAT IS WEAKNESS OF SUPERMAN...I just remembered....MAGIC YES MAGIC

Superman weaknesses

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Magic: While not so much an actual weakness (some would argue this is more of a vulnerability), Superman's powers, as great as they might be, are the result of a natural phenomenon, not supernatural. As a result, he is affected by most forms of sorcery in the same way as any mortal.[41][42] In several stories, it has been shown that magical/mythical creatures, such as demons, vampires, werewolves and many others, are actually capable of injuring and wearing him down. Though it is also shown that no magic can directly destroy him (not, at least, unless it comes from a divine or semi-divine force), implying that at least a portion of his invulnerability is capable of protecting him, his magical enemies have often proven to be the most dangerous.

magic can directly destroy him not, at least unless it comes from a divine or semi-divine force)

A WAHT IS semi-divine force I forgot YES THE POWER OF GRAISKYLL

can Darkseid resist magic of Skeletor or Hordak . Skeletor can turn superman in Statue and He/man can turn superman in flower

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He/man can turn superman in flower

He/man can turn superman in flower

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@darklord_apoc: Hordak has basically nothing in the way of useful feats so far. He absorbed the souls of the millions of fallen soldiers in an ancient battle, but he only did that after they all killed each other, so it's not like he actually took out 2 million soldiers himself. He easily soloed Zodac, but we don't really know how strong Zodac is. Also, the events in the origin issue were from a million years in the past; since then, Hordak has apparently lost his physical body. We really have no idea how much he may have waxed or waned in the intervening million years.

I believe he vaporized Shadow Weaver, but that's about it, and I don't think there's any reason to believe she's innately tougher than anyone else without her magic protecting her.

As of now, I really see no reason to believe he could hang with Darkseid.

Also, some of your logic is a little faulty. I don't think we have any real proof that he is "far more powerful than Skeletor," and the Skeletor you're comparing him to is, I believe, greatly enhanced compared to his normal self (or at least, where Skeletor was when He-Man punched his jaw off). And the question of Superman's death is still somewhat unresolved; it is entirely possible it was some sort of simulacrum that He-Man stabbed, we just don't really know at this point. Even if it was the real Superman, I think it is pretty clear the reason he died is because He-Man has a magic sword, which means he can basically just bypass Superman's durability. And He-Man moving moons and the like is not from this continuity, but from the old cartoons.