Homunculi (FMAB) vs The Servants (Fate/Zero)

The 7 Homunculi from FMA Brotherhood go up against the 7 Servants from Fate/Zero.

Win by death or KO

Everyone is in character

No one will attack any of their own team

No knowledge

No prep

Fight takes place on and around the Golden Gate Bridge

The Servants have no Masters, but still have enough mana

Which team do you think would win and why?

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@arathorn_ii:

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Saber solos via single use of excalaiber

Giglimish solos

Rider poientaily solos

Beserker could solo IIRC

Assasins takes wrath easy and is a neucence for the rest

@cjdavis103: Hello, I do not agree. Lust could be a real match, so does Wrath, concidering Assassin doesn't have much feats. Pride is very strong, Greed has his Ultimate Shield. Envy is gigantic, Sloth is super strong and fast. Gluttony has his Fake Portal of Truth. On top of all that, they all heal a lot and only Lancer can negate that. The Servants will have a hard time.

@arathorn_ii:

three words

One Shot, Excalibur

@cjdavis103: That's nice and all, but in the time she charges that, Wrath could've killed her, Pride could've killed her, Sloth could've killed her, Lust could've killed her, Gluttony could've killed her and maybe greed could've killed her. Envy could protect against an attack like that and that one shot would only kill Wrath if it hit him.

@arathorn_ii:

all she has to say is Excalibur the rest of the charge up is our werid pereption

oh and how pray tell to they get past this

or F*cking EA

oh and rider LOL Solos

Endless army of servents >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Entire FMA universe ( minus father )

@arathorn_ii

Oh and just to show off at this point

Can the FMA team fly?

@cjdavis103: She takes quite some time to charge up. She used it twice and both times she took long enough for most Homunculi to kill her. Gate of Babylon doesn't really have much feats. It killed on Assassin by suprise. Nearly killed Rider who was running in a straight line towards him and Berserker could easily handle it, and Wrath for example is much faster and agile than Berserker. Besides, the Homunculi still have an amazing healing factor. EA isn't really impressive as well. And Rider has a time (or stamina) limit at which he can use his Ionian Heitaroi, so the Homunculi just have to sit it out with their skills and healing. Gluttony could eat them, Greed has Ultimate Shield, Wrath speedblitzes, Lust has Ultimate Spear, Envy is gigantic, Pride is amazingly strong, Sloth is strong and fast.

@arathorn_ii:

She takes quite some time to charge up. She used it twice and both times she took long enough for most Homunculi to kill her.

With the rest of the servants covering her no

Gate of Babylon doesn't really have much feats.

You must have missed the barrage of nobel phantoms the super magic jets and more he pulls out just for fun

nd Wrath for example is much faster and agile than Berserker. Besides, the Homunculi still have an amazing healing factor.

But he is nowherare near as strong or skilled and even with the healing factor they still get stalled long enough for Saber to say exliber and destroy them on an atomic level

EA isn't really impressive as well

ANTI- F*&^king WORLD overkill

. And Rider has a time (or stamina) limit at which he can use his Ionian Heitaroi, so the Homunculi just have to sit it out with their skills and healing. Gluttony could eat them, Greed has Ultimate Shield, Wrath speedblitzes, Lust has Ultimate Spear, Envy is gigantic, Pride is amazingly strong, Sloth is strong and fast.

they are all servants meaning they are all equal to the Homuniculi in stats ( or surpassing them) they will all have to fight for their lives and use up their stone power sources . and even with the time limit that's more than enough time for saber to fire off Exclaiber and wipe them all of the face of the earth

and they still can't fly

@arathorn_ii: @cjdavis103: Saber doesn't need to charge Excalibur like that every time. She can fire it instantly. The reason she took so long to charge the one in question is because she needed the extra power to defeat Caster (who was amped)

Servants take this. I don't think any of them solos but I don't think it would take all of them to get the job done either. The only real problems I see for the Servants are Gluttony and Pride but Lancer's abilities might be able to get the job done there.

None of the servants is as fast as Wrath or Sloth, can withstand the fake Portal of Truth by Gluttony, can actually stop Greed if he really wants to get to her and Pride's shadows could easily strike her as well.

There wasn't much more comming out of it, except a bottle of wine maybe.

Even if they get destroyed, they can regenerate, as seen with Lust.

True, but not usable when allies are near, or any who can speedblitz Gilgamesh before he can activate it (It took him about two minutes to unleash it's attack)

None of the servants surpasses Wrath in speed and agility (Saber and Lancer might stand a small chance). Lust in attack, think of her Ultimate Spear (Would be fun to see Lancer and Lust falling in love with eachother xD). Sloth in endurance and defence (he tanked through a shot from a tank). Pride's stats of attack, using his shadows. Greed's in defense, think of his Ultimate Shield. Envy in defense (In his gigantic form). And Gluttony also still has his Fake Portal of Truth. It's not a matter to wait till they run out of their stone, because Greed needed to be killed over 15 times and even then he wasn't permanently dead. Envy needed to be blasted with fire a lot of times as well, and none of the servants will give them such a hard time.

@arathorn_ii:

None of the servants is as fast as Wrath or Sloth

they are calculated in the hyper sonic range (low hyper sonic but hypersonic) and they have precog considering peak humans can keep up with the Homunculii there speed is not an issue oh and most servants have ranks in precog

can withstand the fake Portal of Truth by Gluttony

and no one on the homunculus team can take a hit from a nobel phanto and walk away oh and before i forget lancer's spear makes healing impossible so Lancer can solo by stabing them each in the head ( they would expect to heal from it insted they would drop dead

can actually stop Greed if he really wants to get to her

Beserker would like to have a word with you and he has a Sign that says stop that has been enhanced to Nobel phantom levels

and Pride's shadows could easily strike her as well.

Yes because his shadow s can go where there are no shadows and can bypass her magical Resistance while protecting himself

There wasn't much more comming out of it, except a bottle of wine maybe.

Sigh he has more weapons then all of the FMA verse put together and he can shoot them like a god damn machine gun that stops everyone on the FMA team right there

Even if they get destroyed, they can regenerate, as seen with Lust.

From an atomic level with their stones destroyed ? Bull

Oh and with lancer they stay dead

True, but not usable when allies are near, or any who can speedblitz Gilgamesh before he can activate it (It took him about two minutes to unleash it's attack)

They can chill out with him a few Thousand feet in the air drinking wine while he nukes the crap out of them it's not like they can reach him on his magic jet

None of the servants surpasses Wrath in speed and agility (Saber and Lancer might stand a small chance)

Bull shit peak humans beat him

Lust in attack

Not even remotely true

Sloth in endurance and defence (he tanked through a shot from a tank)

That's cute tank shots are peanuts when compared to the weapons of a servant

Modern weapons ( not include nukes or capital weapons) are classified as D rank even the weakest noble phantom is classived as C rank

Pride's stats of attack, using his shadows

Shadows they Might be able to kill a single assassin the rest will bitch slap them away

Greed's in defense, think of his Ultimate Shield

Thinking.... Any nobel weapon can cut though him like a Lightsaber though butter

nvy in defense (In his gigantic form

Half the people here specialize in monster killing that's a big ass easy target and a unlimited number of servants can over whelm her in less than a second

And Gluttony also still has his Fake Portal of Truth

and he can't hit a single one of them as normal humans have doged it

It's not a matter to wait till they run out of their stone, because Greed needed to be killed over 15 times and even then he wasn't permanently dead. Envy needed to be blasted with fire a lot of times as well, and none of the servants will give them such a hard time.

so about 20 times till dead? easy enough seeing as Lancer has weapons that stop their healing factor their durability can't stop a single hit from the servants and they can be obliterated from exstaince from Ea and Exclaiber . they will waste all their healing on Rider's nobel phantom while the servants chill out on gig's air ship drinking wine and swapping war stores

@cjdavis103: with Prana Brust Saber is mach15+ calc'd. That's not low hyper, that's high hyper (hyper starts at 5)

@fallschirmjager:

Base Speed not burst speed

@cjdavis103:

I'm kinda starting to doubt we've seen the same anime, because I can't remember that being stated anywhere.

Actually, maybe Wrath can't, but all others can. And Lancer's spear makes the cut unable to heal, not killing them. That way Greed would've been dead because his head got smashed off.

Greed should be able to take Berserker and possibly avoid him if he needs to get through to Saber.

Actually, he can do all that.

Uuhm, yeah, I know. I saw the anime. What I said was that it didn't show much feats. He really didn't kill anyone with it and it had incredibly poor aim, otherwise he would've one-shotted Rider.

Not sure if the Stone can be destroyed without Alchemy or wearing out it's power. And as long as the stone is intact, they can regenerate.

You remember I said it takes about two minutes to get to that attack, right? On his own, against 7 Homunculi, he doesn't stand a chance.

Show me something that puts one of the Servants above Wrath.

Uuhm, Lust has the Ultimate Spear that pierces through everything. And she has 10 of them. Every Servant can be killed with a single stab (Assassin needs more of course).

Show me a servant casually tanking a tank shell or something better.

Sure, because that was also so very easy with the weapons Archer shot at one, or the regular spears the army of Rider threw at them.

Impossible, Greed's Ultimate Shield is an Absolute Defense, meaning no attack could get through it (unless you use alchemy).

Yes, that's why saber had to save the day against caster's giant creature. And I never said Envy in his giant form couldn't be taken down, I said he had better defense (though I maybe should've said endurance).

Yet the Servants haven't shown any agility skills that put them above the highly trained humans, with exception maybe of Berserker.

There isn't really any specific number. Sloth was killed only after a few times, but Gluttony withstood more than 30 deaths. Lancer's spear is good, but actually all it does is making a cut that won't draw any energy from the stone. And Rider's Noble Phantasm isn't all that good, concidering that Envy could just shapeshift and backstab Rider. All other Homunculi could wait out that long, easily.

Gilgamesh Solos

Gilgamesh so... *facepalm*

He couldn't even hit Berserker and wrath much more agile. He also can't breach Greed's Ultimate Shield and there's much more why he can't solo.

@arathorn_ii: Oh boy, i take it you have only seen the FZ anime? Guess what? It's only an adaption of the canon source which is from the visual novel & the light novel. In both of these, it have been stated that Servants fight so fast that they become invisible to the human eye.

Saber have exchanged hundreds of blows with Lancer in an instant & it have been shown that she only required 1-2 sec to charge & fire Excalibur.

Strenght

A nerfed Saber have exchanged blows with the son of Zeus Hercules a.k.a Berserker who have busted a building with only one swing of his sword.

21:00 - 26:00

Keep in mind that this is nerfed Saber who even had trouble existing because of her broken link with the master.

Speed

2:20 - 6:10

In this video, we see Saber temporarily regain her full power thanks to the command spell. She crosses 4000 m under 1 sec while avoiding a homing Mach 10 magical arrow mid-air and blitz Archer.

Durability

00.00 - 1:18

This is probably Saber's best durability feat. Here she tanks a low output of Enuma Elish for a brief moment.

Rider tries to blitz her on every direction possible but to no avail. This is Saber Alter version so her strenght increase but her speed decrease.

Here's just a list of Saber's abilities.

As it's said in the chart. Saber noble phantasm invisible air coats the Excalibur with magic, change the retraction of light and makes it *invisible*.Her enemies will have a hard time to judge its range while fighting Saber.Honestly, she outclass them all in stat & skill.

@arathorn_ii: Yea he just takes out Ea and it's all over gates of babylon aren't even needed.

@theorder14: Well, yeah, I know there is a lot more, but I tried to stick with Fate/Zero, that's why it says ''Fate/Zero'' in the titel. Seemed pretty obvious to me.

@arathorn_ii:

I'm kinda starting to doubt we've seen the same anime, because I can't remember that being stated anywhere.

Calculated not said out loud and in bursts they go up to mach 15

Actually, maybe Wrath can't, but all others can. And Lancer's spear makes the cut unable to heal, not killing them. That way Greed would've been dead because his head got smashed off.

so lancer can kill them because they can't heal that's my point

Greed should be able to take Berserker and possibly avoid him if he needs to get through to Saber.

Greed or greed ling only has barely above peak human stats his only real skill is durablity Beserker can Bitch slap him away with no real effort then procced to beat him with his own arm untill satisfied Greed is not geting past beserker an he sure as hell is not beating him

Actually, he can do all that.

Show me feats

Uuhm, yeah, I know. I saw the anime. What I said was that it didn't show much feats. He really didn't kill anyone with it and it had incredibly poor aim, otherwise he would've one-shotted Rider.

He curbed assassin, one shoted caster ( same Gilgamesh) and is generally acknowledged as the strongest heroic spirit hell he took down Beserker of the fifth grail war by himself many times over if he can do that the Hommunicli are not even worthy of dieing at his feet

Oh he did not hit a hypersonic target who has pecog and can go up to mach 15 that is such a low feat ( saracasu in case you could not tell)

Not sure if the Stone can be destroyed without Alchemy or wearing out it's power. And as long as the stone is intact, they can regenerate.

It can be

You remember I said it takes about two minutes to get to that attack, right? On his own, against 7 Homunculi, he doesn't stand a chance.

MAGIC JET 7,000 FEET IN THE AIR HOW ARE THEY GONNA HIT HIM?

Show me something that puts one of the Servants above Wrath.

n this video, we see Saber temporarily regain her full power thanks to the command spell. She crosses 4000 m under 1 sec while avoiding a homing Mach 10 magical arrow mid-air and blitz Archer who have a low lvl clairvoyance ability.

think wrath can do that?

Uuhm, Lust has the Ultimate Spear that pierces through everything. And she has 10 of them. Every Servant can be killed with a single stab (Assassin needs more of course).

what has his spear pieced though? has she hit targets that move at hypersonic speed? is there any reason they can't just bitch slap her spears out of the way? even takeing a spear to the heart will not stop them all of the time

hell even clothing has regen ( an this is a depowered saber)

Show me a servant casually tanking a tank shell or something better.

Sure Caster's spells are equated to a bombing raid entire city blocks are being decimated as side efects from there battles

Impossible, Greed's Ultimate Shield is an Absolute Defense, meaning no attack could get through it (unless you use alchemy).

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLL

OH god that is the most moronic sentience i have ever seen

so Greed can tank a Sun going off in his face? how about a balck hole? how about Galctus crushing him?

You really want to say his shield is impossible to bypass? if you say yes you are either a troll or the most idiotic moron on the face of the earth

Yet the Servants haven't shown any agility skills that put them above the highly trained humans, with exception maybe of Berserker.

You have showed zero feats for the FMA team at all

There isn't really any specific number. Sloth was killed only after a few times, but Gluttony withstood more than 30 deaths. Lancer's spear is good, but actually all it does is making a cut that won't draw any energy from the stone. And Rider's Noble Phantasm isn't all that good, concidering that Envy could just shapeshift and backstab Rider. All other Homunculi could wait out that long, easily.

a few million servants are more than enough to multi task while swamping the FMA guys Rider can solo adding in the rest makes this an epic stomp

You have yet to provide a counter for Gig just geting on his Magic jet and nukeing them from above

@arathorn_ii: Gee, Fate Zero is also a light novel & that's the canon source.

@cjdavis103: Okay, well, I tried to stay with only Fate/Zero actually, that's why it said ''Fate/Zero'' in the titel. I guess it's partially my fault for not explaining enough, but it's just Fate/Zero.

That might be your point, but what you said was: ''so Lancer can solo by stabing them each in the head ( they would expect to heal from it insted they would drop dead'' Implying that a simple stab would be enough.

Berserker doesn't have enough feats to put him above Greed in agility.

Sorry for the mirrored stuff, this shows him clearly moving where no shadows are. You can also see he has enough shadow-thingies to block and attack and magic resistance doesn't matter since this isn't magic.

He caught Assassin off guard. He didn't engage Caster. But I guess most of this is from another Fate, so see what I said above.

If you say so

Honestly, it's quite easy to dodge anything shot from 7000 feet up in the air, so he needs to face them at one time.

Okay, see my first statement.

Again, see first statement.

I guess this is another Caster?

Actually, look up the definition of an ''Absolute Defense'' and go to a list containing characters with an Absolute Defense.

Because you never asked for any

Again shapeshifting. They also have no strategy at all, so it's just slice slice slice by Lust, Pride and Wrath and the others have a high enough defense. And Gluttony eats them all.

@theorder14: Well, yeah, I know there is a lot more, but I tried to stick with Fate/Zero, that's why it says ''Fate/Zero'' in the titel. Seemed pretty obvious to me.

@arathorn_ii:

Actually, look up the definition of an ''Absolute Defense'' and go to a list containing characters with an Absolute Defense.

Oh god your serious

Yeah I'm done here

@arathorn_ii: Apparently, u don't get what i mean. Fate Zero is also a light novel. That's the canon material & the anime is the adaption of it. You can't rly cut off the light novel & just use the anime.

Here's the quote of the FZ Saber vs Lancer fight. The very same fight from the FZ anime

Here, it describes Irisviel was unable to perceive the fight between the Servants & only saw their trail of destruction.

In the anime, it wouldn't be much fun if we the audience can't see their movements & that's why it kept showing us lots of slow motions.

Don't both this guy thinks that Greed an tank everything because his name is "absolute defense"

@cjdavis103: Lol, rly? I guess i'll just leave him alone then. It's clear he have no idea what he's talking about.

Any one of the 3 kings can solo, hell Gilgamesh can solo both teams at the same time if he wants too

@arathorn_ii:

Greed has no Absolute Defense for unsheathed Excalibur and definitely not for Ea which can rip a hole in space. Most of the servants are too much for most of the Homunculi.

servants are far more impressive, they take this. not by a long shot though

@immortalteknique: just stop he's trolling

what the hell is this thread

@theorder14: That might be my fault then. I probably should've clarified that further.

@cjdavis103: Actually, if you had any knowledge about stuff, you would know an Absolute Attack should be able to break through, but not with max power. Real mature way to deal with a discussion btw.

Greed's ultimate shield is as strong as diamond. It has been stated multiple times and the only way to bypass it is to use alchemy to cancel the shield. btw some people seem to forget they need to kill hommunculi multiple times for permanent death. They also have extreme regen that losing an arm will not count as a death but still regenerate.

You should understand Greed's power is not absolutist defense, Garra is called the abslout defense but his sheildd can be beat as an example

Greed's power is using carbon to make a hard shell at absoulout best his durability is diamond hard and is actally much less durable

Unless you can provide proof that greed's power allows him to take ANYattack you can't say he has an absolutist defense Prove to me that greed's power is as limitless as you claim

moreover if you think the Homuniculi stomp then why the hell did you make the theard ?

Saber solos

@cjdavis103: Well, the feats that Greed has is that no one has ever pierced hid Ultimate Shield, without turning it into something weaker using alchemy, and I don't think Saber has ever hit anything as durable as Greed's shield, though you can argue that Saber's Excaliber attack is an absolute attack.

And I don't think the Homunculi stomp, in fact, I think the Servants have a real good shot.

Servents lose this

@arathorn_ii:

, the feats that Greed has is that no one has ever pierced hid Ultimate Shield,

Bullets and rocks<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Nobel phantoms

you don't have the feats to prove abulout defnse what you are trying to debate is a NLF but that is flawed as he only describes it as hardened carbon there is nothing unbreakable about it

Lets define Absolute defence o you can get i thouge your skull

The user possesses defense that cannot be breached by any attack, giving them protection from all attacks, regardless of types, magnitude and directions.

Meaning by definition Greed's power s not absolute defense as it can be breached

How FMA can't hit a flying target they get swarmed by an unlimited numbr of servents , and both excaliber and Ea can one ot all of them

and I don't think Saber has ever hit anything as durable as Greed's shield

How about a Giant monster the size of a F*&îng skyscraper

Hell she can cut Herakles who can no sell everything under A rank nobel phantoms ( keep in mind high caliber modern weapons don't even qualify as D rank ) in a far weaker body

greed just requires that the servants hit a little harder

though you can argue that Saber's Excaliber attack is an absolute attack.

Let me define Absolute attack so you cet your terms strigeht

User can create/use attacks that cannot be blocked, reduced, negated or deflected by any means, defenses, armor and immunity. This ability is not dependent on physical factors like strength, but is instead based on the properties of the attack.

Excalabr is an energy attack an attack of sufficient power can defeat it

Technically Servants don't even really need Lancer to keep the Hommunculi down all they have to do is cause enough damage that their regeneration can't keep up causing them to use up all the energy in their Philosopher's Stones and Lancer, Saber, Gilgamesh, Beserker, Rider, and maybe even Caster are all capable of that.

@cjdavis103:

I totally meant Win this Sorry I'm doing multiple debats right now post are mixed up.

Nothing stops Gluttony from just eating them all with his fake gate of truth and no normal human ever dodge it. They ran into the woods for cover, Mustang & Hawkeye ran into their car and drove away while Gluttony was in the woods looking for them.

Greeds skin is as hard as diamond. Lusts spear is said to be able to cut through diamonds, Sloth can use his speed and strength to his advantage, Wrath has dodged bullets (plural) from machine guns, and cut down 5 people in an instant, defeated an armoured tank, cut a missile (lauched at him) in half an moved away before it could explode.

Wrath wasnt defeated by peak humans, he was defeated by Buccanear (a soldier the size of a bear), Fuu (a ninja who outran bullets from two mashine guns), Greed-Ling (a ninja homunculus with regen & diamond hard skin)and then Scar (an alchemist with the ability to destroy/decompose anything/anyone just by touching them) after using alchemy (which damaged his body) to force Mustang to perform human transmutation. Envy dies easily.

@a1l_s2a3m4e5n:

Nothing stops Gluttony from just eating them all with his fake gate of truth and no normal human ever dodge it. They ran into the woods for cover, Mustang & Hawkeye ran into their car and drove away while Gluttony was in the woods looking for them.

Fact remains that Peak humans and below peak humans avoided him Servants could walk on their hands fast enough to doge Gluttony

Greeds skin is as hard as diamond.

Diamonds can be cut and Nobel Phantoms>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..Earthly materail

Lusts spear is said to be able to cut through diamonds,

Has she taged hypersonic targets because if i recall she could not kill a single peak human

Sloth can use his speed and strength to his advantage

Not enough to even come close to a servant in eiter hell Assassin could hold his own

Wrath has dodged bullets (plural) from machine guns

That's cute

Guns, while deadly to humans, are not a threat to Servants no matter their firing speed or the size of caliber of the bullets. They are capable of evading them without difficulty, and some even have the skills necessary to deflect shots back with their weapons.

Its still not enough to permanently put down team homunculi.

@a1l_s2a3m4e5n:

Greed can not tank Ea with his skin. Notice in the video below (turn on the captions) the boy asks if Gilgamesh's weapon was anti-world and capable of destroying all creation also notice how it rips holes in the sky.

Shooting fire killed one of them another was killed by a big rock spear

they can kill them repeatedly over and over and over again hell Rider can just LOL summon his army to have them solo the Homunculi with zero difficulty

Exclaber would detroy themall and their stones so they can't regen

Ea could do even worse

Lancer negates their heailing

Giglimish can kill them with the gates or use Enkidu to bind them in place for easy kills

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