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#1 Edited by Sci_Fi_Rulez (1059 posts) - - Show Bio

vs

RULES

- Fight takes place on in Manhattan,NY

- Both are armed with one pistol,one grenade and the rest is standard gear from both films

- Fight to the death

- Morals on

-One day prep

-Hand to Hand combat

Who wins

#2 Posted by CrimsonCake (2677 posts) - - Show Bio

Hit girl,she showed a lot of impressive feats.

#3 Edited by Sci_Fi_Rulez (1059 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump

#4 Posted by Magethor (1054 posts) - - Show Bio

Hit Girl is too skilled.

#5 Posted by never give up (9565 posts) - - Show Bio

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#6 Posted by goblin123 (133 posts) - - Show Bio

Hit Girl OWNS Catwoman by shooting her up or cutting her up and then says over her dead body... ''What a lame ass costume.''

#7 Posted by JediXMan (30348 posts) - - Show Bio

I haven't seen Kickass, but from what I've read, Hit-Girl is used to fighting thugs; Catwoman was capable of doing battle with Bane's extremely skilled soldiers. I'm going to hold off for now, but I'm leaning toward Selena.

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#8 Posted by ImmortalOne (3379 posts) - - Show Bio

@goblin123 said:

Hit Girl OWNS Catwoman by shooting her up or cutting her up and then says over her dead body... ''What a lame ass costume.''

Hit Girl's costume is worse than Catwoman's... I mean, seriously? Purple leather with a tiny cape and a plaid skirt?

#9 Posted by Kovak (748 posts) - - Show Bio

The one time Hit-Girl went up against a skilled opponent, she got stomped.

Catwoman was dealing with highly skilled soldiers.

#10 Posted by PsychoJack (174 posts) - - Show Bio

Most likely Catwoman

#11 Posted by Joygirl (19484 posts) - - Show Bio

TurboTot FTW. Does she get her Darth Maul naginata?

#12 Posted by AllStarSuperman (21753 posts) - - Show Bio

Hit girl stomps movie Catwoman

#13 Posted by goblin123 (133 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kovak:

Hit Girl shoots Catwoman up... She knows how to do head shots you can't deny that. Movie Catwoman's got nothing to do with firearms and there's no proof she can dodge...

Movie Catwoman wasn't all that impressive. Oh... and those ''skilled henchmen'' of Bane's? Yeah those skilled henchmen with AKs and other automatic firearms who couldn't hit more than five policemen when 30+ policemen were rushing straight at them in a crowd close together... SOOO skilled....

#14 Posted by Kovak (748 posts) - - Show Bio

@goblin123: The thing is, Hit-Girl specialises in running straight at her enemy with her guns. Selina was confronted with that strategy already and took the gun off the person who attempted it.

#15 Posted by goblin123 (133 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kovak:

But the person she managed to take the gun away from doesn't have the outrageous skill and headshot count of Hit Girl right?

Hit Girl may opt to run straight at her enemies gun blazing but when she does that she has been shown in the movie to be able to dodge bullets, get headshots flawlessly, and jump around all over the place all at once.

However, that's not always the strategy she opts to use. She can be tactical too... for example attacking the henchmen in the warehouse by first turning off the lights and then using night vision goggles + blinding flash device.

All in all, Hit Girl just seems too fast and too skilled with the guns.

Again, aside from beating a few thugs in hand to hand combat (something Hit Girl has done too), Catwoman's got nothing. The very skill of Bane's henchmen is in question when they fail to mow down an army of cops with machine guns when the cops are charging straight at them in a tight-nit formation. They only showed THREE cops falling down out of the 30+. Bane's men had ASSAULT RIFLES (I think even my brother and I in that situation could have hit more cops than they did... all it takes it a switch to single mode if you can't shoot that well on automatic).

#16 Posted by Video_Martian (5645 posts) - - Show Bio

Hit-Girl. No contest.

#17 Posted by Kovak (748 posts) - - Show Bio

@goblin123: Outrageous skill? Now you're tripping.

#18 Posted by ImmortalOne (3379 posts) - - Show Bio

@goblin123 said:

@Kovak:

Hit Girl shoots Catwoman up... She knows how to do head shots you can't deny that. Movie Catwoman's got nothing to do with firearms and there's no proof she can dodge...

Movie Catwoman wasn't all that impressive. Oh... and those ''skilled henchmen'' of Bane's? Yeah those skilled henchmen with AKs and other automatic firearms who couldn't hit more than five policemen when 30+ policemen were rushing straight at them in a crowd close together... SOOO skilled....

I wasn't supporting either side...

#19 Posted by Xanni15 (6758 posts) - - Show Bio

Selina stomps, HG is out of her league.

#20 Posted by Sci_Fi_Rulez (1059 posts) - - Show Bio

BUMP

#21 Posted by goblin123 (133 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kovak said:

@goblin123: Outrageous skill? Now you're tripping.

Forgive me for ''tripping'' but the LAST time I checked a normal person can't run straight at a dozen + guys with guns, keep firing two handguns continuously, dodge bullets by cricking your neck and jumping around on and off bookshelves and get perfect headshots/hits all at the same time.

Indeed... I don't think it's going too far to say that a person (especially a pre-adolescent girl) capable of such a feat deserves the label of having ''outrageous skill.''

Where is movie Catwoman's ''outrageous skill?'' All she did in the movie was beat up a few thugs in hand to hand combat... THAT's IT.

Movie HG is way above Catwoman's level... and since guns are allowed and Catwoman hasn't even used a single hand-held firearm in the entire movie... HG logically would win.

#22 Posted by goblin123 (133 posts) - - Show Bio

@Xanni15 said:

Selina stomps, HG is out of her league.

Only in terms of stealing things without getting detected, having second thoughts about her goals, and seduction perhaps...

In gun skills? Selina does not stomp.

In fighting skills with blades? Selena does not stomp.

In speed and capability to dodge bullets? Selena does not stomp.

Even in terms of manipulation and combat tactics HG may well be above her level. I mean she dressed up as a school girl to infiltrate a building... took out the lights and then used night vision to get the drop on enemies...

#23 Posted by Xanni15 (6758 posts) - - Show Bio

@goblin123: And yet as Kovak has said, she had trouble with a non-fodder enemy.

#24 Posted by goblin123 (133 posts) - - Show Bio

@Xanni15:

Doesn't really prove that much...

I mean Catwoman herself has never even faced a SINGLE non-fodder enemy in the film in a fair fight (unless you count cheating against Bane).

In fact, the movie seemed to stress Catwoman's skills as a manipulator and thief. We really didn't get many scenes where she kicked anyone at all.

Hit Girl has at least shown herself to be capable of fighting a non-fodder enemy. Catwoman wasn't even included in a major fight anywhere in the movie against a non-fodder enemy (perhaps she was only worthy of fighting thugs).

If you count total kills, HG kills at least ten times over the number of people Catwoman has killed/incapacitated and with TOTAL ease.

#25 Posted by NeonGameWave (7712 posts) - - Show Bio

Catwoman.

#26 Posted by Xanni15 (6758 posts) - - Show Bio

@goblin123:

It actually does.

So? The one time Hit-Girl faced a non fodder opponent she needed outside help to win, or we can call it cheating. Catwoman did however have little difficulty facing multiple supposed highly skilled enemies. Batman stated that they were no ordinary street thugs.

Hit-girl has more action scenes, I'll give you that.

She showed that she was capable of getting her butt kicked. lol Or perhaps the climax of the movie was reserved for the mian character (Batman).

Irrelevant, total kills have no bearing on this fight.

#27 Posted by goblin123 (133 posts) - - Show Bio

@Xanni15:

When Hit Girl rushes at Catwoman and fires her two handguns continuously with pinpoint accuracy...

err... what is Catwoman (based on her feats in the movie) SUPPOSED to do?

I'll tell you... she will fall. Fact of the matter is, Catwoman has no feats in terms of gun battles and so we can't just assume she can dodge bullets and shoot with pinpoint accuracy (those two things on the other hand, ARE in Hit Girl's movie feats department).

Plus when Hit Girl fought the non-fodder opponent, she was not in top form. She was a bit exhausted from the fight with the thugs outside AND she didn't have all of her best equipment (handguns with clips, double blade etc). So it doesn't count for much and you should already be impressed that she could hold out for so long. PLUS, we have no idea how powerful that mob boss was relative to people in Nolan's universe (for all we know, he could be a lot more powerful than the people Catwoman faced... I mean, he seemed to know martial arts).

Which non-fodder enemy did Catwoman face and fight really well against?

Again I don't see the point with the non-fodder enemies. Let me ask you this... when Hit Girl has her guns and moves as fast as she does in the film... what on earth can Catwoman do?

#28 Posted by Guardiandevil83 (5524 posts) - - Show Bio

@Xanni15 said:

@goblin123:

It actually does.

So? The one time Hit-Girl faced a non fodder opponent she needed outside help to win, or we can call it cheating. Catwoman did however have little difficulty facing multiple supposed highly skilled enemies. Batman stated that they were no ordinary street thugs.

Hit-girl has more action scenes, I'll give you that.

She showed that she was capable of getting her butt kicked. lol Or perhaps the climax of the movie was reserved for the mian character (Batman).

Irrelevant, total kills have no bearing on this fight.

For skilled opponents they sure had trouble with a Batman who hadn't been active in over seven years, and who was taught the same things. And a Cat Burglar who probably studied Karate at the Y.

#29 Posted by goblin123 (133 posts) - - Show Bio

@Guardiandevil83 said:

@Xanni15 said:

@goblin123:

It actually does.

So? The one time Hit-Girl faced a non fodder opponent she needed outside help to win, or we can call it cheating. Catwoman did however have little difficulty facing multiple supposed highly skilled enemies. Batman stated that they were no ordinary street thugs.

Hit-girl has more action scenes, I'll give you that.

She showed that she was capable of getting her butt kicked. lol Or perhaps the climax of the movie was reserved for the mian character (Batman).

Irrelevant, total kills have no bearing on this fight.

For skilled opponents they sure had trouble with a Batman who hadn't been active in over seven years, and who was taught the same things. And a Cat Burglar who probably studied Karate at the Y.

They also had trouble breaking apart a mob of 30+ police men rushing straight at them in broad daylight in a tight nit formation when they (the thugs) had AK-47s and other automatic firearms at their disposal. They only hit 3 people before the gap was closed?

A team of child soldiers could have performed better...

Seriously... calling Bane's henchmen anything but fodder units is stretching things.

#30 Posted by bloggerboy (556 posts) - - Show Bio

Catwoman fought Bane's mercenaries, survived in a war zone and killed Bane. HG kicked butt as well but needed Kickass' help against the mob boss.

#31 Posted by Guardiandevil83 (5524 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm thinking the bat-bias plays a part in this. Hit-Girl does to Salina what she did to that chick in the apartment. Or the cops show up...but when Salina cries to them for help, the tears are real.

#32 Posted by goblin123 (133 posts) - - Show Bio

@bloggerboy said:

Catwoman fought Bane's mercenaries, survived in a war zone and killed Bane. HG kicked butt as well but needed Kickass' help against the mob boss.

Still doesn't negate the fact that from what we saw of both characters on the screen, HG moved way faster and demonstrated outrageous skill with guns.

Catwoman has not demonstrated skill with guns and she has not demonstrated skill at dodging bullets (HG on the other hand, has). So in a fight... what will Catwoman do against Hit Girl's guns?

When a character doesn't shoot with pinpoint accuracy and dodge bullets in a movie... you have to assume that they can't do it unless shown or implied otherwise. Therefore, it has to be assumed that Catwoman cannot shoot with pinpoint accuracy and cannot dodge bullets.

Hit Girl on the other hand... CAN.

And once again... the mob boss thing? So?

Where's the evidence that Catwoman wouldn't have also needed Kick-Ass' help to win against that very same mob boss? Where's the evidence Catwoman would even have MADE IT to that fight in the first place (get past a corridor with a dozen people armed with guns... last time I checked, she can't move as fast as Hit Girl or shoot as accurately)? Where's the proof that Catwoman would have done BETTER if she were in HG's shoes in that same fight (or that she would have survived a battle against lots and lots of guns)?

And like I've stressed, Catwoman didn't even face one decent non-fodder enemy in the entire movie in a fair fight...

Catwoman ''killed Bane.'' That's misleading and you know why...

#33 Posted by Sci_Fi_Rulez (1059 posts) - - Show Bio

@Xanni15 said:

@goblin123:

It actually does.

So? The one time Hit-Girl faced a non fodder opponent she needed outside help to win, or we can call it cheating. Catwoman did however have little difficulty facing multiple supposed highly skilled enemies. Batman stated that they were no ordinary street thugs.

Hit-girl has more action scenes, I'll give you that.

She showed that she was capable of getting her butt kicked. lol Or perhaps the climax of the movie was reserved for the mian character (Batman).

Irrelevant, total kills have no bearing on this fight.

"lol Or perhaps the climax of the movie was reserved for the mian character (Batman)."Same can be said here,the directors wanted kick ass to kill frank not hit girl that's why she took a beating cos its his movie and he's the main character so its the main characters job to kill the main villain,She dodged bullets while shooting them in the head with pin point accuracy and she looked well experience with weapons that she was equipped with,Catwoman didn't really show anything that impressive in tdkr..

#34 Posted by dondave (36587 posts) - - Show Bio

Hit-Girl

#35 Posted by 7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning (3578 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends which Catwoman.

  • If it's Hathaway; No, she would lose.
  • If it Barry; Maybe.
  • If it's Phifer; I think she can. She was like a zombie anyways.
#36 Posted by turoksonofstone (13199 posts) - - Show Bio

@goblin123 said:

Hit Girl OWNS Catwoman by shooting her up or cutting her up and then says over her dead body... ''What a lame ass costume.''

precisely.

#37 Posted by theONEtaichou (1521 posts) - - Show Bio

@turoksonofstone said:

@goblin123 said:

Hit Girl OWNS Catwoman by shooting her up or cutting her up and then says over her dead body... ''What a lame ass costume.''

precisely.

I concur

#38 Edited by drgnx (3562 posts) - - Show Bio

@goblin123 said:

@Guardiandevil83 said:

@Xanni15 said:

@goblin123:

It actually does.

So? The one time Hit-Girl faced a non fodder opponent she needed outside help to win, or we can call it cheating. Catwoman did however have little difficulty facing multiple supposed highly skilled enemies. Batman stated that they were no ordinary street thugs.

Hit-girl has more action scenes, I'll give you that.

She showed that she was capable of getting her butt kicked. lol Or perhaps the climax of the movie was reserved for the mian character (Batman).

Irrelevant, total kills have no bearing on this fight.

For skilled opponents they sure had trouble with a Batman who hadn't been active in over seven years, and who was taught the same things. And a Cat Burglar who probably studied Karate at the Y.

They also had trouble breaking apart a mob of 30+ police men rushing straight at them in broad daylight in a tight nit formation when they (the thugs) had AK-47s and other automatic firearms at their disposal. They only hit 3 people before the gap was closed?

A team of child soldiers could have performed better...

Seriously... calling Bane's henchmen anything but fodder units is stretching things.

The League was hiring/enlisting people from Gotham to bolster its numbers such as the boys from the home, don't be surprised if some of the guards in the final big fight were criminals they released. If the cops were trapped, and guarded by like a dozen men, but were a bigger threat, than the people, I can't imagine them needing all their best guys to guard someone with a trigger to the nuke.

#39 Edited by Guardiandevil83 (5524 posts) - - Show Bio

@drgnx said:

@goblin123 said:

@Guardiandevil83 said:

@Xanni15 said:

@goblin123:

It actually does.

So? The one time Hit-Girl faced a non fodder opponent she needed outside help to win, or we can call it cheating. Catwoman did however have little difficulty facing multiple supposed highly skilled enemies. Batman stated that they were no ordinary street thugs.

Hit-girl has more action scenes, I'll give you that.

She showed that she was capable of getting her butt kicked. lol Or perhaps the climax of the movie was reserved for the mian character (Batman).

Irrelevant, total kills have no bearing on this fight.

For skilled opponents they sure had trouble with a Batman who hadn't been active in over seven years, and who was taught the same things. And a Cat Burglar who probably studied Karate at the Y.

They also had trouble breaking apart a mob of 30+ police men rushing straight at them in broad daylight in a tight nit formation when they (the thugs) had AK-47s and other automatic firearms at their disposal. They only hit 3 people before the gap was closed?

A team of child soldiers could have performed better...

Seriously... calling Bane's henchmen anything but fodder units is stretching things.

The League was hiring/enlisting people from Gotham to bolster its numbers such as the boys from the home, don't be surprised if some of the guards in the final big fight were criminals they released. If the cops were trapped, and guarded by like a dozen men, but were a bigger threat, than the people, I can't imagine them needing all their best guys to guard someone with a trigger to the nuke.

Actually that is an excellent point, and I forgot about the missing boys, and didn't even think about the escaped cons, so great points. I can imagine those boy's as young solider's fresh out on the field of combat. First timers usually get shook, so I can imagine them freaking a bit. I know I would if a six foot something dude dressed as a bat came running at me from out of the shadows. They may have been trained, but briefly. Just enough skill to get the job done. Considering nobody had ever seen Batman at that point. The stories told about him might have been terrifying. I can imagine some of those kids thinking he was a Vampire. So I'll give you that.

But I still hold my belief, that while bigger and stronger. Hit-Girl can and will beat Catwoman. Hit-Girl is still faster and I believe, better trained in combat. Salina is a Cat Burglar who probably only trained to deal with problems on the job. Other then that her entire criminal career is based on elusiveness and stealth, and would need not require her to be a Grand Master. Hit-Girl on the other hand was trained to kill people. That's all she was trained to do. Not all as in she didn't learn computers, how to pick locks, ect. Because I'm pretty sure she was, no I just mean that as far as combat (which is what this is) she was trained to kill her opponent. She will murder Salina like she as everyone else. Because while Frank beat her, she was angry at the time, and possibly not as focused fighting him, as she was on not being stopped to get to him. Either way she can kill Salina in three different way's. By Knife, Gun, or Spear. Salina may be stronger, but with weapons like knives and guns, the fight won't matter. Also Mindy is a weapons specialist, not really a h2h fighter. Her Father mostly taught her guns and blades, so I will admit h2h Salina may beat her. She was out of weapons for most of her fight with Frank. But it wont get to that, Mindy either caps the btch or pokes her a$$ up. Hit-Girl with weapons Catwoman without.

#40 Posted by texasdeathmatch (13171 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediXMan said:

I haven't seen Kickass, but from what I've read, Hit-Girl is used to fighting thugs; Catwoman was capable of doing battle with Bane's extremely skilled soldiers. I'm going to hold off for now, but I'm leaning toward Selena.

Eh, I don't think they were that skilled or bright. For one, they decided to charge into H2H into that wave of cops instead of using their guns. 
 
Anyways, I'm going with Hit-Girl. Faster, capable of dodging bullets, and just simply far deadlier. Espeically if she gets her blades.
#41 Edited by drgnx (3562 posts) - - Show Bio

@Guardiandevil83:

Its cool, I'm not saying I think Catwomen wins, just thought I'd point out the issue with the guards. (and those guys who brought Gordon to Bane, must have been newbs too)

Selina really didn't do much in the movie.

  1. She beat up a cripple
  2. Disarmed some no-name VP of a company...twice .. though she did shoot his buddy in the process
  3. She roughed up an untrained CEO
  4. Got saved by Batman on a building
  5. Jumped some suit from behind while he was trying to get his wallet back
  6. Acted as a decoy/distraction for batman, on their way to bane
  7. Beat up 2 teens who were trying to get their apple back from a kid
  8. Shot Bane with the bat-bike cannons when he wasn't looking
#42 Posted by ImBoredLetsDebate (480 posts) - - Show Bio

Nobody beats my Queen Chloe Moretz

Hit-Girl wins

#43 Posted by Xanni15 (6758 posts) - - Show Bio

@drgnx said:

@Guardiandevil83:

Its cool, I'm not saying I think Catwomen wins, just thought I'd point out the issue with the guards.

Selina really didn't do much in the movie.

  1. She beat up a cripple
  2. Disarmed some no-name VP of a company...twice .. though she did shoot his buddy in the process
  3. She roughed up an untrained CEO
  4. Got saved by Batman on a building
  5. Jumped some suit from behind while he was trying to get his wallet back
  6. Acted as a decoy/distraction for batman, on their way to bane
  7. Beat up 2 teens who were trying to get their apple back from a kid
  8. Shot Bane with the bat-bike cannons when he wasn't looking

While she was supposedly getting saved by Batman she also kicked the crap out of a few people, not to mention her stealth and IIRC one shot-ing one of Bane's goons.

#44 Posted by GodDamnIronMan (1553 posts) - - Show Bio

@JediXMan said:

I haven't seen Kickass, but from what I've read, Hit-Girl is used to fighting thugs; Catwoman was capable of doing battle with Bane's extremely skilled soldiers. I'm going to hold off for now, but I'm leaning toward Selena.

I believe the Selena you said is from comics...and this is Anne's CatWoman...and she didn't fight Bane in the movie (even if she does, movie Bane is no where near the comics ver.)...Hit-girl on the other hand, has shown better feats in fighting crime.

#45 Edited by drgnx (3562 posts) - - Show Bio

@Xanni15 said:

@drgnx said:

@Guardiandevil83:

Its cool, I'm not saying I think Catwomen wins, just thought I'd point out the issue with the guards.

Selina really didn't do much in the movie.

  1. She beat up a cripple
  2. Disarmed some no-name VP of a company...twice .. though she did shoot his buddy in the process
  3. She roughed up an untrained CEO
  4. Got saved by Batman on a building
  5. Jumped some suit from behind while he was trying to get his wallet back
  6. Acted as a decoy/distraction for batman, on their way to bane
  7. Beat up 2 teens who were trying to get their apple back from a kid
  8. Shot Bane with the bat-bike cannons when he wasn't looking

While she was supposedly getting saved by Batman she also kicked the crap out of a few people, not to mention her stealth and IIRC one shot-ing one of Bane's goons.

Batman was on the roof making them crap their pants, her other one-shots required her to ambush people who she was supposed to be allied with, in one case while one of them was running from Batman, in, the other, while they had their attention on Bruce and Fox, I mean her best showings all seem to have Bruce or Batman close by ... (its like having a blue lantern stand next to a green lantern or something)

Updated

Selina really didn't do much in the movie.

  1. She beat up a cripple
  2. Disarmed some no-name VP of a company...twice .. though she did shoot his buddy in the process
  3. She roughed up an untrained CEO
  4. Got saved by Batman on a building
  5. Jumped some suit from behind while he was trying to get his wallet back
  6. Acted as a decoy/distraction for batman, on their way to bane, and managed to one-shot a guy with a kick to the face by hiding around a corner and attacking him while he ran away from Batman
  7. Beat up 2 teens who were trying to get their apple back from a kid
  8. Took out 2 of Banes men by feigning allegiance attacking them from behind and catching them off guard while they were focused on Bruce and Fox
  9. Shot Bane with the bat-bike cannons when he wasn't looking

Also, not sure about her stealth skills.

  1. She got caught by Bruce (who actually sneaked up on her)
  2. She got caught the non-name VP after ambushing his boss (who actually sneaked up on her)
  3. She got caught by 2 cops at the air-port on 2 separate occasions (both actually caught her off guard)
  4. Her other interactions with Bane's team was under the guise of allegiance
  5. Her ability to sneak up on Bane on the Bat-bike is a testament to Bruce and Fox ingenuity
#46 Posted by JediXMan (30348 posts) - - Show Bio

@GodDamnIronMan said:

@JediXMan said:

I haven't seen Kickass, but from what I've read, Hit-Girl is used to fighting thugs; Catwoman was capable of doing battle with Bane's extremely skilled soldiers. I'm going to hold off for now, but I'm leaning toward Selena.

I believe the Selena you said is from comics...and this is Anne's CatWoman...and she didn't fight Bane in the movie (even if she does, movie Bane is no where near the comics ver.)...Hit-girl on the other hand, has shown better feats in fighting crime.

No, I meant the movie version.

... when did I ever say she fought Bane?

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#47 Posted by GodOfMischief (641 posts) - - Show Bio

Film version of Hit-Girl stomps.

She was capable of dodging bullets while taking thugs down at the same time.

#48 Posted by Pfcoolio15 (309 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kovak: Well wasn't that dude in a machine gun jetpack

#49 Posted by lukas12 (199 posts) - - Show Bio

Hit-Girl stomps

#50 Posted by dondave (36587 posts) - - Show Bio

Mindy