Hogwarts vs Jedi Acadamy

hogwarts students wins

force wins this

"force wins this "

" @(((Prodigy))): You do realise that we're talking about Padawans. Not Initiates. A padawan has already fledged him/herself a member of the Jedi Academy and has taken on a Master Jedi. A Padawan's abilities far outweight that of a young Hogwarts student, Slytherin or not.     "

" @cpt_linger said:

" @(((Prodigy))): You do realise that we're talking about Padawans. Not Initiates. A padawan has already fledged him/herself a member of the Jedi Academy and has taken on a Master Jedi. A Padawan's abilities far outweight that of a young Hogwarts student, Slytherin or not.     "

I thought we were talking about Initiates. OP says Jedi Academy students vs. Hogwart's students. "

" @Malonius said:

" @cpt_linger said:

" @(((Prodigy))): You do realise that we're talking about Padawans. Not Initiates. A padawan has already fledged him/herself a member of the Jedi Academy and has taken on a Master Jedi. A Padawan's abilities far outweight that of a young Hogwarts student, Slytherin or not.     "

I thought we were talking about Initiates. OP says Jedi Academy students vs. Hogwart's students. "

A Padawan is not a student? "

" @cpt_linger said:

" @Malonius said:

" @cpt_linger said:

" @(((Prodigy))): You do realise that we're talking about Padawans. Not Initiates. A padawan has already fledged him/herself a member of the Jedi Academy and has taken on a Master Jedi. A Padawan's abilities far outweight that of a young Hogwarts student, Slytherin or not.     "

I thought we were talking about Initiates. OP says Jedi Academy students vs. Hogwart's students. "

A Padawan is not a student? "

A Padawan has passed the Initiate Trials...essentially they've graduated into an apprenticeship with a Jedi Knight or Master.
 http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi_Initiate_Trials "

Hogwart's has something similar. After a student completes there NEWT's at the end of 7th year they begin a job specific apprenticeship. They have to get certain NEWT's to qualify for apprenticeships. Harry was talking about this with McGonnagal about what it takes to become an Auror I think in book 5.

this has evolved into quite a good debate...but I still think the precognition give the jedi kids or whatever we're supposed to call them a definitive advantage, not enough to take a majority but definitely enough to make firing into the crowd less effective than has been pointed out by others...

" this has evolved into quite a good debate...but I still think the precognition give the jedi kids or whatever we're supposed to call them a definitive advantage, not enough to take a majority but definitely enough to make firing into the crowd less effective than has been pointed out by others... "

harry potter solos.

younglings = early year wizards < innitiaites < later year wizards < padawans < wizards < jedi knights < harry, dumbledore & voldi =  jedi masters < yoda < palps < luke = anakin (full potential) < tlitony and friends <  shaft (not to be confused with mace though they look alike)  < the force < toaa = presence = mom = mr.t = chuck norris
 
Just my 2 cents

" @(((Prodigy))): well correct me if I'm worng but isn't it the use of precognition that allows them to block laser beams? And aren't those traveling at light speed? I'd think most of the magic would need to follow a similar path as the lasers..."

" @(((Prodigy))): well correct me if I'm worng but isn't it the use of precognition that allows them to block laser beams? And aren't those traveling at light speed? I'd think most of the magic would need to follow a similar path as the lasers..."

Two words:
Avada Kedavra

"The initiates of the Jedi academy are training to become soldiers of the Republic. What is a student at Hogwarts for? "

I get where  (((Prodigy))) is coming from. Magic ought to be more versatile and powerful than the force in the right hands. I would say for instance:
5 best students at Hogwarts > 5 best students at the Jedi Academy for the majority
5 Order of the Phoenix members > 5 Jedi Knights for the majority
Even Dumbledore > Yoda the majority of the time
 
,but the difference is that the vast majority of witches and wizards seem to live quiet lives in the country with boring bureaucratic jobs at the Ministry of Magic. Aurors are understood to be exceptional at magic. Just look at the way 1000's of witches and wizards panicked at the Quidditch World Cup when a few Death Eaters showed up. 
 
All Jedi, on the other hand, are trained to be lethal warriors and to keep their heads in a fight. As soon as one Jedi teenager gets in the midst of the Hogwart's kids and starts decapitating and severing limbs with their light saber, the witches and wizard students are going to start firing spells randomly into their own midst.  Jedi kids figure out the wand thing they'll pull them right out of the Hogwart's kids hands with the Force, it's pretty much all over for Hogwart's students.
 
There's no "stun" setting on a light saber.  Jedi Academy takes the majority.
 
p.s. In Phantom Menace, Qui Gon states that Anakin seems to have such good reflexes allowing to compete in pod races, but that it's not actually Anakins reflexes...it's the Force guiding his movements subconsciously.

"Two words:
Avada Kedavra"

First-off, laser blasts are around the speed of bullets. Some may think they're not cause we see blasts while not see bullets. In truth you only don't see bullets cause they're not illuminating. I think we best compare the blasters with trace bullets.
 
@Malonius said:

" 5 best students at Hogwarts > 5 best students at the Jedi Academy for the majority5 Order of the Phoenix members > 5 Jedi Knights for the majority Even Dumbledore > Yoda"

Just look at the way 1000's of witches and wizards panicked at the Quidditch World Cup when a few Death Eaters showed up.   

All Jedi, on the other hand, are trained to be lethal warriors and to keep their heads in a fight. As soon as one Jedi teenager gets in the midst of the Hogwart's kids and starts decapitating and severing limbs with their light saber, the witches and wizard students are going to start firing spells randomly into their own midst.   

There's no "stun" setting on a light saber.  

One word 
Ligthsaber  

Four words: Lightsabers won't block magic.    "

@Malonius said:

" 5 best students at Hogwarts > 5 best students at the Jedi Academy for the majority5 Order of the Phoenix members > 5 Jedi Knights for the majority Even Dumbledore > Yoda"

I believe Jedi Masters (or at least Jedi council members) > Order of the Phoenix > Jedi Knights. Plus how did you come to the conclusion that Dumbledore > Yoda? I disagree with this but I am open for arguments. "

" @Malonius: G-Cannon then. If we talk S-Cannon (EU), then Yoda has got more feats (or potential as I would base my feats on the measure of S-Cannon Palps). He was a step below the Emperor and Dooku said that if Yoda was a Sith, he'd have powers to beat Sidious, who in EU was the strongest Sith ever. With Force Storms and the likes. "

" @(((Prodigy))): 
Well, first-off, apart from the midiclorian BS, the force is far from a science-based thing. So it deflecting force lightning and such is almost proof that it could deal with paranormal forces (in terms of our world). Force and magic may be completely different things but then again, maybe they could be the same. Again to say that it can or cannot deal with magic is indeterminate.

As for sorcery, here's a wiki page. It's the best I could give right now. I'll try to give more credible sources (official handbooks) when available.
  http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sith_magic   I wish JediXman or Silver were here. They could explain it better. "

" @(((Prodigy))): Midiclorians are BS because we had the nigh pantheist form of the Force being spiritual and all and Lucas dropped some microorganisms about it.. Just plain BS on my end. Could be branded PIS if only Lucas, the be-all and end-all of Starwars, was not the one that introduced it.  You have a right to your opinion on the Force and magic. I, on the other hand, am on the other side.. :D "

" @ssejllenrad said:

" @(((Prodigy))): Midiclorians are BS because we had the nigh pantheist form of the Force being spiritual and all and Lucas dropped some microorganisms about it.. Just plain BS on my end. Could be branded PIS if only Lucas, the be-all and end-all of Starwars, was not the one that introduced it.  You have a right to your opinion on the Force and magic. I, on the other hand, am on the other side.. :D "

At the very least, perhaps we can agree that training lightsabers can not stop magic, as they are far less powerful than regular lightsabers? "

They should unite to make light saber wands.

" @(((Prodigy))) said:

" @ssejllenrad said:

" @(((Prodigy))): Midiclorians are BS because we had the nigh pantheist form of the Force being spiritual and all and Lucas dropped some microorganisms about it.. Just plain BS on my end. Could be branded PIS if only Lucas, the be-all and end-all of Starwars, was not the one that introduced it.  You have a right to your opinion on the Force and magic. I, on the other hand, am on the other side.. :D "

At the very least, perhaps we can agree that training lightsabers can not stop magic, as they are far less powerful than regular lightsabers? "

Yup! Especially the wooden ones.. hehe! Though if we're not restricted to initiates only then regular lightsabres are also included here due to Padawans. "

7th Year Hogwarts students can be pretty skilled.

I like the nature of the Force vs. the nature of magic debate, but I don't think it would matter very much in a battle until you got to the Dumbledore vs. Yoda or Voldemort vs. Emperor level. 
 
I assumed the lightsabers were full powered per the way I read the OP. It makes sense that kids in the Jedi Academy wouldn't have full powered lightsabers, though. It would change the nature of this battle IMO.
 
I agree that even full powered lightsabers wouldn't deflect spells, but they still might take the brunt of a spell as any other material object would. Dumbledore had a statue jump between him and a killing curse in HP5. I'm counting on Jedi reflexes dodging straight line spells, not lightsaber deflections in my scenario.
 
Cheers!

It all depends who the Jedi and who the magic users are.

Jedi easily. though I don't think this is quiet fair, as in an interview with JKR, though I can't say which one at the moment, she said that a muggle with a shotgun could kill voldemort. wizard magic has  
 
incredible potential to do many things in combat, but the wizards are not creative 9 times out of 10. nor are they trained for combat as those in the academy are. 
 
though I can't source the interview, I found it being talked about Here: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MugglesDoItBetter

 
If that statement is true, then Jedi students win with ease.

"In a fight between a Muggle with a shotgun and a wizard with a wand, the Muggle will win."    was the actual quote. so not voldemort maybe, though even then... 
 

" "In a fight between a Muggle with a shotgun and a wizard with a wand, the Muggle will win."    was the actual quote. so not voldemort maybe, though even then...   "

@malonius: Right, that is why they got Defence Against DArk Atys, and what a paceful life they students have

Wouldn't the Jedi just blitz? And any spells sent their way they will just see in slow motion

this is lukes academy at what time? are anakin jaina and jacen still there?